| mv45 28.09.2006 16:11 |
For the interested - currently ebay is having an auction for a father to son acetate. Does anyone has any information on this disc? It claims to be a different version as the one released. Rgds, Mark |
| Penetration_Guru 28.09.2006 18:29 |
There will be a button somewhere with "contact seller" on it. The person on the other end of that button can answer your question better than we can. |
| mv45 29.09.2006 01:40 |
funny - i was in fact wondering whether this specific disc was known by any of the collectors here, whether any of the reliable people here knew where this disc came from, had been offered this one before personally, knew about the history of the disc etc. I know that in many cases, ebay sellers wil be very good sales men, if you know what i mean Did anyone come across this acetate before? |
| Jjeroen 29.09.2006 04:53 |
This specific one? No. But one rarely comes across an acetate with the same tracks twice in a lifetime. Realise that acetates were moslty pressed in an amount that is countable on one hand. |
| The Real Wizard 29.09.2006 15:10 |
This is the kind of record that separates the men from the boys... haha. If I only had the money... |
| wstüssyb 29.09.2006 15:11 |
Whats the going price now? |
| wstüssyb 29.09.2006 15:13 |
Nevermind, I thought it already ended. Figure it will go over $500 easy |
| Deacon Fan 29.09.2006 15:19 |
Oh, this one? link :-P |
| Penetration_Guru 29.09.2006 15:43 |
Isn't this just the sort of thing QPL should be buying up? |
| radio_what's_new 29.09.2006 16:40 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Isn't this just the sort of thing QPL should be buying up?Not if it contains the regular mix |
| The Real Wizard 29.09.2006 16:54 |
Why would they waste the time and money to press an acetate with the final mix? An acetate was meant to create a document of a work in progress. They listen to it a few times, then discard it. |
| Deacon Fan 29.09.2006 17:22 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Why would they waste the time and money to press an acetate with the final mix? An acetate was meant to create a document of a work in progress. They listen to it a few times, then discard it.Hehe, I'm never one to pretend to be an expert on things I have very little knowledge of, but I do in fact know that one of the main purposes of cutting an acetate is to see how a song 'cuts' as a record. So it's not necessarily reserved for early mixes/versions. Could easily be the final mix if it played well without distortion and such. It's been noted numerous times that Queen liked to push levels as high as they could. Could be the usual mix but a test to see how loud they get it, or something :) |
| Wilki Amieva 29.09.2006 21:04 |
I have several reference acetates/tapes/CDs and some of them DO have the final mixes. |
| radio_what's_new 29.09.2006 21:20 |
Exactely... The purpose of making an acetate is to test/hear how the sound will be on vinyl. If it's good then the exact same version will be pressed on vinyl... For everyone who likes this topic I found a cool documentary about acetates, testpressings and how they are made. link |
| The Real Wizard 29.09.2006 22:06 |
Bubbles! wrote: Hehe, I'm never one to pretend to be an expert on things I have very little knowledge of, but I do in fact know that one of the main purposes of cutting an acetate is to see how a song 'cuts' as a record. So it's not necessarily reserved for early mixes/versions. Could easily be the final mix if it played well without distortion and such.Interesting stuff. I stand corrected! Thanks for the info, Bubbles. |
| Lester Burnham 29.09.2006 22:13 |
We could always ask Greg about his opinion on this matter, but he's too busy stirring up the shit to read interesting posts. |
| The Real Wizard 30.09.2006 01:34 |
I AM GREG BROOKS, THE GREATEST MOANZONER OF ALL TIME. THIS ACETATE IS GARBAGE. IT DOESN'T BELONG TO QUEEN PRODUCTIONS, SO IT IS THEREFORE A FAKE. WHY WOULD WE MISPLACE OR LET GO ANYTHING OF VALUE? |
| FriedChicken 30.09.2006 04:23 |
I don't agree with you Bob, an acetate is a reference disc. To see if the volumes, bass, treble, etc. is right. So it can be done with a finished version as well |
| Jjeroen 30.09.2006 06:58 |
Right, Niek. Though in this case, the track on the disc MUST be interesting as it should be a stand-alone version. No Procession up front - No White Queen after. I suspect it's just fade-in and fade-out, but then again... |
| John S Stuart 30.09.2006 07:25 |
Although I agree with Bubbles statement - '...it's not necessarily reserved for early mixes/versions...' - I know from personal experience, that some actetaes DO contain different mixes or versions. A closer reading of Wilki's posting - also demonstrates this to be true: Wilki Amieva: I have several reference acetates/tapes/CDs and SOME of them DO have the final mixes. Therefore we can also conclude that the remainder of Wilki's acetates DO in fact contain different mixes, and this particular 'Father To Son' acetate on e-bay is being sold as just that - a very different mix indeed. 'QUEEN: Father To Sun - UK Trident acetate - Here is a very rare Queen item. This is a UK one sided, 10" inch Trident acetate copy of 'Father To Sun'. This version is different from the released one. (diff.vocal, mix & end)'. Although I accept the stand-alone ending theory (diff... end), that still does not account for the differences in both the mix and vocal. From this description I would conclude this is an earlier version or take, and IS a 'work in progress' type acetate. On a personal level, I am a little perturbed it has show up in here, as I would have liked to have bought it without the additional competition and subsequent rise in both demand and value (and people ask me how I come across such rarities!). But that is me being perfectly honest. On a more altruistic level, I think that PG is absolutely correct: '...this (is indeed) just the sort of thing QPL should be buying up...', and once in the hands of a private collector - why should they freely share what legally and rightfully becomes their hard-earned property? |
| John S Stuart 30.09.2006 07:53 |
double post... sorry |
| YourValentine 30.09.2006 21:49 |
btt |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 01.10.2006 00:53 |
Well done for bringing things back to where they belong, YV ;) |
| andy1962 01.10.2006 14:34 |
a few years ago i used to sell at record fairs in the uk,and i know for a fact that one dealer did indeed managed to get 7" and 10" and 12" acetates made he also had fake labels made with various demo and promo designs. and he did send one to auction.if i remember right it was a john lennon 12" acetate and it sold for stupid money so if one person can get them made they stand to make a lot of money from fan's and collectors.i also remember seeing a queen 10" acetate at a record fair at the NEC BIRMINGHAM and the label of that one was a poor photo copy which was peeling at the edges and he was asking about £500. sterling...just beware these type of recording command big money like everything in this world some one is always trying to make money from some one else(rip them off) |
| Jjeroen 01.10.2006 15:30 |
THIS acetate is definately genuine. |
| [ Wybren™ ] 02.10.2006 10:17 |
jeroen wrote: THIS acetate is definately genuine.Why are you so sure? I mean he can't even spell Father To Son properly (he wrote Father to SUN)... |
| Wilki Amieva 02.10.2006 16:06 |
The 10" format add trouble to counterfeiters. Also please note the color tone of the label and the fungi on it! |
| FriedChicken 02.10.2006 17:04 |
An acetate of a bootleg? What kind of fake bullshit is that |
| ferdy 03.10.2006 02:38 |
I also think it was a genuine item. Same seller some months ago sold a similar trident acetate of Killer Queen. He also sold a number of Beatles, Stones acetates which reached prices twice the queen one. If faking an acetate you can easily discover when you have item in your hands or listen to it... |
| wstüssyb 03.10.2006 19:09 |
Went for like allmost 800 bucks...thats a lot of cash, at least 2 Xbox 360's. Wonder who the winner is?, is that you John? |
| FriedChicken 04.10.2006 07:44 |
wstüssyb wrote: thats a lot of cash, at least 2 Xbox 360's.Lol :D |