QueenZone discussion #875031

NTL wrote: Brian has recently said that no footage of Knebworth exists as the stuff fed to the screen was not recorded (contradicting something he said a while ago), however after spending the last hour or so comparing videos I am certain this is untrue. 'On My Way Up' has mentioned this before but I have only just had a look for myself. On the Freddie Tribute video (tape 1) there is LOADS of footage fron Knebworth with Freddie in his all white jacket, and it IS from Knebworth as its exactly what is on the big screen on the bootleg video. To give you two good examples there is the army salute thing which he does at the end of Bo-Rap (think this is also on TSMGO video). Also if you watch the Tribute vid there is a montage of clips with IWIA playing over the top (think its between Extream an Def Leppard). On this you see Freddie in his white jacket on the stairs at the right of the stage doing this air guitar thing, watch the bootleg vid and you will see this exact shot immediately after the guitar solo in HTF when it cuts from Brian to Freddie. And there is lots more, have a look for yourself. So my question to Greg is, if the big screen footage was not recorded where did the footage mentioned above come from ?

Palabras wrote:

NTL wrote: Brian has recently said that no footage of Knebworth exists as the stuff fed to the screen was not recorded (contradicting something he said a while ago), however after spending the last hour or so comparing videos I am certain this is untrue. 'On My Way Up' has mentioned this before but I have only just had a look for myself. On the Freddie Tribute video (tape 1) there is LOADS of footage fron Knebworth with Freddie in his all white jacket, and it IS from Knebworth as its exactly what is on the big screen on the bootleg video. To give you two good examples there is the army salute thing which he does at the end of Bo-Rap (think this is also on TSMGO video). Also if you watch the Tribute vid there is a montage of clips with IWIA playing over the top (think its between Extream an Def Leppard). On this you see Freddie in his white jacket on the stairs at the right of the stage doing this air guitar thing, watch the bootleg vid and you will see this exact shot immediately after the guitar solo in HTF when it cuts from Brian to Freddie. And there is lots more, have a look for yourself. So my question to Greg is, if the big screen footage was not recorded where did the footage mentioned above come from ?

Finally , someone who is with me on this!!!I'm so glad now:-)What you say is entirely true!!!It is exact the same footage!!NOT the footage from the doro camera team!!!The doro camera team had no feed to the big screen!!!

on my way up wrote:

Palabras wrote:

NTL wrote: Brian has recently said that no footage of Knebworth exists as the stuff fed to the screen was not recorded (contradicting something he said a while ago), however after spending the last hour or so comparing videos I am certain this is untrue. 'On My Way Up' has mentioned this before but I have only just had a look for myself. On the Freddie Tribute video (tape 1) there is LOADS of footage fron Knebworth with Freddie in his all white jacket, and it IS from Knebworth as its exactly what is on the big screen on the bootleg video. To give you two good examples there is the army salute thing which he does at the end of Bo-Rap (think this is also on TSMGO video). Also if you watch the Tribute vid there is a montage of clips with IWIA playing over the top (think its between Extream an Def Leppard). On this you see Freddie in his white jacket on the stairs at the right of the stage doing this air guitar thing, watch the bootleg vid and you will see this exact shot immediately after the guitar solo in HTF when it cuts from Brian to Freddie. And there is lots more, have a look for yourself. So my question to Greg is, if the big screen footage was not recorded where did the footage mentioned above come from ?

Finally , someone who is with me on this!!!I'm so glad now:-)What you say is entirely true!!!It is exact the same footage!!NOT the footage from the doro camera team!!!The doro camera team had no feed to the big screen!!!

Serry... wrote: It would be strange if DoRo filmed the parts from completely different angles, wouldn't? It was live show and they worked in the places where they could work as well as cameramen whose cameras were working for the big screens. And talking about DoRo footages - I don't know how better to desribe them - but they looks like "cinema" (just compare Freddie's "Day-Oh" from Magic Years with Wembley DVD - absolutely different quality of footage, not talking about slighlty different angle), for the screens it was "video" (why should someone use cinema film for broadcasting on the screen?!). Besides that - why should they lie about this tape? What for?

Serry... wrote: I mean that you have to compare not angles, but quality of used tape/film/picture! Question is not in colour of Freddie's pants, man! a) DoRo filmed what they wanted from the same angles, because technically it was easier, place was already prepared b) DoRo used different kind of tape/film; using of cinema tape for broadcasting show on the big screen is funny, but useless therefore you can't compare these footages! (just as I wrote in previous post - compare quality of Freddie's dayohs on Wembley - DVD by Gavin Taylor and Magic Years by Rudi Dolezal) c) why should Brian lie about this tape?

on my way up wrote: Freddie's pants are important to know whether this show was knebworth or another magic tour gig. My point is just: there were 2 different camerateams!!One that filmed for the big screen and the doro team that filmed other stuff like the audience.You can see footage from ITTWWC on magic years.That was filmed by the DoRo team.I don't think they had anything to do with the big screen.That is what Brian said.I think Brian makes a mistake when he says there is no footage from Knebworth.The above mentioned shots are proof of that

Serry... wrote:

on my way up wrote: Freddie's pants are important to know whether this show was knebworth or another magic tour gig. My point is just: there were 2 different camerateams!!One that filmed for the big screen and the doro team that filmed other stuff like the audience.You can see footage from ITTWWC on magic years.That was filmed by the DoRo team.I don't think they had anything to do with the big screen.That is what Brian said.I think Brian makes a mistake when he says there is no footage from Knebworth.The above mentioned shots are proof of that

It's not just your point - it's reality! Two teams! One - for the screens, another one to film FEW footages for documentary, not complete show. Therefore - there's no complete professional video of this show. Brian didn't make any mistake in his post at all - Freddie's pants proved that those damned pants were filmed by two DIFFERENT cameras and you're talking about footages by camera which hadn't film the whole show. That's the point!

Serry... wrote: Man, read again WHAT Brian wrote: "There is a little bit of documentary footage in existence, also shot at the time separately, by Rudi and Hannes, I think ... which includes some beautiful audience footage - which has been used in the odd documentary. ... but that's it."

on my way up wrote: So , the footage from the big screens doesn't exist?I don't agree.You can see footage from the big screens on freddie's tribute dvd, the freddie inserts!!It's exact the same footage from the big screens.How is that possible when that footage doesn't exist?That's a simple questionfor you. And hey ,I don't want to offend you!!So , don't get angry:-)

Serry... wrote:

on my way up wrote: So , the footage from the big screens doesn't exist?I don't agree.You can see footage from the big screens on freddie's tribute dvd, the freddie inserts!!It's exact the same footage from the big screens.How is that possible when that footage doesn't exist?That's a simple questionfor you. And hey ,I don't want to offend you!!So , don't get angry:-)

Oh God... Please re-read now what I wrote in this thread. Those footages were filmed a) from the SAME angle, because it's technically easier b) they're on cinema tape (it can be proven by your eyes!) -> filmed by DoRo -> not complete recording.

on my way up wrote:

Serry... wrote:

on my way up wrote: So , the footage from the big screens doesn't exist?I don't agree.You can see footage from the big screens on freddie's tribute dvd, the freddie inserts!!It's exact the same footage from the big screens.How is that possible when that footage doesn't exist?That's a simple questionfor you. And hey ,I don't want to offend you!!So , don't get angry:-)

Oh God... Please re-read now what I wrote in this thread. Those footages were filmed a) from the SAME angle, because it's technically easier b) they're on cinema tape (it can be proven by your eyes!) -> filmed by DoRo -> not complete recording.

So the DoRo-team did have a feed to the big screen?but only their camera's did record on cinema tape?Is that what you're sayin'

on my way up wrote: I can't help but find it strange that it are exact the same shots...If it are different cameramen, you woulod expect them to film different things.That are just my thoughts. Footage can be cleaned up aswell and videotape can look great aswell.Like the earl's court footage, that looks great aswell.

dodo^^ wrote: i agree.. footage from knebworth exists.. another example is on "Magic Years".. there is Radio Ga Ga from knebworth played at the end of "Magic Years Part 3".. and it even shows when queen left and than landed with the chopper.. the famous part also showed at the Show Must Go On video .. when the chopper flies over the crowd ..

Adam Baboolal wrote:

on my way up wrote: I can't help but find it strange that it are exact the same shots...If it are different cameramen, you woulod expect them to film different things.That are just my thoughts. Footage can be cleaned up aswell and videotape can look great aswell.Like the earl's court footage, that looks great aswell.

The important point that Serry has made is being able to distinguish between the video look and film look. The footage that was on the big screen was fed from VIDEO. And the torpedo twins were using FILM. If you can't tell the difference, then you're likely to feel they're lying about not having the concert. But as Serry says, why would they feel the need to lie when Brian says he'd love to put out a dvd hailed as THE last concert by Queen. He liked the idea. And he may have said they had the footage before because he'd be thinking the same as yourself. I.E. I've seen those shots, surely we have it? And then someone has a look, can't find it and finds the truth. And these 2 camera teams would film whatever they want. It may not make sense to you, but it did to them. Your thoughts are flawed in that sense because I've had cameras set up to film a panto at my theatre and there are plenty of times when we would each focus on and film the same thing on stage. It happens. Peace, Adam.

on my way up wrote:

Adam Baboolal wrote:

on my way up wrote: I can't help but find it strange that it are exact the same shots...If it are different cameramen, you woulod expect them to film different things.That are just my thoughts. Footage can be cleaned up aswell and videotape can look great aswell.Like the earl's court footage, that looks great aswell.

The important point that Serry has made is being able to distinguish between the video look and film look. The footage that was on the big screen was fed from VIDEO. And the torpedo twins were using FILM. If you can't tell the difference, then you're likely to feel they're lying about not having the concert. But as Serry says, why would they feel the need to lie when Brian says he'd love to put out a dvd hailed as THE last concert by Queen. He liked the idea. And he may have said they had the footage before because he'd be thinking the same as yourself. I.E. I've seen those shots, surely we have it? And then someone has a look, can't find it and finds the truth. And these 2 camera teams would film whatever they want. It may not make sense to you, but it did to them. Your thoughts are flawed in that sense because I've had cameras set up to film a panto at my theatre and there are plenty of times when we would each focus on and film the same thing on stage. It happens. Peace, Adam.

Exact the same shot, several times.It reamains hard to believe altough I get your point. We know for sure there isn't full footage of the band and I think that Brian doesn't like the idea of a non-edited version. That's a possibility too, isn't it?

Serry... wrote: But it's so ....... simple! Will ever QP miss the chance to make a fortune of SUCH release?! Never! Just make some promotion and you can buy Taj Mahal! "Due to the 20th anniversary of the last EVER Queen concert, to the 60th anniversary of Freddie Mercury and after brilliant tour of legendary band with Paul Rodgers Queen Productions Ltd proudly presents previously unreleased complete video of the last ever Queen concert and their biggest show at home! Behind scenes footages [with helicopter] and new interviews by band members Brian May and Roger Taylor - on 2 DVDs. You can order that release right now on shop.queenonline.com just for $30!". Jesus, they won't keep such tape for themselves...

NTL wrote: Ok I understand where everone is coming from, but the thing which also puzzels me is, if these close-up shots were filmed by Do-Ro why did they not use them in the magic years documentary ? why is the only stuff they used shot from the back of the park or filming the crowd ?

carboengine wrote: Was the white jacket only worn at Knebworth, and what is the difference in the pants? On link, in the subject box type in Queen Freddie Mercury Knebworth. There are 19 entries by an amateur videographer taken off of the big screen. I haven't had time to watch any of them, so I don't know how good/bad/authentic they are.

guild93 wrote: It would be nice to know (if no-ones said this already) what songs were filmed by Doro. So far we have: Is this the World we created? (complete) We are the Champions (we've only seen the end) Radio Gaga (again, just the end) So do WATC and Radio gaga exist in their entirety in the archives? Are there 1 or 2 more songs? Also what about other shows from the tour .... like the one where Freddie kicks the football into the crowd (Newcastle??) Luke

Serry... wrote:

NTL wrote: Ok I understand where everone is coming from, but the thing which also puzzels me is, if these close-up shots were filmed by Do-Ro why did they not use them in the magic years documentary ? why is the only stuff they used shot from the back of the park or filming the crowd ?

Do you suppose they had to use every inch of films that they have?

NTL wrote:

Serry... wrote:

NTL wrote: Ok I understand where everone is coming from, but the thing which also puzzels me is, if these close-up shots were filmed by Do-Ro why did they not use them in the magic years documentary ? why is the only stuff they used shot from the back of the park or filming the crowd ?

Do you suppose they had to use every inch of films that they have?

No, I just find it odd that that if, as you suggest they had close up shots, why they decided not to use them and instead only use stuff filmed from half a mile away.