QueenZone discussion #913395
Brian May or Jimmy Page
| deleted user 15.11.2006 21:11 |
Between Brian May and Jimmy Page who do you think has the most ablility? I find them both to be immensly talented but I think Brian uses his talent more. Jimmy sticks with blues most of the time. What do you think. |
| mircal 15.11.2006 21:12 |
iLOVEFREDDiEMERCURY wrote: Between Brian May and Jimmy Page who do you think has the most ablility? I find them both to be immensly talented but I think Brian uses his talent more. Jimmy sticks with blues most of the time. What do you think.I would say Brian.... Thats not any reflection on Page at all.... But Brian has flexed his talent allot more... i think any way. |
| Dan C. 15.11.2006 23:15 |
I've never really been too big on Zep or it's members. Nothing against them really, just not for me. I'll go for Brian. |
| mike hunt 16.11.2006 01:32 |
that's a bit silly to ask such a question on queenzone. Of course more people are gonna say brian, as I do, but on a zep site or even a general rock n roll site more rock fans would say jimmy page is a a better guitarist and is a top 3 best in rock history. |
| paintball 16.11.2006 03:24 |
jimmy sounds sloppy live..., but mike hunt is right |
| M a t i a s M a y 16.11.2006 03:47 |
Jimmy Page can't play to save his shitty life, he sucks. |
| maxpower 16.11.2006 06:17 |
have a word jimmy page is shit? take the Queen blinkers off apart from his playing he is a excellent producer too |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 16.11.2006 06:25 |
Though I love Led Zep... And respect Jimmy Page, I'd have to go with Brian May. =] |
| [ Wybren™ ] 16.11.2006 07:49 |
Dan Corson II: The Revenge! wrote: I've never really been too big on Zep or it's members. Nothing against them really, just not for me. I'll go for Brian.I think John Bonham was a fab drummer, listen to 'Achilles Last Stand' and you know what I'm talking about. He's more improvising when playing live than Roger for example. The style of both Brian and Jimmy is very different. So it's too hard to choose. |
| Bob-Plant 16.11.2006 09:01 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: Jimmy Page can't play to save his shitty life, he sucks.Sould I assume you're just saying that to get a rise out of people? If not, you are sadly mistaken. At one time, Jimmy Page was probably the best guitar player alive, even better than Clapton. Both his ability & inventiveness, combined with the talent of his band mates helped him do things no one else could have even dreamed of. Having said that, I do feel that Jimmy really stopped getting better as a player by the end of LZ (1980) and both his song writing and actual playing deteriorated as the years have gone by. He has still shown occasional flashes of brilliance, but they seem to be far few between as the years go by. Brian has always been a good player and continued to grow and try new sounds as Queen developed. After Freddie passed and Brian did solo work, while not neccessarily continuing to grow, neither his skills nor his talent have diminished. In sum, at his best-Jimmy Page, currently-Brian. Is that a cop-out answer? |
| Dan C. 16.11.2006 09:18 |
[ Wybren™ ] wrote:I never said any of them were bad, just that I didn't care much for them.Dan Corson II: The Revenge! wrote: I've never really been too big on Zep or it's members. Nothing against them really, just not for me. I'll go for Brian.I think John Bonham was a fab drummer, listen to 'Achilles Last Stand' and you know what I'm talking about. He's more improvising when playing live than Roger for example. The style of both Brian and Jimmy is very different. So it's too hard to choose. |
| NJQueenFan 16.11.2006 10:20 |
I'd just say they're both great, and play different styles so you really cant call one better than the other. |
| Oszmercury 16.11.2006 10:35 |
In history books, Jimbo Page is the man, i think that Page created a sound, and style, and you can hear that influence on Brian's playin, so, i go for Page. |
| john bodega 16.11.2006 10:59 |
"Jimmy Page can't play to save his shitty life, he sucks. " Haha, funny. But seriously - are we to judge ourselves by our worst examples? If I were to categorise Jimmy Page by the worst playing I've ever seen him do (which was for the 1988 Atlantic Record's shindig) then yes. I'd agree with you. But he's done a lot better than that. Judging guitarists by their worst performances is stupid. Do we pick on Matiasmay here for his version of Bijou where the intonation on the B string is flatter than a 12 year old girl's chest?? No! We don't, because he's probably done better than that. In summation: Kindly look through the catalogue of Led Zeppelin - there's some good bits in there; not all of it was a drunken stupour. |
| Drowse1 16.11.2006 11:46 |
They are both great players but both have their own styles. Naturally I prefer Brian as Queen are my fave band but I couldn't seperate them as regards talent. I think Jimi Hendrix and Jeff Beck are the best 2 guitar players I have ever heard skill wise but Brian is still my fave over all. |
| The Real Wizard 16.11.2006 11:57 |
Bob-Plant wrote: At one time, Jimmy Page was probably the best guitar player alive, even better than Clapton.I hope you're talking exclusively about rock guitarists, because there were country, jazz, and other non-mainstream players who could destroy Page even in his prime. While he was a great player, he was only playing major and pentatonic scales - but creatively. Jazz players of his time (and any time) could play circles around him. Page was a rock player, so he happened to be in the mainstream, which gave him his popularity. Most people don't look beyond the mainstream for quality music, and so they are blinded by the mainstream, and think it contains all the quality music out there. Of course, they're far off the mark, as players like Jeff Beck and Frank Zappa, both of whom were around when Page was at his peak, and were always far better players. Speed does not equal quality (and Page was often a very sloppy player, even in his best days). That aside, I'll still disagree with Page being even the best rock guitarist. He never could top Hendrix, and by the time Hendrix died, Steve Howe joined Yes, who is a far better player. I do feel that Jimmy really stopped getting better as a player by the end of LZ (1980) and both his song writing and actual playing deteriorated as the years have gone by.Page was doing the drugs by 75, and his playing suffered horribly. The good Zeppelin concerts became more and more rare from then onward. His playing was at its peak in 72-73. |
| M a t i a s M a y 16.11.2006 12:38 |
I repeat Page is a crappy guitar player come on guys, you could of said STEVE HOWE, ROBERT FRIPP but JIMMY PAGE?? :/ he's shit |
| BHM1775 16.11.2006 12:39 |
You may as well ask, which is best, an orange or an apple. |
| Gone. 16.11.2006 12:41 |
Jimmy Page is awesome. But I <3 me Brian. Jimmy < Brian. :D |
| Micrówave 16.11.2006 12:55 |
maxpower wrote: have a word jimmy page is shit? take the Queen blinkers off apart from his playing he is a excellent producer tooI must "half" disagree with you. I always hated the production on the Zeppelin albums, just didn't like the sound. But that's a personal opinion. The fact that Jimmy produced 'em all is clear proof of his greatness. Not only did he invent stuff on the guitar (like Brian), but he's produced many albums since the Zeppelin days. Now if you're comparing Outrider to Back To The Light, then Brian wins hands down. |
| 7 seas of Rhye 16.11.2006 13:22 |
Jimmy Page is incredible but I love Brian more. Brian is just so smart..and cute...and adorable...mmm....*sigh*...I'm going to stop that now. Anyway, I like Brian's style and sound better than Jimmy's. But they're still both amazing. |
| mattsmith 16.11.2006 13:41 |
Mattias May, to me you seem to be full of shit! Anyone who says that ANY PROFESSIONAL musician with such immense talent is shit, must have some screws loose or is actually joking. And I dont think that you are joking. Jimmy paige is a multi millionnaire because of his talent combined with the rest of Led Zep. How about you post a sensible comment or reply when you can actually recognise what talent is!! Moaning over. Matt |
| Legy 16.11.2006 14:10 |
It's like comparing apples and oranges. I like them both, they're both great, I just happen to like oranges a little more. Of course, Brian is the orange. |
| teleman 16.11.2006 14:14 |
Ace Frehley topped polls in Circus magazine in the 70s so he must be better than Brian May and Jimmy Page. Brian May was fantastic in the context of Queen and Page was perfect in the context of Zep. I doubt either would have been as good in the other's shoes. As others have pointed out there were/are other guitarists in other music styles, and within rock, who are technically better. |
| M a t i a s M a y 16.11.2006 16:02 |
mattsmith wrote: Mattias May, to me you seem to be full of shit! Anyone who says that ANY PROFESSIONAL musician with such immense talent is shit, must have some screws loose or is actually joking. And I dont think that you are joking. Jimmy paige is a multi millionnaire because of his talent combined with the rest of Led Zep. How about you post a sensible comment or reply when you can actually recognise what talent is!! Moaning over. Mattshut up, you cunt Page is shit he is a multi millionaire because of cunts like you |
| sara310 16.11.2006 16:18 |
Hmm...They are both my favorite guitarists, but Brian puts such great emotion into his music...so I say Brian :) |
| Poo, again 16.11.2006 16:23 |
What a stupid question to ask at a Queen fansite. |
| mattsmith 16.11.2006 17:33 |
Ooh, Mattias, touched a nerve did I?? Its a shame that you have to use obscene language to get your point across. But i suppose that is because you dont know many words in english. Page is talented and you cannot accept that. |
| BRYCE THE TROLL 16.11.2006 17:35 |
i think kyle gass is best guitar player in world just kidding, but seriously Brian. fuck jimmy page. |
| M a t i a s M a y 16.11.2006 20:46 |
mattsmith wrote: Ooh, Mattias, touched a nerve did I?? Its a shame that you have to use obscene language to get your point across. But i suppose that is because you dont know many words in english. Page is talented and you cannot accept that.I'm not MaTTias, you little shit. You don't even fucking know how to write. Jimmy Page is the worst guitar player ever. And you're a stupid moron that thinks he's one of the best |
| john bodega 16.11.2006 21:12 |
"Jimmy Page is the worst guitar player ever." I don't think anyone was claiming that he was the best... and if they were, they're full of rocks. But he ain't the worst. Go look up those guys from Oasis... |
| M a t i a s M a y 16.11.2006 23:00 |
But there's a difference between playing easy things and playing things you just can't play. Jimmy Page can't play his own songs, and they're easy as shit |
| user name 16.11.2006 23:47 |
If Jimmy's stuff is as easy as learning to ride a bike, then I would say that Brian's stuff is as easy as learning to walk. But the real point is, how easy or difficult or simple or complex a player's works are has no bearing on whether or not one should like or value it. Some people like Jimmy, some people like Brian, some people - like me - like both of them. And some people don't even like either of them. As to the topic: When it comes to music, ability is a subjective idea that many people like to pretend can be objectively measured. Music is what sounds good. This can be done with all the scales in the world, or just a few notes. It can be done at lightning fast speeds, or at speeds surpassed by tortoises. Etc. |
| alibat 17.11.2006 04:24 |
Both! Both fantastic but different. However, if I was judging both of them in their prime I would say both are as good as each other, today I think Brian plays better. I don't think either play as well as they did in the heyday of Queen/Zep but Jimmy's playing has deterioated more(all the high living of the 70s finally catching up with him?). Anyone who thinks JP is crap however and always has been has no idea. Just accept he's not to your taste and move on. There are people I admire technically but I don't like their music. Just get over it. |
| Bob-Plant 17.11.2006 08:12 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Yes, I was considering only rock guitarists. One could name better players in specific styles (Clapton/blues, Beck/fusion/ Van Halen/speed, Clarke/jazz etc.), or even players so technically talented (like Steve Howe) but I really can't think of anyone who could do all of them as well as Page, and of course his song writing ability in most cases (ratio of good-to-bad) buries most everybody (our Brian being an exception).Bob-Plant wrote: At one time, Jimmy Page was probably the best guitar player alive, even better than Clapton.I hope you're talking exclusively about rock guitarists, because there were country, jazz, and other non-mainstream players who could destroy Page even in his prime. While he was a great player, he was only playing major and pentatonic scales - but creatively. Jazz players of his time (and any time) could play circles around him. Page was a rock player, so he happened to be in the mainstream, which gave him his popularity. Most people don't look beyond the mainstream for quality music, and so they are blinded by the mainstream, and think it contains all the quality music out there. Of course, they're far off the mark, as players like Jeff Beck and Frank Zappa, both of whom were around when Page was at his peak, and were always far better players. Speed does not equal quality (and Page was often a very sloppy player, even in his best days). That aside, I'll still disagree with Page being even the best rock guitarist. He never could top Hendrix, and by the time Hendrix died, Steve Howe joined Yes, who is a far better player.I do feel that Jimmy really stopped getting better as a player by the end of LZ (1980) and both his song writing and actual playing deteriorated as the years have gone by.Page was doing the drugs by 75, and his playing suffered horribly. The good Zeppelin concerts became more and more rare from then onward. His playing was at its peak in 72-73. The problem, obviously, is that there is no "best", because it's all so subjective. I would not dispute the general consensus that Hnedrix is "the best", but he is not my favorite. Same thing with bands-the Beatles would have to be the greatest band ever, but there not my favorite, you know? |
| Bob-Plant 17.11.2006 08:15 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: But there's a difference between playing easy things and playing things you just can't play. Jimmy Page can't play his own songs, and they're easy as shitWhy the rancor directed at Page? You don't have to like him or Zeppelin, but it seems almost personal... |
| M a t i a s M a y 17.11.2006 09:58 |
I just don't like when a poor musician is considered to be a musical genious. |
| Bob-Plant 17.11.2006 15:53 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: I just don't like when a poor musician is considered to be a musical genious.Understandable, I guess, if that's the way you feel. Though I really like Zeppelin, I'll be the first to admit that the one criticism that can not be argued with is that he is a "sloppy" player. I still like him though. |
| Drowse1 17.11.2006 16:40 |
I was talking about rock guitarists myself. The best guitarist I ever heard was Jimi Hendrix but other styles had great guitar players too. Robert Johnson was a great blues guitar player as was B B King. Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson were geat country guitar players. The list is endless. |
| quicksilver mercury 17.11.2006 16:48 |
MatiaMay think he are sooo good to insult great Jimmy Page but MatiasMay not so good on youtube link |
| M a t i a s M a y 17.11.2006 20:47 |
no, I don't think I'm so good I think HE is NOT good which is different :) BTW, Led Zep has one hell of a drummer, an awesome singer and an excellent bass player, but Page sucks. |
| Gone. 17.11.2006 21:15 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: no, I don't think I'm so good I think HE is NOT good which is different :) BTW, Led Zep has one hell of a drummer, an awesome singer and an excellent bass player, but Page sucks.John Bonham = God. lol =P |
| redspecial85 17.11.2006 22:04 |
I can't elaborate enough on how many arguments I've had with people over this. Okay...Page had an influence on Brian...but mind you he was just an influence. Page is one of the all-time great riff writers, but even in his prime he was never better than Brian May. Jimmy Page in my opinion was a damn good guitarist...but, as other people have already stated; the drugs killed his songwriting and playing ability. I've never been that big of a Jimmy Page fan...because I've heard a lot of very similar riffs played by old bluesmen like Son House, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Robert Johnson, etc...his style was unique however because he fused british blues and rock 'n roll with middle eastern modes. None of his stuff was ever all that complex. Brian May's stuff on the other hand...listen to Good Company, Brighton Rock, and the Prophet's Song, and at least another 6 or 7 songs; and clearly Brian again puts Jimmy to shame. I like Jimmy Page's style and playing...however I feel he is so grossly overrated for his musicianship. People are stupid enough to confuse a guitarist's influence with their talent. The two greatest talents in Led Zeppelin were John Bonham and John Paul Jones. Jimmy Page and Robert Plant comprise one of the greatest songwriting teams of all time, but that doesn't automatically dub them the most talented people in the group. When it comes to really saying who the better guitarist is...or even getting bigger than that and comparing Zeppelin to Queen; its like comparing apples and oranges. Its impossible and an absolute waste of time to compare the two. |
| Gone. 17.11.2006 22:06 |
redspecial85 wrote: I can't elaborate enough on how many arguments I've had with people over this. Okay...Page had an influence on Brian...but mind you he was just an influence. Page is one of the all-time great riff writers, but even in his prime he was never better than Brian May. Jimmy Page in my opinion was a damn good guitarist...but, as other people have already stated; the drugs killed his songwriting and playing ability. I've never been that big of a Jimmy Page fan...because I've heard a lot of very similar riffs played by old bluesmen like Son House, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Robert Johnson, etc...his style was unique however because he fused british blues and rock 'n roll with middle eastern modes. None of his stuff was ever all that complex. Brian May's stuff on the other hand...listen to Good Company, Brighton Rock, and the Prophet's Song, and at least another 6 or 7 songs; and clearly Brian again puts Jimmy to shame. I like Jimmy Page's style and playing...however I feel he is so grossly overrated for his musicianship. People are stupid enough to confuse a guitarist's influence with their talent. The two greatest talents in Led Zeppelin were John Bonham and John Paul Jones. Jimmy Page and Robert Plant comprise one of the greatest songwriting teams of all time, but that doesn't automatically dub them the most talented people in the group. When it comes to really saying who the better guitarist is...or even getting bigger than that and comparing Zeppelin to Queen; its like comparing apples and oranges. Its impossible and an absolute waste of time to compare the two.THANK YOU! :D ^ Heck yes. Agreed. Agreed. And AGREED. |
| john bodega 17.11.2006 22:12 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: I just don't like when a poor musician is considered to be a musical genious.Ah so you're BITTER! I get that feeling a lot looking at some of the people who rake in musical accolades these days... but one would do best to let it go. After all, no one said 'genius' came with doing difficult things. I reckon Achilles Last Stand was a piece of genius - I don't know who wrote the guitar parts, but they were executed well enough. Not too showy, not too fast - just... done well. |
| john bodega 17.11.2006 22:18 |
I think something that people are losing sight of is that, in their prime, Page and Plant weren't all that bad! One can put a lot of their 'decline' down to drugs, I believe. Or at least, a dodgy larynx. I will contest that Robert Plant was better at that Atlantic Record thing than he was at Live Aid (he at least managed some falsetto), but Jimmy Page got worse. Didn't Page not even touch guitar for a couple of years after John Bonham quit breathing? Thats got to have something to do with it, surely. Another thing about Page - he was always messy, true enough, but the guy is a foundation in modern guitar playing. A lot of young dudes would've learned his stuff in order to get better.... it's like singling out someone in our evolutionary chain and taking a piss on him because he didn't have a mobile phone! We'd be overrating him, calling him the best of anything, because even in his heyday I think he was outgunned. But... ya know, there were worse. |
| deleted user 18.11.2006 21:29 |
I started playing guitar about a year ago and I'm average and I can actually play a lot of Page's licks and solos, but I can't even begin to fathom Brian's rythm, skill, licks, or riffs! I think Brian is a much more talented guitarist(I'm not being biased) Although, Jimmy's a better producer and more influential. |
| AmeriQueen 19.11.2006 03:32 |
That is the 64 thousand dollar question about guitarists. Who is better??? I'd say that Jimmy Page is overall a more talented guitar player in that he can do things Brian(and others) simply cannot. He is more blues based, but is also a far superior riff master. That being said, only the late Steve Clark of Def Leppard compares, in my opinion, with Page when it comes to guitar riffs. For those two, it's a natural gift for them to lay down classic riffs, as if it takes little or no effort at all. As for soloing, Jimmy can break out something natural and spontaneous, while Brian is more of an architect, perfecting his solos in the studio until they are just right. That being said, Brian is, in my opinion, the better(and furthermore greatest) guitarist. The reason why is simple... THE RED SPECIAL!!! Jimmy can play guitar to it's utmost perfection, and it won't compare because the creation will be some Les Paul/Acoustic/etc. designed work, where as Brian's creations share a common sound that he invented himself(along with his father's help and the occasional help of John Decaon's infamous 'Deacy Amp'. The Red Special sound defines Queen, and buries all other guitarists by it's sheer brilliance. So basically, Jimmy Page is Sir Lancelot, but Brian is King Arthur, not quite as good a fighter, but the fact that he holds Excalibur makes him number one! |
| mike hunt 19.11.2006 03:42 |
queen fans tend to overate the red special just a little. I think what made brian a great guitar player is the guitarist himself, and His own creativity in his playing, but the guitar sound is also nice. |
| john bodega 19.11.2006 06:21 |
"The Red Special sound defines Queen, and buries all other guitarists by it's sheer brilliance. " That's not a very worldly view. Go out and listen to some music. |
| Sebastian 19.11.2006 06:22 |
> Page is one of the all-time great riff writers And the all-time ultimate riff thief. > but even in his prime he was never better than Brian May. It's an everlasting discussion, which may have several different outcomes. Page improvised much better, but Brian knew that there are more scales besides pentatonic. As an all-round musician, Jimmy of course was much much much more influential and a much much much more everlasting figure, yet Brian was much much much better imo. Compare Brian's enviable skill as singer or pianist against Jimmy's nice-but-not-special abilities as bassist or mandolin player. > Brian May's stuff on the other hand...listen to Good Company, Brighton Rock, and the Prophet's Song, and at least another 6 or 7 songs; None of those songs have complex guitar parts. Except perhaps 'Brighton Rock' at the end... but there, especially in 'Good Company' and 'Prophet's Song', Brian demonstrated he's much better as arranger and composer than as guitarist. > Another thing about Page - he was always messy, true enough, but the guy is a foundation in modern guitar playing. Indeed. Many years ago I was addicted to Led Zeppelin and I thought Page was a God with a guitar in his hands. Then I realised he was human as well, and one with an enviable knack for sloppiness. > That being said, Brian is, in my opinion, the better(and furthermore greatest) guitarist. The reason why is simple... THE RED SPECIAL!!! That's not related to his ability as guitarist. He's a good luthier indeed, but it doesn't mean he's a better player ... otherwise anyone who makes football socks is better player than Duncan Edwards or George Best. > queen fans tend to overate the red special just a little. I think what made brian a great guitar player is the guitarist himself, and His own creativity in his playing, but the guitar sound is also nice. Indeed. Brian's brilliant sound comes from himself, not the guitar, the amp or the sixpence. |
| AmeriQueen 19.11.2006 07:12 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "The Red Special sound defines Queen, and buries all other guitarists by it's sheer brilliance. " That's not a very worldly view. Go out and listen to some music.I have listened to a 32 year old's portion of music and then some. And if you can please tell me of one instrument, just one, in all existance that sounds anything like the Red Special, well then I'm all ears. Queen + Jimmy Page, meaning in another world where Brian died and it is Freddie and Roger who carry on with the replacement guitarist being someone like Jimmy Page(anyone will do), for me, would be a worst scenario than the present because that sound is #1 for me of all Queen's sound elements. That's what I love about them most. Not that Freddie's voice isn't impossible to equal as well, it's just that Brian's unique, and I stress, UNIQUE, sound is tops! That being said, if not for Deacon, the Deacy amp wouldn't exist and Brian's sound would be about 2 3rds of what it is. |
| john bodega 19.11.2006 10:41 |
"And if you can please tell me of one instrument, just one, in all existance that sounds anything like the Red Special, well then I'm all ears. " I've always had a fondness for Danelectro! For twangy sounds, I suppose one might chase up Rickenbacker or Gretsch... one would really have to poke around a while. I suppose we've got to take into account that the Red Special is a contemporary of these brands - though Brian obviously had a clear concept in his head of the sound he was after, it was some years before it was even remotely achievable. The thing I like about the Red Special is that it seems to incorporate features of such a range of instruments, perhaps by accident? (Not just Gibson and Fender as one usually says, but indeed the twangier sounds of Gretsch and so forth). "I have listened to a 32 year old's portion of music and then some." Your age is irrelevant in this discussion. Bill O'Reilly is older than both of us put together but I'll wager he'd be less useful on this topic. The problem here is you're rendering piffle an entire world of guitar playing just because of one person. And I rather think that Brian May, the person in question, would *laugh in your face* if he heard about it! Haha. "Indeed. Brian's brilliant sound comes from himself, not the guitar, the amp or the sixpence." I tried saying that in a thread about the Digitech Pedal and they shat on me for it! It's a view I stand by though. |
| The Real Wizard 19.11.2006 17:01 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Another thing about Page - he was always messy, true enough, but the guy is a foundation in modern guitar playing. A lot of young dudes would've learned his stuff in order to get better.... it's like singling out someone in our evolutionary chain and taking a piss on him because he didn't have a mobile phone!That's an excellent analogy. As for the Brian vs. Jimmy debate, I definitely choose Brian, because overall, he's the superior musician. Page is a better producer for sure. Compare LZ II to any other album from '69 (except Abbey Road) and nothing comes close in the quality of sound and production. But Brian is a far better arranger, he has a much more unique style of playing, and he never ripped anyone off to the extent Page has, many times. |
| Bob-Plant 20.11.2006 08:11 |
redspecial85 wrote: I can't elaborate enough on how many arguments I've had with people over this. Okay...Page had an influence on Brian...but mind you he was just an influence. Page is one of the all-time great riff writers, but even in his prime he was never better than Brian May. Jimmy Page in my opinion was a damn good guitarist...but, as other people have already stated; the drugs killed his songwriting and playing ability. I've never been that big of a Jimmy Page fan...because I've heard a lot of very similar riffs played by old bluesmen like Son House, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Robert Johnson, etc...his style was unique however because he fused british blues and rock 'n roll with middle eastern modes. None of his stuff was ever all that complex. Brian May's stuff on the other hand...listen to Good Company, Brighton Rock, and the Prophet's Song, and at least another 6 or 7 songs; and clearly Brian again puts Jimmy to shame. I like Jimmy Page's style and playing...however I feel he is so grossly overrated for his musicianship. People are stupid enough to confuse a guitarist's influence with their talent. The two greatest talents in Led Zeppelin were John Bonham and John Paul Jones. Jimmy Page and Robert Plant comprise one of the greatest songwriting teams of all time, but that doesn't automatically dub them the most talented people in the group. When it comes to really saying who the better guitarist is...or even getting bigger than that and comparing Zeppelin to Queen; its like comparing apples and oranges. Its impossible and an absolute waste of time to compare the two.Though I think I like Page more than you say here, I totally agree that had Zeppelin was so much more than Jimmy Page. Had Page not been lucky enough to meet up with John Paul Jones, Robert Plant and John Bonham, he would have relegated to Jeff Beck's career. I am NOT criticizing Beck, just trying to point out that simply being a talented guitartist alone gets you no where. If you don't hit that magic combination of people in a band, well, again look at Jeff Beck. He is an AMAZING guitarist, but so few people, outside the general guitar playing community, seem to realize it. What if he had started a band with Jones/Plant/Bonham? Clapton/Beck/Page will always be the Holy Trinity, but for a slight twist of fate, Page would probably not be as well known and respected as he is now. |
| Bob-Plant 20.11.2006 08:14 |
quicksilver mercury wrote: MatiaMay think he are sooo good to insult great Jimmy Page but MatiasMay not so good on youtube linkI really disagree with MatiaMay's opinion of Jimmy Page and his abilities, but I have to admit I thought his playing on "Bijou" was pretty good here. |
| user name 20.11.2006 11:56 |
Bob-Plant wrote:Beck is kind of like the Holy Spirit. He's there, but nobody really has any idea what the heck for.redspecial85 wrote: I can't elaborate enough on how many arguments I've had with people over this. Okay...Page had an influence on Brian...but mind you he was just an influence. Page is one of the all-time great riff writers, but even in his prime he was never better than Brian May. Jimmy Page in my opinion was a damn good guitarist...but, as other people have already stated; the drugs killed his songwriting and playing ability. I've never been that big of a Jimmy Page fan...because I've heard a lot of very similar riffs played by old bluesmen like Son House, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Robert Johnson, etc...his style was unique however because he fused british blues and rock 'n roll with middle eastern modes. None of his stuff was ever all that complex. Brian May's stuff on the other hand...listen to Good Company, Brighton Rock, and the Prophet's Song, and at least another 6 or 7 songs; and clearly Brian again puts Jimmy to shame. I like Jimmy Page's style and playing...however I feel he is so grossly overrated for his musicianship. People are stupid enough to confuse a guitarist's influence with their talent. The two greatest talents in Led Zeppelin were John Bonham and John Paul Jones. Jimmy Page and Robert Plant comprise one of the greatest songwriting teams of all time, but that doesn't automatically dub them the most talented people in the group. When it comes to really saying who the better guitarist is...or even getting bigger than that and comparing Zeppelin to Queen; its like comparing apples and oranges. Its impossible and an absolute waste of time to compare the two.Though I think I like Page more than you say here, I totally agree that had Zeppelin was so much more than Jimmy Page. Had Page not been lucky enough to meet up with John Paul Jones, Robert Plant and John Bonham, he would have relegated to Jeff Beck's career. I am NOT criticizing Beck, just trying to point out that simply being a talented guitartist alone gets you no where. If you don't hit that magic combination of people in a band, well, again look at Jeff Beck. He is an AMAZING guitarist, but so few people, outside the general guitar playing community, seem to realize it. What if he had started a band with Jones/Plant/Bonham? Clapton/Beck/Page will always be the Holy Trinity, but for a slight twist of fate, Page would probably not be as well known and respected as he is now. |
| Boy Thomas Raker 20.11.2006 12:02 |
Jeff Beck is constantly on top, or near the top of the list of "guitarist's guitarist." However, Brian May and Jimmy Page have played on countless more great songs than Jeff Beck. I find their writing more emotionally involving than Beck's, and whether they're as technically proficient or flash, their playing on more, better songs gives them something that Beck's scattershot catalogue can't stand up to. |
| john bodega 20.11.2006 12:32 |
Bob-Plant wrote:Really?? I thought it was atonal at times.... but someone told me he's better now, and I trust them implicitly!quicksilver mercury wrote: MatiaMay think he are sooo good to insult great Jimmy Page but MatiasMay not so good on youtube linkI really disagree with MatiaMay's opinion of Jimmy Page and his abilities, but I have to admit I thought his playing on "Bijou" was pretty good here. |
| Bob-Plant 20.11.2006 13:21 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Well, I can't play for sh*t, so I guess anything close is good to me :) Sadly, my singing is even worse...Bob-Plant wrote:Really?? I thought it was atonal at times.... but someone told me he's better now, and I trust them implicitly!quicksilver mercury wrote: MatiaMay think he are sooo good to insult great Jimmy Page but MatiasMay not so good on youtube linkI really disagree with MatiaMay's opinion of Jimmy Page and his abilities, but I have to admit I thought his playing on "Bijou" was pretty good here. |
| teleman 20.11.2006 13:56 |
I'd cut MatiasMay some slack. He's young and he's strongly opinionated. I disagree with him on Page being shit. Not impressed by his lack of eloquence in expressing his opinion. His playing on youtube left something to be desired but he'll get better. Hopefully he'll be a well rounded musician with a respect for history(and guitarists like Page's place in it) and an eye for the future. |
| mayniac316 20.11.2006 15:48 |
Brian May all the way!!!!!! |
| Queen-Obsessed 22.11.2006 12:59 |
Although it is really hard not to be biased I am doing my best although I think I still go with Brian because I do agree that he does use his talent to a greater degree. If Jimmy branched out more then it would be a harder choice |
| SilverShoes 24.11.2006 09:49 |
I like Page more for his acoustic guitar work and composing. He came up with things like The Rain Song, The Song Remains The Same, Achilles Last Stand, and so forth. Brian's electric guitar playing is more interesting, to my ears. More melodic, more interesting tones, and he was more creative with the way he used the recording studio. I don't think I ever heard Page try anything like what Brian did on songs like Good Company or The Millionaire's Waltz. You could argue that Brian is a more rounded musician, as he's also a top notch lyricist, and he can sing too. I never heard that Page stopped playing guitar for a couple years after Bonham died. He may stopped for a bit, but it was only a year or two later that Death Wish II (which he did the soundtrack for) came out, so he couldn't have stopped playing for very long. Another interesting point: when Queen played at Live Aid, the entire band, including Brian, KILLED. When it came time for Zep's set, Page wasn't even tuned up (according to Robert Plant, someone handed Page his Les Paul directly from the case just before they went on). And I'm also reminded of the Atlantic Records 40th Anniversary Concert, where Page sounded like was having the off night to end all off nights. |
| john bodega 25.11.2006 04:27 |
"And I'm also reminded of the Atlantic Records 40th Anniversary Concert, where Page sounded like was having the off night to end all off nights." Yeah, thats the one I keep referring back to..... I find little to like about that performance. The drums sounded like tin cans and Page was just.... awful! Funnily enough, Robert Plant was better than he was at Live Aid, he even made a fist of the falsetto part. "I'd cut MatiasMay some slack." I did! I can't speak for the others though. As far as that Bijou video goes, we all have bad moments! I had a very very bad series of moments the other day, it was called a shit performance! |
| Bob-Plant 27.11.2006 08:42 |
SilverShoes wrote: You could argue that Brian is a more rounded musician, as he's also a top notch lyricist, and he can sing too. II'd agree with what you've written, except I'd have to say Page was actually the more rounded guitar player than Brian-he has probably played every style of guitar there is to play. It's important to remember Page was a sesssion player be before joining the Yardbirds in '67. He literally played on hundred's of recordings in Britian-everything from Muzak to country to his well known work with the Kinks, Who, Rolling Stones etc. |
| deleted user 27.11.2006 22:19 |
BM for life!!!!!!!!!!! |