Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 29.08.2006 23:42 |
Do you consider Freddie to have been white or Asian? I think that Freddie thought of himself as "white." Am I right in saying that? |
rocks. 30.08.2006 00:45 |
Who cares... but for the official record he was parsee, no clue what he considered himself. I dont consider him anything, I cosider him a human being. |
RETROLOVE 30.08.2006 00:51 |
He was Persian-Indian, which is a type of asian, right? |
Ready_Coddie 30.08.2006 01:30 |
Its Parsi in more detail: over a millenium back. Iran was Persia and it was invaded by Moghuls/Mongols and was succesfully conquered. The Persians were slaughtering and commited atrocities against. They fled for Gujarat, India. They immigrated there well and the persains were called 'Parsis' (Lingo maybe) Freddie's family originated in the town of Bulsara in Gujarat (hence his last name) Parsis in General can be stated as Indians (because of their settlement of over a millenium) Also it can be noted Freddie lived wealthily in India/Zanzibar because Parsis were in good terms with the British during their reign in India. |
FriedChicken 30.08.2006 01:56 |
The time that there were races amoung humans is 10.000 years ago. We are all one and the same race called Homo Sapiens |
Smitty 30.08.2006 02:00 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: We are all one and the same race called Homo SapiensExcept for probably aufdeutsch... He's defnintely not human... |
Burning Horizon 30.08.2006 02:40 |
friggin nazi! lol |
zaiga 30.08.2006 03:49 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: The time that there were races amoung humans is 10.000 years ago. We are all one and the same race called Homo SapiensYou, maybe, but don't friggin' call *me* a HOMO, OK?!? |
The prophet's song 30.08.2006 04:15 |
I read somewhere Freddie is considered the first Indian rock ledgend, but thats someone elses opionion, not Freddies. |
deleted user 30.08.2006 04:26 |
being half asian meself, with a diverse asortment of asian-type friends, i have had quite a few discussions like these. it always basically boils down to it doesn't matter. freddie was ethnically persian, which technically makes him caucasian(not european, though), i suppose, although that kind of terminology is based on a somewhat outdated concept anyway. so...white or asian? neither really describes him accurately, so who cares. just call him a persian popinjay:) |
Nummer2 30.08.2006 07:21 |
There's the term "Indo-European", which implicates that Indian and European people are of a similar geneologic "race". Indian and also Persian people – to say it in a simplified form – belong to the European scheme more than to the East Asian. But as somebody has said before, since a few thousand years (at least a few hundred, since travelling got global) there are no real differences anymore. Everything was mixed, fortunately. And after all, who cares? |
Poo, again 30.08.2006 08:18 |
Parsee is what the birth certificate says, but I've read somewhere that Freddie has claimed to be Persian. Probably because it sounded more glamourous than Parsee or Indian. |
deleted user 30.08.2006 10:37 |
i don't care, but there was a lot of racism back then. He could've easily passed. |
deleted user 30.08.2006 15:18 |
<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: Parsee is what the birth certificate says, but I've read somewhere that Freddie has claimed to be Persian. Probably because it sounded more glamourous than Parsee or Indian.parsee <i>is</i> a type of persian. he wasn't ethnically indian at all. |
Poo, again 30.08.2006 15:33 |
<font color="33CC00">macbethscrazywife wrote:Whatever you say.<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: Parsee is what the birth certificate says, but I've read somewhere that Freddie has claimed to be Persian. Probably because it sounded more glamourous than Parsee or Indian.parsee <i>is</i> a type of persian. he wasn't ethnically indian at all. |
Megamike The GREAT 30.08.2006 15:35 |
zaiga wrote:Dude, you need to actually LEARN some shit here.. ok.. you ARE a HOMO.. as in HOMO SAPIEN..(of course I would make an exception to you because you are a FUC*Ing retard) which is MUCH different than HOMO SEXUAL.. which is what you THINK HOMO refers to.. because people are too freakin lazy to actually say it in its ENTIRE context.. so... There..FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: The time that there were races amoung humans is 10.000 years ago. We are all one and the same race called Homo SapiensYou, maybe, but don't friggin' call *me* a HOMO, OK?!? and for the record, I AM being serious here because I am SICK TO FREAKIN DEATH of people relating HOMO to just meaning gay.. I hear it ALL The time |
deleted user 30.08.2006 16:20 |
Mike Preston wrote:dude...i think that was a joke...zaiga wrote:Dude, you need to actually LEARN some shit here.. ok.. you ARE a HOMO.. as in HOMO SAPIEN..(of course I would make an exception to you because you are a FUC*Ing retard) which is MUCH different than HOMO SEXUAL.. which is what you THINK HOMO refers to.. because people are too freakin lazy to actually say it in its ENTIRE context.. so... There.. and for the record, I AM being serious here because I am SICK TO FREAKIN DEATH of people relating HOMO to just meaning gay.. I hear it ALL The timeFriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: The time that there were races amoung humans is 10.000 years ago. We are all one and the same race called Homo SapiensYou, maybe, but don't friggin' call *me* a HOMO, OK?!? |
deleted user 30.08.2006 16:20 |
<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote:damn straight:)<font color="33CC00">macbethscrazywife wrote:Whatever you say.<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: Parsee is what the birth certificate says, but I've read somewhere that Freddie has claimed to be Persian. Probably because it sounded more glamourous than Parsee or Indian.parsee <i>is</i> a type of persian. he wasn't ethnically indian at all. |
deleted user 30.08.2006 17:18 |
<font color="33CC00">macbethscrazywife wrote:lol<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote:damn straight:)<font color="33CC00">macbethscrazywife wrote:Whatever you say.<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: Parsee is what the birth certificate says, but I've read somewhere that Freddie has claimed to be Persian. Probably because it sounded more glamourous than Parsee or Indian.parsee <i>is</i> a type of persian. he wasn't ethnically indian at all. |
bas asselbergs 30.08.2006 18:25 |
i thought he was "genious" "generous" "creative" but that's not a race huh? I think of these qualities higher than just racist-kind definitions as to what some person is made off....i think that history has proven that we are all the same...bottomline. We all need to breathe, drink and eat(and as a result of that need to piss and shit too haha)we all want love, raise, protect and educate our children, and have a "nice" life. We all want to be happy, healthy and have some cash. If you stick a knife into any kind of operson, we all hurt and bleed. So there is absolutely no use in asking or knowing what Freddie WAS...i know he IS sadly missed....still..... |
its_a_hard_life 26994 30.08.2006 19:03 |
Freddie's race is: GENIUS! We have a few of those people who fit that race. Freddie is definately one of them. |
Armando Alejandro Estrada 30.08.2006 20:19 |
Nummer2 wrote: There's the term Indo-European", which implicates that Indian and European people are of a similar geneologic "race". Indian and also Persian people – to say it in a simplified form – belong to the European scheme more than to the East Asian. But as somebody has said before, since a few thousand years (at least a few hundred, since travelling got global) there are no real differences anymore. Everything was mixed, fortunately. And after all, who cares?In fact, in a way Parsis can be can be considered to be more of the real Iranian because they have kept the religion (they left mainly because of the persecutions from the Muslims a fact that should be highlighted like the Cruisades), the ways of living and have not mixed with Indians. But while they descend from the Persians and are proud of their Persian heritage, they lost the language and they in no way feel Iranian. They are Indians. This kind of thread can be very slippy nowadays, but yes some Indians (mostly in the north) and some Iranians are as Indo-Europeans as the Germans or the Italians let's say. That's why we can't say the Iranians are Arabs (some of them are cos' of mixing) because arabs are Semitic and Iranians are Indo-Europeans. But it's a very interesting subject and I'm sure Freddie was a proud Indian Parsi and British man. I think that the Freddie of the 70s by his lyrics and his looks reflects more the Parsi part than the British macho from the 80s. I'm glad someone brought this up, because I was thinking about starting a similar thread. The Indo-European thing intrigues me without the racist connotation. It's wonderful to know the origins and the mixing of the human being... Here are some valuable links: Parsis: link (They talk of Freddie and look the similarities between Freddie and the people on the potographs) Indo-Europeans: link link If you have a lot of interest: Proto-Indo-Europeans link link It's because of the Persian heritage that Freddie looked European even though he was from India. He shared the same genes as a British, an Italian, a Spanish, etc. Awckward also that Freddie sang a song on Jesus while he was a follower of Zoroastrianism... Somebody knows if Freddie spoke the Gujarati language? |
sara310 30.08.2006 20:49 |
Iranian/Persian people have watering cans near their toilet and they call it an 'aftabeh" |
Ready_Coddie 31.08.2006 03:16 |
<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: Parsee is what the birth certificate says, but I've read somewhere that Freddie has claimed to be Persian. Probably because it sounded more glamourous than Parsee or Indian.SAY WHAT? I am an Indian and its really glam! |
Ready_Coddie 31.08.2006 03:25 |
Freddie I believe could speak some rough Gujarati... Here in Bombay parsis dont speak in any Iranian language but a very funny accented Gujarati or Hindi. With their common 'dikra' - child. Freddie originated from the hometown of Bulsara from Gujarat so his family probably spoke a decent amount of Gujarati. Parsis are Indians in general and I have to disagree with what someone said that the culture isn't mixed... Other than the Irani restaurants its hard to note if a person is Parsi or not (unless the wear the cap). the common last names are like Battliwaala (Seller of bottles) Daruwalla (Seller of alcohol). Least in Bombay the culture has mixed considerably. |
Rogers Eye Bags 31.08.2006 10:18 |
zaiga wrote:You ARE joking right? God, I hope so.FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: The time that there were races amoung humans is 10.000 years ago. We are all one and the same race called Homo SapiensYou, maybe, but don't friggin' call *me* a HOMO, OK?!? |
zaiga 31.08.2006 10:47 |
Rogers Eye Bags wrote:I was joking. You can all go back to sleep again kids.zaiga wrote:You ARE joking right? God, I hope so.FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: The time that there were races amoung humans is 10.000 years ago. We are all one and the same race called Homo SapiensYou, maybe, but don't friggin' call *me* a HOMO, OK?!? |
deleted user 31.08.2006 13:15 |
I don't have any negative prejudices against Freddie or Parsis. I don't know much about the religion at all. All I know is I love the idea of Freddie being different or 'unique' to his peers. His exotic background (born in Zanzibar, grew up in an English boarding school near Bombay and had a family who were strict observers of the Parsee/Zorastian(sp?) religion)was something that was as much part of him as the other aspects that turned him into that formidable showman with the voice of an angel. Some describe Freddie as Persian others as Indian. I think he was an Indian Parsi. Parsis can be traced back to Persia but as has already been said, you have to trace over a millenium back. His family were from Gujarat in India. His father was a civil servant in Bombay. As for how he saw himself I'm not too sure. All I know is that it wasn't something he openly discussed. |
deleted user 31.08.2006 13:21 |
I just realised. I thought of putting the point of how Freddie changed his name to Mercury by deed poll, so maybe that contributes something to the arguement about him thinking himself more English than anything else but then I thought... 'How many Brits do I know with the surname Mercury?' :D So I think Freddie didn't like to establish himself as a member of a 'race'. Not English, Indian, Parsi or even 'musical genuis'. He wanted to be the brightest star, a legend, unique, an individual. No-one could touch him. Or put him in a metaphorical bag that is a specific race. Ah well, that's my impression. But Fred has always been a mystery, all I need is for the guy to tell me how close I am to the truth, can anyone arrange that?? |
deleted user 31.08.2006 18:31 |
I'm just writing in to say I amused myself by thinking of Freddie participating in a race every time I saw this thread's title. Like, Freddie in that on bicycle race. Or, Freddie dropping flat on his face (safetly to the side of the road) during a marathon. Or... You get the picture. Then, it occured to me that we were talking about race, as in ethnicity. About three hours later. I prefer the other races, actually. The bicycle and the running. Oh, yes, I am partial to certain races - prejudiced, you could say - I MUCH prefer swimming to running and whoever told me to run distance should be kicked in the shins. Running - most boring races ever. |
deleted user 01.09.2006 01:37 |
i saw phoebe say that freddie had no balance...he'd probably fall of the bicycle:) |