Another Roger (re) 26.10.2006 10:42 |
Can you just get lost? If you dont like it dont bother us with it. There is nothing to be done about it. Cant you just leave and listen to Rolling Stones, Mew, The Coral etc instead? Who cares about which name they use? If you dont have bigger problems in your lives than that, I dont feel sorry for you. If Brian and Roger wants to make new material I am thrilled. If that includes using the Queen name its brilliant. Its none of our business which name they are going under. If you dont like it, get lost. Noone will miss you. |
Rick 26.10.2006 10:53 |
I see your point. My point is, that this has been discussed too many times now. If you like it, nice, if you don't, too bad. And besides, Roger and Brian have all the right to use the name 'Queen'. There were the true founders of this band. Freddie joined them later on. |
john bodega 26.10.2006 11:14 |
While I only think of Queen being from the album "Queen" right up to "Made In Heaven" and then the song "No One But You".... ... I support their decision to chuck the Queen name on this new work, *PURELY* to see the looks on everyone's faces. I love watching people get indignant here and go 'the Queen name must not go on' and crap like that! I love it! |
Nandeke 26.10.2006 12:29 |
Rick,you're wrong:brian and roger founded "Smile" with Tim Staffel, but then he left and Freddie joined and WAS HIM who changed the name to Queen.I don't want to dissapoint you,only correct that point ;) However, i'm agree with their decition of record using this name...or what do you want people? their using "50% QUEEN"?. |
Sebastian 26.10.2006 14:30 |
> Can you just get lost? No > If you dont like it dont bother us with it. Ditto. > There is nothing to be done about it. We can complain here. And so I will "Queen were Freddie, Roger, John and Brian, not these two opportunistic leeches". >Cant you just leave and listen to Rolling Stones, Mew, The Coral etc instead? No. > Who cares about which name they use? I do. > If you dont have bigger problems in your lives than that I have, but I still find room to say the following: they are not Queen. > If Brian and Roger wants to make new material I am thrilled. So am I, but they should use their own names. > If that includes using the Queen name its brilliant. No, it's coward, opportunistic, immoral and unethical. > Its none of our business which name they are going under. Then close your eyes when you see a message stating that they're not Queen, they're just two former members not having enough courage to use their own bloody names. > If you dont like it, get lost. Noone will miss you. Ditto. > There were the true founders of this band. Freddie joined them later on. That's utterly wrong. The three of them founded the band and decided later on that it would end if anyone of the four (now with John) left, ANYONE of the four. So Queen without John aren't Queen, Queen without Roger aren't Queen, Queen without Brian aren't Queen and of course, Queen without Freddie aren't Queen. >Rick,you're wrong:brian and roger founded "Smile" with Tim Staffel, That's not quite right: Brian and Tim founded Smile, then looked for a drummer and found Roger. But if we're saying Queen = Smile (replacing some members), we can also say that Queen = Wreckage (replacing some members), or Queen = Smile = Reaction. > but then he left and Freddie joined and WAS HIM who changed the name to Queen. He didn't join: both bands were off and they decided to form a new one the three of them. So Queen weren't Smile, they were a new band with two members of Smile and one member of Ibex, Wreckage and Sour Milk Sea. > their using "50% QUEEN"?. A new name, that's all. Like Asia, like Velvet Revolver, like Supernova... |
Serry... 26.10.2006 14:46 |
I admire of Seb's patience :) |
Nacho_itu 26.10.2006 15:07 |
Come on people... I also like bands like, for example, Deep Purple, and Black Sabbath. And if you see the history of this bands, you'll see that they have had LOT of changes in their formations... last year came Deep Purple to my country...without Ritchie blackmore...and it rocked! obviously is not the same with Ritchie , but, is a great band without him too!...and nobody was shouting "Deep purple RIP", "without ritchie its not Deep Purple" or something like that because ritchie was'nt there..Why don't you just enjoy new music, under the name that they want to have as a band?? Don'be narrow minded... |
_Bijou_ 26.10.2006 15:09 |
I can understand people might be angry at Brian and Roger for singing with someone else but the sad fact is, life goes on. Now I'm a massive Freddie fan but just because he died, doesn't mean Brian and Roger have to act is if the same had happened to them. |
deleted user 26.10.2006 15:39 |
If younger Queen fans like myself, (except I only got into Queen last year so haven't seen Q+PR, but I'm hoping the new album is success enough that they go on tour again?)or maybe someone like it's_a_hard_life is a better example, who weren't old enough to see Queen tour from 1973-1986 Brian, Roger and another singer/frontman (and bassist et cetera) may not be the original line-up of Queen live, but it's the best we've got! It isn't Rog and Bri's fault Freddie died and John's retired and a legendary group like Queen should be kept alive. And when you get a sound like Queen did live, well, I believe it's a wonderful idea to keep that alive. Gives all those Pussycat Dolls, McFly et al a good kick up the backside (figuratively speaking of course) and us stupid teenagers, reminding us who the REAL kings (or queens) of rock n' roll concerts. I think Queen should keep going till they can't any longer... and possibly a little after that I think it was Roger who said something along the lines of them continuing till they 'get as old as the Rolling Stones' :D |
bohemian 11513 26.10.2006 15:48 |
Fred sucked BIG... long may they continue to reign without him!!! PS: NO Paul Rodgers = NO Queen!!! PPS: RIP John... |
deleted user 26.10.2006 15:49 |
Bohemian<font size="1"></f! wrote: Fred sucked BIG... long may they continue to reign without him!!!Oh yes very droll! |
M a t i a s M a y 26.10.2006 16:00 |
FUCK THEM BASTARDS FUCK THEM ALL!!! |
M a t i a s M a y 26.10.2006 16:01 |
MrCole wrote: queen not excistant without fredds queen is now Twat and Turd (Brian and Roger) So the new name is: Tward good Tward+ Paul Rogers This is the new band now.xDDDDDDDDD ROFL |
Tannya 26.10.2006 16:57 |
OK, then you should build your own website called ROGER TAYLOR AND BRIAN MAY + EVERYONE and create your own Forum. Let the real QUEEN FANS on QUEENZONE ok?. Q-U-E-E-N Z-O-N-E QUEEN = Freddie Mercury (yes FREDDIE MERCURY!), Roger Taylor, Brian May and John Deacon (YES JOHN DEACON!). Sorry, but this is a place where QUEEN FANS can share things about THE BAND and we love it with Freddie. Please don´t tell me what to do. Thank You! |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 26.10.2006 16:58 |
i wonder if fans of pink floyd,genesis,rolling stones etc gave the groups as much stick as some queen fans do when their line ups changed through the years.probably not. |
deleted user 26.10.2006 17:05 |
To be completely honest i dont really care that much. I like Queen with Freddie and he cant be replaced but we cant just expect Brian and Roger to sit around and do nothing and if them using the Queen name means that we all get new material than im chuffed. I think that if you like it than great but if you dont than tough luck because we cant do anything about it. |
M a t i a s M a y 26.10.2006 17:27 |
Tannya wrote: OK, then you should build your own website called ROGER TAYLOR AND BRIAN MAY + EVERYONE and create your own Forum. Let the real QUEEN FANS on QUEENZONE ok?. Q-U-E-E-N Z-O-N-E QUEEN = Freddie Mercury (yes FREDDIE MERCURY!), Roger Taylor, Brian May and John Deacon (YES JOHN DEACON!). Sorry, but this is a place where QUEEN FANS can share things about THE BAND and we love it with Freddie. Please don´t tell me what to do. Thank You!NO PUTA |
Mike Label 26.10.2006 17:34 |
When Noone But You was released I really loved the song (and still do!) but strongly felt it was just not right to call it a Queen song. I know it would have been even less successful had they released it as Brian, Roger & John (or whatever). But hadn't Brian said something like 'There's no Queen without Freddie' after Freddie died? He really should've stuck to that. I still get excited every time Bri & Rog work together, with or without PR, live or in the studio, but they're not and will never again be Queen. That is simply over, no matter what they may call themselves. Made In Heaven was (at least partially) the last true Queen album because Freddie obviously wanted some of these songs to be finished by the band and released. So what Brian and Roger can give us now as Queen is some unrelased studio or live stuff. Period. |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 26.10.2006 17:49 |
so when peter gabriel left genesis or sid barrett left pink floyd or bill wyman left the stones or john entwistle died,the who and all these other bands should of changed their names or quit the music scene then? no? i didnt think so! queen are now brian and roger with paul long live queen! |
Mike Label 26.10.2006 17:52 |
P.S. This is my personal view and I don't mean to hurt or disqualify anybody who feels different. |
Mike Label 26.10.2006 17:55 |
There is one mighty difference: The Rolling Stones sound the same without Bill Wyman, but Queen just cannot sound the same without Freddie! |
Sharon G.Queen Fan 26.10.2006 19:49 |
No Freddie + No John = No Queen. |
7 seas of Rhye 26.10.2006 21:38 |
Sharon G.Queen Fan wrote: No Freddie + No John = No Queen.That's right! |
Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 26.10.2006 21:54 |
There is no Queen without Freddie. Don't think that this post will shut anyone up about this. I am pretty sure that the new Paul Rodgers+Queen album will suck and that it will be released to dismal sales. They really are ruining the legacy with their huge egos. Why can't they be more like humble John? |
greaserkat 26.10.2006 22:46 |
Let talk about a band that had the same thing happend to its lead singer. The Doors. Are they the same band if the had replaced Jim a decade after he passed away?? Jim was the face of the doors he might not have liked that idea as he pointed out many times, but to some extent he was, the same with Freddie, to some extent Freddie was the face of Queen and still is, mainly because Queen was already regraded as one of the best music groups ever, the same as the doors when theyre lead singer passed away. So I dont think there's anything wrong when people say Queen is not Queen with out Freddie even if John was still involved. |
Marcelo_argentina 26.10.2006 23:07 |
I´am absolutly mad about Freddie Mercury.... Roger and Brian can do what they want...they are brilliants...who fucking care about the name..it´s all about music!!! M-U-S-I-C!!!! I´am absolutly mad about Freddie Mercury. |
Smitty 26.10.2006 23:08 |
Queen WAS Freddie!!! Everyone else is CRAP!!! Apart from John...Just because... I REFUSE to open my ears to new sounds!!! PAUL RODGERS MUST BE PUNISHED FOR TARNISHING THE QUEEN NAME!!! _______________________________________________ Okay, now to be serious... The Queen name BELONGS to Brian and Roger now. Since John retired, Queen is their band. There's nothing anyone can change about it, so just give up. This is a VERY tired topic. I say it should be shelved until 2011. |
kenny8 26.10.2006 23:08 |
"i wonder if fans of pink floyd,genesis,rolling stones etc gave the groups as much stick as some queen fans do when their line ups changed through the years.probably not." They never had a Freddie either. I love the band I'v followed for thirty years going back on their word and recording again as Queen, with somebody else on vocals. The ridicule on the radio is an emabrassment. It is a sell out to use the Queen name on new material. The tour I didn't have a problem with for nostalgia's ske, but to try and come up with new material as Queen without Fred is a dreadful move. Shameful! As if the Crazy Frog licence wasn't bad enough. I don't get it, who much money do they need?? The Queen moniker now is only there to make money. Let Rodgers, May & Taylor do what they bloody well want, but don't dare call it Queen. No f*ckin wonder Freddie solo outsells anything by Queen without him on it!! |
Smitty 26.10.2006 23:10 |
I reserve the vote to change the name to Paul Rodgers + Queen |
Smitty 26.10.2006 23:17 |
kenny8 wrote: "i wonder if fans of pink floyd,genesis,rolling stones etc gave the groups as much stick as some queen fans do when their line ups changed through the years.probably not." They never had a Freddie either. I love the band I'v followed for thirty years going back on their word and recording again as Queen, with somebody else on vocals. The ridicule on the radio is an emabrassment. It is a sell out to use the Queen name on new material. The tour I didn't have a problem with for nostalgia's ske, but to try and come up with new material as Queen without Fred is a dreadful move. Shameful! As if the Crazy Frog licence wasn't bad enough. I don't get it, who much money do they need?? The Queen moniker now is only there to make money. Let Rodgers, May & Taylor do what they bloody well want, but don't dare call it Queen. No f*ckin wonder Freddie solo outsells anything by Queen without him on it!!*cough*No-one but you*cough* |
Freddies Delilah 27.10.2006 00:07 |
Another Roger (re) wrote: Can you just get lost? If you dont like it dont bother us with it. There is nothing to be done about it. Cant you just leave and listen to Rolling Stones, Mew, The Coral etc instead? Who cares about which name they use? If you dont have bigger problems in your lives than that, I dont feel sorry for you. If Brian and Roger wants to make new material I am thrilled. If that includes using the Queen name its brilliant. Its none of our business which name they are going under. If you dont like it, get lost. Noone will miss you.It sounds to me like you are being very narrow minded about all this. The point of forums is for people to chat about different things and share different opinions. If osme people have different opinions to yours, why does it bug you so much? To me, Queen was the four of them - Freddie, Brian, Roger, and John. Brian and Roger are entitled to do what they want - but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. If they want to record an album with Paul, fine, they can go ahead. But don't do it under the name Queen. Not without Freddie and John. |
M a t i a s M a y 27.10.2006 04:58 |
<font color=gold>§|\/|1<font color=1>++ÿ wrote: I reserve the vote to change the name to Paul Rodgers + <font size=1>Queen</font>xDDDDDD |
thomasquinn 32989 27.10.2006 07:55 |
People like Sebastian who take this so badly are quite simply reactionaries. They cannot adapt to the fact that the world is an ever-changing place, thus they attempt to stick to old values of which they ignore the anachronistic value. As John Tosh states in "The Pursuit Of History", one of the most dangerous things separating social memory from historical awareness is the fact that people tend to cling to an idealisation of the past, ignoring its bad sides and dismissing present developments as bad without actually paying attention to them. It's this crime against common sense that these reactionaries are guilty of. |
President 27.10.2006 08:16 |
See, Paul is ok but he has never been the first choice of Queen when we discussed possible replacement of Freddie. I'm sure that Freddie would have made several artistic projects with him if he could BUT he would have never agreed with replacement like that. Moreover he didn't know the b*****d before. Plus he has never had a close overview on Bad Company. Thanks! |
boca 27.10.2006 08:59 |
One thing here is for sure: They are GODS, and I'm sure they'll make great songs because they can't do it other way |
LadySonnet 27.10.2006 09:17 |
Hello to everyone! I have just registered to this site ONLY because I saw this discussion board and it raised a very painful subject for me. I graduated from an Arts management program and one thing I learned from University was to make difference between art and business. Now, (funny how the pages turn) I am in politics and from my modest life experience of 32 years I could loud and clear state that Queen+PR is BUSINESS and POLITICS. Strange how quickly Roger and Brian forgot what they, themselves, actually told us sometime ago, in particular: "an honest politician is a contradiction in terms" and "Keep yourself alive" (the context of the whole song)! I wonder too if and whome Freddie himself would appoint for his successer. I doubt this would be Paul Rogers! The saddest part of it all is that the MONEY keeps rolling in all directions and WE can't do anything about that! Take a bow, John, for your loyalty! Eliza |
LadySonnet 27.10.2006 09:28 |
kenny wrote:
"No f*ckin wonder Freddie solo outsells anything by Queen without him on it!!"
EXCELLENT POINT, kenny! Regards, Eliza |
President 27.10.2006 09:30 |
BRAVO on that one! :))) |
Pandy Legend 27.10.2006 09:33 |
Here's a hypothetical question.... Supposing John had died in 1991 and not Freddie - would they be right to call the band Queen after then? Queen plus Danny Miranda maybe? Freddie, by his own statement, was not Queen. Had Freddie had 3 different musicians would they have been as successful? Who knows, but Freddie's Mr Bad Guy album was a flop and the music on it is poor (not the songwriting or the singin, I hasten to add). Queen is as much Brian's guitar sound, Roger's drum sound and John's bass sound as it is Freddie's voice. If having a different singer makes it "not Queen", then surely I'm In Love With My Car, '39 and Drowse aren't Queen either. Furthermore, if you compare the structure, sound and style of the Queen+PR shows with other Queen shows and Brian and Roger's solo shows, you find that the Q+PR shows are very much Queen. Also, don't forget Queen is a brand name - it is known far more than probably even Freddie's name and so if they want to attract people to the shows it is good sense to use the name - after all, even if they don't want the money, they don't want to play to half empty venues. Some very valid points have been made about other bands who have carried on after the death or departure of band members. To say it is not Queen without Freddie or John is like saying that tea isn't tea without milk - of course, it is tea but it just tastes different, some will like it (even prefer it) and others will hate it, but it's not worth arguing over. |
flash! 28068 27.10.2006 09:59 |
It's not exactly Queen anymore anyway. It's Paul Rodgers, Brian May and Roger Taylor. Queen without Freddie and John isn't Queen. It's like calling Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr The Beatles when they're clearly not without George and John. It's not the same. Never will be. Although, i'm sure Bri and Rog's new work with Rodgy will be fab, i still don't get the same vibe that i usually get with the original Queen. |
AspiringPhilosophe 27.10.2006 10:35 |
I'm not quite sure I get why people make such a big deal out of this still. I think that EVERYONE knew when Freddie passed that things were never going to be the same again. I mean, come on! There is no way to win with some of the whiners here about that! If someone tried to replace Freddie in every way, they'd complain that "He's not as good as Freddie!" So Paul Rogers comes in, and does things in his way, which takes more guts I think, and then people complain that "It's not Freddie!". DUH! Freddie is gone! He's not coming back! It's a lose-lose situation here. I pesonally admire Brian and Roger for keeping the Queen name out there, and introducing a generation of new fans to Queen, even if it's not the same as it was when it was Freddie, Brian, Roger and John. At least it's peaking the interest to hear the older stuff. Yeah, Queen is "a business" now...but you don't think it was when Freddie was still alive? Hello!! Wake up! Any successful musical act is 50% music and 50% business, at the very least. It's awful hard to survive on just music. The problem is, some times acts got into 80% business and 20% music...a la Justin Timberlake and most modern pop stars today. Would these people rather that Queen just died, along with their fans, never to be ressurrected and enjoyed by any other generations ever again? That's pretty selfish of you if that's the case, and it shows that you weren't devoted to the music at all....you were devoted only to Freddie. |
deleted user 27.10.2006 10:42 |
Mr Debauchery wrote: Here's a hypothetical question.... Supposing John had died in 1991 and not Freddie - would they be right to call the band Queen after then? Queen plus Danny Miranda maybe? Freddie, by his own statement, was not Queen. Had Freddie had 3 different musicians would they have been as successful? Who knows, but Freddie's Mr Bad Guy album was a flop and the music on it is poor (not the songwriting or the singin, I hasten to add). Queen is as much Brian's guitar sound, Roger's drum sound and John's bass sound as it is Freddie's voice. If having a different singer makes it "not Queen", then surely I'm In Love With My Car, '39 and Drowse aren't Queen either. Furthermore, if you compare the structure, sound and style of the Queen+PR shows with other Queen shows and Brian and Roger's solo shows, you find that the Q+PR shows are very much Queen. Also, don't forget Queen is a brand name - it is known far more than probably even Freddie's name and so if they want to attract people to the shows it is good sense to use the name - after all, even if they don't want the money, they don't want to play to half empty venues. Some very valid points have been made about other bands who have carried on after the death or departure of band members. To say it is not Queen without Freddie or John is like saying that tea isn't tea without milk - of course, it is tea but it just tastes different, some will like it (even prefer it) and others will hate it, but it's not worth arguing over.a few words to Queen as a brand name: you are probably wrong about more people knowing the name "Queen" than "Freddie Mercury" - i think (from a lot of people I talked to in the last 15 years and the media coverage) that both "Queen" and "Freddie" are equally well known. In fact, many people might recognize Freddie on TV or pictures, but could not tell the band he sang for (at least people who have very little knownledge of rock music). You must also remember that in the past (70s and 80s) many non-fans thought, that "Queen" was essentialy Freddie Mercury. |
s.m. 27.10.2006 11:14 |
1. your title lacks john 2. the real title should have been, For those who dont want Queen without their soul and essence my reply to that topic is, who in the world would want that queen |
s.m. 27.10.2006 11:18 |
<font color=blue>Rick wrote: And besides, Roger and Brian have all the right to use the name 'Queen'. There were the true founders of this band. Freddie joined them later on.you should learn the facts first brian may and roger taylor only formed the smile along with tim staffel freedie insigated the making of the group, and gave it it´s name nice to see that queen fans dont know the band´s history |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 27.10.2006 11:25 |
nice to see that queens fans dont know their history some would rather live in the past and not move on in life either |
Tannya 27.10.2006 11:25 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:OK You should be a little more intelligent and don´t ofense people. Shame on you!!!!!Tannya wrote: OK, then you should build your own website called ROGER TAYLOR AND BRIAN MAY + EVERYONE and create your own Forum. Let the real QUEEN FANS on QUEENZONE ok?. Q-U-E-E-N Z-O-N-E QUEEN = Freddie Mercury (yes FREDDIE MERCURY!), Roger Taylor, Brian May and John Deacon (YES JOHN DEACON!). Sorry, but this is a place where QUEEN FANS can share things about THE BAND and we love it with Freddie. Please don´t tell me what to do. Thank You!NO PUTA |
s.m. 27.10.2006 11:26 |
joxerthemighty wrote: so when peter gabriel left genesis or sid barrett left pink floyd or bill wyman left the stones or john entwistle died,the who and all these other bands should of changed their names or quit the music scene then? no? i didnt think so! queen are now brian and roger with paul long live queen!1. paul isn´t member of queen 2. paul can´t sing queen songs except two of them and even i can sing them along with the rest of the world |
s.m. 27.10.2006 11:35 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: They cannot adapt to the fact that the world is an ever-changing place, thus they attempt to stick to old values of which they ignore the anachronistic value.why should we settle for less? better something then nothing? i dont think so the fact that world is changing, dosen´t necessary means that it´s changing for the better in this case we are close to armagedon |
eenaweena 27.10.2006 11:40 |
this is what i've learned in philosophical anthropology class: it is untenable for man to be repeated and it is impossible for man to be reincarnated. i guess that this applies here because no one could ever replace freddie, and we all know that, since there was only one farrokh bulsara in this world. it's also impossible for freddie's voice to be brought back to life in newer than ever queen tracks. same goes with john deacon and his bass playing. but in the end, we all have to realize thatnothing is constant in this world and that we just have to keep moving on. i'm not saying i'm in favor of Q+PR, but i'm actually just going to wait and see if all things work out. :D cheerio. :o) |
s.m. 27.10.2006 11:46 |
joxerthemighty wrote: some would rather live in the past and not move on in life eitheryou need to know what the hell you are talking about when you want to be a smartass p.s. living in the past is just normal for humans you were younger, all the memories etc. you just can´t let it take over your life p.p.s have you seen brian may lately? is that look example of living in the past? or clining for something that isn´t there anymore ok, that is wrong example that is just desperate or moving on in your language |
kenny8 27.10.2006 12:12 |
"Would these people rather that Queen just died, along with their fans, never to be ressurrected and enjoyed by any other generations ever again?" Sadly, we didn't have a choice. That's life, Freddie passed away taking from us.....you know I can't believe I'm defending Freddie Mercury being the one and only frontman for Queen on a fucking Queen forum quite frankly!!! Jesus, was 1991 that long ago?? It's one thing to cover the original songs live on a nostalgia tour but it's a vastly different matter to record new material and call it Queen. And it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that the legacy of the true band would die. You'll notice their back catalogue sells quite nicely. And there's surely more DVDs to come yet. |
kenny8 27.10.2006 12:17 |
They go on about the band being a family at the end, but what do you do if (God forbid) you lose a member of your family. You wouldn't employ a replacement and tell people you were the same "family" out of basic respect! I gotta have a smoke! |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 27.10.2006 13:18 |
i dont live in the past sorry if you do.its not being a smartass its excepting things as they are now and moving on in life.i pity those that cant do that and am grateful that i can. brian and roger have moved on with queen and at this moment in time it features paul. life goes on im afaid and it goes on without freddie at the helm of the queen ship |
M a t i a s M a y 27.10.2006 13:18 |
Tannya wrote:puta infeliz!!M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:OK You should be a little more intelligent and don´t ofense people. Shame on you!!!!!Tannya wrote: OK, then you should build your own website called ROGER TAYLOR AND BRIAN MAY + EVERYONE and create your own Forum. Let the real QUEEN FANS on QUEENZONE ok?. Q-U-E-E-N Z-O-N-E QUEEN = Freddie Mercury (yes FREDDIE MERCURY!), Roger Taylor, Brian May and John Deacon (YES JOHN DEACON!). Sorry, but this is a place where QUEEN FANS can share things about THE BAND and we love it with Freddie. Please don´t tell me what to do. Thank You!NO PUTA me cago en tu pecho |
thomasquinn 32989 27.10.2006 15:18 |
s.m. wrote:If this means armageddon to you, you lead a very pitiful life, I must say.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: They cannot adapt to the fact that the world is an ever-changing place, thus they attempt to stick to old values of which they ignore the anachronistic value.why should we settle for less? better something then nothing? i dont think so the fact that world is changing, dosen´t necessary means that it´s changing for the better in this case we are close to armagedon |
bitesthedust 27.10.2006 16:26 |
Sebastian wrote: > Can you just get lost? No > If you dont like it dont bother us with it. Ditto. > There is nothing to be done about it. We can complain here. And so I will "Queen were Freddie, Roger, John and Brian, not these two opportunistic leeches". >Cant you just leave and listen to Rolling Stones, Mew, The Coral etc instead? No. > Who cares about which name they use? I do. > If you dont have bigger problems in your lives than that I have, but I still find room to say the following: they are not Queen. > If Brian and Roger wants to make new material I am thrilled. So am I, but they should use their own names. > If that includes using the Queen name its brilliant. No, it's coward, opportunistic, immoral and unethical. > Its none of our business which name they are going under. Then close your eyes when you see a message stating that they're not Queen, they're just two former members not having enough courage to use their own bloody names. > If you dont like it, get lost. Noone will miss you. Ditto. > There were the true founders of this band. Freddie joined them later on. That's utterly wrong. The three of them founded the band and decided later on that it would end if anyone of the four (now with John) left, ANYONE of the four. So Queen without John aren't Queen, Queen without Roger aren't Queen, Queen without Brian aren't Queen and of course, Queen without Freddie aren't Queen. >Rick,you're wrong:brian and roger founded "Smile" with Tim Staffel, That's not quite right: Brian and Tim founded Smile, then looked for a drummer and found Roger. But if we're saying Queen = Smile (replacing some members), we can also say that Queen = Wreckage (replacing some members), or Queen = Smile = Reaction. > but then he left and Freddie joined and WAS HIM who changed the name to Queen. He didn't join: both bands were off and they decided to form a new one the three of them. So Queen weren't Smile, they were a new band with two members of Smile and one member of Ibex, Wreckage and Sour Milk Sea. > their using "50% QUEEN"?. A new name, that's all. Like Asia, like Velvet Revolver, like Supernova...It's nice to see that there is someone else on Queenzone who shares my views, rightly or wrongly. Those of us who believe Queen are no longer an active band are seemingly quite happy to live in the past in that sense, as Queen are in the past. Queen finished touring in 1986. Queen's last studio album was released in 1995 - using songs recorded by Freddie Mercury before his death, along with b-sides and covers of existing songs done by the band members' own solo projects. Queen's last single was in 1997 - No-One But You, whilst not being a true Queen song in the sense of all 4 members being musically present, it is a Queen song in that the 3 surviving members are present for their final work and ultimately as a tribute to Freddie Mercury. |
deleted user 27.10.2006 16:46 |
Tannya wrote:You are so right! Queen is all 4 members, not just 2.M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:OK You should be a little more intelligent and don´t ofense people. Shame on you!!!!!Tannya wrote: OK, then you should build your own website called ROGER TAYLOR AND BRIAN MAY + EVERYONE and create your own Forum. Let the real QUEEN FANS on QUEENZONE ok?. Q-U-E-E-N Z-O-N-E QUEEN = Freddie Mercury (yes FREDDIE MERCURY!), Roger Taylor, Brian May and John Deacon (YES JOHN DEACON!). Sorry, but this is a place where QUEEN FANS can share things about THE BAND and we love it with Freddie. Please don´t tell me what to do. Thank You!NO PUTA |
Smitty 27.10.2006 21:48 |
How can that be when the recent Queen + Paul Rodgers line-up consisted of 6 people? Brian Roger Paul Danny Jamie Spike And to add on the success of Freddie's solo compilation (LOLSOS) and its success over Return of the Champions, I hate to break it to some of the children here, but Freddie's solo work is only popular today because he's dead. It's the truth. |
kenny8 27.10.2006 23:56 |
<font color=gold>§|\/|1<font color=1>++ÿ wrote: I hate to break it to some of the children here, but Freddie's solo work is only popular today because he's dead. It's the truth.That's one of the stupidist comments I've seen, and frankly you should be ashamed to have written that. By your way of thinking, by continuing to record as Queen, aren't they then guilty of cashing in? |
Smitty 28.10.2006 01:14 |
kenny8 wrote:But, what was the reason behind:<font color=gold>§|\/|1<font color=1>++ÿ wrote: I hate to break it to some of the children here, but Freddie's solo work is only popular today because he's dead. It's the truth.That's one of the stupidist comments I've seen, and frankly you should be ashamed to have written that... The Freddie Mercury Solo Box set: -It wouldn't have been released if he was alive, he'd probably be too busy making new stuff to worry about the past "LOLSOS": -That one is obvious The Freddie Mercury Album (AKA The Great Pretender): -Released less than a year after he died So, was my comment stupid at all? As for the other part, are they cashing in on Freddie's death by recording a new album? No, they already did that with LOLSOS. And by YOUR way of thinking, if they made an album with Paul Rodgers, they'd have a hard time cashing in on it because Freddie wouldn't be a part of it. You said yourself that LOLSOS did better than Return of the Champions. If they really really wanted to cash in even more, they'd release...I dunno, "The best of Freddie Mercury Part 45 (P.S. he wrote the Bohemian Rhapsody that was on Wayne's World)" or something like that. |
kenny8 28.10.2006 05:48 |
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kenny8 28.10.2006 05:49 |
<font color=gold>§|\/|1<font color=1>++ÿ wrote: If they really really wanted to cash in even more, they'd release...I dunno, "The best of Freddie Mercury Part 45 (P.S. he wrote the Bohemian Rhapsody that was on Wayne's World)" or something like that. What do you mean, like releasing another Greatest Hits album after an appearance on American Idol perhaps? Or how about letting the Crazy Frog record Mercury's "WATC"?? There's no level to which they won't stoop anymore if there's a buck in it. They'll even now record new music as Queen. Grief is officially over, replaced by greed |
Smitty 28.10.2006 17:56 |
kenny8 wrote: What do you mean, like releasing another Greatest Hits album after an appearance on American Idol perhaps? Or how about letting the Crazy Frog record Mercury's "WATC"?? There's no level to which they won't stoop anymore if there's a buck in it. They'll even now record new music as Queen. Grief is officially over, replaced by greedI'm not saying I support any of the numerous re-hashes over the years. It's disgusting actually. I feel that they'd pay the most respect to the Queen name by releasing new material rather than letting Crazy Frog re-record WATC. That's just weird. |
mike hunt 29.10.2006 01:38 |
s.m. wrote:I agree, it drives me crazy when people make up their own history.<font color=blue>Rick wrote: And besides, Roger and Brian have all the right to use the name 'Queen'. There were the true founders of this band. Freddie joined them later on.you should learn the facts first brian may and roger taylor only formed the smile along with tim staffel freedie insigated the making of the group, and gave it it´s name nice to see that queen fans dont know the band´s history |
mike hunt 29.10.2006 01:52 |
I don't have a problem with brian and roger working with paul. I have a lot of respect for him as a singer/musician, just don't call it queen, how can you name a band queen without freddie mercury?....who say's people who don't like queen + paul are living in the past?....I can easily turn that around and say it's brian and roger and their stefords who are living in the past. How can brian and roger sink so low! |
FreMe 29.10.2006 06:04 |
This is rediculous, and it is splitting QZ in two! It's fair that they tour again, and if they just call themselfs Queen + PR, then it's a compromise.. But can we please stop this discussion? we should'nt argue about wich kind of Queenfan is the right to be, as long as we all like the band in one way or another! I will always perfer the original Queen, and I always will, but everybody has made their bloddy statement now! Lets move on please??? |
FreMe 29.10.2006 06:04 |
This is rediculous, and it is splitting QZ in two! It's fair that they tour again, and if they just call themselfs Queen + PR, then it's a compromise.. But can we please stop this discussion? we should'nt argue about wich kind of Queenfan is the right to be, as long as we all like the band in one way or another! I will always perfer the original Queen, and I always will, but everybody has made their bloddy statement now! Lets move on please??? |
Knute 29.10.2006 10:17 |
Yes calling themselves Queen + Paul Rodgers is a compromise. Even the music press mentioned it last year as a way of distiguishing itself from the classic Queen that everyone is familiar with. Now if the fucking ignorant-ass music press can "get it" and make a clear distinction, why are people on this and other fan sites having such a hard fucking time with it? Was there this much uproar over the Pepsi ad with Britney or with Queen + 5ive? |
Another Roger (re) 29.10.2006 13:40 |
Alright. I want to apologise for my anger in the opening post. I think I had a bad day or something. But sometimes I just get so fed up hearing how horrible Brian and Roger are touring with the Queensongs. If people dont like it they can choose to not buy it. They will never ruin anything from the past, more likely they will get more people into the original Queen. Queen will always be Fredde, Brian, Roger and John. But we will also see Queen without Freddie I think, but noone will ever replace him. But this has been discussed many times. I will buy the album anyway. Freddie havent written good songs for Queen for about 25 years. His 80s writing in Queen were a disgrace to me. Brian and Roger saved it. But thats my opinion. Freddie was always great live though |
Poo, again 29.10.2006 14:29 |
Queen can't go on without Freddie. It's not the same. |
flash! 28068 29.10.2006 14:37 |
<font color=pink>Evil Twin Brother of GB wrote: Queen can't go on without Freddie. It's not the same.Queen wouldn't be the same without Freddie, Brianne, Roger Taylore and Jon Dikon. |
Knute 29.10.2006 17:53 |
<font color=red>Flash! wrote:LOL!<font color=pink>Evil Twin Brother of GB wrote: Queen can't go on without Freddie. It's not the same.Queen wouldn't be the same without Freddie, Brianne, Roger Taylore and Jon Dikon. |
kenny8 29.10.2006 20:02 |
Yeah, let's close this thread with a laugh, huh? As the man said..."it's only a bloody record...." |
mike hunt 30.10.2006 00:29 |
Another Roger (re) wrote: Alright. I want to apologise for my anger in the opening post. I think I had a bad day or something. But sometimes I just get so fed up hearing how horrible Brian and Roger are touring with the Queensongs. If people dont like it they can choose to not buy it. They will never ruin anything from the past, more likely they will get more people into the original Queen. Queen will always be Fredde, Brian, Roger and John. But we will also see Queen without Freddie I think, but noone will ever replace him. But this has been discussed many times. I will buy the album anyway. Freddie havent written good songs for Queen for about 25 years. His 80s writing in Queen were a disgrace to me. Brian and Roger saved it. But thats my opinion. Freddie was always great live thoughI guess your not into the innuendo album, freddie wrote most of the material on that album. The song innuendo was mostly his, slightly mad, the hitman and a winter's tale from made in heaven. Some of my all time fav tracks were in his last days. "Roger" is easily the worst songwriter in queen in my opinion. |
queen+paul fan 30.10.2006 04:09 |
mike hunt wrote:I agree, actually he wrote a lot of good ones on the mircle/innuendo. Was it all worth it and the miracle was his and are solid songs. "Don't try so hard" is also all freddie. And we know about innuendo/slightly mad are brilliant.Another Roger (re) wrote: Alright. I want to apologise for my anger in the opening post. I think I had a bad day or something. But sometimes I just get so fed up hearing how horrible Brian and Roger are touring with the Queensongs. If people dont like it they can choose to not buy it. They will never ruin anything from the past, more likely they will get more people into the original Queen. Queen will always be Fredde, Brian, Roger and John. But we will also see Queen without Freddie I think, but noone will ever replace him. But this has been discussed many times. I will buy the album anyway. Freddie havent written good songs for Queen for about 25 years. His 80s writing in Queen were a disgrace to me. Brian and Roger saved it. But thats my opinion. Freddie was always great live thoughI guess your not into the innuendo album, freddie wrote most of the material on that album. The song innuendo was mostly his, slightly mad, the hitman and a winter's tale from made in heaven. Some of my all time fav tracks were in his last days. "Roger" is easily the worst songwriter in queen in my opinion. |
LadySonnet 30.10.2006 07:03 |
mike hunt wrote: I don't have a problem with brian and roger working with paul. I have a lot of respect for him as a singer/musician, just don't call it queen, how can you name a band queen without freddie mercury?....who say's people who don't like queen + paul are living in the past?....I can easily turn that around and say it's brian and roger and their stefords who are living in the past. How can brian and roger sink so low!EXCELLENT POINT, Mike! |
Tannya 30.10.2006 11:55 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:NEVERMIND...Tannya wrote:puta infeliz!! me cago en tu pechoM a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:OK You should be a little more intelligent and don´t ofense people. Shame on you!!!!!Tannya wrote: OK, then you should build your own website called ROGER TAYLOR AND BRIAN MAY + EVERYONE and create your own Forum. Let the real QUEEN FANS on QUEENZONE ok?. Q-U-E-E-N Z-O-N-E QUEEN = Freddie Mercury (yes FREDDIE MERCURY!), Roger Taylor, Brian May and John Deacon (YES JOHN DEACON!). Sorry, but this is a place where QUEEN FANS can share things about THE BAND and we love it with Freddie. Please don´t tell me what to do. Thank You!NO PUTA |
Queen-Obsessed 30.10.2006 12:42 |
I wasn't born until 2 months and a week before Freddie died so I never got to see them live Queen+PR is all I've got so while they aren't QUEEN as it was originally meant to be I am thankful that I can at least have them since I couldn't have Freddie |
Katastrophe Mercury 30.10.2006 13:10 |
this is kinda sad... why are we doing this? what's the point? what's left of Queen (Bri and Rog) will be Queen. you all act like Freddie was Queen end of discussion. sure, he gave the name, but say Freddie hadnt died and Brian left. then it wouldnt be Queen. say Roger left instead. then it wouldnt be Queen. even Johnny! say he left instead! THEN IT STILL WOULDNT BE QUEEN. Queen isnt Freddie. Queen is Freddie, Brian, Roger and John. sure i like Freddie a little bit more than the rest (like, 10% more) but i dont go bounding around pouting saying "Paul will never be Freddie!" i dont expect Paul to fill Freddie's shoes. no one should. 'sides, no ones making you listen to Q+PR. you can go off and listen to the 1973-1991 stuff. theres nothing wrong with that. but we're left with Brian and Roger, and they want to be called Queen. so in this instance, i say that brian and roger ARE Queen. and yes, John DID leave. can you blame him? he's got two kids still in school as far as i know. his 4 other children he had to miss out on cos of his music career. he wants to be a dad now. so let him be. and if Brian and Roger want to still be called Queen, then let them. they have the right to. cos they ARE Queen, they're just missing a few pieces. sheesh... |
Another Roger (re) 30.10.2006 17:43 |
"I guess your not into the innuendo album, freddie wrote most of the material on that album. The song innuendo was mostly his, slightly mad, the hitman and a winter's tale from made in heaven. Some of my all time fav tracks were in his last days. "Roger" is easily the worst songwriter in queen in my opinion." Hehe. When it comes to Innuendo I think its a perfect example on how good Brian May and Roger Taylor were. The best songs in there was made by them. These are the days of our lives and The Show must go on are the highlights for me. Songs like Delilah and The Hitman does nothing for me. I'm going slighly mad is a good song though. When it comes to Innuendo its more Roger Taylor than Freddie Mercury. Taylor even did the first vocals for that one. Freddie made that section in the middle, but it was a Roger Taylor idea, and mainly his song. |
mike hunt 31.10.2006 01:12 |
Another Roger (re) wrote: "I guess your not into the innuendo album, freddie wrote most of the material on that album. The song innuendo was mostly his, slightly mad, the hitman and a winter's tale from made in heaven. Some of my all time fav tracks were in his last days. "Roger" is easily the worst songwriter in queen in my opinion." Hehe. When it comes to Innuendo I think its a perfect example on how good Brian May and Roger Taylor were. The best songs in there was made by them. These are the days of our lives and The Show must go on are the highlights for me. Songs like Delilah and The Hitman does nothing for me. I'm going slighly mad is a good song though. When it comes to Innuendo its more Roger Taylor than Freddie Mercury. Taylor even did the first vocals for that one. Freddie made that section in the middle, but it was a Roger Taylor idea, and mainly his song. Innuendo musically was almost all freddie, but the lyrics were started by freddie and finished by roger. It doesn't take a genious to figure out who wrote the music for innuendo. If you know freddie and rogers history it should be obvious who wrote most of the song. Sorry to break the news to you!.... |
Another Roger (re) 31.10.2006 18:54 |
Roger Taylor came up with the idea for that song. He wrote the verses of the song. Unless you can show me FACTS that it wasnt Roger Taylors work I wont change my mind. |
Pandy Legend 13.11.2006 08:42 |
I heard (not 100% sure, but I'll throw it in) that Roger wrote the main core of Innuendo - that is the 3 "verses" ("While the sun hangs....", "While we live according....." and "If there's a god....") Freddie wrote the "You can be anything...." bit, which was going to be another song, but he was too ill or out of ideas to finish it so he suggested to Roger to try it in the middle of his song, in a similar way to what he did with Bo Rhap. The guitar bit was Brian's idea. So if you are going by "old Queen" rules, where the person who writes the lyrics gets the credit, then I guess it would be Taylor/Mercury. Also, I was under the impression that Don't Try So Hard was written by John and The Hitman by Brian. Going back to topic and an earlier point made saying that if a member of your family dies you don't replace them, well that is true, but families change and if a family member dies, do you then change your name? In fact, wouldn't it be considered disrespectful to change the family name? |
bitesthedust 13.11.2006 09:09 |
The Hitman was Freddie's song, with Brian's input. |
The Real Wizard 13.11.2006 23:23 |
Mr Debauchery wrote: The guitar bit was Brian's idea.Definitely not. They were written by Freddie. As stated above, Steve Howe said how Freddie had the guitar parts written out for him, note for note. Perhaps it was Brian's idea to reprise the guitar part with electric guitar, but he can hardly take creative credit for that. |
john bodega 14.11.2006 00:03 |
Hmmm. Considering everyone in Queen (and Dave Richards) have always said Innuendo was mostly Freddie's.... I fail to see why I should listen to some bumpkin say it was Roger's song. Group effort, sure, but it's Mercury through and through. One cannot claim that it's Roger's song because it has lots of drums in it. What, so he wrote Princes of the Universe as well? Ha-ha. |
mike hunt 14.11.2006 01:56 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Hmmm. Considering everyone in Queen (and Dave Richards) have always said Innuendo was mostly Freddie's.... I fail to see why I should listen to some bumpkin say it was Roger's song. Group effort, sure, but it's Mercury through and through. One cannot claim that it's Roger's song because it has lots of drums in it. What, so he wrote Princes of the Universe as well? Ha-ha.That's why there's so much disagreement about who was the main composer of Innuendo. We don't have any real proof of who wrote exactly what. What we do know for the most part is that freddie wrote the guitar part in the middle along with the operatic part "you can be anything you want to be" but the rest of the song is still up for debate. I still think it's mostly freddie, but roger might have done enough to get partial credit for the lryics. |
Drowse1 14.11.2006 17:54 |
I,ve been a Queen fan since 1973 & I think I,ve earned the right to say what I think. I went to Manchester to watch the Queen + PR gig with several friends but I just didn't think the formula worked well at all. I t wasn't that I don't like Paul as I have been a fan of his for even longer than I,ve been a Queen fan. He sounded great singing Free & Bad Company songs but his voice just didn't suit the Queen material they played. However, I have nothing against them playing & recording together if they wish. That IS their business. But as for them using the Queen name then I think we have the right to say no as this is NOT and never will be the Queen we know & love. |
teleman 14.11.2006 18:03 |
Drowse1 wrote: ...But as for them using the Queen name then I think we have the right to say no as this is NOT and never will be the Queen we know & love.We certainly have the right to express our opinions but in the end it's entirely up to them whether they use the name Queen or not. I personally like the sound of Paul Rodgers singing many Queen songs but that said it's not the same as with Freddie. |
Queenluv4Life 14.11.2006 19:46 |
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Queenluv4Life 14.11.2006 19:47 |
I dont have anything against Paul Rodgers but for me Queen isn't the same without our wonderful Freddie. |
thejack 15.11.2006 14:39 |
FUCK THOSE 2 DOG SHITS. New material from them is okay but has to be absolutely no queen NOT EVEN THE FUCKING TITLE. They are cowards in my eyes right now they are afraid to go make a new band or use a different title FUCKING COWARDLY DOG SHITS. We dont see the fucking Beatles ...! So why the fuck is there Queen? QUEEN FUCKING ENDED LIKE THE BEATLES! WE ONLY HAVE THE RECORDINGS LEFT OF THE BANDS!! Fuck those 2 dog shits and that wild fugly monkey in place of the original frontman! THOSE SHITS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FANS NOR FREDDIE |
Marcos Napier 18.11.2006 22:17 |
greaserkat wrote: Let talk about a band that had the same thing happend to its lead singer. The Doors. Are they the same band if the had replaced Jim a decade after he passed away??They tried, first with that Creed singer (who?) and with Cult's Ian Astbury (might have tried others before and after these 2). And as everybody knows, they sold millions of copies and tickets (NOT!). For the sake of comparison: Page and Plant. Are they Led Zeppelin? Well... sort of. But did they ever use the name of Zep in their P/P concerts? No. It's not "Zeppelin and Guests" or "Led and Jason Bonham". I saw them live in 96 (amazing - it was closer to a "true" Zep concert than a Queen+PR is to a "true" Queen concert) and a few minutes before the concert there was this group of fans walking around the stadium with a big banner that said "the dream isn't over, Zep is back" (or something). To them and their mushrooms, it was Zep, so what? They are calling themselves Queen. Fine, they own the name and it's not our *ahem* business. You are a huge Queen fan, and you go to one of these hybrid concerts. And the first song that is played isn't a Queen song. I'd feel cheated. |