QueenZone discussion #869558

jeroen wrote: How many different threats about the exact same topic do we need in here??

jeroen wrote: How many different threats about the exact same topic do we need in here??

kingarthur wrote: thats bullshit

Champipple wrote: Think about it. Paul Stanley on lead vocals Gene Simmons on Bass Brian May on Guitar Roger Taylor on drums Now lets come up with some Kiss makeup designs for Brian and Rogers...

Jamie SureWould wrote:

Champipple wrote: Think about it. Paul Stanley on lead vocals Gene Simmons on Bass Brian May on Guitar Roger Taylor on drums Now lets come up with some Kiss makeup designs for Brian and Rogers...

that would be pretty awesome i must say

jeffuk49 wrote: I remeber Brian saying no tour 2 months before he announced the QPR tour and we then found out they had planned it 3/4 months before

AmeriQueen wrote: THANK FUCKING GOD THE RUMOURS ARE FALSE!!! The last thing on Earth I want to see is some pathetic, shit-ass band who has sadly found a warmer North American reception than Queen, headline a tour that has Queen opening for them, and playing a compromised set. It would be eternally awful on a philosophical note for it to be 'Kiss' of all bands. Why? Kiss is probably the only band of the 70's to top Queen in the theatricality/vamp-up area of live music. Also, for my own opinion and taste, Kiss is the polar opposite of Queen, being that I define Kiss as a band with crappy vocals and non-melodic guitar creation, cashing in on a combination of plain-commercial-generic lyrics and riffs, along with a stage image/presence that has nothing in common with their music. I saw half a Kiss concert back in 1990, within a month of having my first car. My dad picked me up 45 minutes early, offered to wait, and in the end had ZERO resistance from me. I was all too happy to leave such a SHITTY show by such an EXTREMELY overrated band. I was there for their opening band anyways. Kiss can Kiss my ass! P.S. One last note... From what I have heard, while Gene Simmons brags endlessly to the public about his large number of women he has had sex with... From what I gather, Roger's history, though less documented, blows Gene off the map. I hate Kiss so much!

shammy wrote: Freddie losing his range? Have you listened to Show Must Go On? That's one of the most outstanding vocals tracks ever laid down in rock history and look at the era of it. I don't mind Kiss to be honest but I'd love to see some reliable figures based upon their US CDs and ticket sales. Can you provide a link for us please? My gf went to see Kiss on that 96 tour and said they were good. She was a Kiss Army girl at the time. She said QPR (in San Diego and San Jose, Calif) this year blew that tour away musically and the house was deafening at both gigs. She's not even a fervent fan of either Queen or Paul Rodgers.

artemismoon wrote: God I loathe KISS.

artemismoon wrote: I know, Gene asked me to phuck off so I did. Seriously, I don't like their music, but they are great business men. Anyone who can convince the masses to buy that crap has to be a genius. A mentor of mine was told me, "Rubbish Sells". And I have to agree.

jpf wrote:

artemismoon wrote: I know, Gene asked me to phuck off so I did. Seriously, I don't like their music, but they are great business men. Anyone who can convince the masses to buy that crap has to be a genius. A mentor of mine was told me, "Rubbish Sells". And I have to agree.

"Rubbish" doesn't always sell. Look at "Hot Space".

AmeriQueen wrote: Once again, I am so damn glad this rumour is false. I cannot imagine seeing any situation where Queen + PR might actually swap headlining duties night to night with a band like Kiss. I don't even see Kiss as a worthy enough band to open for Queen.

artemismoon wrote: I would like to point out that as of 2006, Queen have sold 32.5 million albums in the US. KISS have 19 million albums in the US as of 2006. In that's just in the US. link As far as concert sales go, the last Q+PR tour was an embarrassment in terms of promotion, Brian even acknowledged this. DJ's in certain markets didn't even know Q+PR was touring.

artemismoon wrote: KISS also went through a slump, like Queen, their "Disco" album almost killed their popularity

and it wasn't until their reunion that they actually started to regain popularity. KISS did tour throughout the 80's and 90's, but they weren't selling out arena's and they played smaller venues in larger markets.

The facts are that KISS did play more shows than Queen. I think KISS played around 1500 shows in the US alone, while Queen only played around 250, pre Q+PR.

As you pointed out, I'm not that knowledgeable about the subject matter, the truth is I'm not a fan so I could care less. But I did research the subject and found some interesting facts that you might find interesting, if don't already know. The estimate is, KISS have sold around 25 million albums (excluding "Beth"). link

I would like to see more information on this matter. Some sites claim KISS have sold over 35 million albums, and others say 25 million, so I really don't know. If they've sold 35 million albums then they should get credit, fan or no fan, there's no denying their popularity in the States.

I would attend a KISS + Queen+PR show, I'll just leave when Queen finishes.

you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: Also Queen have got world wide known songs EVERYONE knows 'We Will Rock You' and 'We Are The Champions.' Whereas Kiss have none.

jpf wrote: KISS' most popular songs: "Rock And Roll All Nite" "Beth" "Shout It Out Loud" "I Was Made For Lovin' You" "Forever" "Crazy Crazy Nights" "Lick It Up" "Heaven's On Fire" "Tears Are Falling" "Hard Luck Woman" "I Love It Loud" "God Gave Rock 'N' Roll To You II" "Calling Dr. Love" You may not know these songs, but people in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Japan, The U.K., Europe, Australia, and New Zealand do.

jpf wrote:

AmeriQueen wrote: THANK FUCKING GOD THE RUMOURS ARE FALSE!!! The last thing on Earth I want to see is some pathetic, shit-ass band who has sadly found a warmer North American reception than Queen, headline a tour that has Queen opening for them, and playing a compromised set. It would be eternally awful on a philosophical note for it to be 'Kiss' of all bands. Why? Kiss is probably the only band of the 70's to top Queen in the theatricality/vamp-up area of live music. Also, for my own opinion and taste, Kiss is the polar opposite of Queen, being that I define Kiss as a band with crappy vocals and non-melodic guitar creation, cashing in on a combination of plain-commercial-generic lyrics and riffs, along with a stage image/presence that has nothing in common with their music. I saw half a Kiss concert back in 1990, within a month of having my first car. My dad picked me up 45 minutes early, offered to wait, and in the end had ZERO resistance from me. I was all too happy to leave such a SHITTY show by such an EXTREMELY overrated band. I was there for their opening band anyways. Kiss can Kiss my ass! P.S. One last note... From what I have heard, while Gene Simmons brags endlessly to the public about his large number of women he has had sex with... From what I gather, Roger's history, though less documented, blows Gene off the map. I hate Kiss so much!

KISS, an overrated band. Yeah, right. They've sold more cds and more concert tickets here in the U.S. than Queen. KISS had the number one selling tour in the U.S. in 1996. Queen never did that. Queen really blew it here with their dance influenced music ("Hot Space") and never fully recovered in the U.S. BTW, I'm a huge Queen fan, so your petty bitching about KISS makes you look ignorant. Guess who went bowling at Gene's birthday party? Yeah, it was Brian May. Guess who drummed on Brian May's tour in support of "Another World"? Eric Singer, KISS' drummer. There's a quote from Brian May in which he stated that he always thought that KISS and Queen were similar bands; KISS was the American version and Queen were the British version. Brian has said good things about KISS and Paul and Gene have good things to say about Queen. Paul Stanley played the Phantom in the Toronto production of "The Phantom Of The Opera". Yeah, it takes a "crappy vocalist" to sing that part. Paul Stanley's voice has actually gotten better throughtout KISS' 32+ year career. I can't say the same for Freddie's voice. He was losing his vocal range and was becoming raspy in the early '80s. And with that, a KISS/Queen + PR tour in the U.S. is not off the table. Since contracts haven't been signed, both bands need to say the opposite of what will probably happen. If this tour happens, you can stay home. We don't need people like you at the show.

artemismoon wrote:

jpf wrote:

artemismoon wrote: I know, Gene asked me to phuck off so I did. Seriously, I don't like their music, but they are great business men. Anyone who can convince the masses to buy that crap has to be a genius. A mentor of mine was told me, "Rubbish Sells". And I have to agree.

"Rubbish" doesn't always sell. Look at "Hot Space".

HA! Funny. But you see, not all of "Hot Space" is rubbish. But, The Spice Girls N-Sync Backstreet Boys Britney Spears have sold millions of albums and non have musical merit. All Rubbish, sold millions.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote:

KISS lied about sales. Queen have outsold KISS according to the RIAA. Also, Alive is only at Gold and not Quadruple Platinum. In other words KISS lied about their sales.

Get a clue. One of, if not, the greatest live lps ever has sold 4 million copies in the U.S. with an additional 3 million copies sold outside of the U.S. "Alive" went gold, platinum, and double platinum in 1975 and 1976. It's one of KISS's constantly selling cds.
I explained this a few posts back. Many artists' catalogs have not been re-audited, therefore the numbers on the RIAA site are grossly outdated.
Queen lost their popularity here in the U.S. with the "Hot Space" lp and never returned to the level of success they had achieved in the '70s.

jpf wrote:

NOTWMEDDLE wrote:

KISS lied about sales. Queen have outsold KISS according to the RIAA. Also, Alive is only at Gold and not Quadruple Platinum. In other words KISS lied about their sales.

Get a clue. One of, if not, the greatest live lps ever has sold 4 million copies in the U.S. with an additional 3 million copies sold outside of the U.S. "Alive" went gold, platinum, and double platinum in 1975 and 1976. It's one of KISS's constantly selling cds. I explained this a few posts back. Many artists' catalogs have not been re-audited, therefore the numbers on the RIAA site are grossly outdated. Queen lost their popularity here in the U.S. with the "Hot Space" lp and never returned to the level of success they had achieved in the '70s.

As much as I like KISS, I don't like the fact that they have to lie about everything (I was taught not to lie and to look in the eye and tell it like it is). It matters that KISS don't update their sales showing that they are either too cheap to update or lazy or whatever the reason is. To correct you, KISS lost their popularity in the States from 1980 to 1983 with three flops in a row with Unmasked, The Elder and Creatures (Creatures would not go Gold until 1994). KISS' appeal was so bad that KISS Killers didn't get released in their homeland. Then KISS flopped harder with Carnival of Souls which exited the charts as quickly as it hit it (even Pink Floyd's live version of The Wall outsold it by a longshot). The reunion tour of KISS' was a fluke which shouldn't have happened as they BROKE UP AGAIN (I had a terrible time at that gig as I dealt with drunk siblings holding them up like statues)! The Psycho Circus tour played from 60% to 80% capacity no sell outs this go around (although they played better then as I saw the proper tour opener in Boston (the last ever drum solo in God of Thunder). Now they are sadly a nostalgia act playing the hits of yesteryear to remind people of their youth. Something that Rush or Pink Floyd would not stoop to (Rush did put out a covers album to have some new stuff to play in 2004).
KISS' Alive IV was supposed to be released on Mercury but KISS got angry that the label delayed the release cos of PolyGram turning into Universal/Vivendi. KISS by default went from Mercury to Island/Def Jam and they on national radio took a shot at Island/Def Jam and mocked the mainly R&B/rap roster which I think didn't sit well with some fans which caused sales to decline further. Even Aerosmith are a joke now after the 2001 Britney/N'Sync debacle!
Queen eventually regained America with Innuendo which was their first Gold album since The Works. Hollywood Records put out Headlong and it did well on US Rock Radio. Innuendo followed and did reasonable on rock radio pushing Innuendo to Gold in TWO MONTHS. Then subsequent Queen releases have sold either Gold or Platinum in the US save Queen Rocks, GH III and Queen On Fire which were not certified.

To correct you on what KISS said about live albums as death, I guess he didn't hear The Who Live at Leeds, Humble Pie's Perfomance, The Allman Bros at Fillmore East and Deep Purple who had their biggest seller with the double live Made in Japan which, unlike Alive!, was ALL live with ZERO OVERDUBS. There were some multi-disc live albums pre-Alive that were huge sellers (Fillmore East, Performance by Humble Pie, Made in Japan by Purple and Welcome Back My Friends by ELP).

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: As much as I like KISS, I don't like the fact that they have to lie about everything. It matters that KISS don't update their sales showing that they are either too cheap to update or lazy or whatever the reason is.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: To correct you, KISS lost their popularity in the States from 1980 to 1983 with three flops in a row with Unmasked, The Elder and Creatures (Creatures would not go Gold until 1994).

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS' appeal was so bad that KISS Killers didn't get released in their homeland.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Then KISS flopped harder with Carnival of Souls which exited the charts as quickly as it hit it.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: (even Pink Floyd's live version of The Wall outsold it by a longshot).

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: The reunion tour of KISS' was a fluke

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: which shouldn't have happened as they

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Queen eventually regained America with Innuendo which was their first Gold album since The Works. Hollywood Records put out Headlong and it did well on US Rock Radio. Innuendo followed and did reasonable on rock radio pushing Innuendo to Gold in TWO MONTHS. Then subsequent Queen releases have sold either Gold or Platinum in the US save Queen Rocks, GH III and Queen On Fire which were not certified.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: To correct you on what KISS said about live albums as death

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: , I guess he didn't hear The Who Live at Leeds, Humble Pie's Perfomance, The Allman Bros at Fillmore East and Deep Purple who had their biggest seller with the double live Made in Japan which, unlike Alive!, was ALL live with ZERO OVERDUBS.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: There were some multi-disc live albums pre-Alive that were huge sellers (Fillmore East, Performance by Humble Pie, Made in Japan by Purple and Welcome Back My Friends by ELP).

jpf wrote:

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: As much as I like KISS, I don't like the fact that they have to lie about everything. It matters that KISS don't update their sales showing that they are either too cheap to update or lazy or whatever the reason is.

And how exactly has KISS lied? The RIAA has declared KISS as the American group with the highest number of Gold album awards. KISS' former record companies (Casablanca, Mercury, Universal, Sanctuary) all had accountants to verify how many units of each product was produced and shipped. The KISS Company (Paul and Gene's company) has its own set of auditors and accountants. They know how much each lp has sold. The RIAA does not have updated records of how many units KISS has sold (along with any other band in existence). KISS does not ask the RIAA to re-audit their catalog, it's the responsibility of a record company. The record company is the one who pays a large fee to have the RIAA conduct an audit of a group's catalog. KISS is currently not signed to any record label. Since Casablanca was bought out by Mercury, which was bought out buy Universal, and the fact that KISS is no longer with Sanctuary, means that there is no company who's is going to pony up big bucks to have KISS' catalog audited.

jpf wrote:

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Queen eventually regained America with Innuendo which was their first Gold album since The Works. Hollywood Records put out Headlong and it did well on US Rock Radio. Innuendo followed and did reasonable on rock radio pushing Innuendo to Gold in TWO MONTHS. Then subsequent Queen releases have sold either Gold or Platinum in the US save Queen Rocks, GH III and Queen On Fire which were not certified.

And why were "Queen Rocks", "GH III", and "Queen On Fire" not certified? Because Queen are lazy? See it works both ways.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS exaggerate everything and were more about being McDonald's and Burger King instead of being the next Beatles. They made great records but they were not the be all and end all to music.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Queen Rocks, GH III and Queen On Fire didn't sell at all and neither one charted despite Queen On Fire was a live album.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: JPF, take your so called KISS knowledge and shove it up yor ass and see where it fits

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Many rock fans don't agree with KISS Alive as rock's greatest live album assessment. Many people pick Allman Brothers at Fillmore East or Humble Pie's Rockin the Fillmore or Deep Purple's Made in Japan or even The Who's Live at Leeds as greatest live album ever.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: To be factually correct, Alive was a FAKE live album with only live drums as the vocals and guitar notes were so bad that overdubbing was the only route to save the album. Lying and saying it's live is a crock of shit! KISS lied about Alive being a full on live record for years.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS are now reduced to opening for Aerosmith, what a fall from grace.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Personally I had bad experiences at KISS concerts (mainly those I went with and took the starch out for me).

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Seeing their concerts in person was more bland than what appeared on TV. Roger Waters, Rush and Pink Floyd's shows were superb. Floyd were the masters of rock theater (how many bands used flying pigs, brick walls, green and gold lazers, inflatable families, fool the audience with a doppleganger band, not KISS).

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS' concerts have been the same year after year in the last ten years. KISS got worse and worse each year live in recent years. Rush got better. Rush changed their setlists each tour. They dropped certain songs and resurrected more than KISS did and played four songs from Feedback on 2004 tour plus did a medley of songs from their first six albums, played almost all of Xanadu, Between the Wheels, a new ending to Working Man, added a Beatles medley to the end of The Trees and Alex Lifeson's rants on La Villa was more entertaining than hearing Paul Stanley's same rants night in night out. Pink Floyd with every show on their 1994 tour changed songlists nightly. Also David Gilmour and Rick Wright did not play the solos note for note as on the records as they played their guitar and keyboard solos as their hearts felt.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Hey dickhead, KISS played the same old same old setlist. I saw them four times, mainly went cos my best friend is a KISS fan and I am a old KISS fan not a hardcore fan like you. I saw them at The Fleet Center in 1996 to almost sell out

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: and 1998, to a half filled audience.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Then at the Tweeter Center in 2000 and their farewell tour was a joke, shouldn't have happened IMHO as they were fighting again

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Then again in 2004, I went for my buddy and I made him go to Rush in return. FYI, many people left by the time KISS took the stage. Mostly people were there for Poison.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Pink Floyd and Queen on the other hand didn't need personalities or an image to sell records just MUSIC.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I take it you and Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons are in co-hoots. KISS fans tend to be blind sheep. You know you will lose the fight with me you KISS troll.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Rush on the other hand sold out every Boston area appearance since 1980/81.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I have seen every tour since 1994

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: and they drop songs and add new material and lost chestnuts. In 1997 they played all of 2112. I saw the R30 tour and they kicked ass and every Rush show I went to was SOLD OUT!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Even Rush releasing a covers album beats releasing thirty greatest hits albums like KISS has.

artemismoon wrote: I would like to point out that as of 2006, Queen have sold 32.5 million albums in the US. KISS have 19 million albums in the US as of 2006. In that's just in the US. link As far as concert sales go, the last Q+PR tour was an embarrassment in terms of promotion, Brian even acknowledged this. DJ's in certain markets didn't even know Q+PR was touring.

artemismoon wrote: I see what you're saying, and I do believe you. It's the same thing with Arbitron and radio ratings. KISS also went through a slump, like Queen, their "Disco" album almost killed their popularity and it wasn't until their reunion that they actually started to regain popularity. KISS did tour throughout the 80's and 90's, but they weren't selling out arena's and they played smaller venues in larger markets. The facts are that KISS did play more shows than Queen. I think KISS played around 1500 shows in the US alone, while Queen only played around 250, pre Q+PR. As you pointed out, I'm not that knowledgeable about the subject matter, the truth is I'm not a fan so I could care less. But I did research the subject and found some interesting facts that you might find interesting, if don't already know. The estimate is, KISS have sold around 25 million albums (excluding "Beth"). link I would like to see more information on this matter. Some sites claim KISS have sold over 35 million albums, and others say 25 million, so I really don't know. If they've sold 35 million albums then they should get credit. Fan or no fan, there's no denying their popularity in the States. I would attend a KISS + Queen+PR show, I'll just leave when Queen finishes, or arrive before Q+PR take the stage.

If Pink Floyd, Queen and AC/DC can do it why can't KISS.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Fuck you asshole. I hope someone knocks you out or better yet I find you and put you in the hospital.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: FYI, Pink Floyd are not drug music. They are a thinking man's band for people who love to think and expand their minds musically.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Phil Collins would slaughter Peter Criss, Eric Carr (who was technically a superior drummer to Peter cos drugs ruined Criss) and the fake Peter Eric Singer who is a FRAUD in a drum contest! Phil is a superior drummer to those dudes.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Steve Harris would slaughter Gene Simmons in a bass playing contest. Also, Steve is not no penny pinching Kike like Gene!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Also Roger Hodgson is a much better singer than Paul Stanley. Hell Ian Anderson is a better showman than the faggot Star Child.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Rush are more intellectual FYI dickhead!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I hope you die asshole!

CharlieG wrote: Maybe, because KISS suck. Kind of a waste of time going back and forth with a rabid moron who's convinced of KISS' "superiority." KISS were, are, and always will be a bunch of douchebags in clown suits. While their earlier music was raw and entertaining, beginning with 'Destroyer,' it became a major SuckFest. They have just about zero musical talent. Their live shows play toward theatrics not for effect but because they need to draw attention away from the fact that they suck as musicians. Can't argue with the fact that they're shrewd businessmen, but then so's Bill Gates. . . As long as people keep in mind that "fan" is just a shortened form of "fanatic," it's a lot easier to keep things in perspective.

jpf wrote:

CharlieG wrote: Maybe, because KISS suck. Kind of a waste of time going back and forth with a rabid moron who's convinced of KISS' "superiority." KISS were, are, and always will be a bunch of douchebags in clown suits. While their earlier music was raw and entertaining, beginning with 'Destroyer,' it became a major SuckFest. They have just about zero musical talent. Their live shows play toward theatrics not for effect but because they need to draw attention away from the fact that they suck as musicians. Can't argue with the fact that they're shrewd businessmen, but then so's Bill Gates. . . As long as people keep in mind that "fan" is just a shortened form of "fanatic," it's a lot easier to keep things in perspective.

You're a nobody just like needledick above.

jpf wrote:

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Fuck you asshole. I hope someone knocks you out or better yet I find you and put you in the hospital.

You can go fuck yourself. You're a nobody. Another cyberthreat. You're a pussy behind a computer. You're nothing but a pathetic loser.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: FYI, Pink Floyd are not drug music. They are a thinking man's band for people who love to think and expand their minds musically.

More like expand their minds through drug use.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Phil Collins would slaughter Peter Criss, Eric Carr (who was technically a superior drummer to Peter cos drugs ruined Criss) and the fake Peter Eric Singer who is a FRAUD in a drum contest! Phil is a superior drummer to those dudes.

What? I can't hear you. Neither can Phil "Overkill" Collins. Peter in his prime, Eric Carr, and Eric Singer could all teach Phil Collins a thing or two about drumming.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Steve Harris would slaughter Gene Simmons in a bass playing contest. Also, Steve is not no penny pinching Kike like Gene!

Who's music has sold more copies? That would be KISS. Steve has made plenty of money with the Eddie merchandise to last him the rest of his life. You lose again, loser.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Also Roger Hodgson is a much better singer than Paul Stanley. Hell Ian Anderson is a better showman than the faggot Star Child.

The only faggot around here is you.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Rush are more intellectual FYI dickhead!

Neil Peart is a high school drop out (just like you).

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I hope you die asshole!

Do you French kiss your mother with that mouth? A painful cancer will put an end to you one day.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I'd like to interrupt your monotonous rants and let you know although I cannot deny KISS' place in rock history and their classic material rocking, they are now nothing but a bunch of lying, greedy, egomaniacal, tyrannical mother fuckers. If AC/DC can get their catalog re-certified with NO PROBLEM, so can't KISS. Thing is Paul and Gene want more money to buy them mansions in Los Angeles instead of paying to accurately tally their sales.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS claimed to be first to use pyro as part of act.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Well, Pink Floyd beat them to it with exploding planes, exploding gongs, fireworks and flashpots between 1971 and 1973.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: JPF FYI, I have not ever smoked a day in my life (I am allergic to it). I have not drank or done drugs as well. Also, I graduated High School in June, 1994 and have an associates degree. What did you do, fuck Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons FAGGOT?

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Ace Frehley and Peter Criss were high school dropouts too yet you defend them pussy and you call me hypocrite!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I would kick your ass in person. I was raised by a retired US Army sergeant.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: You are like the Michael Douglas character in Falling Down D-FENS. A delusional dude with no life who then snaps and gets killed by the cop. I am Robert Duvall's character, the cop who hunts down D-FENS!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: To steal a quote from Eric Cartman Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons are, like Barbra Streisand and Kyle, dumb fucking Jews.

jpf wrote:

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: JPF FYI, I have not ever smoked a day in my life (I am allergic to it). I have not drank or done drugs as well. Also, I graduated High School in June, 1994 and have an associates degree. What did you do, fuck Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons FAGGOT?

I have a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics and I'm a senior software engineer.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Ace Frehley and Peter Criss were high school dropouts too yet you defend them pussy and you call me hypocrite!

Gene earned a Bachelor of Arts in Education and went on to become a 6th grade English teacher. This coming from a person who didn't even speak English 12 years before earning his degree.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I would kick your ass in person. I was raised by a retired US Army sergeant.

Big fucking deal. You're a pussy. Deal with it. You have a lot of anger in you. It's time to go see a shrink. Maybe it's due to your US Army sergeant father beating the shit out of you all of the time when you were growing up. Seriously, get some help. You need it. Again, with the PF shit. You don't need to waste your time typing all of that shit up, because I couldn't care less about PF.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: You are like the Michael Douglas character in Falling Down D-FENS. A delusional dude with no life who then snaps and gets killed by the cop. I am Robert Duvall's character, the cop who hunts down D-FENS!

Wow, comparing yourself to fictional characters in movies. Seriously, you're fucked up in the head. Seek some treatment now.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: To steal a quote from Eric Cartman Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons are, like Barbra Streisand and Kyle, dumb fucking Jews.

So, you're a racist, too. No surprise there. You're a loser. You waste the air smart people breath.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Also, I am not a racist by any means (there are good people of every race, color, creed, etc).

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I am autistic with a form of autism called Aspergers Syndrome. Sometimes I spew things with no thought which is something I cannot help.

jpf wrote:

you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: Also Queen have got world wide known songs EVERYONE knows 'We Will Rock You' and 'We Are The Champions.' Whereas Kiss have none.

KISS' most popular songs: "Rock And Roll All Nite" "Beth" "Shout It Out Loud" "I Was Made For Lovin' You" "Forever" "Crazy Crazy Nights" "Lick It Up" "Heaven's On Fire" "Tears Are Falling" "Hard Luck Woman" "I Love It Loud" "God Gave Rock 'N' Roll To You II" "Calling Dr. Love" You may not know these songs, but people in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Japan, The U.K., Europe, Australia, and New Zealand do.

you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: Well I am from the UK. 'God Gave Rock and Roll To You' yeah thats the one I know :) Don't know the rest :S

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: JPF, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. You saying I am like Michael Richards is like saying you are Britney Spears or whomever, in other words, it's a lie! I have friends that are Hispanic, African American, Jewish, Catholic, Hindu and on down the line. You always see fellow people degrade their own race.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Just because KISS doesn't have a label at the moment doesn't mean they cannot pay the RIAA to re-certify their back catalog.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: The Rush Forum Queen Zone Blabbermouth.net

jpf wrote:

you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: Well I am from the UK. 'God Gave Rock and Roll To You' yeah thats the one I know :) Don't know the rest :S

May I ask how old you are?

you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: er ... 16 But just cos I'm 16 doesn't mean I don't know anything about music! Please be nice ... lol

you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: Yeah well I think he is good in that Rock School programme! Anyone know if there is going to be another series?

<font color=black>*Space Ace* wrote: It would just be too wierd. You know? I mean, I love them BOTH to death, but really - Going insane over Queen, only to have my face painted with KISS makeup? How awkward would that be?

you_rock_my_socks06 wrote:

jpf wrote:

you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: Also Queen have got world wide known songs EVERYONE knows 'We Will Rock You' and 'We Are The Champions.' Whereas Kiss have none.

KISS' most popular songs: "Rock And Roll All Nite" "Beth" "Shout It Out Loud" "I Was Made For Lovin' You" "Forever" "Crazy Crazy Nights" "Lick It Up" "Heaven's On Fire" "Tears Are Falling" "Hard Luck Woman" "I Love It Loud" "God Gave Rock 'N' Roll To You II" "Calling Dr. Love" You may not know these songs, but people in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Japan, The U.K., Europe, Australia, and New Zealand do.

Well I am from the UK. 'God Gave Rock and Roll To You' yeah thats the one I know :) Don't know the rest :S

jpf wrote:

<font color=black>*Space Ace* wrote: It would just be too wierd. You know? I mean, I love them BOTH to death, but really - Going insane over Queen, only to have my face painted with KISS makeup? How awkward would that be?

That happened to Aerosmith on the KISS/Aerosmith tour. I read that Steven Tyler was rather pissy on some nights when there were a lot of made up faces in the crowd.

Jeff Silveira wrote: JPF..... I didnt see this topic untill tonight. I just read every post. Are you for real man? You sound like a weirdo obsessed with Kiss? You sound like a scary nerd. You made me laugh about your Beverly Hills mansion comment...you seem a little on psycho side, like you need some real professional help. First, I know you are a moron because you refer to Pink floyd as Drug music. Only an idiot would say that. When people make comments about Pink Floyd, you say you dont care. Funny thing is most people feel the same about Kiss. You ask any musican who they prefer, its not even close. I mean you honestly think Kiss is better then Floyd. I mean, Dark Side of the Moon has sold as many or more albums then Kiss has sold total. Better musicans in Floyd also. I just think you are a little to fanitical, and it messes up your lunatic way of thinking. You have some real issues. Get some meds, and take care of your problems. Go see Kiss all u want, I dont care, but dont be under any grand illusion that Kiss is better, or better musicans then Floyd, Queen, Rush, Zep.... I can name 10 bands from the 60's or 70s that are better then Kiss....I know you love Kiss and would do Freddie Mercury type things to their genitals but try to have a clear mind, and think rationale. I dont think you can but try it. Kiss is a band where you only need their "best of" and that might be to much. You might not like Floyd, but they have done much more then Kiss will ever do.

Jeff Silveira wrote: good comeback...proves to me you are a moron, and u cant have an intelligent comeback... Pink Floyd is alot better then Kiss...you know this and I know this...how old are u 12? anyways, i hope u get aids...

Jeff Silveira wrote: yawn...you bore me.... I wish your mom would have aborted you. You like men who dress up in makeup....way to go queer...

you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: No one should get AIDs.

Jeff Silveira wrote: loser...cant have a good comeback...all u can do is insult....no more lame facts from you....loserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

CharlieG wrote:

If Pink Floyd, Queen and AC/DC can do it why can't KISS.

Maybe, because KISS suck. Kind of a waste of time going back and forth with a rabid moron who's convinced of KISS' "superiority." KISS were, are, and always will be a bunch of douchebags in clown suits. While their earlier music was raw and entertaining, beginning with 'Destroyer,' it became a major SuckFest. They have just about zero musical talent. Their live shows play toward theatrics not for effect but because they need to draw attention away from the fact that they suck as musicians. Can't argue with the fact that they're shrewd businessmen, but then so's Bill Gates. . . As long as people keep in mind that "fan" is just a shortened form of "fanatic," it's a lot easier to keep things in perspective.

Jeff Silveira wrote: nice one...such a moron...slayer is more talented then Kiss...

<font color=black>[~Space Ace~] wrote:

CharlieG wrote:

If Pink Floyd, Queen and AC/DC can do it why can't KISS.

Maybe, because KISS suck. Kind of a waste of time going back and forth with a rabid moron who's convinced of KISS' "superiority." KISS were, are, and always will be a bunch of douchebags in clown suits. While their earlier music was raw and entertaining, beginning with 'Destroyer,' it became a major SuckFest. They have just about zero musical talent. Their live shows play toward theatrics not for effect but because they need to draw attention away from the fact that they suck as musicians. Can't argue with the fact that they're shrewd businessmen, but then so's Bill Gates. . . As long as people keep in mind that "fan" is just a shortened form of "fanatic," it's a lot easier to keep things in perspective.

Hello?! *waves arms around* Love Gun?! Remember that one?! Suck Fest? - I think NOT!!

jpf wrote:

<font color=black>[~Space Ace~] wrote:

CharlieG wrote:

If Pink Floyd, Queen and AC/DC can do it why can't KISS.

Maybe, because KISS suck. Kind of a waste of time going back and forth with a rabid moron who's convinced of KISS' "superiority." KISS were, are, and always will be a bunch of douchebags in clown suits. While their earlier music was raw and entertaining, beginning with 'Destroyer,' it became a major SuckFest. They have just about zero musical talent. Their live shows play toward theatrics not for effect but because they need to draw attention away from the fact that they suck as musicians. Can't argue with the fact that they're shrewd businessmen, but then so's Bill Gates. . . As long as people keep in mind that "fan" is just a shortened form of "fanatic," it's a lot easier to keep things in perspective.

Hello?! *waves arms around* Love Gun?! Remember that one?! Suck Fest? - I think NOT!!

Jeff Silveira and CharlieG would make a great couple.

Jeff Silveira wrote: jpf.... where are all your cool facts about how many albums they have sold? they dont compare with other bands, and th emusic dosent compare with other bands. Music from the elder?...lol...I have never seen a band fall so fast from popularity. lol

Drummer imense! wrote: Hmmm strange arguments going on here! Personally i love KISS, not as much as other bands i could mention, but musically they are great to listen to live epecially with Eric Carr as the drummer. I have never liked their studio stuff as much due to the poor sound quality of the recordings, untill the psyco circus album that is. I don't think there is anyway that it can be disputed that KISS are a good band, ok they like to make money, but who doesn't. Hopefully space Ace can back me up on this one!

Jeff Silveira wrote: jpf.... where are all your cool facts about how many albums they have sold? they dont compare with other bands, and th emusic dosent compare with other bands. Music from the elder?...lol...I have never seen a band fall so fast from popularity. lol

<font color=black>[~Space Ace~] wrote:

Jeff Silveira wrote: jpf.... where are all your cool facts about how many albums they have sold? they dont compare with other bands, and th emusic dosent compare with other bands. Music from the elder?...lol...I have never seen a band fall so fast from popularity. lol

Urgh. Not EVERY album has to be popular! Jesus! I mean, even ACE hated "Music From The Elder"! Give KISS a freakin' break, would ya?

jpf wrote:

<font color=black>[~Space Ace~] wrote:

Jeff Silveira wrote: jpf.... where are all your cool facts about how many albums they have sold? they dont compare with other bands, and th emusic dosent compare with other bands. Music from the elder?...lol...I have never seen a band fall so fast from popularity. lol

Urgh. Not EVERY album has to be popular! Jesus! I mean, even ACE hated "Music From The Elder"! Give KISS a freakin' break, would ya?

RE: ...I have never seen a band fall so fast from popularity The same can be said about Queen and "Hot Space", particularly in the U.S.

artemismoon wrote: I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I loathe KISS.