| kudilja 17.09.2006 15:06 |
Hi! I heard something about this overdubs, could someone please say if this is a true...and on which songs... thanks!! |
| SK 17.09.2006 15:07 |
As with all overdubbed live lps, mostly all the songs have been overdubbed in one way or another |
| kudilja 17.09.2006 15:13 |
thanks! but does anybody know where exactly are they present....cheers |
| NTL 17.09.2006 16:02 |
Alomst everything is Freddies vocals, some off the top of my head, One Vision, The vocal lines "and visions of one sweet union", "Look what they've done to my dream", "Give me your hands, give me your hearts etc", and also the bit at the end where Roger repeats Freddie. A Kind Of Magic, The words "Is challenging" before the guitar solo and "will sone be, will soon be etc" at the end of the song. Champions, The line "And I aint gonna lose" and also Freddies vocal in the choruses. There are more like in WWTLF but cant be bothered to point them all out. Basicaly everytime Freddie "screams" like all in the above, its been overdubbed. |
| kudilja 17.09.2006 16:28 |
thanks!! very interesting... |
| rocks. 17.09.2006 22:48 |
NTL wrote: Alomst everything is Freddies vocals, some off the top of my head, One Vision, The vocal lines "and visions of one sweet union", "Look what they've done to my dream", "Give me your hands, give me your hearts etc", and also the bit at the end where Roger repeats Freddie. A Kind Of Magic, The words "Is challenging" before the guitar solo and "will sone be, will soon be etc" at the end of the song. Champions, The line "And I aint gonna lose" and also Freddies vocal in the choruses. There are more like in WWTLF but cant be bothered to point them all out. Basicaly everytime Freddie "screams" like all in the above, its been overdubbed.why...i've heard bootlegs of those songs that certainly havent been overdubbed, and they sound fine! |
| Al TurHao 18.09.2006 03:48 |
Yes, they sound fine, for a bootleg but most of the times, the artist wants the proper release to be as perfect as possible. That's why they overdub most things. Brian overdubbed many parts of his guitar too. |
| Togg 18.09.2006 05:20 |
Overdubs may be incorrect here, there was certainly some tinkering in the mix and re-editing of the tracks, however did the guys go into the studio and re-record parts...? well it's open for debate, there is plenty of material floating about from recordings of the tour that they can cut and paiste from. |
| Jjeroen 18.09.2006 05:47 |
No the overdubs come from other LIVE recordings. What WOULD be interesting is to find out which concerts all the overdubs come from! ;-) So if anybody has way too much time on his or her hands... find out! :-D |
| una999 18.09.2006 07:55 |
thats bullshit - why wud queen do that - to sound as good as they can??? If that was the case why did they release Wembley in the first place!!! Wembley is a great concert but does anyone else seem to notice that it's like 1percent slow (the recording), like budapest is increased by a bit. Like take bohemian rhapdosy the second verse, it sounds as if its been slowed sown and its really annoying |
| Togg 18.09.2006 08:12 |
Eeerrrr well I think you'll find it's common practice to 'clean-up' live recordings which IS waht has happened here, no big issue they just make sure it's sounds as good as it can, no live recording is error free throughout, they all have drop-out issues or someone just played a bum note, this is justthe way bands clean up the live release afterwards. |
| cmsdrums 18.09.2006 08:41 |
una999 - I think that the Budapest concert was speeded up (by mistake) during one of the stages of transferring from film to tape - I'm not exactly sure of the technicalities, but it's definitely Budapest that is fast, not Wembley that is slow. Looks like Budapest will be one of the next live DVDs, so hopefully they will correct this then. |
| NTL 18.09.2006 08:58 |
WhatMustHeThink wrote:Well you cant have heard have heard bootlegs without overdubs because I guarantee these are 100% correct, I would put my life on it.NTL wrote: Alomst everything is Freddies vocals, some off the top of my head, One Vision, The vocal lines "and visions of one sweet union", "Look what they've done to my dream", "Give me your hands, give me your hearts etc", and also the bit at the end where Roger repeats Freddie. A Kind Of Magic, The words "Is challenging" before the guitar solo and "will sone be, will soon be etc" at the end of the song. Champions, The line "And I aint gonna lose" and also Freddies vocal in the choruses. There are more like in WWTLF but cant be bothered to point them all out. Basicaly everytime Freddie "screams" like all in the above, its been overdubbed.why...i've heard bootlegs of those songs that certainly havent been overdubbed, and they sound fine! Watch the DVD everytime freddie goes to sing one of these lines the camera cuts to someone else. I have the bootleg, I am 100% correct, end of story. |
| Q-Nick 18.09.2006 09:24 |
Watch Roger's QueenCam on 'Under Pressure'. Some clear overdubs. |
| Jjeroen 18.09.2006 11:09 |
una999 wrote: thats bullshit - why wud queen do that - to sound as good as they can??? If that was the case why did they release Wembley in the first place!!! Wembley is a great concert but does anyone else seem to notice that it's like 1percent slow (the recording), like budapest is increased by a bit. Like take bohemian rhapdosy the second verse, it sounds as if its been slowed sown and its really annoyingDarling - you are being a bit naive here now. With of course the usual few exceptions here and there - basically EVERY live-album by ANY artist has overdubs. |
| Rick 18.09.2006 11:23 |
jeroen wrote:Indeed. Although Dream Theater has a live album without any overdubs. But then again, they always sound so perfect live.una999 wrote: thats bullshit - why wud queen do that - to sound as good as they can??? If that was the case why did they release Wembley in the first place!!! Wembley is a great concert but does anyone else seem to notice that it's like 1percent slow (the recording), like budapest is increased by a bit. Like take bohemian rhapdosy the second verse, it sounds as if its been slowed sown and its really annoyingDarling - you are being a bit naive here now. With of course the usual few exceptions here and there - basically EVERY live-album by ANY artist has overdubs. Same goes for Stream Of Passion. A somewhat new gothic band under the lead of the famous Arjen Anthony Lucassen (well, he is well-known here in Holland)... |
| Legy 18.09.2006 11:32 |
All bands "re-touch" their live material. Some do it more than others. Queen did it here and there, unlike another rock band who actually recorded a live album in the studio and added the audience into album mix. Some of the early live Queen stuff is heavily overdubbed. Live at the Rainbow and other concerts of that era are, they even used backing tracks, which I find very un-Queen like. |
| RMT 18.09.2006 12:46 |
I seem to recall reading that Duran Duran's 'Arena' album was virtually all dubbed! |
| The Real Wizard 18.09.2006 13:07 |
<font color=blue>Rick wrote: Although Dream Theater has a live album without any overdubs. But then again, they always sound so perfect live.Actually, four of their five live albums have no overdubs. As far as I know, the only one with overdubs is Scenes From New York, where they re-recorded John Petrucci's backing vocals for The Silent Man. |
| Phill the Thrill 18.09.2006 14:07 |
ihavenolegs wrote: unlike another rock band who actually recorded a live album in the studio and added the audience into album mix.whose that? |
| masterstroke_84 18.09.2006 14:48 |
KISS live albums are the most over d. of al time... |
| pma 18.09.2006 15:18 |
Phill the Thrill wrote:There are quite a few examples of heavily overdubbed live material. Out of live albums I've heard, Eagles' "Eagles live" comes quite close to being more studio recorded than live.ihavenolegs wrote: unlike another rock band who actually recorded a live album in the studio and added the audience into album mix.whose that? And even the audience reactions are totally... Well, you gotta hear it to believe it. |
| Legy 18.09.2006 16:24 |
PMA mentioned the Eagles. Cheap Trick's Live a the Budakahn is said to be a studio album with the crowd reaction being the only thing that was actually recorded at the Budakahn. Thin Lizzy's Life Live is another album that comes to mind. |
| The Real Wizard 18.09.2006 21:27 |
Phill the Thrill wrote:Apparently, most of Kiss' Alive II was done in the studio. I've heard that some songs had only the drums recorded live, and others were done completely in the studio.ihavenolegs wrote: unlike another rock band who actually recorded a live album in the studio and added the audience into album mix.whose that? I've never heard about the Thin Lizzy "Life" album being studio recorded. "Live And Dangerous" is probably the one being referring to. |
| john bodega 21.09.2006 11:41 |
So how does Live at Leeds rank in the overdubbed-ness stakes then? Granted, I've seen a fair few other Who performances (from Youtube or from The Kids Are Alright) that are of similar quality.... I'm wondering if much overdubbing (if any) would've been necessary? |
| Jjeroen 21.09.2006 11:53 |
Yeah, something in the back of my mind tells me this is one of those classic live albums without overdubs... But I'm not sure... |
| SK 21.09.2006 16:31 |
Zebonka12 wrote: So how does Live at Leeds rank in the overdubbed-ness stakes then? Granted, I've seen a fair few other Who performances (from Youtube or from The Kids Are Alright) that are of similar quality.... I'm wondering if much overdubbing (if any) would've been necessary?Live At Leeds actually had very little to non overdubs if I recall correctly, Atleast thats what I have heard. |
| Smitty 21.09.2006 22:58 |
SK wrote:ah, the good ole' Who... :-)Zebonka12 wrote: So how does Live at Leeds rank in the overdubbed-ness stakes then? Granted, I've seen a fair few other Who performances (from Youtube or from The Kids Are Alright) that are of similar quality.... I'm wondering if much overdubbing (if any) would've been necessary?Live At Leeds actually had very little to non overdubs if I recall correctly, Atleast thats what I have heard. |
| Lester Burnham 21.09.2006 23:51 |
On the original six-track Live At Leeds, there weren't any overdubs, but there were two (that I know of) on the expanded 1995 and 2001 reissues: John had to redo part of his vocal on 'Heaven And Hell' because he was fiddling with his amp, and Roger was slightly out of tune during 'See Me Feel Me', which he fixed (it's actually really noticable). |
| john bodega 22.09.2006 04:59 |
Call me fucking crazy but I like warts-and-all live performances... when I listen to say, five performances of a song, generally my brain will build up a collage of my favourite bits of each. I don't see the point in fixing it up! |
| cmsdrums 28.09.2006 08:07 |
What always baffled me is that as they do so many 'corrections' to the live performances, they never corrected the one in the Budapest concert during One Vision, when Roger and Freddie sing opposing lines, and one sings "One Solution", one of them sings "One Direction", and it ends up sounding like "One Dilution"!!! Whilst on the subject, I used to hate the thought of overdubs in any way, but now I think that, if it is simply one part here and there dropped in from another live gig, it's not too bad - certainly with Queen we know that they CAN do it live and it's not a studio overdub. What I do hate is wholesale recorrection and studio overdubs (Such as Kiss) to actually make up for deficiencies in their live abilities. By the way, one band who definitely do not use any overdubs and whose live CDs are 100% as on the night is Thunder - what a fantastic live english rock band. |