Alfred77 08.10.2006 06:57 |
Hello everybody! I have one question to ask: in your opinion, during the Magic Tour, in which concert (according to bootlegs) Freddie gives his best vocal performance? Thank you |
on my way up 08.10.2006 07:35 |
He had some great nights during that tour. Check out the Stockholm,Leiden and Paris shows. After these shows his voice got worse. Then he had a revival in Vienna and Budapest where he was outstanding again!!Some people think of it as one of freddie's worst tours but I disagree, he had some great moments! |
thomasquinn 32989 08.10.2006 08:36 |
...but overall, his voice had never been in such lousy shape on tour. Sure, every tour had highlights for his voice, but Magic was worst, closely followed by Works. |
Dreamcast 08.10.2006 09:35 |
Mannheim , Knebworth and Budapest |
The Real Wizard 08.10.2006 10:38 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: ...but overall, his voice had never been in such lousy shape on tour. Sure, every tour had highlights for his voice, but Magic was worst, closely followed by Works.I'd say the Works tour was overall worse than the Magic tour. No Magic shows were as bad as Vienna 84. And by "bad", I don't mean his voice sounded awful. His range was just not there... I'd say the best ones have to be Stockholm and Leiden... right at the beginning of the tour. If Freddie had taken care of his voice throughout this tour (or any other tour for that matter), he would have sounded this good straight through to Knebworth. James LaBrie from Dream Theater sounds absolutely perfect on the Score DVD released this year, which was the final show of an 8-month world tour. He was flawlessly hitting notes on stage that Freddie hit in the studio three times in his life. |
bitesthedust 08.10.2006 10:42 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:How would you rate Freddie's vocals on the Berlin 86 gig?<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: ...but overall, his voice had never been in such lousy shape on tour. Sure, every tour had highlights for his voice, but Magic was worst, closely followed by Works.I'd say the Works tour was overall worse than the Magic tour. No Magic shows were as bad as Vienna 84. And by "bad", I don't mean his voice sounded awful. His range was just not there... I'd say the best ones have to be Stockholm and Leiden... right at the beginning of the tour. If Freddie had taken care of his voice throughout this tour (or any other tour for that matter), he would have sounded this good straight through to Knebworth. James LaBrie from Dream Theater sounds absolutely perfect on the Score DVD released this year, which was the final show of an 8-month world tour. He was flawlessly hitting notes on stage that Freddie hit in the studio three times in his life. |
The Real Wizard 08.10.2006 10:45 |
bitesthedust wrote: How would you rate Freddie's vocals on the Berlin 86 gig?I haven't listened to that show in a couple years, but I recall them sounding pretty good. Definitely better than Wembley. I'd say it was an average Magic show, which is good. So yeah... with LaBrie being the example, I'd say the "it's a long tour" excuse doesn't stand. Anyone can take care of their voice, and LaBrie is a prime example. He hasn't sung a bad show in years, since he got his new vocal instructor. I wish Freddie had done the same, but he was probably too stubborn. If his friends cared about him, I'm sure they would have suggested it at one point or another, and I wouldn't be surprised if he had shot them down... "Fuck off, dear... my voice is just fine". |
bitesthedust 08.10.2006 11:28 |
I own a lossless copy of Berlin 86, and was listening to it recently...I'd rate his voice as being better there than at Wembley, and the performance of "Forever" is one of the best they did, in my opinion. |
Rick 08.10.2006 12:24 |
Wembley 1986 is so overrated, damn overrated. It's really a below average show for him during that tour. As Bob said, shows like the Leiden ones or even better Stockholm, were damn great. Also, Wembley is full of overdubs. His best show during the Works tour? Simple, the very first show of that tour. One of his best vocal performances ever. |
on my way up 08.10.2006 12:42 |
I prefer 9/5/1985, he wa so creative during that show with great improvisations.I think it's better than Brussels 1984.It's my favourite freddie-show , together with newcastle'79 and the South-american shows from 1981 |
Rick 08.10.2006 13:56 |
on my way up wrote: I prefer 9/5/1985, he wa so creative during that show with great improvisations.I think it's better than Brussels 1984.It's my favourite freddie-show , together with newcastle'79 and the South-american shows from 1981True, Freddie was very creative and original during that show in Japan. But I was talking about his voice, which was best during the first Works-concert. Best sang-version of Break Free ever. (he sang all Works songs with 100% confidence) |
Asterik 08.10.2006 17:03 |
well I loved the Magic tour voice. A particualr highlight was Budapest I felt, what a version of Who Wants To Live Forever. |
My Melancholy Blues 08.10.2006 17:09 |
yeah, I think Wembley is kind of overrated. I go for Budapest, Knebworth. I've rarely heard Manheim, though. |
newcastle 86 08.10.2006 19:01 |
just a little ditty. Its so good to have a decent topic with good banter for a change, ive enjoyed reading the posts. |
stateside fan 08.10.2006 21:03 |
i agree with NC 86.good topic and great debate.my two cents says the first leiden show was the best.Perhaps SIR GH who im sure has heard all the shows can weigh in as i have only heard a handful. |
Joeker 09.10.2006 00:40 |
Budakon 79...that has to be his worst ever all time...he was like really sick that night but the other 3 rocked hardcore |
willem-jan 8923 09.10.2006 03:38 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:And still the guy is not mentioned in the "greatest live singer" topic. I agree with you, he's one of the best out there at the moment.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: ...but overall, his voice had never been in such lousy shape on tour. Sure, every tour had highlights for his voice, but Magic was worst, closely followed by Works.James LaBrie from Dream Theater sounds absolutely perfect on the Score DVD released this year, which was the final show of an 8-month world tour. He was flawlessly hitting notes on stage that Freddie hit in the studio three times in his life. |
Regor 09.10.2006 04:03 |
Maybe I am biased (being from cologne), but after a looooong search I finally got Cologne '86 from here (thanks to all of you for sharing so many great recordings) and I was blown away by the performance on that night. Reminds me of Budapest (maybe sped up a little ?), Queen rush through their set as if they can not wait to celebrate Bri's birthday ;-) and the energy-level is at maximum from the first bars of One Vision right until the end. Whaddaya think ? |
Rompez 09.10.2006 06:06 |
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The Real Wizard 09.10.2006 11:00 |
willem-jan wrote:Dream Theater is a band that most ignorant people will never know about, or begin to understand. I'll leave it at that!Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: James LaBrie from Dream Theater sounds absolutely perfect on the Score DVD released this year, which was the final show of an 8-month world tour. He was flawlessly hitting notes on stage that Freddie hit in the studio three times in his life.And still the guy is not mentioned in the "greatest live singer" topic. I agree with you, he's one of the best out there at the moment. |
luthorn 09.10.2006 13:38 |
newcastle 86 wrote: just a little ditty. Its so good to have a decent topic with good banter for a change, ive enjoyed reading the posts.speaking of ditty. Listen to Ditty Bops on their website link great vocals on par with Freddie's. |
on my way up 13.10.2006 16:37 |
<font color=blue>Rick wrote:I see what you mean.Those Works-songs sounded incredible in brussels, especially IWTBF as you say!Great version of Bohemian Rhapsody too ,if I remeber correctly.I'll listen to that again.on my way up wrote: I prefer 9/5/1985, he wa so creative during that show with great improvisations.I think it's better than Brussels 1984.It's my favourite freddie-show , together with newcastle'79 and the South-american shows from 1981True, Freddie was very creative and original during that show in Japan. But I was talking about his voice, which was best during the first Works-concert. Best sang-version of Break Free ever. (he sang all Works songs with 100% confidence) |
The Real Wizard 29.10.2006 20:21 |
luthorn wrote:Okay, I had to bring this one back. Everyone needs to check out this website and watch the video clips. They are incredible! I love the harmonies, the musicianship is nothing short of brilliant, and the music is soooooooo cleverly written. Check out the violin solo on Sister Kate. Holy crap! Amazing stuff. He reminds me of what David Wilcox would look like with a violin. I'll be buying a cd from the Ditty Bops immediately!newcastle 86 wrote: just a little ditty. Its so good to have a decent topic with good banter for a change, ive enjoyed reading the posts.speaking of ditty. Listen to Ditty Bops on their website link great vocals on par with Freddie's. |
mike hunt 30.10.2006 00:47 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Are you saying if you don't like dream theater your ignorant?...are you kidding me?...dream theater has been played on the radio plenty a times, but know one gives a shit about them. Why?...it's simple, they have no feeling or soul, sure the singer has a srong voice and range, but without feeling or soul (freddie and others) what good is it.willem-jan wrote:Dream Theater is a band that most ignorant people will never know about, or begin to understand. I'll leave it at that!Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: James LaBrie from Dream Theater sounds absolutely perfect on the Score DVD released this year, which was the final show of an 8-month world tour. He was flawlessly hitting notes on stage that Freddie hit in the studio three times in his life.And still the guy is not mentioned in the "greatest live singer" topic. I agree with you, he's one of the best out there at the moment. |
The Real Wizard 30.10.2006 23:59 |
mike hunt wrote:No, of course not. I said "most". Allow me to clarify: I was generally referring to people who look outside the mainstream for decent rock music, usually because the mainstream doesn't fulfill them anymore. Chances are, these kinds of people will eventually come across Dream Theater. Naturally, not everyone will like them, but plenty of people like myself have found them to be incredibly liberating in today's world of formulaic and simplistic music in the mainstream. Like anything that differs from the mainstream sound and is stylistically diverse, DT are an acquired taste. The general reason why DT and most other bands of their genre aren't commercially successful is because they are far over the heads of the mainstream (not to imply for a second that commercial success is something that all artists strive for). The majority of the listening audience doesn't understand how 15/8 time and classical/jazz structures can be appealing - nor are they required to. That's the beauty of music, and art in general. There's something for everyone.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Dream Theater is a band that most ignorant people will never know about, or begin to understand. I'll leave it at that!Are you saying if you don't like dream theater your ignorant? dream theater has been played on the radio plenty a times, but know one gives a shit about them. Why?...it's simple, they have no feeling or soul, sure the singer has a srong voice and range, but without feeling or soul (freddie and others) what good is it.Interesting how you mentioned the singer first, when even many the group's most hardcore fans say James Labrie is the weakest link in the band. The four instrumentalists are the ones who have most of the talent and musical ability... far beyond the comprehension of most musicians, never mind the average person listening to the music. Petrucci/Myung/Rudess/Portnoy are the ones who write all the music, and they are the reason why DT are the forerunners of progressive rock/metal these days. But James is still perfect for the band. As for finding "soul" or "emotion", it's all a matter of opinion. It all depends on what triggers the emotions in the listener. All kinds of people find emotion in Queen, REM, Bach, Yes, Miles Davis, Marilyn Manson, Neil Diamond, The Dixie Chicks, Metallica, Bela Bartok, and Simple Plan. But rarely will you find someone who finds emotion in *all* of these artists. Just because Dream Theater, Marilyn Manson, or The Bee Gees haven't found a soft spot in you doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else. Clearly, plenty of people find Dream Theater's music appealing on many levels. As for their emotional side, tracks like Learning To Live, Hell's Kitchen, The Spirit Carries On, Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence, and Octavarium come to mind. But if you don't like DT, then that's perfectly fine. But don't go off saying "no one gives a shit about them", because that's a horribly misguided thing to say. DT are probably the biggest non-mainstream band in the world right now. Can you name 5 other bands in the history of music that have been popular - and sustained their popularity for 15 years - in North America, South America, Europe, and Japan? |
mike hunt 31.10.2006 01:58 |
can't argue with what you got to say. In my opinion people are always going to try to put down the best, people who say "james labrie hits higher notes live than freddie did in the studio" "or some young guitarist could play faster than brian may" who cares?...what point are you trying to make?...We all agree there's more to singing than hitting high notes and range. people like elvis and freddie are always gonna be compared to by newer singers, not because they sang higher than everyone else, it's more about the emotion they brought into their singing. I'm not saying freddie mercury was the best vocalist ever, and brian may is the greatest guitarist of all time, but their definitly among the greatest in rock history!...sometimes we lose site of that on this site, me included. |