una999 25.09.2006 12:19 |
Hey wats so good about hey jude - it goes on and on and on for ages with the ending. Same with let if be - is it that the majority of people are simple minded. As well john lennon is overrated and if he hasnt dies pual would have been the number one beatle., Anyway just to annoy a few people i say queen are better Hey anyone thing U2 are a better band than queen?? I dont think so! |
Katastrophe Mercury 25.09.2006 13:14 |
i think you put this in the wrong forum. this should probably be in the personal forum? |
kdj2hot 25.09.2006 13:16 |
I was thinking about the Beatles greatness when I was listening to journey (the band, steve perry sings). I was thinking about how good of a singer Steve Perry is despite the band being shit. I then thought about what makes the band shit, it's definitely not proficiency because they're all proficient on their instruments and it hit me. It's the music, the arrangement of it, the creativity. I thopught about the Beatles who are ranked 1st to me and concluded that although they're not the most proficient at their individual instruments they are the best band because of the amazing melodies, chord progression and grasp of creativity and what makes great music. Even though Queen had all of that to a degree, the Beatles just got it (or understood) all of that better than Queen. An argument can be made for Queen being the best because they are extremely proficient in their instruments and as a band and because of the level of music they made/ Hell, as far as musicians theres not another supergroup that can match Queen piece for piece in my opinion. but is quueb better musicians than the beatles? yeah, by a mile too but so are a lot of other bands. |
Freya is quietly judging you. 25.09.2006 13:20 |
una999 wrote: Anyway just to annoy a few people i say queen are betterThis is a Queen forum, so it's unlikely to annoy too many people. |
Micrówave 25.09.2006 13:33 |
Because NO ONE could/can write songs like John & Paul.
kdj2hot wrote: I was thinking about how good of a singer Steve Perry is despite the band being shit.Note these JOURNEY studio releases: Journey (1975) Look Into The Future (1976) Next (1977) Infinity (1978) Evolution (1979) Departure (1980) Dream After Dream (1980) Escape (1981) Captured (1982) 1 studio song Frontiers (1983) Raised on Radio (1987) Greatest Hits (1989) 2 studio songs Trial By Fire (1996) Arrival (2000) (US: 2001) Red (2002) Generations (2005) Steve Perry sings on 9 of the 16 Journey albums. What a great vocalist. But the band sucks? That's why Steve put out one good solo album (Street Talk), one solo album with 1 good song (For The Love Of Strange Medicine), one solo album that the record company rejected and never released, and a Greatest Hits album. Steve Perry fired Steve Smith. Yes, Vital Information Steve Smith. Steve Perry fired Ross Valory and hired American Idol Randy Jackson to play bass. That was Steve's last tour with Journey. And nobody is knocking his door down currently. and the rest of the Suck Band? NEAL SCHON played GUITAR for CARLOS SANTANA. If you play Guitar for Santana, you don't need to defend your ability to play guitar. JONATHAN CAIN brought "Open Arms" to Journey. Once Steve recorded it with Journey, Columbia demanded "more songs like that". It made Journey a Rock Ballad machine. It wasn't just Steve. GREG ROLIE played organ for CARLOS SANTANA. If you play Organ for Santana, you don't need to defend your ability to play Organ. ANSLEY DUNSBAR play drums for about a dozen bands and made a whole lot of money being in Whitesnake during their heyday. Welcome to Journeyzone.com |
teleman 25.09.2006 16:03 |
Why were the Beatles the greatest? George Martin? Just a thought. Nothing wrong thinking Queen were the greatest or any other band. You're entitled to your opinion. |
Gone. 25.09.2006 16:14 |
It's impossible to answer that question. Every single person has a different view and opinion of the "Best Band". Beatles are great, in my opinion. :-P |
M a t i a s M a y 25.09.2006 16:47 |
Beatles: The only band that REALLY changed music, in the last 150 years. |
SK 25.09.2006 16:53 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: Beatles: The only band that REALLY changed music, in the last 150 years.You forgot the Velvet Underground mate.Other then that, agreed. Beatles changed mainstream music forever, Velvets changed the underground scene greatly too. A lot of artists(Little Richard etc) changed music greatly too |
deleted user 25.09.2006 16:58 |
i love the beatles..but your comment didn't annoy me..sorry :) i love the whoooooooooo..xD |
SK 25.09.2006 17:00 |
<font color="#33FFFF">Capt'JessicaSparow wrote: i love the beatles..but your comment didn't annoy me..sorry :) i love the whoooooooooo..xDThe Who is awesome. You should dig up the old Who Live At Leeds topic in the personal section, a lot of great Who discussion in there :D |
drwinston 25.09.2006 17:13 |
½Microwave wrote: Because NO ONE could/can write songs like John & Paul.And don't forget that RTB produced the first three Steve Perry/Journey albums, with Mike Stone doing the Escape album. That's quite a strong Queen connection there.kdj2hot wrote: I was thinking about how good of a singer Steve Perry is despite the band being shit.Note these JOURNEY studio releases: Journey (1975) Look Into The Future (1976) Next (1977) Infinity (1978) Evolution (1979) Departure (1980) Dream After Dream (1980) Escape (1981) Captured (1982) 1 studio song Frontiers (1983) Raised on Radio (1987) Greatest Hits (1989) 2 studio songs Trial By Fire (1996) Arrival (2000) (US: 2001) Red (2002) Generations (2005) Steve Perry sings on 9 of the 16 Journey albums. What a great vocalist. But the band sucks? That's why Steve put out one good solo album (Street Talk), one solo album with 1 good song (For The Love Of Strange Medicine), one solo album that the record company rejected and never released, and a Greatest Hits album. Steve Perry fired Steve Smith. Yes, Vital Information Steve Smith. Steve Perry fired Ross Valory and hired American Idol Randy Jackson to play bass. That was Steve's last tour with Journey. And nobody is knocking his door down currently. and the rest of the Suck Band? NEAL SCHON played GUITAR for CARLOS SANTANA. If you play Guitar for Santana, you don't need to defend your ability to play guitar. JONATHAN CAIN brought "Open Arms" to Journey. Once Steve recorded it with Journey, Columbia demanded "more songs like that". It made Journey a Rock Ballad machine. It wasn't just Steve. GREG ROLIE played organ for CARLOS SANTANA. If you play Organ for Santana, you don't need to defend your ability to play Organ. ANSLEY DUNSBAR play drums for about a dozen bands and made a whole lot of money being in Whitesnake during their heyday. Welcome to Journeyzone.com |
M a t i a s M a y 25.09.2006 17:43 |
SK wrote:shut up, ignorant ass.M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: Beatles: The only band that REALLY changed music, in the last 150 years.You forgot the Velvet Underground mate.Other then that, agreed. Beatles changed mainstream music forever, Velvets changed the underground scene greatly too. A lot of artists(Little Richard etc) changed music greatly too |
lyricalassasin77 25.09.2006 18:01 |
Fuck the Beatles they can't hold a candle to Queen. They just was around and had the spotlight on them when times was changing. Live Queen kicks their ass.....Vocals, Freddie kicks their ass.....Guitar arrangements Brian kicks their ass....Enough Said |
Micrówave 25.09.2006 18:08 |
Yeah, Brian kicks their ass. Ok, dude. |
kagezan1313 25.09.2006 18:22 |
"I'm sorry, the whatles? Never heard of them, Dear." - Freddie Mercury circa 1975 |
SK 25.09.2006 18:59 |
To each their own |
SK 25.09.2006 19:05 |
kagezan1313 wrote: "I'm sorry, the whatles? Never heard of them, Dear." - Freddie Mercury circa 1975lol, did he actually say that? |
infiniti 25.09.2006 19:15 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote: Fuck the Beatles they can't hold a candle to Queen. They just was around and had the spotlight on them when times was changing. Live Queen kicks their ass.....Vocals, Freddie kicks their ass.....Guitar arrangements Brian kicks their ass....Enough SaidGood words i agree |
Gone. 25.09.2006 19:30 |
SK wrote: To each their own |
Sebastian 25.09.2006 19:34 |
As Fred said in 1984, "nobody can be bigger than The Beatles". Although I disagree: Beatles are reachable, but George Martin definitely not. |
Pablo Fanqueen 25.09.2006 21:21 |
Why are the beatles the greatest? Easy... The Beatles made a real revolution in all musical items: Songwriting Playing Recording Recording Production Albums Presentation In polls about the 100 Greatets Albums ever made,etc., they have no less than four albums in the first ten,and their other álbums in lower positions. (Sorry my bad english). Best Wishes Pablo Fanqueen |
deleted user 25.09.2006 21:48 |
People will probably kill me for this, but I think they are overrated. Queen are much better, even though The Beatles opened the doors for them. Whatever, Queen were influenced by them and made it better! |
M a t i a s M a y 25.09.2006 23:40 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote: Fuck the Beatles they can't hold a candle to Queen. They just was around and had the spotlight on them when times was changing. Live Queen kicks their ass.....Vocals, Freddie kicks their ass.....Guitar arrangements Brian kicks their ass....Enough SaidWhat the fuck do you know about singing to say that Freddie kicks Paul's ass? |
The Real Wizard 25.09.2006 23:45 |
I can't believe how many people are so blindingly in love with Queen, and can't bother to dive into history to see the effect The Beatles had on the world. Anyone who understands popular music would never place Queen (or anyone) above The Beatles for musical influence and cultural impact. Sheer ignorance is all I can say. No band will ever have 7 singles in the top 10. No band will have their album #1 for months, only to have their next album knock it into the #2 spot. No band laid more musical groundwork for those who came after them than The Beatles. No band influenced cultural movements like The Beatles. No musician's death will ever leave the world in mourning like when John Lennon was assassinated. In fact, with the possible exceptions of Martin Luther King Jr and Princess Diana, no death in recent history made the world stop like it did on December 8th 1980. The Beatles changed the world. Nobody will ever be bigger than The Beatles. Never, ever, ever, ever!! Period. End of discussion, and never to be discussed again! |
eenaweena 26.09.2006 06:05 |
i'd have to say that queen is the greatest, but sadly they're under the beatles' shadow. that's my take on it. the beatles are good, no question about it. i love them too. but quality-wise, i feel that queen is far better than the beatles, or even elvis presley himself. :) |
Oszmercury 26.09.2006 10:26 |
My friends, the fab four were the first, they made a revolution, besides fashion, speakin, a lot of things, their music still sounds fresh, i mean, Queen created amazin music but nothin compares to "Tomorrow never knows" or "Rain", have u ever checked "Carnival of Light"? they were amazin. |
The Real Wizard 26.09.2006 10:46 |
Oszmercury wrote: "Carnival of Light"So this has actually leaked... interesting. Do you have the full 13 minute version? |
Poo, again 26.09.2006 11:17 |
Hey, what's up with Look Up the Number (You know my name)? The song sounds really weird. Especially the vocals. Does anyone know when this was recorded? |
maxpower 26.09.2006 11:35 |
in ref to You Know My Name... the backing track was done in 1967 (during Pepper's recording sessions) & John & Paul (ringo & george not at the session) did the vocals in 1969 (Get Back sessions)the b-side version from the single let it be was 4 minutes in mono, the full version in stereo only surfaced on the anthology, oh to add when Brian Jones (stones) turned up it was thought he'd bring in a harp/mouth organ or guitar no he brought his saxophone to play on it |
Mr.Jingles 26.09.2006 12:29 |
The weakness of The Beatles is that they weren't a great live band. At least not as good as Led Zeppelin, Queen, or The Who. However, they are without a shadow of a doubt the most influential rock band ever. I 100% agree with Bob (SirGH) on the fact that no band or artist (at least in the XX Century) is bigger than The Beatles. Slim chances are that we will never ever experience such phenomenon again. |
Mr.Jingles 26.09.2006 12:34 |
<font color=pink>I love Freddie wrote: Hey, what's up with Look Up the Number (You know my name)? The song sounds really weird. Especially the vocals. Does anyone know when this was recorded?One of the worst Beatles songs... but I think every band (even The Beatles) is entitled to record a shit track. |
The Real Wizard 26.09.2006 12:34 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: The weakness of The Beatles is that they weren't a great live band. At least not as good as Led Zeppelin, Queen, or The Who.But you must cut The Beatles some slack... they couldn't hear a single note they were playing, because the girls were screaming so loudly! That's why they usually played shows only for about 35-45 minutes, and ultimately, a large portion of the reason why they quit playing shows altogether. |
Oszmercury 26.09.2006 12:39 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:I've a 3 minute version, some drum beats and loops here and there, the entire version hasn't been leakedOszmercury wrote: "Carnival of Light"So this has actually leaked... interesting. Do you have the full 13 minute version? |
Mr.Jingles 26.09.2006 12:41 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:That's true...Mr.Jingles wrote: The weakness of The Beatles is that they weren't a great live band. At least not as good as Led Zeppelin, Queen, or The Who.But you must cut The Beatles some slack... they couldn't hear a single note they were playing, because the girls were screaming so loudly! That's why they usually played shows only for about 35-45 minutes, and ultimately, a large portion of the reason why they quit playing shows altogether. Back in the 60s no artist was as to popular as to pack an entire stadium, not even Elvis. Needless to say there were no amplifiers like the ones that started to be built once massive concerts started taking place. I remember watching on the Anthology documentary how The Beatles were so fed up with not hearing themselves playing, that they found it absolutely pointless to play in front of crowds. Yet as a live band, since The Beatles there's arguably been some better ones... just my opinion. |
maxpower 26.09.2006 12:56 |
if ref the them playing live, their best stuff was never recorded in Hamburg 1960 - 1962 they'd play for 6-8 hours every night, dig out if you can their version of Shimmy Shake, it was released on Live At The Star Club (poor sound quality) but that doesnt matter the vibe is their raw & in your face |
Wiley 26.09.2006 13:01 |
The Beatles were simply great. The way they came up with an impressive amount of good tracks in about 8 years, apart from all the revolutionary movement, it's amazing. Lennon and McCartney have to be the best pop songwriters of the XX century. I'm particulary fond of McCartney's compositions, even more than Lennon's. I mean, he knows his stuff! I'm sure he can still come up with a great melody for a great tune our of nowhere. Penny Lane, Eleanor Rigby (only two chords in there), Yesterday (the most covered pop song EVER) and LET IT BE!!. Denying their outstanding contribution to music is sheer ignorance. I use to think they were overrated until I listened to them... still, I had a hard time getting into Lennon's songs. I used to think the production sounded a million years old but that's the way it was intended in tracks like Strawberry Fields Forever. If you think this about their songs just look at McCartney's Penny Lane or Let it Be. Flawless sound, not a hint of psychodelia and they sound better today than ever. I strongly recommend you get their Blue greatest hits album or the "1" album (27 number one singles, anyone?) and check the video Anthology and then tell me they are nothing to be amazed at. ;) Sincerely, Wiley |
Poo, again 26.09.2006 13:06 |
Wiley wrote: Eleanor Rigby (only two chords in there)Surely there must be more than 2 chords in Eleanor Rigby? |
Wiley 26.09.2006 13:20 |
<font color=pink>I love Freddie wrote: Surely there must be more than 2 chords in Eleanor Rigby?According to: link "Chords used in the song: C [x32010] Em [022000] Em6* [022020] Em7* [022030] *Em can be used instead of Em6 and Em7, but it doesn't sound as good." So.. well, technically there are four chords but you get my point. The arrangement is great, the orchestra sounds marvelous (I don't think Paul arranged it, maybe George Martin, I don't know) but there are only two (mmm alright, four) chords, haha :). If you want another example like that, Tomorrow Never Knows has only ONE chord throughout the song (C). :P |
maxpower 26.09.2006 13:55 |
because Tomorrow Never Knows was written in C common in Indian Music either 1 chord or none at all which George was getting into from 65 onwards |
Sebastian 26.09.2006 14:01 |
> The Beatles made a real revolution in all musical items: Let's see how much was actually Beatles' credit: > Songwriting Very True. Lennon was IMO the best rock/pop songwriter ever. No contest. > Playing Partly true. They were underrated instrumentalists, especially in classic rock circles (Zep fans, etc). But they were really good players, and singers. > Recording That's due to George Martin, not them. > Recording Production That's due to George Martin, not them. > Albums Presentation Many people are involved in such details, not only the Fab Four. |
maxpower 26.09.2006 14:28 |
who underates them as musicians? non beatle fans, take ringo's playig on day in the life (timpani type percussion) playing on rain, she said she said etc. McCartney's countless bass lines, Something,Old Brown Shoe, Taxman Come Together Lead Guitar = Taxman (ironically a george song) Good Morning, Ticket To Ride Acoustic playing = Blackbird, Yesterday Drumming = Back In The USSR, Dear Prudence The Ballad of John & Yoko I could go on |
Wiley 26.09.2006 15:53 |
They did very good armonies aswell, like Paperback Writer, and they did them live! Although the audience wouldn't hear a thing, even with 100W VOX amps! haha :). Some very nice riffs too... Day Tripper comes to mind, Come Together.. Versatile epic-esque tracks like A day in the life.. Big chorus anthemic songs like Hey Jude, All you need is love and Let it be. Brian May said it himself, The Beatles were their bible. Wether this had to do with the music writing or recording (which George Martin had a LOT to do with) I'm not sure. But, come on, you can not say the Beatles are overrated without actually listening to their body of work. In my opinion they deserve the place they have in music and history. I like Queen better but I can't deny the Beatles input to modern day music. That would be wrong :S. |
Baneé 26.09.2006 16:05 |
Because of their 60's hairstyle...Mmm, forget it. |
Boy Thomas Raker 26.09.2006 22:18 |
There's a great line in the Extreme song, "Cynical Fuck", that goes "and whatever you do/someone's done it first." It applies to the Beatles/Queen thing. Queen were amazing singers, songwriters, producers, musicians, arrangers and showmen. But even though they are better or close in most of those catagories, they wouldn't have been Queen if it weren't for the Beatles. Queen made amazing music, and are arguably the top band of all time. The Beatles made amazing music, they changed pop music and pop culture, and are unarguably the top band of all time. |
Sebastian 26.09.2006 22:41 |
> who underates them as musicians? People who think that good drummers are only Bonzo and Neil Peart (and whoever does solos); people who think a non-mediocre guitarist must masturbate on the frets each quaver ... the fact Ringo scores so highly in "worst drummer" polls demonstrates how ignorant are people. > Brian May said it himself, The Beatles were their bible. Wether this had to do with the music writing or recording (which George Martin had a LOT to do with) I'm not sure. They were influenced by The Beatles in many aspects: eclectic albums, some specific studio techniques and some songwriting features. Although the way Queen and Beatles were produced is very different, there are some subtle influences here and there. > In my opinion they deserve the place they have in music and history. I agree. > they wouldn't have been Queen if it weren't for the Beatles. That's not true IMO: the four Queennies (except perhaps Deacy) had been playing music before they listened to The Beatles. They'd have been musicians in one way or another, and they'd have got loads of people whom they could learn from (Bee Gees, Who, Yardbirds, Cream). Beatles were fantastic, but it doesn't mean there wouldn't be (rock/pop) music without them. > The Beatles made amazing music They made amazing songs (in terms of lyrics and melodies); but most of the credit in their amazing recordings (which includes the way vocals are mixed, etc) belongs to George Martin. Queen of course had much help from producers and other people, but to a lesser extent (and that's not better or worse, just different). IMO all Beatles' albums from Please Please Me to Abbey Road, are brilliant from beginning to end, but you've got to keep in mind that those are the result of the work put together by many people, not the Fab Four alone. > they changed pop music and pop culture I don't think so. They were part of the group of people who simultaneously received and continued the constant change, but it doesn't mean the Beatles' organisation (let alone just the four band members) marked rock/pop as it is today. > and are unarguably the top band of all time. Depends on what do you mean by "top band". I still think Lennon was the best songwriter ever (in his genre of course), and I still believe that the Beatles' greatest achievement was their compositions. Brilliant songwriters, (only) great band. As opposed to Def Leppard IMO: extraordinary band, but (IMO) not so good with the songwriting. |
The Real Wizard 27.09.2006 12:18 |
Sebastian wrote: Def Leppard IMO: extraordinary band, but (IMO) not so good with the songwriting.Then what makes them so extraordinary to you? |
Mr.Jingles 27.09.2006 12:31 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:"Making love like a man"Sebastian wrote: Def Leppard IMO: extraordinary band, but (IMO) not so good with the songwriting.Then what makes them so extraordinary to you? Most deep and inspiring lyrics I've ever heard in my life. That song changed the world. |
Wiley 27.09.2006 12:41 |
Sebastian wrote: > People who think that good drummers are only Bonzo and Neil Peart (and whoever does solos); people who think a non-mediocre guitarist must masturbate on the frets each quaver ... the fact Ringo scores so highly in "worst drummer" polls demonstrates how ignorant are people.I think Ringo Starr was a very good drummer (I don't know how's his playing now). Just try to play his songs exactly the way he did and it's not that easy. I mean, he doesn't do impressively fast jaw-dropping fills or anything but his drumming is everything but repetitive and adds up to the songs. I remember a quote by him saying that he could not develop his drumming very well on tour with the Beatles because he could never hear himself or the other guys' instruments (because of the girls' screams) so he had to keep up the beat and almost never do fills or anything. |
Mr.Jingles 27.09.2006 16:18 |
Pete Best... now that was a good drummer. |
Sebastian 27.09.2006 18:45 |
> Then what makes them so extraordinary to you? They play very well and they're very good singers. And excellent arrangers. But their songs (melodies, lyrics) are more often than not forgettable. I like 'Day After Day' and 'When Love & Hate Collide' but otherwise I'd have preferred them as a cover-band (as they were in their last album), or hiring professional songwriters to take care of that department. > I think Ringo Starr was a very good drummer Indeed. He was one of the most underrated musicians ever. He certainly was NOT a human metronome as his fans tend to say, but he'd got enviable precision. |
Future Queen Guitarist 27.09.2006 18:47 |
Wiley wrote:yea i rember hearing that on an interview with him paul and george (when he was still alive)on the beatles anthologySebastian wrote: > People who think that good drummers are only Bonzo and Neil Peart (and whoever does solos); people who think a non-mediocre guitarist must masturbate on the frets each quaver ... the fact Ringo scores so highly in "worst drummer" polls demonstrates how ignorant are people.I think Ringo Starr was a very good drummer (I don't know how's his playing now). Just try to play his songs exactly the way he did and it's not that easy. I mean, he doesn't do impressively fast jaw-dropping fills or anything but his drumming is everything but repetitive and adds up to the songs. I remember a quote by him saying that he could not develop his drumming very well on tour with the Beatles because he could never hear himself or the other guys' instruments (because of the girls' screams) so he had to keep up the beat and almost never do fills or anything. |
AmeriQueen 28.09.2006 03:44 |
The Beatles are 2nd to Queen for me, but at the same time, I can understand the argument for The Beatles being considered the #1 rock band. A) The entire Beatles phenomenon took place between 1964 - 1969(A legendary career like the Beatles, and it was all done within a 6 year period.) B) The Beatles were first(before Queen). C) From the foundation of being the most popular rock band, full of rock hits and pop classics. Lots of #1 hits. From that, they went forward, from being on top of the world commercially, to creative experiments, saying "To hell" with their comfortable standing as the most popular music act in the world. Their #1 success amongst other musicians did not satisfy them. D) Lastly, the Beatles ended their reign at their peak. As if it's not enough that they produced all those hits and popular songs in their catalogue during that 6 year stretch, but they also were considered as strong as ever at the end when they made 'Abbey Road'. The Beatles opened rock music up with the expansion of their sound through the so called "drug years" of the Beatles' music. |
john bodega 28.09.2006 04:12 |
Well... it's an interesting argument, to assume that one is only talking about the 4 band members when they say the incredible things the Beatles achieved. It could be a childhood of watching Making-Ofs, but I've always viewed George Martin as an equal to the four, in the record making process. Isn't that the case with most bands though? I take it as read that we are crediting the 'other people' as well, when we praise a bands album. I'm a little too reserved to out and out say I think the Beatles are the greatest, with 100% conviction. But I'd say there's an argument for it. Mania aside, when I listen to things like Tomorrow Never Knows or Mr. Kite, Glass Onion, A Day In The Life, I'm gobsmacked. There's clever things there, no matter who you credit them to. |
john bodega 28.09.2006 04:13 |
una999 wrote: Hey wats so good about hey jude - it goes on and on and on for ages with the ending. Same with let if be - is it that the majority of people are simple minded. As well john lennon is overrated and if he hasnt dies pual would have been the number one beatle., Anyway just to annoy a few people i say queen are better Hey anyone thing U2 are a better band than queen?? I dont think so!The desert between your ears speaks volumes! You pick 2 of their less-than-stellar songs as examples? True, they were catchy and memorable but really... |
Sebastian 28.09.2006 07:04 |
> I've always viewed George Martin as an equal to the four, in the record making process. Isn't that the case with most bands though? Not entirely. Roy Baker was equal to the band in terms of recordings, but he didn't add arrangements. Martin scored and conducted most of the orchestras (Yesterday, Eleanor Rigby, Strawberry...), was in charge of all the mixing and sequencing (e.g. the order of the tracks), played several instruments (e.g. the piano solo in 'In My Life'), decided the tempo change in 'Please Please Me', was responsible for their change of drummer ... he was much more than "just" the producer. Compare 'Yesterday' with 'Bo Rhap': Paul is responsible for the (extraordinary) chord progression in 'Yesterday', the (brilliant) melody and the (superb) lyrics; George Martin is responsible for the actual violin, viola and cello parts, as well as the mixing and conducting of the string quartet(s). In the case of 'Bo Rhap', Fred is responsible for the chord progression, the melody, the lyrics, the title, the vocal arrangements, the guitar parts, the bass parts, the drums punctuation, the piano parts, and Roy was in charge (with Freddie) of producing. > I take it as read that we are crediting the 'other people' as well, when we praise a bands album. An album, yes. But not the band. IMO White Album is a better album than A Night At The Opera, but the difference in context is that White Album is the result of many people working (John, Paul, Ringo, Eric Clapton, harpists, additional singers, violinists, cellists, violists, the two George's), while 100% of songwriting (except the British Anthem), arrangements, playing and singing in 'Opera' comes from either Roger, Freddie, John or Brian. And even production is split (Roy described how Fred never left the console and was there supervising everything). > Mania aside, when I listen to things like Tomorrow Never Knows or Mr. Kite, Glass Onion, A Day In The Life, I'm gobsmacked. Indeed they'd got loads of underrated songs. John Lennon was IMO the best songwriter ever (in his genre); Paul would come second and George (my all-time favourite musician) third. And when it came to singing, playing, arranging or producing they were brilliant as well (although not on the same level). |
The Real Wizard 29.09.2006 00:08 |
Sebastian wrote: Compare 'Yesterday' with 'Bo Rhap': Paul is responsible for the (extraordinary) chord progression in 'Yesterday', the (brilliant) melody and the (superb) lyrics; George Martin is responsible for the actual violin, viola and cello parts, as well as the mixing and conducting of the string quartet(s). In the case of 'Bo Rhap', Fred is responsible for the chord progression, the melody, the lyrics, the title, the vocal arrangements, the guitar parts, the bass parts, the drums punctuation, the piano parts, and Roy was in charge (with Freddie) of producing.Excellent comparison. |
Oszmercury 29.09.2006 01:23 |
Beatles were the first |
maxpower 29.09.2006 06:41 |
i quote "Same with let if be - is it that the majority of people are simple minded." what the fuck you retard? read the opening verse "when i find myself in times of trouble Mother Mary comes to me speaking words of wisdom let it be" if you didnt know Paul is referring to his own mother Mary who died when he was14! of cancer can you imagine such a colossal loss at such a young age? I dont need to go into hey jude - do some research but in a nutshell he was reaching to young child of 4 going through a shitty time |
zaiga 29.09.2006 06:51 |
maxpower wrote: i quote "Same with let if be - is it that the majority of people are simple minded." what the fuck you retard? read the opening verse "when i find myself in times of trouble Mother Mary comes to me speaking words of wisdom let it be" if you didnt know Paul is referring to his own mother Mary who died when he was14! of cancer can you imagine such a colossal loss at such a young age? I dont need to go into hey jude - do some research but in a nutshell he was reaching to young child of 4 going through a shitty timeSo? What's your point? The fact that these songs have an emotional deep topic at their origins doesn't automatically make it great songs. I *do* think these are great songs, not because of their topic or lyrical content, but because of the great, catchy melodies. |
Sebastian 29.09.2006 10:49 |
Both 'Hey Jude' and 'Let It Be' have got some nice lyrics, nice melodies and simple but earpleasing chord progressions. They're not even close to be Paul's best IMO, but they're very good songs from beginning to end. |
Wiley 29.09.2006 12:40 |
Yeah, that's the thing. Many Beatles tracks, maybe more in Paul's side of the catalog, have simple chord progressions, yet the melody is wonderful. I'm talking about early tracks like "Eight days a week", "I feel fine", "I want to hold your hand", etc. But also some of the latter tracks like "Hey Jude", "Let me live"... those last have nice melodies, very good lyrics and are not musically complex. I'm interested in knowing which Beatles songs are your favorites, Sebastian, and which do you consider each band member's best songs, musically, lyrically or the way you like. I haven't listened to all their albums. I have listened to their 1967-1970 compilation, Sgt. Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour, Abbey Road, Let it Be, The White Album and their #1 compilation, apart from their Anthologies DVD set. From what I know, and mostly from the tracks I like but are not necesarily "genius".. John's: Help, A day in the life, Tomorrow Never Knows, I feel fine. Paul's: Let it be, Hey Jude, Penny Lane, Paperback Writer, Eleanor Rigby, Back in the USSR George's: Taxman, While my guitar gently weeps, Something, Here comes the sun. Ringo's: Octopuss' Garden? hehe :). See ya, Wiley |
Sebastian 29.09.2006 20:01 |
Those are interesting comments/questions. But Paul not always used simple chord progressions, for instance, the one in 'Yesterday' uses mostly "regular" chords but the way they're put together is very unusual. Remember all the Queen songs that are driven by simple chord-progressions too. |
john bodega 29.09.2006 22:13 |
maxpower wrote: i quote "Same with let if be - is it that the majority of people are simple minded." what the fuck you retard? read the opening verse "when i find myself in times of trouble Mother Mary comes to me speaking words of wisdom let it be" if you didnt know Paul is referring to his own mother Mary who died when he was14! of cancer can you imagine such a colossal loss at such a young age? I dont need to go into hey jude - do some research but in a nutshell he was reaching to young child of 4 going through a shitty timeDid you eat stupid pills?? One can love a song very much, at the same time as realise it's maybe not the most complex thing ever written. And I for one found it loopy that someone was representing the Beatles catalogue of hundreds of songs, with two songs from the butt-end of their career that didn't really forge any interesting ground musically. I loved them; love Let it Be and Hey Jude...... but they were far from the most revolutionary things done in the 60's, by the Beatles or anyone else. |
M a t i a s M a y 30.09.2006 02:05 |
Let It Be's about Freddie's sexuality |
eenaweena 30.09.2006 02:22 |
okay... i'm confused. is this a beatles appreciation thread, or is it otherwise? |
Queen_Rox 30.09.2006 02:27 |
No, this is just some idiot, who thinks that the Beatles are better than Queen. Now, don't get me wrong, I mean, the Beatles are a talented British group, but this has nothing to do with Queen. |
eenaweena 30.09.2006 02:40 |
oh... i see. i agree that it's in the wrong forum. :) |
john bodega 30.09.2006 04:41 |
<font color="0066CC">Queen_Rox wrote: No, this is just some idiot, who thinks that the Beatles are better than Queen. Now, don't get me wrong, I mean, the Beatles are a talented British group, but this has nothing to do with Queen.Your post ranks as one of the 500 best brain farts in history. The initial poster was in fact saying the Beatles weren't all that great at all. And the rest of the discussion has been pretty fair in comparing them to Queen. And to be honest, I think you could argue either side, it'd be a close finish. Pull the cloth out of your ears. |
maxpower 30.09.2006 11:01 |
but the thing is The Beatles are & will always be better than Queen, the truth hurts but there you go Queen's best album = A.N.A.T.O, Innuendo? now I love Queen I saw them in 86 etc but they dont come close to Rubber Soul, Revolver, Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road, With The Beatles, A Hard Day's Night This was a band that released two albums per yer 1966 aside, & their singles as a rule were not on albums ( hard day's night, help the execeptions)how many bands have ever done that before or since? tell me, Queen once released an entire album via singles (the works) 5 off one album the miracle, that is why they are the greatest in reply to Zaiga are you telling me the lyrical content & the story behind the show must go on dosent influence the impact? or mother love? in your eyes this dosent make them great songs? |
Mr.Jingles 01.10.2006 08:21 |
<font color="0066CC">Queen_Rox wrote: No, this is just some idiot, who thinks that the Beatles are better than Queen. Now, don't get me wrong, I mean, the Beatles are a talented British group, but this has nothing to do with Queen.Why does someone have to be labeled an "idiot" because they think The Beatles are better than Queen? |
eenaweena 01.10.2006 09:30 |
here's my take on this: it is inevitable that the beatles are more famous than queen. we can't do anything about that, can we? maybe we can, but if you ask people who their favorite rock band is back in the day, it would either be the beatles or queen or even led zep, but most likely the beatles. we just have to accept it, even if we think that Queen are the greatest. personally, i think queen has done much better, but it's the masses opinion, and it's this guy's opinion, and we can't really do anything to sway it. :) so, we just gotta respect his opinion. but going back to the topic, my fave beatles song would be... helter skelter. :) next in line: eleanor rigby. :) |
thomasquinn 32989 01.10.2006 09:32 |
una999 wrote: Hey wats so good about hey jude - it goes on and on and on for ages with the ending. Same with let if be - is it that the majority of people are simple minded. As well john lennon is overrated and if he hasnt dies pual would have been the number one beatle., Anyway just to annoy a few people i say queen are better Hey anyone thing U2 are a better band than queen?? I dont think so!Always good to see that there are plenty of people who still have a brain in unused condition. You haven't taken it out of the package yet, have you? That'd be such a waste... |
The Real Wizard 01.10.2006 09:40 |
<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: here's my take on this: it is inevitable that the beatles are more famous than queen. we can't do anything about that, can we? maybe we can, but if you ask people who their favorite rock band is back in the day, it would either be the beatles or queen or even led zep, but most likely the beatles. we just have to accept it, even if we think that Queen are the greatest. personally, i think queen has done much better, but it's the masses opinion, and it's this guy's opinion, and we can't really do anything to sway it. :) so, we just gotta respect his opinion.It has nothing to do with respecting opinions. It's a matter of being informed about history, and knowing how much The Beatles affected music and popular culture as a whole. Anyone is entitled to give an opinion and object to anything - as long as they have grounds for doing so. But in the case of The Beatles, there's no way it can be denied that they left more of a mark than any other band. |
eenaweena 01.10.2006 09:46 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:well, there's like a wee bit in here where they go... that the beatles rock more than queen does and others are saying that they're total twats for saying that... but yeah. thanks for telling me that. :) i agree with you on the mark that the beatles left. :)<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: here's my take on this: it is inevitable that the beatles are more famous than queen. we can't do anything about that, can we? maybe we can, but if you ask people who their favorite rock band is back in the day, it would either be the beatles or queen or even led zep, but most likely the beatles. we just have to accept it, even if we think that Queen are the greatest. personally, i think queen has done much better, but it's the masses opinion, and it's this guy's opinion, and we can't really do anything to sway it. :) so, we just gotta respect his opinion.It has nothing to do with respecting opinions. It's a matter of being informed about history, and knowing how much The Beatles affected music and popular culture as a whole. Anyone is entitled to give an opinion and object to anything - as long as they have grounds for doing so. But in the case of The Beatles, there's no way it can be denied that they left more of a mark than any other band. |