QueenZone discussion #891015
Flac Nazis
| Saint Jiub 02.10.2006 00:17 |
link No downloads for you! The draconian, arian ways of the flac nazis reminds me of Seinfeld's Soup Nazi episode. It astounds me how a few arrogant people can try to determine what people can download, and what format they can share it in. More astounding is that the flac nazis can detect lossy formats with a frequency analyzer, but instead insist on a total ban of mp3's and blacklisting of those that convert from flac to mp3. The arrogance of this arien race of flac nazis is unbelievable. They immediately disparrage the intelligence of anyone who downloads, shares or listens to mp3's. The RIAA already tells me me that I can not listen to bootlegs. I'll be damned If I will let a flac nazi tell me what I can listen to. The real reason that flac nazis want to shut down mp3 sharing is that it keeps rare stuff rare and maintains the value of their collections. We gotta kick these fucking nazis. |
| L-R-TIGER1994 02.10.2006 00:32 |
Are you ok? |
| Smitty 02.10.2006 01:35 |
SMITTY agrees with what L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: Are you ok? |
| Sithmarauder 02.10.2006 08:23 |
What the FUCK does this have to do with sharing music. Keep this crap off this site. Your picture indicates your an adult but this post is childish. This post needs to be deleted. |
| coops 02.10.2006 09:10 |
Your comments may offend some of the local flac nazis who hang around this site. Cool |
| Sithmarauder 02.10.2006 09:29 |
coops wrote: Your comments may offend some of the local flac nazis who hang around this site. CoolRichard needs to somehow show a list of IPS along with share ratios so that we can block the arrogant people who just leech from here and post offending nonsense. |
| Sithmarauder 02.10.2006 09:42 |
Sithmarauder wrote:coops wrote: Your comments may offend some of the local flac nazis who hang around this site. Cool |
| coops 02.10.2006 10:51 |
Smithmarauder, what are you talking about? Is there a rule that says downloading not allowed unless you post something? In 3 years I have downloaded 4-5 concerts and have always posted a thank you note to the person making the file available, rather than a note to the effect of "why are you posting in mp3 and not flac"?, which I think is what the original post here was alluding to. |
| Sithmarauder 02.10.2006 11:22 |
coops wrote: Smithmarauder, what are you talking about? Is there a rule that says downloading not allowed unless you post something? In 3 years I have downloaded 4-5 concerts and have always posted a thank you note to the person making the file available, rather than a note to the effect of "why are you posting in mp3 and not flac"?, which I think is what the original post here was alluding to.It wasn't directed at your post though I used your quote and it does seem that way. No there isn't a rule about downloading without uploading but the ones who arent uploading should keep these kind of comments to themselves. What the fuck does Sir GH trying to educate people on FLAC have to do with Nazism? I admit, I don't agree with everything he says but he makes some sense about FLAC. I used your quote because (surprising to me)you support such comments. Yes I am aware that you are one of the thankful ones. Maybe I should clarify, I would want to block the arrogant leechers from my shares. Better? = ) Yes, I admit, I used bad wording. |
| coops 02.10.2006 12:24 |
I understand. I see a lot of people complaining about file formats rather than just be thankfull the damm thing is available at all. Also, this whole flac v mp3 thing is a moot point when dealing with, for the most part, very poor audio quality. I am involved with audio daily and have found very few people who can tell the difference between source material on a reference system, and 2nd gen mp3 at 192kbs. Those that can tell the difference are usually very familiar with the recording and only then, they are are not positive of the difference. So with a crappy sounding bootleg, well you get the picture. Nazi is kind of a strong word and does seem to be bandied about a lot these days, but I see the humor in it particularly as it is being used with the soup nazi as an analogy. Bottom line, if a Queenzoner cannot appreciate the work and time someone puts into making a file available, don't download it and keep quite. Do not type 9 say in really whinny voice) " but it's not flac. I need flac. Whaa whaaa" |
| Sithmarauder 02.10.2006 12:47 |
I'm not really offended by the word Nazi though i'm half German. I just don't think certain things should be posted here. Yes, I do see that there was humor intended but it can backfire. I think that more people who is not knowledgeable of FLAC should learn enough to be able to download it and convert it for personal use. It would benefit them because there's a lot of great shows in FLAC that are being shared in other Bit sites. My collection is growing because I learned how to DL FLAC and convert. I just downloaded 3 shows over the weekend that were from master recordings, 2 of which I never seen in QZ before. Unfortunately, the person requested not to share in MP3 so I will respect that request. I will be posting some shows here that I have ( from QZ) in MP3 that are excellent in sound. But I will not convert my FLACs to share as MP3. |
| lucame 02.10.2006 15:58 |
retard like this poster should be shot when they are born. FLAC is the superior format, mp3 are gay and you too. |
| Another Person 02.10.2006 19:53 |
we are all gay |
| The Real Wizard 03.10.2006 00:03 |
Mike Van wrote: link No downloads for you! The draconian, arian ways of the flac nazis reminds me of Seinfeld's Soup Nazi episode. It astounds me how a few arrogant people can try to determine what people can download, and what format they can share it in. More astounding is that the flac nazis can detect lossy formats with a frequency analyzer, but instead insist on a total ban of mp3's and blacklisting of those that convert from flac to mp3. The arrogance of this arien race of flac nazis is unbelievable. They immediately disparrage the intelligence of anyone who downloads, shares or listens to mp3's. The RIAA already tells me me that I can not listen to bootlegs. I'll be damned If I will let a flac nazi tell me what I can listen to. The real reason that flac nazis want to shut down mp3 sharing is that it keeps rare stuff rare and maintains the value of their collections. We gotta kick these fucking nazis.Go to Dime and TTD and make that post. Let's see how long you'd last there. I'd assume about one hour. Stop playing victim, especially when you're someone who refuses to learn how the world of collecting works. I'll post this in every topic if need be: The minute this website enforces a non-mp3 policy, and users make it unanimously clear that lossless is the only to go, dozens of fantastic recordings will be shared here by me. Mark my word. I look forward to this day. |
| coops 03.10.2006 00:24 |
Sir GH, forgive me if I am a little slow You say once the site mandates all downloads are flac, you will make files available. Why do you not make them available anyway? |
| The Real Wizard 03.10.2006 00:59 |
coops wrote: Sir GH, forgive me if I am a little slow You say once the site mandates all downloads are flac, you will make files available. Why do you not make them available anyway?I've explained this in a few topics over the past couple days: /queenzone/888776.html /queenzone/891141.html /queenzone/884553.html |
| tgunn2760 03.10.2006 02:47 |
Coops wrote: "Sir GH, forgive me if I am a little slow You say once the site mandates all downloads are flac, you will make files available. Why do you not make them available anyway?" TTD is all lossless trading. He hasn't shared anything there, but says he will, "in the coming WEEKS". You know there are 52 WEEKS in a year, right? Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen, but you may want to join TTD and JAMTOTHIS, good files become available from time to time. In TTD you can download two Queen DVDs, HAMMERSMITH 1975 and HOUSTON 1977. |
| The Real Wizard 03.10.2006 05:21 |
tgunn2760 wrote: You know there are 52 WEEKS in a year, right?Just keep serving that ego of yours. You're doing a fine job so far. |
| lucame 03.10.2006 14:29 |
Sir GH is very much right, and i am glad that the kind of fucking morong that posted this thread cannot last on DIME or TTD. MP3 is for retarded people, fuck them |
| cougar2400 07.10.2006 07:51 |
lucame wrote: Sir GH is very much right, and i am glad that the kind of fucking morong that posted this thread cannot last on DIME or TTD. MP3 is for retarded people, fuck themFrom what i have seen in the time I have been coming here to QZ, the people who like MP3 seem to be peopel who want a quicker download and.or don't have alot of Hard drive space. They don't seem to care if flac is better than MP3, they just want the show to listen to. On other sites, people would rather have the best quality of show in flac form and couldn't care less about file size. Too each his own I guess.. Yep.. I'm still around here... For the last few months I have been quietly seeding alot of the shows I have gotten from here. No need to thank me, I'm just carrying on so that others can share in the enjoyment too.. :) |
| thomasquinn 32989 07.10.2006 09:14 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Which is how it was before the tracker became open to the public for posting. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a 'back to the old days' person, but I do think this proves that the MP3-invasion discourages people from posting the interesting stuff.Mike Van wrote: link No downloads for you! The draconian, arian ways of the flac nazis reminds me of Seinfeld's Soup Nazi episode. It astounds me how a few arrogant people can try to determine what people can download, and what format they can share it in. More astounding is that the flac nazis can detect lossy formats with a frequency analyzer, but instead insist on a total ban of mp3's and blacklisting of those that convert from flac to mp3. The arrogance of this arien race of flac nazis is unbelievable. They immediately disparrage the intelligence of anyone who downloads, shares or listens to mp3's. The RIAA already tells me me that I can not listen to bootlegs. I'll be damned If I will let a flac nazi tell me what I can listen to. The real reason that flac nazis want to shut down mp3 sharing is that it keeps rare stuff rare and maintains the value of their collections. We gotta kick these fucking nazis.Go to Dime and TTD and make that post. Let's see how long you'd last there. I'd assume about one hour. Stop playing victim, especially when you're someone who refuses to learn how the world of collecting works. I'll post this in every topic if need be: The minute this website enforces a non-mp3 policy, and users make it unanimously clear that lossless is the only to go, dozens of fantastic recordings will be shared here by me. Mark my word. I look forward to this day. |
| 928 07.10.2006 09:31 |
cougar2400 wrote:So the real fans are the ones who get what format you think.The lossy or the lossless?lucame wrote: Sir GH is very much right, and i am glad that the kind of fucking morong that posted this thread cannot last on DIME or TTD. MP3 is for retarded people, fuck themFrom what i have seen in the time I have been coming here to QZ, the people who like MP3 seem to be peopel who want a quicker download and.or don't have alot of Hard drive space. They don't seem to care if flac is better than MP3, they just want the show to listen to. On other sites, people would rather have the best quality of show in flac form and couldn't care less about file size. Too each his own I guess.. Yep.. I'm still around here... For the last few months I have been quietly seeding alot of the shows I have gotten from here. No need to thank me, I'm just carrying on so that others can share in the enjoyment too.. :) Lossless is obviously superior and is 1st in line. Its not a case of flac fool,...its a case of lossless.Flac,shn,ape whatever..just lossless,how it was on the night. |
| josedequeso 04.10.2007 00:08 |
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| Cygnus X-1 04.10.2007 03:13 |
Flac Nazis...Arien race... say that to someone here in Germany and you get your damn ass kicked! The Holocoust and WWII cost millions of lifes and you use the word "Nazi" for Flac users? What you learned in school as a kid??? |
| Leaky Luke 04.10.2007 07:44 |
lucame wrote: Sir GH is very much right, and i am glad that the kind of fucking morong that posted this thread cannot last on DIME or TTD. MP3 is for retarded people, fuck themI'm making a cd for a friend.. I wanted to give her the most concerts I could get.. she is pleased with mp3 concerts and that will save me a lot of DVDs. So I convert the flacs to mp3s for my own use and don't share them afterwards. Does that make me a retard? I prefer flacs of mp3, but sometimes people are satisfied with mp3s and they have a purpose sometimes. |
| Cygnus X-1 04.10.2007 08:04 |
Leaky Luke wrote:There's nothing wrong with Mp3 for personal use, I even convert some shows for my Ipod.lucame wrote: Sir GH is very much right, and i am glad that the kind of fucking morong that posted this thread cannot last on DIME or TTD. MP3 is for retarded people, fuck themI'm making a cd for a friend.. I wanted to give her the most concerts I could get.. she is pleased with mp3 concerts and that will save me a lot of DVDs. So I convert the flacs to mp3s for my own use and don't share them afterwards. Does that make me a retard? I prefer flacs of mp3, but sometimes people are satisfied with mp3s and they have a purpose sometimes. As long as they don't hit the trading pool! Some don't seem to understand this whole discussion; there's nothing against Mp3's as such, but when it comes to sharing, it should be in the best possible quality - and that's flac! All other trading communities live by that rule, only QZ still allows lossy sharing :-( |
| cexycy 04.10.2007 09:08 |
Mike Van wrote: link No downloads for you! The draconian, arian ways of the flac nazis reminds me of Seinfeld's Soup Nazi episode. It astounds me how a few arrogant people can try to determine what people can download, and what format they can share it in. More astounding is that the flac nazis can detect lossy formats with a frequency analyzer, but instead insist on a total ban of mp3's and blacklisting of those that convert from flac to mp3. The arrogance of this arien race of flac nazis is unbelievable. They immediately disparrage the intelligence of anyone who downloads, shares or listens to mp3's. The RIAA already tells me me that I can not listen to bootlegs. I'll be damned If I will let a flac nazi tell me what I can listen to. The real reason that flac nazis want to shut down mp3 sharing is that it keeps rare stuff rare and maintains the value of their collections. We gotta kick these fucking nazis.I'm not sure if I agree with you on the Nazi bit, however I do understand where your coming from. I believe that if people want to share MP3s, let them, it's no big deal really. |
| cexycy 04.10.2007 19:53 |
Cygnus X-1 wrote:What if Flac isn't available?Leaky Luke wrote:There's nothing wrong with Mp3 for personal use, I even convert some shows for my Ipod. As long as they don't hit the trading pool! Some don't seem to understand this whole discussion; there's nothing against Mp3's as such, but when it comes to sharing, it should be in the best possible quality - and that's flac! All other trading communities live by that rule, only QZ still allows lossy sharing :-(lucame wrote: Sir GH is very much right, and i am glad that the kind of fucking morong that posted this thread cannot last on DIME or TTD. MP3 is for retarded people, fuck themI'm making a cd for a friend.. I wanted to give her the most concerts I could get.. she is pleased with mp3 concerts and that will save me a lot of DVDs. So I convert the flacs to mp3s for my own use and don't share them afterwards. Does that make me a retard? I prefer flacs of mp3, but sometimes people are satisfied with mp3s and they have a purpose sometimes. What if people do not have the facilities to play flac files? Come on, give people a chance, MP3 is better than nothing at the end of the day. |
| josedequeso 04.10.2007 21:00 |
Mike Van's Comment 1 year from now on Queenzone The FLAC Nazis came… First they came for the WMAs, and I did not speak out— because I did not listen to WMAs; Then they came for the DIVX videos, and I did not speak out— because I was not a DIVX watcher; Then they came for the AAC files, and I did not speak out— because I do not have AAC files; Then they came for the MPEG videos, and I did not speak out— because I was not a fan of MPEG video; Then they came for me, the MP3 sharers— and there was no one left to speak out for me. Mike Van, you can’t be serious if you’re comparing us to Nazis. As a second generation Polish immigrant, whose grandparents fled Poland at the beginning of the war, I take offense to your careless comparison of the most disgraceful incident in human history. I truly feel embarrassed to call you a fellow American. I sincerely hope you don’t vote because there are enough idiots voting already. You can have your opinions on mp3s, but please, for the good of your soul, don't lower yourself to calling people Nazis. |
| Cygnus X-1 05.10.2007 01:27 |
cexycy wrote:If a show isn't available in a lossless format, well than mp3 IS indeed better than nothing!Cygnus X-1 wrote:What if Flac isn't available? What if people do not have the facilities to play flac files? Come on, give people a chance, MP3 is better than nothing at the end of the day.Leaky Luke wrote:There's nothing wrong with Mp3 for personal use, I even convert some shows for my Ipod. As long as they don't hit the trading pool! Some don't seem to understand this whole discussion; there's nothing against Mp3's as such, but when it comes to sharing, it should be in the best possible quality - and that's flac! All other trading communities live by that rule, only QZ still allows lossy sharing :-(lucame wrote: Sir GH is very much right, and i am glad that the kind of fucking morong that posted this thread cannot last on DIME or TTD. MP3 is for retarded people, fuck themI'm making a cd for a friend.. I wanted to give her the most concerts I could get.. she is pleased with mp3 concerts and that will save me a lot of DVDs. So I convert the flacs to mp3s for my own use and don't share them afterwards. Does that make me a retard? I prefer flacs of mp3, but sometimes people are satisfied with mp3s and they have a purpose sometimes. But anyone can play flac files on his computer -you just need winamp or other free programs. 'cmon , it's 2007!! These shows are historical documents -and should be handled like that. Its so easy nowadays to get these recordings, you not have even pay for them! Before internet sharing, I spend a lot of money on record fairs, buying bootleg Cd's for sometimes big money. (and having the risk spending money for a crappy sounding or misslabeled show). Today, there's just a click, wait a few hours and you have it -for free! Why it's such a problem for some in here to care at least about quality prevention? I don't get it.. |
| bohemianmoomin 05.10.2007 08:34 |
I don't understand why there is even a debate...it seems logical that lossless is for sharing and mp3 is for personal use...where is the problem there? No one wants to get a boot that has been circulating amongst 5 or 6 people and losing quality every time! Most of the FLAC concerts I download that I wish to keep I convert to mp3 for my own personal use IE mp3 player, but I wouldn't share something that I had reduced the quality of because that doesnt seem fair on anyone else who wanted to hear the concert in the best possible quality. |
| thunderbolt 31742 06.10.2007 05:09 |
Mike Van wrote: link No downloads for you! The draconian, arian ways of the flac nazis reminds me of Seinfeld's Soup Nazi episode. It astounds me how a few arrogant people can try to determine what people can download, and what format they can share it in. More astounding is that the flac nazis can detect lossy formats with a frequency analyzer, but instead insist on a total ban of mp3's and blacklisting of those that convert from flac to mp3. The arrogance of this arien race of flac nazis is unbelievable. They immediately disparrage the intelligence of anyone who downloads, shares or listens to mp3's. The RIAA already tells me me that I can not listen to bootlegs. I'll be damned If I will let a flac nazi tell me what I can listen to. The real reason that flac nazis want to shut down mp3 sharing is that it keeps rare stuff rare and maintains the value of their collections. We gotta kick these fucking nazis.#1: It's "Aryan." #2: Dumbass. |
| ParisNair 22.12.2007 13:43 |
Hello Before joining QZ I did not know that FLAC existed, and till then all the music I had was mp3; I would even rip audio CDs to mp3.... Indeed my first audio downloads here were in mp3 but going thru a few interesting "FLAC/Lossless VS mp3/lossy" discussions educated me on the different formats/quality audio is available in. I stopped downloadng mp3 to start with, then started downloading in FLAC when people started sharing those on rapidshare/mediafire. I have tremendous respect for Sir GH for his knowledge and experience and his no-nonsense posts in discussuions. His reasons for making this a losseless only forum are obviously from the point of view of a trader, however it will also be beneficial for the rest of us fans who are "casual" collectors - 1) the material that is distributed and preserved by the people will be in the best quality possible. 2) according to Sir GH it will also lead to more shows from so far unknown/uncommon sources of recordings to surface. This one reason should be enough for the community to share in losssless. YourValentine has made it clear that no restrictions would be imposed on the format of material shared here - which is understandable, this forum is supposed to be for all types of people as long as they are Queen fans, and not just for traders. I feel that creating seperate forums for the two formats would not be the correct thing to do - it was rightly pointed out somewhere that it would only mean that Queenzone is OKaying/encouraging lossy shares. Under the circumstances I believe we should educate each other so that people realise the importance of sharing in high quality. You dont have to know the technicalities, just the purpose, I think. The sharing people should self-censor. If someone has a particular show in mp3 and wants to share it with the others, they can first post their intention to do so before actually uploading the files, and if someone has the same show in FLAC and is willing to share, they can let the original poster know and share the same. Pleople can download and convert it to whichever format, as long as its for personal use. Sir GH has mentioned in one of his posts that sharing in rapidshare is not good...or something like that.I would appreciate if anyone could elaborate what he actually meant. To YV and the other moderators and all the sharers/members - I thank you sooo very much for all the great shares and the (although very few) great discussions you have indulged in on this site. Eventhough I have been a silent spectator (I've been here since 1996 would you believe it?), I've felt like being very much a part of it. Just appreciating and enjoying the music is not enough, preserving the legacy of the band is also the duty of the true fan. Regards, P Nair |
| The Real Wizard 22.12.2007 17:57 |
ParisNair wrote: Sir GH has mentioned in one of his posts that sharing in rapidshare is not good...or something like that.I would appreciate if anyone could elaborate what he actually meant.Nope, I definitely didn't say that. The only problem with rapidshare is that you have to take a lot of time between downloads... unless you pay, of course. Other than that, the site is as good as any other. Otherwise, fantastic post! |
| ParisNair 22.12.2007 19:13 |
Thank you for responding, and for the compliment : )
All it takes is one person to ask for something to be converted to mp3 and shared on rapidshare, and then the recording is ruined. Just count the number of posts that say, "can someone convert to mp3 and upload it to rapidshare?", because they're too lazy to learn about FLAC and/or bit-torrent.I was talking about these comments (from another post) but the mistake is mine, I missed the context. I'm sure some people have mentioned that sharing should be done only in torrents, so I guess I got confused. One more thing Sir GH - obviously you have been a collector for very many years, but your profile says you have been a fan since only 1992. Would like to know the story behaind that, you can post here when you have time - link Regards, P Nair |
| The Real Wizard 23.12.2007 11:47 |
Just send me an email, and we'll have a chat! Check out my website too if you'd like. |