| greaserkat 14.09.2006 15:01 |
This was the biggest tour of '86 and the one that grossed the most that year too. It set records for attendance and everything. The two concerts at Wembley are probably one or two of the best concerts ever, but what about the tour?? What do u guys think? |
| SK 14.09.2006 16:00 |
Rolling Stones Exile On Main St'72 was the greatest tour ever ;) |
| speedracer 14.09.2006 17:15 |
Magic tour? WORD! |
| masterstroke_84 14.09.2006 17:31 |
Nah... 70% of the shows were set up in small-medium venues (10.000 to 30.000) and only the outdoor gigs were bigger but... not soooo bigger... The Stones to Metallica, KISS... i dont know... U2´s ZOO tv, POP´s Tour and their current tour, Oasis, MC Cartney, Ac Dc... And loooots of more artists have made longer tours... with larger audiences... and better results. I think The Magic tour was only big for a particular moment of 1986 but not of all history... My opinion is that the bigger and important Queen tour was the Southamerican tour... Bye |
| TheGame 14.09.2006 17:52 |
Well, the Magic Tour was quite groundbreaking and big at THAT time. I don't think anyone can argue about that. It could have been a hell lot bigger crowd wise ofcourse. The bigger the better ;) |
| Micrówave 14.09.2006 17:56 |
and more international. |
| Gordie Howe 14.09.2006 18:53 |
The Rush 30th anniversary tour was the best music tour of all time. |
| SK 14.09.2006 20:10 |
Gordie Howe wrote: The Rush 30th anniversary tour was the best music tour of all time.You spelled Rolling Stones, and Exile On Main St Tour wrong man ;) |
| Sebastian 14.09.2006 20:52 |
There were many bigger and better tours by many artists, including Queen themselves. IMO. |
| newcastle 86 14.09.2006 21:00 |
impact wise and media coverage the magic tour was massive bigger than the sones and anythin the who had to offer...... |
| newcastle 86 14.09.2006 21:01 |
thatll be ....the stones |
| Saint Jiub 14.09.2006 21:07 |
Every Queen tour after Queen II tour is better music wise (except for the Queen + PR tour. The Magic Tour had a somewhat stale Greatest Hits type set list, and there were only four new songs (aside from cover versions). |
| Gordie Howe 14.09.2006 21:24 |
The Who Live At Leeds wrote:Grab a dictionary dude. That is NOT how you spell Frankfurt, Germany :-DGordie Howe wrote: The Rush 30th anniversary tour was the best music tour of all time.You spelled Rolling Stones, and Exile On Main St Tour wrong man ;) |
| SK 14.09.2006 21:32 |
Gordie Howe wrote:lmao :DThe Who Live At Leeds wrote:Grab a dictionary dude. That is NOT how you spell Frankfurt, Germany :-DGordie Howe wrote: The Rush 30th anniversary tour was the best music tour of all time.You spelled Rolling Stones, and Exile On Main St Tour wrong man ;) Seriously though, when it came to setlists and performance. Exile On Main St Tour was awesome. Magic Tour wasn't as great as Crazy or Hot Space. Sorry loves, Queen wasn't as perfect as you may have wanted them to be :/(RUSH is amazing live btw!) |
| Josh Henson 14.09.2006 21:38 |
Queen + Paul Rodgers Japan Tour 2005. The best ever!!! |
| Ayreon 15.09.2006 04:19 |
For me it's certainly one of the greatest. For us Queen fans it is. Who cares what others think? |
| una999 15.09.2006 06:21 |
Of course these days it's easier to sell out staduims (and there are higher capacity stadiums) so 1986 wouldn't reallt stand up. Looking back does it matter?? If anyone ever shows it it's Wembley which is big enough and that was one DAM good concert. Queen could have done it so so so so better though if they had done songs like - play the game, save me, stone cold crazy, lily of the valley, my melancholy blues, ogre battle etc. Can u imagine how good Lily of the Valley would have sounded in Wembley stadium. I prefered the earlier tours especially around the early 80's cos Freddie played piano and there was more of a balance to the concerts. But in 86 his voice was pretty amazing! That reallt annoys me about Queen - what the hell makes Brian think we want to listen to Brighton Rock...was there not someone there telling them that they had all those great songs i just mentioned???? |
| Regor 15.09.2006 07:23 |
I happen to love Brighton Rock live... every fiddling second, to be honest. And I know a lot of others do too... Anyway, the Magic Tour was a good one, they had fun on stage and large crowds. We fans tend to want to hear the lesser known tracks, okay, but as an event, the magic tour was a big one. Didn't they call it the "Queen Tornado" ? |
| FriedChicken 15.09.2006 07:27 |
His '86 voice was amazing??? Are you on dope man? Freddie's voice in 1986 sucked so hard! It's really terrible, can't sing the high notes, screams a lot, voice is very raspy compared to the other tours. Voice is very tired |
| deleted user 15.09.2006 08:15 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: His '86 voice was amazing??? Are you on dope man? Freddie's voice in 1986 sucked so hard! It's really terrible, can't sing the high notes, screams a lot, voice is very raspy compared to the other tours. Voice is very tiredI agree. His '82 voice was FAAAAR better! But i'm not saying i don't like the '86 one at all. |
| runner70 15.09.2006 08:15 |
Gordie Howe wrote:Frankfurt was just a near sellout because they had to cancel Munich because of poor Ticket sales and the tickets for Munich were valid for Frankfurt. They didnt sell this one out either. In Europe Rush aint that big!The Who Live At Leeds wrote:Grab a dictionary dude. That is NOT how you spell Frankfurt, Germany :-DGordie Howe wrote: The Rush 30th anniversary tour was the best music tour of all time.You spelled Rolling Stones, and Exile On Main St Tour wrong man ;) |
| runner70 15.09.2006 08:17 |
una999 wrote: But in 86 his voice was pretty amazing! That reallt annoys me about Queen - what the hell makes Brian think we want to listen to Brighton Rock...was there not someone there telling them that they had all those great songs i just mentioned????His voice was shot at Wembley - dont listen to the official version which was clearly sung in the studio partly. The bootleg sounds like if it was another concert!!! |
| koldweather123 15.09.2006 10:18 |
Wemebley isn't really a fair concert to use because he clearly was having a hard time that night. A great concert to listen to if you want to hear him at his peak in 1986 is in Leiden, that is one hell of a concert in terms of vocals, a lot of power but also quite a few high notes. The magic tour was great but it did appear to be a touch stale at times and i always find the Wemebley show stale I'm sorry to say, where as Knebworth, Budapest and also Leiden also sound better. The best set-list was quite possibly the Works tour, which i think probably had the best blend between the older tracks and the newer stuff. Just a shame his vocals weren't the best during that tour, though the Japan leg was pretty good, esp at Budoken, thats one I'd also recommend |
| Tim June 15.09.2006 10:43 |
Runner70 wrote: "Don't listen to the official version which was clearly sung in the studio partly." I believe too, that Freddie's voice was this day not in top shape, but if wembley was orginal such a vocal-disaster, and had to be partly resung in the studio... why have they decided 1989/1990 to release the concert in december 1990 at all? And as D-LP long after Freddie Tribute in summer 1992. The vhs-video is aproax 75min, but the D-LP includes nearly the full show (except end of Tutti Frutti). Therefore all the songs that are not on the original vhs, must sound significantly different/bad, compared to the manipulated one's at the vhs and live magic. It was shure a lot of work to manipulate the recordings again (like for Live Killers)... If you we're rig"ht, I think there was no real need / force to release this concert at all, they alread had Budapest in public, with a far better performance. Übrigens schön hier jemanden von QFCG Forum zu treffen! Ich kann nämlich eigentlich kein Englisch... ha...ha... Grammatik, was ist das denn ??? |
| louvox 15.09.2006 11:56 |
Are you serious? When did the rest of the world cease to exist? (I.E. USA, Japan, Australia) I’m very sure we were all part of this planet back 1986. Queen ignored the rest of us. Probably because we all knew that most everything after “The Game” was sub-par and in England and Europe they could no wrong. |
| bgordon88 15.09.2006 11:58 |
Well I was there at Wembley and his voice sounded fine at the time. Live shows aren't really made to be picked apart by people at home afterwards. You really don't notice minor faults in the heat of the moment. |
| koldweather123 15.09.2006 12:28 |
I think that his stage show that night at Wemebley probably made his voice problems seem less obvious as i seem to notice when looking at the video again, plus the crowd no doubt was singing along which also probably helped to mask the true problems of his voice that night, esp in the first 30 minutes or so of the show. He did pick towards the end mind you, esp songs like Radio Ga Ga. Still if you compare the vocals to this and live at the bowl its easy to see the faults in his voice. |
| greaserkat 15.09.2006 12:50 |
louvox wrote: Are you serious? When did the rest of the world cease to exist? (I.E. USA, Japan, Australia) I’m very sure we were all part of this planet back 1986. Queen ignored the rest of us. Probably because we all knew that most everything after “The Game” was sub-par and in England and Europe they could no wrong.Why would they tour a country where their music is not popular anymore and the recent album did not sell very well?? They would have lost money instead of making money if they would have toured the US that year |
| Oszmercury 15.09.2006 13:38 |
A Gun Named Annabella wrote: Rolling Stones Exile On Main St'72 was the greatest tour ever ;)Agree with u dude, the best, amazin, mick taylor and the best stones period ever! |
| una999 15.09.2006 14:12 |
Ok! A lot of people seem to be saying his voice was bad at Wembley - am i deaf listening to Tie your mother down or in the lap of the gods, now i'm here??? It is a bit lame near the end of the show (from bo rap onwards) and budapest is far better for the lighter songs I agree his voice was better in the early 80's but still there was more power and rasp in his voice at 86 which is nice and different to hear. Wembley does get annoying after a while, but all DVDs do. Could have been so much better if they had done the correct songs and not 12 min of a guitar solo or those county and western ones |
| koldweather123 15.09.2006 14:46 |
Lap of the Gods is pretty decent as is Now I'm here from Wemebley but Tie your Mother down sounds like a struggle, compare it to both Budapest and Kneworth and you can clearly see what one is the worst. for example, Lap of the Gods from Budapest, quite possibly better then Wemebley for vocals: link The main problem with Wemebley is that he is not singing, but shouting the songs out because of how rough is voice is, he did develop a habit of shouting a little in the last few tours anyway but its really evident there. I tend to thinkthe best way to really see how the voice is is just listen to the Audio because there you don't have the very good stage performance to mask the rather indifferent vocal performance. (By the way, I actually think the second half of that show is where he was best, he went for the higher notes on Radio Ga Ga and WATC) |
| Asterik 16.09.2006 11:38 |
I prefer Fred's 86 voice to his 82 voice and no I'm not on dope. In 82 it was all too perfect, too nice, and tuneful, in 86 he belted the songs out, I've never heard such ferocity in Under Pressure for example. The sheer power on AKOM and WWTLF is extraordinary, almost operatic. True his voice was rougher but thank God, this is stadium rock for goodness sake. I much prefer his barking vocal delivery on TYMD and NIH, at least he sings like he's bothered unlike at Milton keynes. That Hot Space tour is hideously overrated by people who just try to find something good out of Hot Space. The Magic tour was brilliant, yes the set wasn't the best, yes I would have liked more piano but the power on those songs is amazing. |
| Mr.Jingles 16.09.2006 12:14 |
Greatest in terms of what? Performance or sound and stage production? Back in 1997 U2's PopMart featured the largest screen in the world, a giant 100 foot tall arch, and a top class sound system. Yet, the performances were piss poor with Bono singing out of tune falsettos, humping cameras, and a setlist that left out a lot of U2 classics for cheesy produced electronica tracks. In conclusion, great stages don't always make great concerts. |
| koldweather123 16.09.2006 15:55 |
Asterik, his voice was too perfect??? Thats rubbish IMO, how can a voice be too perfect. You simply can't compare 1982 to 1986. In terms of technical ability ther eis no comprasion, 1982 owns 1986 in all but Falsetto. Not only that but he just couldn't hit the very high notes at all apart from when he shouted...which isn't singing!!! However I do agree that songs like TYMD do sound better when barked out, I haven't heard one bad TYMD from the 86 tour yet! Also I do think people under-rate his voice in the 1986, it isn't quite as bad as everyone makes out to be, its simply that they have only watched Wemebley which is up there with some of his less impressive vocal perfromances. Certainly Knebworth, budapest and Leiden are as good as any concert he ever did in terms of vocals. |
| una999 17.09.2006 06:52 |
his voice was excellent at wembley - compare him to bono |
| mike hunt 18.09.2006 02:49 |
I like his voice at wembly, it's true in 1982 his voice is superior and amazing, but wembly his voice was great also. I think people concrentrate to much on two or three songs that freddie voice failed. The two disapointing songs that stand out to me are another on bites the dust and I want to break free, also maybe one vision. There are also performances that are my all time favorite from any rock singer, these are tie your mother down, lap of the gods, who wants to live forever, is this the world we created, magic, radio ga ga, impromtu, so yes, I think his voice was at his worst and best ever, but the majority of this show his voice is at his operatic best. |
| Mr.Jingles 18.09.2006 09:22 |
People tend to exaggerate a lot about how bad Freddie sounds at Wembley 86. Freddie didn't sound bad at all. You could tell that his vocal performance wasn't the best, but he still sounded great. Besides, if you hear Freddie at Earls Court 77, you'll find that he fucks up on 'Death On Two Legs'. So it wasn't only during the 80s gigs. |
| SK 18.09.2006 09:26 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Greatest in terms of what? Performance or sound and stage production? Back in 1997 U2's PopMart featured the largest screen in the world, a giant 100 foot tall arch, and a top class sound system. Yet, the performances were piss poor with Bono singing out of tune falsettos, humping cameras, and a setlist that left out a lot of U2 classics for cheesy produced electronica tracks. In conclusion, great stages don't always make great concerts.Agreed. On another note, my favourite Queen tour is Jazz(1979), Funnily enough Jazz is one of my fave Queen albums. |
| koldweather123 18.09.2006 13:33 |
Certainly Freddie was at his best in terms of vocals between 1979-1982, some amazing performances. Mr.Jingles, from what i heard of the tours between 1977-1978 it does seem he was going through one of his less impressive spells of vocals (Though there were some good shows, like houston.) which showed very much so during the Japan 1979 tour, where he was much worse then he was in the Magic tour (And even worse then most of the works tour as well!!!) I have'nt really heard alot of Queens early tours so i can't relaly get a good idea of what is Freddie's average vocal performances. Despite what some may say, I do think the vocals of 1986 tour was pretty deecnt from Freddie, better then the works and also Jazz tour, though some way behind the amazing Game/Crazy tour and also Hot Space tour. |
| Asterik 18.09.2006 16:33 |
koldweather123 wrote: Asterik, his voice was too perfect??? |
| Asterik 18.09.2006 16:36 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Greatest in terms of what? Performance or sound and stage production? Back in 1997 U2's PopMart featured the largest screen in the world, a giant 100 foot tall arch, and a top class sound system. Yet, the performances were piss poor with Bono singing out of tune falsettos, humping cameras, and a setlist that left out a lot of U2 classics for cheesy produced electronica tracks. In conclusion, great stages don't always make great concerts.Well it's better than the rent a conscience crap we get from them now. Long live Pop Mart I say. Mofo was a great concert opener- I for one would rather hear that than the tired old dross- Pride In The Name Of Love et al. I want U2 to experiment again. |
| Mr.Jingles 18.09.2006 18:58 |
Sorry, I'd much rather hear Bono give us a lecture about why we should help fight poverty in Africa than watch him with that pathetic make-up and rubbing his crotch on a camera. I like bands to try things that are different, but if U2 were just trying to mock themselves, I didn't find the joke funny at all. |
| mike hunt 19.09.2006 02:30 |
Sk, the bottom line is it's all a matter of opinion. I never said ANATO deserved #1, but queen were easily better than the sex pistols and nirvana. Rolling stones top ten was ok, but what comes after that, one must scratch the head. Remember, this is the same magazine that had "cobain" as a better guitarist than eddie van halen and brian may in their top 100 guitarists. What a joke! |
| mike hunt 19.09.2006 02:31 |
whoops, wrong topic! LOL. |
| Markman38 19.09.2006 03:31 |
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO I was there saw it and although it was great to see Queen liuev I was disappointed it was just a greatest hits jukebox with no suprises and I can't say thta I had the idea thta they where performing thte best they could so NO NO NO NO NO Compare it with Live Killers the 1976,1977 and even 1981 and 1982 tours...1986 was an awfull tour |
| una999 19.09.2006 08:37 |
another one bites the dust sounds great at wembley and so does i want to break free - are some people deaf!?? i mean listen to those 2 songs from knebworth on the live magic cd and which ones sound better?? wembley not only for freddies voice but also the band sound seems better 86 was their greatest tour except they did crap songs - so as a result my favourite tour wud prob be jazz or early 80's |
| una999 19.09.2006 08:38 |
oh also compare another one bites the dust at wembley and live at the bowl. no comparrison there. 82 one sounds so gay! |
| koldweather123 19.09.2006 15:06 |
Una999, knebworth gets my vote in terms of voice, though the 1986 Wembeley probably is one of the best versions overall live. I don't mind him having those rough edges, indeed he does sound very powerful at times. In the end it all depends on what you look for in a voice, I tend to look for a good clean strong note...something that wasn't allthat common in the later tours thanks to all the shouting. Others may well just look for power and couldn't vcare less whether he wasn't hitting even the moderatly high notes, like Wemebley. I personally would put higher range and cleaner sounding note over operatic power myslef... I'd easily place Knebowrth, Budapest and also Leiden over Wemebley and there are probably over nights such as Manheim that I'd also place above Wemebley, if anything Wemebley was one of the least impressive nights on that entire tour. (ps, Una, sounds like you have a preferance to a deeper voice then his higher pitch voice he had at earlier live concerts.) |
| una999 20.09.2006 09:26 |
Well yes its nice to hear his deeper voice becasue how often do you hear a voice like that?! But having said that I equally love his voice from the 70's, but he played far more piano then. That's probably why. |
| Asterik 20.09.2006 17:07 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Sorry, I'd much rather hear Bono give us a lecture about why we should help fight poverty in Africa than watch him with that pathetic make-up and rubbing his crotch on a camera. I like bands to try things that are different, but if U2 were just trying to mock themselves, I didn't find the joke funny at all.Achtung Baby wasn't self-mockery. Zoo TV was a massive satire on satellite television, commercialism and consumerism, which involved U2 having a bit of fun. Why all this belief in earnesty? You're on a website of a band that continually mocked themselves in video, onstage in interviews yet you demand the opposite. Very strange. |
| john bodega 21.09.2006 11:44 |
U2 is self mockery, period. To address the topic question ; well, anything is better than the Works tour. |
| Mr.Jingles 21.09.2006 12:32 |
Asterik wrote:Personally I think that U2s self-mockery affected their musical focus. I don't mind bands changing as long as the change is for good. 'Achtung Baby' proved that U2 had the ability to re-invent and improve, but what came afterwards was so experimental and so self-mocking that it definitely weakened their work.Mr.Jingles wrote: Sorry, I'd much rather hear Bono give us a lecture about why we should help fight poverty in Africa than watch him with that pathetic make-up and rubbing his crotch on a camera. I like bands to try things that are different, but if U2 were just trying to mock themselves, I didn't find the joke funny at all.Achtung Baby wasn't self-mockery. Zoo TV was a massive satire on satellite television, commercialism and consumerism, which involved U2 having a bit of fun. Why all this belief in earnesty? You're on a website of a band that continually mocked themselves in video, onstage in interviews yet you demand the opposite. Very strange. |
| Asterik 22.09.2006 11:58 |
Personally I think that U2s self-mockery affected their musical focus. I don't mind bands changing as long as the change is for good. 'Achtung Baby' proved that U2 had the ability to re-invent and improve, but what came afterwards was so experimental and so self-mocking that it definitely weakened their work. Fair enough we'll agee to disagree. |
| goldenglobe 22.09.2006 12:49 |
It was quite big but not really, really big. critical questons: -Why only 45000 people at Hippodrome de Vincennes (capacity about 85000) -Why moved from Stade de l'ouest to the quite small Amphitheatre in Fréjus? -Why the hell 3 times Goenoord'Hallen in Leiden, and not for exemple a a Stadium in Holland? -Why only the Mini Estadi de FC Barcelone (appr 20000) instead of Camp Nou (appr 80000)? -why in Munich the indoor hall and not the Olympic Stadium? |
| rocks. 22.09.2006 13:08 |
the greatest? Nah...was it good? Yah. But for example, Queen's 76 tours had a really trippy setlist, ranks higher in my book. :D |
| goldenglobe 22.09.2006 14:17 |
by the way: check out Michael Jacksons Bad / Dangerous / History Tours, those were the real big mega tours... |