freddie lives 28817 12.09.2006 06:30 |
Sorry - not an announce, but does anyone (Adam - you seem to be the pro around here) fancy using all the available elements to come up with a decent 5.1 mix of the album? All we'd really need done are the tracks NOT on the DVD... Does anyone have the software to create a dts track as opposed to a dolby dig 5.1? |
FriedChicken 12.09.2006 06:57 |
You can only make attempts but you will end up with something which is miles and miles away from a real 5.1 mix. |
freddie lives 28817 12.09.2006 19:08 |
Of course it'll not be as good as a proper one as you'd need individual elements, but there are a couple of good 5.1 dts cds out there of DATR and SHA done by a fan. There's also a Q2, but that's got a few problems... |
Fireplace 12.09.2006 19:42 |
freddie lives wrote: Of course it'll not be as good as a proper one as you'd need individual elements, but there are a couple of good 5.1 dts cds out there of DATR and SHA done by a fan. There's also a Q2, but that's got a few problems...I'm very interested in DATR 5.1. Any clues as to where I might find it? |
father to my son 13.09.2006 02:54 |
link here you go heres the link , |
father to my son 13.09.2006 02:56 |
link and this ones the sheer heart attack , all done by a fan , its a dts upmix |
Crezchi 13.09.2006 03:32 |
How many conversations do i have to have with some of these users here?? You CANNOT make a 5.1 mix WITHOUT the MULTI-TRACK RECORDING!!!! It is as simple as that! Please quit labeling these multi-layered tracks as 5.1 mixes. |
father to my son 13.09.2006 03:36 |
these links are for 5.0 dts upmix , they have used a software to make these , which takes around 15 mins a track , i like them , its better than nothing , and the roger taylor fun in space dts upmix is great , simple really if you dont like them , dont get them |
Crezchi 13.09.2006 03:39 |
father to my son wrote: these links are for 5.0 dts upmix , they have used a software to make these , which takes around 15 mins a track , i like them , its better than nothing , and the roger taylor fun in space dts upmix is great , simple really if you dont like them , dont get themThat's fine, then people who do not have the knowledge of Studio and mixing audio shouldn't label these as 5.1 mixes. |
Fireplace 13.09.2006 08:29 |
Crezchi wrote:Wrong sonny! I happen to be someone who does know a fair bit about audio processing, and I say if I take a stereo recording and add 4 tracks of white noise, it's still a 5.1 mix. Whether or not the result is listenable is a different discussion entirely. I am just being curious what it sounds like, that's all. By the way, which studio do you work at?father to my son wrote: these links are for 5.0 dts upmix , they have used a software to make these , which takes around 15 mins a track , i like them , its better than nothing , and the roger taylor fun in space dts upmix is great , simple really if you dont like them , dont get themThat's fine, then people who do not have the knowledge of Studio and mixing audio shouldn't label these as 5.1 mixes. |
father to my son 13.09.2006 09:14 |
here, here , like i said before , if you dont like them , dont download them , fireplace tell me what you think about them |
Crezchi 13.09.2006 17:57 |
Fireplace wrote:And you have made a fool out of yourself! If you do not have the MULTI-TRACK recording, you cannot create a true 5.1 mix. It is like taking an old VHS and converting it to dvd. You cannot create quality that is simply not there from the original. You may mask it and make it sound better, or copy certain parts or tracks in to the others to make it seem 5.1, but technically you cannot creat a true 5.1 mix without multi-tracks. lol funny that you ask what studio i work at! lol Actually my dad owns and operates a recording studio, and 2 of my friends are Studio pros who work for a company called "Live Technology" and i have another friend who works for a Studio down in L.A. plus i am a musician and i have taken studio recording/mixing classes in High School and college, and own my own recording equipment and software, mixing equipment, and i have recorded around 20 bands since 2 years ago. But that doesn't matter, the fact is what it is.Crezchi wrote:Wrong sonny! I happen to be someone who does know a fair bit about audio processing, and I say if I take a stereo recording and add 4 tracks of white noise, it's still a 5.1 mix. Whether or not the result is listenable is a different discussion entirely. I am just being curious what it sounds like, that's all. By the way, which studio do you work at?father to my son wrote: these links are for 5.0 dts upmix , they have used a software to make these , which takes around 15 mins a track , i like them , its better than nothing , and the roger taylor fun in space dts upmix is great , simple really if you dont like them , dont get themThat's fine, then people who do not have the knowledge of Studio and mixing audio shouldn't label these as 5.1 mixes. |
freddie lives 28817 13.09.2006 18:07 |
Crezchi. Stop being such an ARSE. Nobody is disputing the fact that these aren't made using the multi track master tapes and they won't be as good as if they were made by using said master tapes, BUT someone has put in a lot of work messing about with frequencies and bringing background instruments into the foreground and isolating various sounds as best as possible to create a surround mix that is as good as you will get without the using multi track master tapes. Anyway - if bloody Queen themselves can bang out a live DVD that has been "upmixed" to produce sounds that eminate from 5 speakers and a subwoofer AND then call it a 5.1 mix, then so can we!!! Now then, Father To Son. I've been waiting for that Fun in space surround dts cd - have you a link please!!?? Thanks, |
SK 13.09.2006 18:20 |
Crezchi wrote:Man, why get so worked up over it? Just relax, this is a fan mix forum after all.Fireplace wrote:And you have made a fool out of yourself! If you do not have the MULTI-TRACK recording, you cannot create a true 5.1 mix. It is like taking an old VHS and converting it to dvd. You cannot create quality that is simply not there from the original. You may mask it and make it sound better, or copy certain parts or tracks in to the others to make it seem 5.1, but technically you cannot creat a true 5.1 mix without multi-tracks. lol funny that you ask what studio i work at! lol Actually my dad owns and operates a recording studio, and 2 of my friends are Studio pros who work for a company called "Live Technology" and i have another friend who works for a Studio down in L.A. plus i am a musician and i have taken studio recording/mixing classes in High School and college, and own my own recording equipment and software, mixing equipment, and i have recorded around 20 bands since 2 years ago. But that doesn't matter, the fact is what it is.Crezchi wrote:Wrong sonny! I happen to be someone who does know a fair bit about audio processing, and I say if I take a stereo recording and add 4 tracks of white noise, it's still a 5.1 mix. Whether or not the result is listenable is a different discussion entirely. I am just being curious what it sounds like, that's all. By the way, which studio do you work at?father to my son wrote: these links are for 5.0 dts upmix , they have used a software to make these , which takes around 15 mins a track , i like them , its better than nothing , and the roger taylor fun in space dts upmix is great , simple really if you dont like them , dont get themThat's fine, then people who do not have the knowledge of Studio and mixing audio shouldn't label these as 5.1 mixes. |
Crezchi 13.09.2006 18:25 |
freddie lives wrote: Crezchi. Stop being such an ARSE. Nobody is disputing the fact that these aren't made using the multi track master tapes and they won't be as good as if they were made by using said master tapes, BUT someone has put in a lot of work messing about with frequencies and bringing background instruments into the foreground and isolating various sounds as best as possible to create a surround mix that is as good as you will get without the using multi track master tapes. Anyway - if bloody Queen themselves can bang out a live DVD that has been "upmixed" to produce sounds that eminate from 5 speakers and a subwoofer AND then call it a 5.1 mix, then so can we!!! Now then, Father To Son. I've been waiting for that Fun in space surround dts cd - have you a link please!!?? Thanks,First, i am not an ARSE, i have one just like you. lol But i am NOT trying to cause problems, it's just that when this other person(s) claim they can make a true 5.1 mix without the Multi-Track recording, it gets under my skin because it is impossible! I appreciate these FAN mixes, even if they are not true 5.1, but i just think there shouldn't be a label on them for something they are not, that way everyone knows what they are. |
Fireplace 13.09.2006 18:38 |
For someone who is such a genius you sure read badly. Anything containing six separate audio channels is true 5.1, even it's the same mono channel six times over. You can choose to have 6 different tracks on 6 channels, or the same track with slight EQ differences, it's still 5.1. On most older live music DVD's you only hear the audience and a bit of reverb in the rear speakers. Whether or not you approve of that is completely irrelevant, although I agree that fan mixers shouldn't try to pass it off as the genuine thing. For the record, in this case nobody did. Perhaps you ought to be a bit careful who you call a fool, I might still come and collect my copy of Sunbury 1974. |
father to my son 14.09.2006 01:35 |
to freddie lives , roger's fun in space the link is no more , email at canddhowell@tiscali.co.uk |
FriedChicken 14.09.2006 04:26 |
Maybe these so called surround mixes do the same technique as the quadrophonic or whatever it's called sets do. They make an out of phase signal from the original stereo signal and put in the 2 speakers in the back |
freddie lives 28817 14.09.2006 08:17 |
Father To Son - I've sent you an email from renewedhealth. |
Fireplace 14.09.2006 08:57 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: Maybe these so called surround mixes do the same technique as the quadrophonic or whatever it's called sets do. They make an out of phase signal from the original stereo signal and put in the 2 speakers in the backMostly, yes. Unless an album was specifically made for quadrophonic systems, they did that for a short while in the 70's (Pink Floyd!). The reason stereo was the accepted standard for so long, is that fact that human beings have two ears. What the industry forgot is that people hear in 360 degrees, so the use of more than two channels is not a waste. For live amplification quadrophonics didn't work. The idea was to have two channels front and two channels rear, but in large stadiums the people at the back only heard the rear speakers, thereby missing out on roughly half the sound. |
father to my son 14.09.2006 10:44 |
to freddie lives , you have an reply |
Crezchi 14.09.2006 14:27 |
Fireplace wrote: For someone who is such a genius you sure read badly. Anything containing six separate audio channels is true 5.1, even it's the same mono channel six times over. You can choose to have 6 different tracks on 6 channels, or the same track with slight EQ differences, it's still 5.1. On most older live music DVD's you only hear the audience and a bit of reverb in the rear speakers. Whether or not you approve of that is completely irrelevant, although I agree that fan mixers shouldn't try to pass it off as the genuine thing. For the record, in this case nobody did. Perhaps you ought to be a bit careful who you call a fool, I might still come and collect my copy of Sunbury 1974.You are missing the whole point of true 5.1! Go ahead beliving what you want, i don't care. lol Yeah come collect a copy of Sunbury 74! I never said that i had this, so won't you be in disapointment? And maybe while you are here i can drive you over to my friends recording company and show you how it is really done? lol Have a nice day there buddy. |
father to my son 15.09.2006 02:31 |
SOUNDS LIKE SHIT ANYWAYS constructive crictism , NOT |
father to my son 15.09.2006 07:37 |
first point , have you heard the roger taylor fun in space dts upmix , and 2nd dont get them if you dont like them , peace . |
father to my son 15.09.2006 07:40 |
Get the entire point everyone? These are NOT real 5.1 mixes did not say they were , they were done by a fan , calm down and get a grip young man |
Ale_Pisa 16.09.2006 07:42 |
I have download the 5.1 mix of ADATR from Mininova but I have a problem... I can't hear! Why? I must burn on a dvd or a cd? I can hear this album on the pc or only on a dvd player? Cheers Ale |
father to my son 16.09.2006 09:41 |
link this might help you |
Ale_Pisa 16.09.2006 19:55 |
father to my son wrote: link this might help youThanks! |
Adam Baboolal 19.09.2006 05:04 |
Right... well. The original premise is certainly possible whereby you would basically be upmixing to 5.1. Yes, believe it or not, 5.1. It's unfair to say to these people making them that they are not creating true mixes. They are, in a way. And as someone correctly pointed out, Spread Your Wings on the first GVH dvd is upmixed. And there are plenty of other similar examples on the market. When you upmix a stereo track like something from Barcelona, you'll find that there are certain instruments mixed into the track that unfold into the rears. This is a real effect that is similar to how Dolby Surround (DS) films are made. Those DS films are basically stereo tracks with certain phase information that can be decoded into the surround channels. Not to mention, center and subwoofer channels too. Because of the way some music is mixed, this decoding can actually work really well with certain music mixes. Hence why there are people here that say this Fun In Space albums sounds really good. Or maybe, these mixes have also been altered by the mix-er(!) to create certain effects like someone here has also said. So, all I'm saying is that these 5.1 mixes should be seen as as close to legit surround mixes as can be. They may not be discrete channel mixes like the official dvda releases. But they do what they set out to do. Therefore, they ARE 5.1 mixes. And anyone's opinion on them being false is theirs and theirs alone. In other words, no point trying to spoil people's fun. Adam. |
freddie lives 28817 20.09.2006 05:08 |
Well, I've got the software now to create 5.1 mixes from a stereo track. I've tested it on a number of songs including: Another World, Mustapha, Back To The Light, It's A Sin and the theme tune to the Tripods. It seems to work better with synthesizer music in that you get obvious elements that come from the rears that aren't as obvious on the fronts - whoosing noises for example - probably because there is less going on than in a Queen recording! Tripods sounds amazing! Mustapha is also great as you get the songs starting off at the front as you would expect, but then the software is clever enough to transfer Brian's electric guitar sound to the rears on the couple of occasions that that kicks in during the track. Basically what seems to be happening is that the front speakers contain the normal sound you'd hear on a stereo mix, but then the rears output the least amount of lead vocal possible (works better on some tracks than others) with things like backing guitar and cow bells and drum stick tapping being more noticable than before. The centre speaker is obviously the vocals, but there is a bit of low level instrumentation there as well. In effect, the whole sound now seems more spaced out. All in all, I love this software and I'll be doing all the solo stuff first before moving onto the queen albums, 12", b sides etc. It's going to take a while, but if folks are interested I can always make torrents available... |
Adam Baboolal 20.09.2006 05:45 |
Remember the software does nothing particular. I.E. Your comment about it being clever enough to put Brian's guitar in the back at times. It isn't doing this on purpose. This is due to the way the stereo track was mixed. Obviously, to me, these particular sections you mention are being high-lighted for a reason in the original mix. All the software can ever be doing is thus: Center Channel = Phantom center of a mix with some bass cut to remove most bass guitar (there will always be background instrumentation like drums here too. Front L+R = The original mix usually with the phase information taken out for... Rear L+R = The phase information from the original mix now inserted into the rear speakers. And there's even one for the sub, but not much really, unless we're talking Dolby Surround films. Adam. |
freddie lives 28817 20.09.2006 06:42 |
Thanks for the more technical explanation Adam - you are, of course, strictly correct! :) |
Adam Baboolal 22.09.2006 06:02 |
young_strat_man wrote: Still NOT TRUE 5.1 So quit calling them that!You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!! |
Fireplace 23.09.2006 14:16 |
young_strat_man wrote:Good idea. Why don't you retire from this forum altogether?Adam Baboolal wrote:haahahaha Hello Jack! lol i will retire from this thread now that you have made me laugh. :) Cheers Adam, :)young_strat_man wrote: Still NOT TRUE 5.1 So quit calling them that!You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!! |
Adam Baboolal 23.09.2006 14:36 |
Don't agitate the situation now... |