| stringsrmagicalzey 09.10.2006 10:47 |
Dear Queen fans everywhere, Today is a very special day for all us Queen Mexican fans since we are celebrating the 25th Anniversary of the concerts Queen gave in our country. Queen first palyed live in Mèxico on 9th October 1981 in the Estadio Universitario in Monterrey. Later on, Queen played live both on Saturday 17th and Sunday 18th October 1981, in the Estadio Ignacio Zaragoza in Puebla. It was the first foreign rock group to give a live massive show in our country which made people travel from the different states in order to attend such great concerts. Queen in Mèxico 25th anniversary: link link It is an unforgettable memory which still remains in many of us. Best wishes, QUEEN FAN CLUB MEXICO link Francisco Arellano Hola fans de Queen : Hoy es un dìa muy especial para todos los fans de Queen en Mèxico, ya que celebramos el 25 aniversario de los conciertos de Queen en nuestro paìs. Un 9 de octubre como hoy, pero de 1981, Queen se presenta en concierto en Monterrey, en el Estadio Universitario. Los dìas sabado 17 y domingo 18 de octubre del mismo año, nos deleitaron con su magnìfico espectàculo en el estadio Ignacio Zaragoza en la ciudad de Puebla. Se tratò del primer grupo extranjero en presentar un espectàculo masivo en nuestro paìs, mismo que desplazara una gran cantidad de gente hacia estos estados. Queen en Mèxico 25 aniversario: link link Un recuerdo inolvidable cuya huella aùn permanece en muchos de nosotros. Saludos cordiales. QUEEN FAN CLUB México link Francisco Arellano |
| Mr.Jingles 09.10.2006 12:10 |
Queen is also celebrating 25 years of being ripped off by the Mexican concert promoters. |
| stringsrmagicalzey 09.10.2006 12:20 |
Hello: By the way at that time there were no Mexican promoters, the one involved in the Queen concerts was the Argentinian Josè Rota, who asked for help to a few Mexican people from some radio stations to get involved with the promotion.These people agreed to do so , and they did it for free. |
| Wiley 09.10.2006 14:25 |
Mi papá fue al concierto en Monterrey (yo tenía como mes y medio de edad) y estuvo genial. Deberían hacer algún tipo de festejo para conmemorarlo aquí en Monterrey, pero tengo entendido que los eventos del Club de Fans de México son en la Ciudad de México. Ya me he perdido más de uno, lamentablemente, pero de momento no me ha sido posible asistir. Alguien debería aclarar lo que sucedió en aquellos conciertos, porque creo que los mexicanos tenemos muy mala fama en estos sitios. :S |
| Tannya 09.10.2006 15:03 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Queen is also celebrating 25 years of being ripped off by the Mexican concert promoters.Unfortunately mexicans have a bad image because of that. However you must remember that there are great Mexican Queen fans also. So, don´t judges an entire country just because the actions of a few. In that case, I can say that all the germans are murderers, when obviously we know that they´re not. |
| Bobby_brown 09.10.2006 15:12 |
First it was the 3 second Puebla video, now we have 17 seconds Monterrey video. I´ve got tears in my eyes with such generosity from the Mexican Queen Fan Club! Take care |
| stringsrmagicalzey 09.10.2006 16:15 |
Hello, Today a executive from a famous tv network in Mèxico was interviewed on a radio station. We e-mailed him a question wondering if he really had a video from the Queen concerts in Mèxico as it has been rumoured for so many years. He replied he does not have any Queen live in Mexico video.He added that there is not an official recording of these concerts. So I think we must take into account that at that time it was not easy for people to do such recordings as it is now.Therefore the few attendants who had the opportunity to film it only have a few chunks , not the complete concerts. |
| The Real Wizard 09.10.2006 21:55 |
Some fan club you are. The "club" is the people who are running it. Let us at least *see* the pictures. You had to cover it with your stupid logos, as if you legally own them, but in reality, they were were taken by audience members... just like the videos. If you were a true fan club, then you'd give the footage away to your members since you don't legally own it. It's audience footage, not professionally shot footage owned by yourselves or Queen. Some other selfish prick from your petty fan club shared 3 seconds of horribly compressed footage from Puebla. Twenty seconds of footage from two of you isn't sharing, or "generosity". It's called taunting. We know you have the footage. Congratulations. Now stop with the "look what we have and what you can't have!!!!!" Share it all, or leave us alone. You don't need to prove to us that you're hoarding the footage for your selfish selves. |
| Saint Jiub 09.10.2006 22:23 |
Hoarding???? I thought that collectors were not forced to share their hard work. Are you going to demand that Drammen 82, Yamaguchi 79, Face It Alone and Assassin be immediately shared as well? Of course not ... and you should not have a double standard by demanding (in an abusive and insulting post) that these Mexican concert videos be shared. |
| The Real Wizard 09.10.2006 23:02 |
The difference is that the owners of the things you mentioned aren't publically taunting people with samples of what they refuse to share. I've been aware of the Puebla video for years. It wasn't until the samples showed up from Mexican fan club representatives that it got under my skin. |
| Saint Jiub 09.10.2006 23:15 |
There have been plenty of taunts for Face It Alone and Assassin. I remember snippets of studio version The Call were shared , but the full version was not. Besides, sharing snippets does not necessarily qualify as taunting in my opinion. Sharing of a snippet is just providing proof that something exists. |
| The Real Wizard 09.10.2006 23:17 |
Mike Van wrote: Sharing of a snippet is just providing proof that something exists.Yes, but it doesn't prove that it exists in full. We differ in opinion, but that's okay. My interest lies elsewhere now: This video appears to be from the first night in Puebla, 10-17-81. The video quality doesn't look blurry, so they surely have a low generation copy. Look at how clear the lights and stage look (aside from the digital compression of course). But what interests me most is the audio. The audio is from the exact same source as the best-sounding audio bootleg that was shared here a few months ago in mp3 format, which could mean that the video is 88 minutes long. But it's hard to see if the footage is actually properly synched to the audio, since these particular points of the video don't show Freddie or the band clearly - which was undoubtedly intentional. This presents us with some more questions. The audio bootleg has cuts between the songs, and it sounds like a tape recorder being flipped on and off, not a video camera. The sound quality of the mp3s is also much better than on the video. Let's note that when you copy videos, in most cases, the picture quality decreases before the audio does. And since the picture is of a low generation copy, and the audio sounds something like a 7th or 8th gen, then that presents the possibility that the video is silent (or has really bad sound) and that someone synched the audio from the common audio source to make it sound okay. And who knows, it the video and audio are from different sources, why couldn't the video be from the second night? I have no doubt that these Mexicans would go through such effort to leave us with this kind of uncertainty and questioning about how much footage is out there and how good it is. They've been playing games with us for years, and the games are clearly continuing. |
| YourValentine 10.10.2006 04:21 |
On English and Dutch FC conventions they also show videos they do not share with the general public and other websites have watermarks, too. It's not a Mexican issue. A while ago there was a fight between Mexican fans in the Sharing forum, so I do not believe that "these Mexicans" are trying to play some games with the rest of the world, they are just very different fans from one country. Mexican fans have always been nothing but friendly and polite to me and I don't feel good about the generalisation in your post, Bob. A Dutch Queen fan and previous hub owner shares 20 sec bits here on Queenzone and I never heard anybody say that "these Dutches" play games with "us". |
| onevsion 10.10.2006 09:28 |
I have to agree with Barbara Bob....! |
| The Real Wizard 10.10.2006 11:28 |
YourValentine wrote: On English and Dutch FC conventions they also show videos they do not share with the general public and other websites have watermarks, too. It's not a Mexican issue. A while ago there was a fight between Mexican fans in the Sharing forum, so I do not believe that "these Mexicans" are trying to play some games with the rest of the world, they are just very different fans from one country. Mexican fans have always been nothing but friendly and polite to me and I don't feel good about the generalisation in your post, Bob. A Dutch Queen fan and previous hub owner shares 20 sec bits here on Queenzone and I never heard anybody say that "these Dutches" play games with "us"When I refer to them as Mexicans, I don't mean it in a derogatory way. My apologies if it came across this way. But I feel the need to distinguish them because countless people from Mexico have been teasing collectors about the Mexico videos for years, more than anything/anyone else. They've emailed me dozens of times with pictures, samples, and promises to send cds/dvds that obviously won't be sent. It has become tiresome. It's when the fan club goes public with this kind of bogus "generosity" that I finally get fed up and feel the need to say my two cents. I feel this way towards anyone who teases with samples, never mind watermarking and purposely degrading the quality. If someone doesn't want to share something, then they don't have to. But if they want to tell us about their recording, then tell us how much exists, and share it all, or not at all. Don't hold some of it back. It only makes people want more, and that's an incredibly selfish thing to do to people, especially when it's something you don't legally own. I honestly am dumbfounded that anyone can see this kind of behaviour as being generous. How do you think people would have felt if I cut out songs from my Chicago shares? Would they have been grateful for the few songs they got, or would they ask for the rest of the songs, since they know I have them? I know there are tonnes of people who agree with me, but they won't speak up, because they are hanging onto hope that more will be shared - and that speaking up may diminish those chances. That's why so few people speak up about anything on this website. I know for a fact that I'm speaking for many, many people. Maybe someone else should start doing it, because I have to take the heat every time. |
| Wiley 10.10.2006 11:57 |
:( |
| YourValentine 10.10.2006 13:16 |
I don't speak for anybody, only myself. And I really do not understand why being Mexican has anything to do with the behaviour of one or two collectors. You made it sound like all Mexican fans behave in the same way when in fact you have an issue with the owner of the Puebla video. I have not heard about "countless" people from Mexico who "taunted" other fans, I know about 5 or 6 Mexican fans from the hub and one (Wiley) in person and I can only say that they are all relaxed and friendly. Please remember that you insult a lot of Mexican fans when you judge them all alike. |
| The Real Wizard 10.10.2006 13:22 |
I am not insulting all Mexican fans. Did you not read my post? I said it's people from Mexico who have done more taunting about these videos than any other video, more than anyone from any other country. I don't know how that translates to "all fans from Mexico are horrible people". I certainly didn't say that, so please don't put words in my mouth. I have spoken with nice Mexican fans myself, but the negative experiences by far outweigh the positive ones. Since your email address isn't public, they don't have the means to contact you, and time and time again fill your inbox with pictures, samples, and false promises. Sometimes they add you to their MSN, and hook you up with a bunch of their Mexican friends, one or two of whom "knows someone" who has the complete video. Pictures are sent to establish "friendship". Negotiation ensues. Sometimes a deal is made, and they promise to send their package first. But then they disappear off the face of the earth (coincidentally, of course). I have never encountered this kind of thing with fans outside of Mexico. You haven't been through this, but I have. Consider that before you automatically stand up for people whom you haven't dealt with yourself. I and many others have gone through this stuff for years. It's up to you if you want to believe me or not. I could use some support here from others, but they won't join me and speak up, because they know that the more honest we are about the way people from Mexico have been treating us over these videos, the less chances are that we'll see more footage. But I still speak up anyway because these things need to be said. |
| YourValentine 10.10.2006 14:08 |
Well, it's true that I don't use MSN and from what I hear that's a good thing. I am sorry about your bad experiences, I have only good ones. |
| The Real Wizard 10.10.2006 14:10 |
YourValentine wrote: Well, it's true that I don't use MSN and from what I hear that's a good thing.Haha, *now* you tell me. :) |
| Mr.Jingles 11.10.2006 09:14 |
I consider "these Mexicans" very inappropiate. "These Beaners" is more like it. ;-) |
| ARMANDO MARTINEZ 11.10.2006 10:53 |
Mr. Jingles wrote:I consider "these Mexicans" very inappropiate. "These Beaners" is more like it. ;-) If this was a joke, it isn't funny. If this is what you think about Mexicans, you're a narrow-minded idiot! A.M. |
| Wiley 11.10.2006 11:30 |
I can't believe that kind of phrase coming from someone born in fellow latinamerican country Colombia. Once again, if it was a joke, it is not a good one. If not, maybe living in the USA has clouded your reason. As Molotov wisely put it in their song: "No me llames frijolero, pinche gringo puñetero", haha :). Now, THAT IS A JOKE! :) In fact, I might even put the whole lyric.. "- Don't call me gringo, you fucking beaner, stay on your side of the god dammed river.. don't call me gringo, you beaner.. - No me digas beaner, mr. puñetero, te sacaré un susto por racista y culero, no me llames frijolero pinche gringo puñetero" This is from a song called "Frijolero" (Beaner) from mexican group Molotov, which talks about racism in the mexican-american border. Too bad some people are very narrow minded. One thing is to talk about the problems you've had with people from a certain country but the other is to fall in denigrating stereotypes. And.. news flash for you... building taller walls in the border solves NOTHING. |
| ARMANDO MARTINEZ 11.10.2006 11:40 |
Hi, Wiley! I'm a queenfan from Durango and I lived in Monterrey about 15 years ago! I would like if we can e-mail each other to discuss and trade things about queen! My e-mail: skorpman72@yahoo.com. It's nice to know that there still are big fans of Queen in Monterrey! cheers everybody and keep yourself alive! A.M. |
| The Real Wizard 11.10.2006 12:09 |
Okay, back to the subject at hand....... Here are some glorious old memories: link |
| Mr.Jingles 11.10.2006 12:13 |
I think I've been watching "Mind of Mencia" too much. In all seriousness, don't take matters too much to the heart. I have a Mexican brother in law, and a soon too be Mexican niece. I do appreciate all honest Mexican people, and I can tell you for sure that by far they outnumber the dishonest ones. If Molotov and Carlos Mencia can joke using the word "beaner", why can't I? OK, sure... I'm not Mexican, but it's just a joke about a derogatory term that racist people use constantly. Trust me, I'm Colombian and I know about derogatory terms. Yet, my apologies to anyone who felt offended. Remember, for every "beaner" trying to make a living in the U.S., there's a "redneck gringo" whinning about having their country stolen away while he sits on his ass watching NASCAR. ...looks like now I'll have to apologize to all the white trash crackers as well. |
| Wiley 11.10.2006 12:58 |
It's no problem for me Mr. Jingles, since I assumed you were joking. I consider that topic that Bob (SirGH) links to a true disgrace to the name and reputation of all mexican traders. I can see that it is most likely a depiction of the actual way many mexican traders conduct themselves but I know for sure I'm not like that. There's a bunch of cultural issues put in evidence in that post, like I've said before, and that leads to misundertandings. This doesn't rule out the posibility that there are assholes in my country, like there are those everywhere. I don't really think that the assholes per square kilometer ratio is bigger in Mexico than everywhere else. Yet, this jealous, informal and unreliable trader image is negative for the rest of us who are not like that... :S |
| Wiley 11.10.2006 13:04 |
Un an unrelated note and just to lighten up things over here, I'm seeing Shakira in concert this friday at Estadio Universitario, haha :). In 7 years that I've lived in Monterrey I only know the Rolling Stones played here in march this year and now Shakira. I don't recall any other shows in this stadium. U2 played Estadio Tecnológico, not Universitario. It should be a great show. I know Mr Jingles should think the same about his fellow Colombian beauty Shakira, haha :). I saw her in London in Party in the Park 2002 -the show where Brian and Roger were going to play with the WWRY cast but decided against it at the last minute- and then here in Monterrey in 2003 and she knows how to put up a great show. Estadio Universitario should be a riot on friday! :D See ya, Wiley |
| Mr.Jingles 11.10.2006 13:46 |
Wiley wrote: It should be a great show. I know Mr Jingles should think the same about his fellow Colombian beauty Shakira, haha :).I used to like Shakira before she sold out... ...and I'm not talking about selling out shows. |
| Wiley 11.10.2006 14:57 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: I used to like Shakira before she sold out... ...and I'm not talking about selling out shows.So I assume you don't like The Works or A Kind of Magic? haha :) Just kidding. Shakira's first album was very good, she was a very good composer and had lots of good songs. Her second album was good but I didn't listen to it as much as to the first. I haven't listened to her later releases, apart from what I've seen in videos or heard in radio. Yes, she most certainly sold out, like you say it, but she puts on a good show. It's not Queen, but it's good, haha :). I'm only going this time because a female friend wanted to go. Then I bought several tickets to re-sell them and so my ticket was free, hehe :). No harm done to my economy. |
| The Real Wizard 11.10.2006 14:59 |
Wiley wrote: It's no problem for me Mr. Jingles, since I assumed you were joking. I consider that topic that Bob (SirGH) links to a true disgrace to the name and reputation of all mexican traders. I can see that it is most likely a depiction of the actual way many mexican traders conduct themselves but I know for sure I'm not like that. There's a bunch of cultural issues put in evidence in that post, like I've said before, and that leads to misundertandings. This doesn't rule out the posibility that there are assholes in my country, like there are those everywhere. I don't really think that the assholes per square kilometer ratio is bigger in Mexico than everywhere else. Yet, this jealous, informal and unreliable trader image is negative for the rest of us who are not like that... :SI know you're not like that! I'm just reporting history as it is. I think I've made it clear that not every Mexican trader is like those ones I've dealt with. But I can't deny that they are the worst I've ever dealt with, and it was many, many people. |
| Mr.Jingles 12.10.2006 09:21 |
Wiley wrote:I'm not crazy about 'The Works', but 'A Kind of Magic' is one of my favorite Queen albums.Mr.Jingles wrote: I used to like Shakira before she sold out... ...and I'm not talking about selling out shows.So I assume you don't like The Works or A Kind of Magic? haha :) Just kidding. Shakira's first album was very good, she was a very good composer and had lots of good songs. Her second album was good but I didn't listen to it as much as to the first. I haven't listened to her later releases, apart from what I've seen in videos or heard in radio. Yes, she most certainly sold out, like you say it, but she puts on a good show. It's not Queen, but it's good, haha :). I'm only going this time because a female friend wanted to go. Then I bought several tickets to re-sell them and so my ticket was free, hehe :). No harm done to my economy. Now speaking of Shakira, you're talking about her first two albums, which I believe might be 'Piez Descalzos' and 'Donde Estan Los Ladrones'. In fact those two albums were her 3rd and 4th. The first 2 were only released in Colombia, and they were a commercial flop, that's why not many people know about them. It didn't bother me that Shakira recorded in English, but what bothered me is that the new tracks sounds so unoriginal and too mainstream pop. 'Whenever Wherever' was a good song though. What really made me despise Shakira was when she recorded that reggeaton shit 'La Tortura'. She really sold out by following the stupid trend. Anyone with an IQ over 80 can see that reggeaton is nothing but crap. |