| Marcelo_argentina 31.08.2006 18:30 |
Hi everybody,I am posting here coz I just can´t believe what I read in a newspaper (on-line). There is a reataurant in Zanzibar which is organizing a special dinner to celebrate what would have been Freddie 60´s birthday, and the goverment does not allowe them to do it coz Freddie Mercury was Homosexual. This is so terrible, I mean, I can´t believe that this is happening! How can you forbid a celebration only for the sexual condition of a person???Totally freak!.... "...But the Muslim government already demanded to cancel it because he considers that the singer violated the Islam with his “style of outlandish life”... incredible!!!!! |
| Sherwood Forest 31.08.2006 18:31 |
you should send that article to brian if it is indeed true then wow no words can even describe how sad the people running that country are |
| Joeker 31.08.2006 18:34 |
i didnt even know zanzibar was really on the map until i knew freddie was born there...thats the only good thing to ever happen there |
| deleted user 31.08.2006 18:36 |
what wankers!? ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH! STOOPID NARROW MINDED PEOPLE! :@:@:@ |
| Marcelo_argentina 31.08.2006 18:39 |
Take a look at this direction from "AP" link Sad but true! |
| deleted user 31.08.2006 18:43 |
Didn't somebody name an isopod-y something after Freddie ? I thought it was in Zanzibar, as I think the quote was something like "Arguably Zanzibar's most famous" somebody or other, oh, I don't remember. Was that connected to the government ? Was that a different government ? If you're throwing a choice(pay)-to-enter party, that's just silly. I mean, I don't see the logic. It's goes against the tenements of my fundemental system of belief.. er... capitalism. AND FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE, don't overreact. Yes, I agree, it's deplorable from my view-point. But I'm not going resort to name-calling. Name-calling is silly and won't get us anywhere. Please remember peace - give it a chance and all that ? Being level-headed is probably the thing to do ... Or not, who knows, maybe if Ghandi had just started bitching at people, he'd still be alive ? Or, if I spell things wrong, he would still be Alice. After all, there are plenty of other places to party. EDIT : After reading the article ... I have learned a new word - "bravura". It appears the party is still going on ? "Who said that my party was all over - ?" Nevermind. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 31.08.2006 19:00 |
kingarthur wrote: i didnt even know zanzibar was really on the map until i knew freddie was born there...thats the only good thing to ever happen thereSame with me actually! This is disgusting news.... Not even his own country accepts him for who he is. |
| deleted user 31.08.2006 19:05 |
<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote:Well, they DID have a revolution and everything - which I assume means some sort of government change...kingarthur wrote: i didnt even know zanzibar was really on the map until i knew freddie was born there...thats the only good thing to ever happen thereSame with me actually! This is disgusting news.... Not even his own country accepts him for who he is. But Zanzibar is just a country. It wouldn't make a difference if it was Liechtenstein trying to stop the party. Places change all the time - it is the people that do not. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 31.08.2006 19:12 |
<font color="red">The Audacity of Kelley wrote:Yeah ofcourse I know...<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote:Well, they DID have a revolution and everything - which I assume means some sort of government change... But Zanzibar is just a country. It wouldn't make a difference if it was Liechtenstein trying to stop the party. Places change all the time - it is the people that do not.kingarthur wrote: i didnt even know zanzibar was really on the map until i knew freddie was born there...thats the only good thing to ever happen thereSame with me actually! This is disgusting news.... Not even his own country accepts him for who he is. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 31.08.2006 19:53 |
I saw this on Yahoo News and posted this comment (#882) in the discussion section - === These people are idiots Freddie Mercury was the best thing Zanzibar had to offer. They should be proud of that remarkable man with such amazing talent. Instead, they fear a party honoring his birth will 'encourage homosexuality'. Idiots. Though if Freddie were still here, I've a feeling his reply to them would simply be, "Fuck off, darlings." === I think we should all post a comment. People need to be reminded who Freddie/Queen were. You can go to the bottom of the article and click 'discuss'. link |
| Armando Alejandro Estrada 31.08.2006 20:50 |
I'm sorry, but Islam is destroying this world. Sorry if I offend Muslims, but I think that most of the Westerners believe that Islam is not a religion, but a way to control people and keep them ignorant. Like Christianity used to be in Europe. Do you guys realize that a young Pakistani girl living in Italy was killed by her father because she lived like a westerner? That afterward her mother said: My daughter was a bad muslim? Plus the family didn't speak Italian except for the girl killed. Multiculturalism is bullshit!!! When you come in Occident you adapt to the culture you move to! The problem of the Westerners is that they always yield! I'm sick of all that! Since WWII, when you say something about race, you're called a racist or intolerant. I think we have tolerated a lot. Because we are white and our past, we should accept everything? When a white person goes to live in the Maghreb or in Asia, he adapt to the traditions and the ways of life there? But does the other way around hold true? NO!!! Occident has to understand that they have yielded to much and need to reinforce their immigration laws. I know that all muslims and Arabs are not intolerants, but to me it seems to me that indeed they are when you see all the atrocities perpetrated for a religion!! Religion, you gotta be kidding me. Muslims are more and more ostracized in the West and if they don't make nice, they will reinstate a Cruisade-like feeling among Westerners. I'm sick of Islam, point and simple, it's a sick religion. They treat everything bad: women, children, westerners, etc, etc, etc, etc. Read my message and think for a moment who is more intolerant. Think about it: Syria, Iran, Irak, Afghanistan. Most of the dictatorships in the world are muslim states. I condemn Islam! They talk about God, God and the only thing they do is kill people. Shame on Islam! The only thing you create is violence, hatrid and division! The more it goes, the more people in the West despise the Arabs and Muslims! They only create a feeling of racism in the West! |
| sara310 31.08.2006 20:58 |
Thats sad...they should have like a Freddie Mercury mask there...that would be funny |
| rocks. 31.08.2006 21:55 |
*sigh* That's so stupid of them. Awful... to the above anti-islam post, prepare for the brightest flame you've ever seen... |
| Marcelo_argentina 31.08.2006 21:58 |
Armando Alejandro Estrada I "Do Not" agree with you at ALL!...with your speech you behave the same way of those who you criticizes. |
| queen mercury 33542 01.09.2006 01:23 |
You're right! How can people cancil a celebration for someone because of their sexual preferences? That's terrible! That's wrong! |
| deleted user 01.09.2006 01:34 |
to Armando Alejandro Estrada as you yourself pointed out, christianity used to be the same way. would you condemn christianity as a whole because of the KKK? or the inquistion? think it out...the oppression that is taking place in some muslim countries has nothing to do with religion, it's all to do with power. religion is the excuse. islam has been around for a thousand years, and history shows us that peace is possible in a muslim country. you can't take such complicated political and cultural situations and boil it down to, "let's just get rid of islam." besides not solving a thing, it is completely impossible. as for this thing with freddie's birthday, it is indeed very sad, but it is only a facet of the problem. you can read more about it here: link |
| The prophet's song 01.09.2006 02:03 |
We are studing disparaties in Tanzania/Zanzibar at the moment, and I was the only person who could say anything about Zanzibar because of Freddie being born there. In our country, if you do something to make us heard on the world stage, you're considered a ledgend (Peter Jackson, Sir Edmond Hillary, Lord Rutherford to name a few) so Zanzibar should be THANKING Freddie for, in his own special way, increasing worldwide awareness about the place. |
| deleted user 01.09.2006 02:09 |
The prophet's song wrote: We are studing disparaties in Tanzania/Zanzibar at the moment, and I was the only person who could say anything about Zanzibar because of Freddie being born there. In our country, if you do something to make us heard on the world stage, you're considered a ledgend (Peter Jackson, Sir Edmond Hillary, Lord Rutherford to name a few) so Zanzibar should be THANKING Freddie for, in his own special way, increasing worldwide awareness about the place.yes...he's probably responsible for a good deal of tourism there. |
| The prophet's song 01.09.2006 02:24 |
<font color="33CC00">macbethscrazywife wrote:not quite what I meant, but oh well...The prophet's song wrote: We are studing disparaties in Tanzania/Zanzibar at the moment, and I was the only person who could say anything about Zanzibar because of Freddie being born there. In our country, if you do something to make us heard on the world stage, you're considered a ledgend (Peter Jackson, Sir Edmond Hillary, Lord Rutherford to name a few) so Zanzibar should be THANKING Freddie for, in his own special way, increasing worldwide awareness about the place.yes...he's probably responsible for a good deal of tourism there. |
| deleted user 01.09.2006 02:32 |
The prophet's song wrote:what did you mean then? i'm not being sarcastic...tourism is a huge chunk of zanzibar's economy. they're being very foolish to alienate their gay customers(and those with political consciences) for reasons of bigotry.<font color="33CC00">macbethscrazywife wrote:not quite what I meant, but oh well...The prophet's song wrote: We are studing disparaties in Tanzania/Zanzibar at the moment, and I was the only person who could say anything about Zanzibar because of Freddie being born there. In our country, if you do something to make us heard on the world stage, you're considered a ledgend (Peter Jackson, Sir Edmond Hillary, Lord Rutherford to name a few) so Zanzibar should be THANKING Freddie for, in his own special way, increasing worldwide awareness about the place.yes...he's probably responsible for a good deal of tourism there. |
| The prophet's song 01.09.2006 03:01 |
<font color="33CC00">macbethscrazywife wrote:Just like overall awareness about the country itself, where it is, its culture, that kind of thing.The prophet's song wrote:what did you mean then? i'm not being sarcastic...tourism is a huge chunk of zanzibar's economy. they're being very foolish to alienate their gay customers(and those with political consciences) for reasons of bigotry.<font color="33CC00">macbethscrazywife wrote:not quite what I meant, but oh well...The prophet's song wrote: We are studing disparaties in Tanzania/Zanzibar at the moment, and I was the only person who could say anything about Zanzibar because of Freddie being born there. In our country, if you do something to make us heard on the world stage, you're considered a ledgend (Peter Jackson, Sir Edmond Hillary, Lord Rutherford to name a few) so Zanzibar should be THANKING Freddie for, in his own special way, increasing worldwide awareness about the place.yes...he's probably responsible for a good deal of tourism there. |
| deleted user 01.09.2006 03:41 |
The prophet's song wrote: Just like overall awareness about the country itself, where it is, its culture, that kind of thing.that's true, although freddie never talked much about his pre-england childhood. i guess because he was pretty young when he left...i never understood why he was so avoidant about it in interviews though. maybe he just felt it was private. |
| thomasquinn 32989 01.09.2006 07:45 |
Marcelo_argentina wrote: Hi everybody,I am posting here coz I just can´t believe what I read in a newspaper (on-line). There is a reataurant in Zanzibar which is organizing a special dinner to celebrate what would have been Freddie 60´s birthday, and the goverment does not allowe them to do it coz Freddie Mercury was Homosexual.Not the government. A fundamentalist religious faction. Fundamentalists are always outrageously inhuman. |
| eenaweena 01.09.2006 08:44 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:agreed. but not all muslims are like this... probably just the extremists.Marcelo_argentina wrote: Hi everybody,I am posting here coz I just can´t believe what I read in a newspaper (on-line). There is a reataurant in Zanzibar which is organizing a special dinner to celebrate what would have been Freddie 60´s birthday, and the goverment does not allowe them to do it coz Freddie Mercury was Homosexual.Not the government. A fundamentalist religious faction. Fundamentalists are always outrageously inhuman. |
| deleted user 01.09.2006 08:46 |
<font color="#33FFFF">Capt'JessicaSparow wrote: what wankers!? ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH! STOOPID NARROW MINDED PEOPLE! :@:@:@hehe yea its a bit foolish |
| thomasquinn 32989 01.09.2006 11:14 |
<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote:Hmm. Could that be the reason I used the word 'fundamentalist'? You see, the same goes for fundamentalist Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, etc.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:agreed. but not all muslims are like this... probably just the extremists.Marcelo_argentina wrote: Hi everybody,I am posting here coz I just can´t believe what I read in a newspaper (on-line). There is a reataurant in Zanzibar which is organizing a special dinner to celebrate what would have been Freddie 60´s birthday, and the goverment does not allowe them to do it coz Freddie Mercury was Homosexual.Not the government. A fundamentalist religious faction. Fundamentalists are always outrageously inhuman. |
| deleted user 01.09.2006 14:13 |
Anyway what the hell does Freddie have to do with the Muslim community? He wasn't Muslim he was Parsi! Edit: I'm really sorry if I'm just displaying ignorance here but I don't believe that they are the same religion. Correct me if I'm wrong! |
| thomasquinn 32989 01.09.2006 14:20 |
the GIRLZ are back in town wrote: Anyway what the hell does Freddie have to do with the Muslim community? He wasn't Muslim he was Parsi! Edit: I'm really sorry if I'm just displaying ignorance here but I don't believe that they are the same religion. Correct me if I'm wrong!At least your edit was correct. 'Parsi' describes the population of Iran, some people in India and Pakistan and, until the revolution, a large part of the Zanzibari population. It is not a religion. |
| deleted user 01.09.2006 14:48 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:not everyone in iran is parsi. actually, there are probably very few parsis(in the sense that we are using the word) in iran. they share a common religion though, zoroastrianism-so, girlz is right that he wasn't muslim. the reason we're talking about islam is because most of zanzibar IS muslim. the parsis would be a minority wherever they lived.the GIRLZ are back in town wrote: Anyway what the hell does Freddie have to do with the Muslim community? He wasn't Muslim he was Parsi! Edit: I'm really sorry if I'm just displaying ignorance here but I don't believe that they are the same religion. Correct me if I'm wrong!At least your edit was correct. 'Parsi' describes the population of Iran, some people in India and Pakistan and, until the revolution, a large part of the Zanzibari population. It is not a religion. edit: here's something from wikipedia. "The definition of who is (and who is not) a Parsi is a matter of great contention within the Zoroastrian community in India. Generally accepted to be a Parsi is a person who a) is directly descended from the original Persian refugees; and b) has been formally admitted into the Zoroastrian religion. In this sense, Parsi is an ethno-religious designator." |
| The Real Wizard 01.09.2006 15:39 |
Marcelo_argentina wrote: Armando Alejandro Estrada I "Do Not" agree with you at ALL!...with your speech you behave the same way of those who you criticizes.So... he's expressing his opinion, and therefore he's being equally bigoted and primitive? I think not. With your "logic": It's okay for them to be intolerant, but it's not okay for him to be intolerant of their intolerance, so to speak? It's the double standard that people often give to anyone who has any criticism for hardcore religion. Throughout history, lasting social change towards tolerance and acceptance has only happened because there were criticial thinkers who could think outside the box. Going with the flow is what the masses do. The thinkers have created the changes that have removed us from the clutches of religion into a world of free thought. Generally speaking, the Muslim world has a long way to go. I generally agree with his post. The only place where I completely disagree is where he said Christianity used to be like this. In the majority of the bible belt of the USA, it's exactly like it was in Europe until the enlightenment. Come to think of it, if you consider that you have the media today, it perhaps is worse. |
| Forever88 01.09.2006 16:57 |
<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote:it seems the majority are extremists these days though.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:agreed. but not all muslims are like this... probably just the extremists.Marcelo_argentina wrote: Hi everybody,I am posting here coz I just can´t believe what I read in a newspaper (on-line). There is a reataurant in Zanzibar which is organizing a special dinner to celebrate what would have been Freddie 60´s birthday, and the goverment does not allowe them to do it coz Freddie Mercury was Homosexual.Not the government. A fundamentalist religious faction. Fundamentalists are always outrageously inhuman. |
| deleted user 01.09.2006 17:51 |
Forever88<h6>Penis? Most Certainly!</h6> wrote:seems, because the extremists are more visible, and those who would be moderate are afraid to speak out.<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote:it seems the majority are extremists these days though.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:agreed. but not all muslims are like this... probably just the extremists.Marcelo_argentina wrote: Hi everybody,I am posting here coz I just can´t believe what I read in a newspaper (on-line). There is a reataurant in Zanzibar which is organizing a special dinner to celebrate what would have been Freddie 60´s birthday, and the goverment does not allowe them to do it coz Freddie Mercury was Homosexual.Not the government. A fundamentalist religious faction. Fundamentalists are always outrageously inhuman. |
| Marcelo_argentina 01.09.2006 18:19 |
SIR GH....I suggest you to read Michel Foucault, and Pierre Bourdieu. Just to start... Thanks for your comments. |
| The Real Wizard 02.09.2006 12:26 |
Marcelo_argentina wrote: SIR GH....I suggest you to read Michel Foucault, and Pierre Bourdieu. Just to start... Thanks for your comments.Yeah, they were both great thinkers. I don't necessarily agree with all of their viewpoints, but they were both very necessary people in 20th century philosophy. But what do they have to do with this discussion? I don't recall either of them mentioning religion. 20th century philosophy usually has nothing to do with religion, because most philosophers acknowledge that adhering to ancient religion is not a way of moving forward in thought. Philosophy only advances when we look for new ways of seeing the world, not using the old for the sake of antiquity. |
| Ready_Coddie 02.09.2006 14:30 |
link Read what is written there... |
| Marcelo_argentina 02.09.2006 17:21 |
Ok Sir GH, so if you already know about Foucault and Pierre Bourdieu, you could keep reading Cornelius Castoriadis and Gilles Deleuze!...this new guys are both philosophers...Bourdieu is not! By the way, I just meant for you to pay attention to the concept of "Habitus" in Bourdieu, may be that could explain the behavior of those muslim groups, and about Foucault I just thought in "Sexuality Dispositive"...but anyway..I just was tring to make an effort in thinking, I mean... Is the only way to solve problems using violence (speaking-acting)? I think you think the answer is "no". Ok, just take a look at those thinkers! Remember Castoriadis and Deleuze! See you! You can contac me by mail if you are intrested in Philosophy. Bye! |
| sparrow 21754 04.09.2006 15:51 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:TQ i agree. i have islamic friends and the way they use their religion ('use' is taken lightly since i have lack of a better word right now) beautifully and see it as a good thing as for stability, or how people are supposed to use religion and not the insane ways to cause harm or discrimination as fundementalists of ANY kind do. hey, we still have the KKK...nobodys doing anything to stop them, yet we still have these terrorists to use the name of God to cause mayhem. go stupidity!!!!<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote:Hmm. Could that be the reason I used the word 'fundamentalist'? You see, the same goes for fundamentalist Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, etc.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:agreed. but not all muslims are like this... probably just the extremists.Marcelo_argentina wrote: Hi everybody,I am posting here coz I just can´t believe what I read in a newspaper (on-line). There is a reataurant in Zanzibar which is organizing a special dinner to celebrate what would have been Freddie 60´s birthday, and the goverment does not allowe them to do it coz Freddie Mercury was Homosexual.Not the government. A fundamentalist religious faction. Fundamentalists are always outrageously inhuman. but yeah, point being, exteremeists and fundementalists should jsut have unremovable duct tape around their mouths and be tied to a tree. oh wait. that too is being extereme O.O |