| tgunn2760 28.08.2006 14:59 |
This concert has probably been uploaded many, many times, and that's the reason for this post. I will be making an NTSC DVD on two discs, with AC3 5.1 surround audio. The files have already been encoded with Canopus, and I have used some of the filter options which seem to have produced some results. What I need to do now is create chapters, which will take a little time. If there is enough interest I will seed both discs, in ISO formats, as soon as they are ready. |
| Indo77 29.08.2006 05:59 |
Hi thanks very much for this. What is the source from? Do you plan to upload it on rapidshare? |
| Roy ® 29.08.2006 06:42 |
Which generation is it ??? |
| TheGame 29.08.2006 09:28 |
Just make sure you don't make the dvd from vcd, then it's useless. If from low gen tape, exciting! |
| ibanez122 30.08.2006 12:59 |
would be nice to know which source this person is going to use |
| tgunn2760 31.08.2006 23:53 |
The source is a VCD by Heller, I believe. I may re-encode it again, I am experimenting with a similar file, which is in PAL format. I am currently encoding it in a high bit rate, as high as Canopus will allow me, in PAL, and am using filters to clean it up. I will then re-encode it and convert it to NTSC, in as high a bitrate as Canopus will allow, and use filters again. I think the results will be satisfactory. The resulting ISO files, two of them, will be between 5 and 7 GBs, so I will NOT upload them to Rapidshare. I think I have seen a DVD of this concert either on this site or some other one, I just wasn't sure if it was in NTSC format. If there is no interest, that is fine, I will make the DVDs for my own personal use anyway. |
| TheGame 01.09.2006 02:16 |
If this is from vcd, don't even bother to make an dvd. This is just the same crap as people converting mp3 --> wav VCD is a lossy video format, and encoding it to a highbitrate dvd just wont make it better!!! |
| ibanez122 01.09.2006 15:27 |
TheGame wrote: If this is from vcd, don't even bother to make an dvd. This is just the same crap as people converting mp3 --> wav VCD is a lossy video format, and encoding it to a highbitrate dvd just wont make it better!!!Was going to write something to the same effect. VCD sourced...lossy the works. dont bother with it |
| tgunn2760 02.09.2006 01:18 |
Just finished one, and it looks just fine to me.Sounds even better, with AC3 5.1 surround. |
| Crezchi 02.09.2006 05:28 |
tgunn2760 wrote: Just finished one, and it looks just fine to me.Sounds even better, with AC3 5.1 surround.Honestly, how do you 'think' you have created a 5.1 surround mix without a soundboard 'Multi-tracked' version of the audio? I don't mean to sound like an ass, but without multi-track audio, 5.1 is impossible. |
| Indo77 02.09.2006 21:50 |
I put this on 2 DVD-RW disc today. It was the miracle express version. I would say the quality is good but is plagued by grain. The source appears to be from an ageing PAL VHS from the 80s. Anyone any ideas how you would clean up the grain? |
| YourValentine 03.09.2006 05:29 |
You need to apply some filters to the video like smoothers. I do not know how you can work on VOB files, maybe you can re-convert them to avi and then run some filters with VirtualDub Mod. There are loads of free filters for VDM. You must try out how you get the best results. There are many websites where you find help and links to free software. |
| tgunn2760 04.09.2006 06:19 |
Honestly, how do you 'think' you have created a 5.1 surround mix without a soundboard 'Multi-tracked' version of the audio? I don't mean to sound like an ass, but without multi-track audio, 5.1 is impossible. With this: link |
| Crezchi 04.09.2006 09:01 |
tgunn2760 wrote: Honestly, how do you 'think' you have created a 5.1 surround mix without a soundboard 'Multi-tracked' version of the audio? I don't mean to sound like an ass, but without multi-track audio, 5.1 is impossible. With this: linkOk, but you have to have the multitrack audio to mix in 5.1! Once a recording is recorded into 1 track (like a retail cd) there is NO way of separating the tracks again. You can double layer the tracks on different feeds, or add to the tracks, but you can not create a true 5.1 mix without the multi-tracked audio. |
| tgunn2760 04.09.2006 12:31 |
Whatever it may be, it sounds much better than PCM audio and 2 channel AC3. |
| diegomercury666 04.09.2006 22:38 |
maybe it can be a great work if you do the DVD whit this quality of video link or some other do that cause many people have the VCD version it´s my opinion |
| tgunn2760 05.09.2006 01:25 |
maybe it can be a great work if you do the DVD whit this quality of video link or some other do that cause many people have the VCD version it´s my opinion If those stills are DVD captures, then it must be professionally done, the quality looks like that of a retail DVD one would buy today. I can't possibly match that quality, and from what I have seen, pros cannot either, if the source file is crummy. I have the Flix 1 and 2 DVD and the videos from older concerts just does not look as sharp as videos of later concerts, or the images on this person's site. But, what if those stills have been Photoshopped?That might explain the clarity. |
| Indo77 05.09.2006 18:20 |
If I believe correctly that version is sourced from the Miracle Express VHS which many people own. I don't know but I am slightly disappointed with that version. Some parts appear better than others however the fact that the source VHS has been put through the mill with playback does not help the quality of copies. The best version of Earl's Court is this one. link |
| tgunn2760 06.09.2006 10:50 |
"If I believe correctly that version is sourced from the Miracle Express VHS which many people own. I don't know but I am slightly disappointed with that version. Some parts appear better than others however the fact that the source VHS has been put through the mill with playback does not help the quality of copies. The best version of Earl's Court is this one. link " That does look very good. The source is Proshot, any idea where one can get that? |
| Indo77 06.09.2006 14:42 |
Harry bootlegs owns it and a few other collectors. I honestly have no idea how to obtain it. I tried someone from Poland but they were unwilling to follow through. There is however an NTSC DVD that pops up on ebay every once and a while. It has screenshots. To me the quality looked something like this. link I will certainly bid on it if it comes up again. |
| ibanez122 06.09.2006 23:17 |
tgunn2760 wrote: "If I believe correctly that version is sourced from the Miracle Express VHS which many people own. I don't know but I am slightly disappointed with that version. Some parts appear better than others however the fact that the source VHS has been put through the mill with playback does not help the quality of copies. The best version of Earl's Court is this one. link " That does look very good. The source is Proshot, any idea where one can get that?I believe thats the version that appears on PikkoloLucas site. If that is the same source, I have it |
| tgunn2760 07.09.2006 01:37 |
I believe thats the version that appears on PikkoloLucas site. If that is the same source, I have it You have the Pro Shot source file? Is it avi? |
| tgunn2760 07.09.2006 01:41 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry bootlegs owns it and a few other collectors. I honestly have no idea how to obtain it. I tried someone from Poland but they were unwilling to follow through. There is however an NTSC DVD that pops up on ebay every once and a while. It has screenshots. To me the quality looked something like this. link I will certainly bid on it if it comes up again. I emailed Harry and he got his DVD from the Italian guy. The DVD is PAL, appears to be of excellent quality, but I would have to rip it as a VOB file and re-encode it to NTSC, so it would make more sense for me to get an AVI file and work from there. This version is not as good as that of the Italian guy, I would say he made this from a VCD, and this is about the quality of the DVD I just made. And I just realized that I didn't use the filters correctly so I will give it another go...hopefully I can get a better source file than I have now. |
| tgunn2760 07.09.2006 01:50 |
For Indo77: I use Canopus Procoder, it has a number of filters you can use, you click on "advanced" and you can add video and audio filters. It has preview windows, before and after, and a larger preview window, so you can see the effects of each filter. It generally takes about 6 hours to render a movie file without using filters, if you add filters, depending on how many you add, the rendering can take 12 hours or more. It's not quick, but the results are great. And best of all, Canopus will make flawless framerate conversions, from PAL to NTSC and vice-versa. |
| ibanez122 07.09.2006 02:02 |
tgunn2760 wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry bootlegs owns it and a few other collectors. I honestly have no idea how to obtain it. I tried someone from Poland but they were unwilling to follow through. There is however an NTSC DVD that pops up on ebay every once and a while. It has screenshots. To me the quality looked something like this. link I will certainly bid on it if it comes up again. I emailed Harry and he got his DVD from the Italian guy. The DVD is PAL, appears to be of excellent quality, but I would have to rip it as a VOB file and re-encode it to NTSC, so it would make more sense for me to get an AVI file and work from there. This version is not as good as that of the Italian guy, I would say he made this from a VCD, and this is about the quality of the DVD I just made. And I just realized that I didn't use the filters correctly so I will give it another go...hopefully I can get a better source file than I have now.My version comes from someone in italy and mine is on par w/ Harrys version |
| Indo77 07.09.2006 07:11 |
My version comes from someone in italy and mine is on par w/ Harrys versionIbanez if this is the case I would not bother worrying about obtaining the Miracle Express VHS. I think Harry's version is better quality. For Indo77: I use Canopus Procoder, it has a number of filters you can use, you click on "advanced" and you can add video and audio filters. It has preview windows, before and after, and a larger preview window, so you can see the effects of each filter. It generally takes about 6 hours to render a movie file without using filters, if you add filters, depending on how many you add, the rendering can take 12 hours or more. It's not quick, but the results are great. And best of all, Canopus will make flawless framerate conversions, from PAL to NTSC and vice-versa. At the minute I am dealing with a DVD-RW that won't rewrite. It is a Matsh*ta 811-UJT model on a Toshiba laptop. Legend has it from Internet forums that TDK discs will rewrite on this crap crap drive. That might make sense since it will make VCDS from TDK CDs. Is Canopus Procoder expensive? I have copied my VHS to 2 DVD RWs (using Scart leads) but I am wondering does the file have to be converted to AVI? Another concern is will the whole process make the DVD look like it was shot on film as opposed to videotape. This particular concert was shot on Beta videotape. |
| tgunn2760 07.09.2006 11:30 |
Ibanez wrote: My version comes from someone in italy and mine is on par w/ Harrys version Can you post it in the announce forum? I can make a two disc DVD out of it and share it as soon as I am done. |
| tgunn2760 07.09.2006 11:51 |
Indo77 wrote: At the minute I am dealing with a DVD-RW that won't rewrite. It is a Matsh*ta 811-UJT model on a Toshiba laptop. Legend has it from Internet forums that TDK discs will rewrite on this crap crap drive. That might make sense since it will make VCDS from TDK CDs. Is Canopus Procoder expensive? I have copied my VHS to 2 DVD RWs (using Scart leads) but I am wondering does the file have to be converted to AVI? Another concern is will the whole process make the DVD look like it was shot on film as opposed to videotape. This particular concert was shot on Beta videotape. You lost me here. You have the concert on two DVD-RWs, that you copied from a VHS tape? Is it in MPG format? I would assume so. It does not have to be converted to AVI, Canopus will work with MPGs and VOBs as well. What matters most is the quality of the source file. If it's better than the VCD quality, it will yield a better DVD. link You can download a trial version of Canopus, and you can see all the video filters at the bottom of this page. |
| ibanez122 07.09.2006 12:56 |
Indo77 wrote:My version comes from someone in italy and mine is on par w/ Harrys versionIbanez if this is the case I would not bother worrying about obtaining the Miracle Express VHS. I think Harry's version is better quality. |
| Indo77 07.09.2006 17:35 |
Ibanez
I got a message in my hotmail account stating
Hello Indo77,
You have received a new private message to your account on "Queen Traders" and
you have requested that you be notified on this event. You can view your new
message by clicking on the following link:
But when I click on the link I get
"You have no messages in this folder"
I can be contacted at Indo_avt@hotmail.com
You lost me here. You have the concert on two DVD-RWs, that you copied from a VHS tape? Is it in MPG format? I would assume so.Yeah I taped it from a VHS tape. |
| tgunn2760 07.09.2006 22:28 |
At the minute I am dealing with a DVD-RW that won't rewrite. It is a Matsh*ta 811-UJT model on a Toshiba laptop. Legend has it from Internet forums that TDK discs will rewrite on this crap crap drive. That might make sense since it will make VCDS from TDK CDs. Is Canopus Procoder expensive? I have copied my VHS to 2 DVD RWs (using Scart leads) but I am wondering does the file have to be converted to AVI? Another concern is will the whole process make the DVD look like it was shot on film as opposed to videotape. This particular concert was shot on Beta videotape. I don't understand the format the concert is in, is it two MPEG files you saved on DVD-RWs as data, are they uncompressed video files, or DVD files? If they are MPEGs, just keep them as such. If they are uncompressed they must be huge, if VOB I wouldn't save to AVI as this will degrade the video. Trade them as VOB files, people can rip them to their drives and convert/encode them there. |
| Indo77 08.09.2006 08:09 |
I have a feeling they are MPEG but I can't look at the file on the DVD-RW disc since the Matcrapso won't read it. I taped it from VHS using scart leads onto 2 DVDs in HQ so the file size takes up the whole disc. I may try to bargain with a different distributor (tdk) to re-copy it. If you want the 2 DVD RW discs you can have them but they are in PAL format. |
| tgunn2760 08.09.2006 09:33 |
I have a feeling they are MPEG but I can't look at the file on the DVD-RW disc since the Matcrapso won't read it. I taped it from VHS using scart leads onto 2 DVDs in HQ so the file size takes up the whole disc. I may try to bargain with a different distributor (tdk) to re-copy it. If you want the 2 DVD RW discs you can have them but they are in PAL format OK, I got you now, your player will not read them. It may not be the drive at fault, most likely the discs are corrupt. I had the same problem with a number of Queen video files that I stored on a DVD blank. My player tells me that the discs are corrupt and it cannot read them. Canopus will convert frame rates PAL to NTSC and vice versa flawlessly, so that's not an issue. It sounds like you are the only one willing to share a VHS rip of this concert in this forum. I visited Queentraders as well, it seems you have to have something to trade to get a copy of it. |
| diegomercury666 08.09.2006 10:13 |
is better in DVD files |