Ozzy Queen 12.08.2006 22:46 |
Did the band know that Knebworth '86 would be their last concert. |
Rick 13.08.2006 04:56 |
No |
FriedChicken 13.08.2006 05:06 |
No |
FriedChicken 13.08.2006 05:07 |
Maybe they knew it was something they wouldn't be doing for some time. Or that they wouldn't do it as often. But they surely didn't know it was their last with Freddie |
Bohardy 13.08.2006 07:00 |
I'm sure I've watched, heard or read an interview of Brian's recently where he said that basically they did all have the feeling at the time this would be their last ever concert. Can anyone else confirm I'm not imagining things? |
rosedewitt 13.08.2006 07:16 |
yes, at least freddie knew. |
nationofhaircuts44 13.08.2006 07:50 |
During the 1989 hour long BBC radio interview with all 4, all but Freddie said that they had wanted to tour with The Miracle, and Freddie listed various reasons why he didn't want to. If you take it at face value that the 3 wanted to tour, then it's unlikely that they could have known Knebworth was going to be the last show. I presume Freddie would have realised after his diagnosis that he would not be strong enough to tour again. Personally i think that hindsight and bereavement bring out all sorts of feelings in people that they somehow knew certain things were going to happen. |
Carol! the Musical 13.08.2006 12:08 |
nationofhaircuts44 wrote: During the 1989 hour long BBC radio interview with all 4, all but Freddie said that they had wanted to tour with The Miracle, and Freddie listed various reasons why he didn't want to. If you take it at face value that the 3 wanted to tour, then it's unlikely that they could have known Knebworth was going to be the last show. I presume Freddie would have realised after his diagnosis that he would not be strong enough to tour again. Personally i think that hindsight and bereavement bring out all sorts of feelings in people that they somehow knew certain things were going to happen.What were the reasons Freddie stated? |
nationofhaircuts44 13.08.2006 13:49 |
I cant remember the whole answer, but he joked he was too old to be prancing around in leotards or words to that effect. |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 13.08.2006 16:08 |
Bohardy wrote: I'm sure I've watched, heard or read an interview of Brian's recently where he said that basically they did all have the feeling at the time this would be their last ever concert. Can anyone else confirm I'm not imagining things?You're not daydreaming, Bohardy :) he did say something to that effect some time ago. Cheers Ogre- |
bas asselbergs 13.08.2006 18:27 |
I was at that wonderful show. During the show i was drawn into an incident of Hells Angels stabbing a Status Quo fan and i tried to get him to the red cross posts in time, but he didn't make it. (I never learned about who he was. If anybody knows, please tell me...) After the show, the band were told about the incident, and Freddie said: "if people have to die because they wanna see us, i'll NEVER perform live again." It is a fact they never did a gig after that....but i don't know if they new BEFORE the show, if it was going to be their last show together. The size of the venue couldn't have been the problem, or the fear that it was impossible to ever "top" this occasion...They did Rio after all, and this came after Rio...and at that time they thought Rio was impossible to top. Yet they did the Knebworth thing. The stabbing and death of a fan, was something that really made an impact on all bandmembers and other people present...and knowing Freddie, it might very well have added to the fact that they never did tour again i guess. |
stateside fan 13.08.2006 18:43 |
there were plans to take the Magic Tour to Japan so i doubt anyone knew Knebworth would be the last show. |
Lester Burnham 13.08.2006 21:05 |
Bohardy wrote: I'm sure I've watched, heard or read an interview of Brian's recently where he said that basically they did all have the feeling at the time this would be their last ever concert. Can anyone else confirm I'm not imagining things?You're probably imagining things, but this one thing is true. It was on the Wembley DVD, where Brian said there was a fight or something backstage at one of the gigs and Freddie said something like, "I won't be doing this forever, you know", and Brian thought that was Freddie's way of saying that their days as a live band were coming to an end. As someone said, hindsight is 20/20; they probably had no idea 1986 would be their last year. |
The Real Wizard 13.08.2006 22:24 |
stateside fan wrote: there were plans to take the Magic Tour to Japan so i doubt anyone knew Knebworth would be the last show.I've never heard that before. It's widely known that the boys wanted a break after the European tour. What's your source? You're the same guy who said Queen's Live Killers was originally called "Queen: Live Worldwide". I emailed that Philadelphia DJ, btw, and I haven't gotten a reply, and that was weeks ago. And I still haven't received that recording you promised me, at least half a year ago. I'm starting to doubt every word you say, John. |
Asterik 14.08.2006 06:56 |
Well it's a tricky one. On the Live At Wembley disc 2, Brian mentions an argument between Fred and John in Spain which was the leg before Knebworth. Freddie said that soon, he would no longer be able to tour, which seems to me a suggestion that he was feeling the first effects of AIDS. This view is supported by Mercury's tired appearance at several of the shows and more limited mobility though no one noticed because he cleverly went on massive stage-long runs during Now I'm Here and One Vision etc. I think the sheer scale of the Knebworth show gave an unspoken finale feeling, as did Freddie's decision to not attend the after show party. Referring to 1989, the others definitely wanted to tour, which seems to imply that in 1988, they noticed nothing particualarly odd about Fredie's condition, so my answer is they didn't know for sure in 86 but the doubts were there. |
bas asselbergs 14.08.2006 18:22 |
Freddie couldn't party anymore when he was informed about the death of the Status Quo fan during the show.... |
Ozzy Queen 15.08.2006 05:22 |
I didn't know some one died. On the point of the sheer scale of the concert, whos knows the approximate number of people |
Togg 15.08.2006 09:30 |
Freddie had to be pursuaded to tour at all in 86, he apparently nearly backed out the week before the tour started, but Jim talked him round. In 86 he didn't have enough time to come to terms with his health and frankly I doubt he was feeling any side effects at all other than simple age. Not until 88 did he really start to go downhill, and even the band were still unsure what he was dealing with at that point. I think Freddie had probably grown very bored with touring by 86 and wanted to take things a little more easily after then, I seriously doubt anyone knew or thought it was there last concert, however I suspect they all knew it would be a long time before they hit the stage again and I suspect they possibly even thought they would never again play such a venue. |
The Real Wizard 15.08.2006 12:21 |
Togg wrote: Freddie had to be pursuaded to tour at all in 86, he apparently nearly backed out the week before the tour started, but Jim talked him round.Was this because of AIDS, or the apathy? Freddie went for an AIDS test in '86, but was that before or after the tour? |
bas asselbergs 15.08.2006 12:38 |
Freddie was told in Budapest he was hiv-seropositive. |
Rogers Eye Bags 15.08.2006 12:51 |
bas asselbergs wrote: Freddie was told in Budapest he was hiv-seropositive.That just makes me so sad.....I just can't bloody imagine being told of something as that. I would faint...........poor guy. |
wstüssyb 15.08.2006 15:36 |
Freddie was told in Budapest he was hiv-seropositive. And the proof is? |
another one diets the bust 15.08.2006 16:03 |
Togg wrote: Freddie had to be pursuaded to tour at all in 86, he apparently nearly backed out the week before the tour started, but Jim talked him round.is that the main reason the magic tour had so few dates? |
bas asselbergs 15.08.2006 20:31 |
amongst others.... quit short after he was told the outcome of the hiv-tests, he had an interview, and in this interview he was asked if he would go on another tour at this scale, and he then said: yes ofcourse....that is...IF i'm still alive....it was the first and only time something like this slipped through, and at the time nobody could even guess what he really meant...it is on the budapest video when he said this...Jim Hutton told me at a convention that the outcome of the tests and the bad results made Freddie react like this to the question....I have a picture of Freddie from Holland 1986, where you can clearly see the kaposi cancer showing in his neck...now we know what it is...then it looked like a kiss or bite mark more...again Jim told me that it most certainly wasn't that...it makes the picture only more sad...tragic... |
wstüssyb 15.08.2006 20:52 |
Show us the picture please. |
The Real Wizard 16.08.2006 01:24 |
bas asselbergs wrote: quit short after he was told the outcome of the hiv-tests, he had an interview, and in this interview he was asked if he would go on another tour at this scale, and he then said: yes ofcourse....that is...IF i'm still alive....What's your source for this? Not that I'm doubting you, but this is the first time I've ever heard about this. |
bas asselbergs 16.08.2006 19:27 |
the source for that is quit simple and obvious: the Budapest video. I asked Jim at a convention about this "slip of the tongue" from Freddie, and Jim explained it like this to me. So that is how i know this. Freddie was so devastated, he didnt want to do the interview at all. but he didn't want to let down the peole too, so with all this stress in him, this came out as an outing of his feelings....very little, very subtle, but soo significant... |
bas asselbergs 16.08.2006 20:02 |
i'll see if i can upload the picture for you...i hope this works...i am not that good with computers you know....i have the picture digitalised now....no...won't work...can anybody tell me how to get the picture in there? |
eenaweena 17.08.2006 02:17 |
okay. i'm getting confused. when exactly did freddie find out he had aids? |
Alfred77 17.08.2006 09:53 |
Are you sure about this? I mean, I've always heard and read that Freddie learnt about his illness around Easter 1987...is it true that he learnt it during the Budapest days? If it is true, this is absolutely sad...then I can better understand his answer to the hungarian interviewer: -If I'm still alive I will come back!- Please post the picture with the Kaposi signs.... |
The Real Wizard 17.08.2006 12:27 |
bas asselbergs wrote: the source for that is quit simple and obvious: the Budapest video. I asked Jim at a convention about this "slip of the tongue" from Freddie, and Jim explained it like this to me. So that is how i know this. Freddie was so devastated, he didnt want to do the interview at all. but he didn't want to let down the peole too, so with all this stress in him, this came out as an outing of his feelings....very little, very subtle, but soo significant...You mean, the official video? At what point? I don't recall seeing this. But... I haven't watched the whole video in many years. |
Lester Burnham 17.08.2006 12:45 |
bas asselbergs wrote: i'll see if i can upload the picture for you...i hope this works...i am not that good with computers you know....i have the picture digitalised now....no...won't work...can anybody tell me how to get the picture in there?If it's scanned, save it as a .jpg. Go to imageshack.us and click on the "Browse" button. Navigate to where you saved the picture and click "Upload". Copy the link and paste it here. |
luthorn 17.08.2006 12:51 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:I recall Freddie declining an interview in the Budapest video, but I do not recall him saying anything this profound. Post a video proof on youtube all elsewhere.bas asselbergs wrote: the source for that is quit simple and obvious: the Budapest video. I asked Jim at a convention about this "slip of the tongue" from Freddie, and Jim explained it like this to me. So that is how i know this. Freddie was so devastated, he didnt want to do the interview at all. but he didn't want to let down the peole too, so with all this stress in him, this came out as an outing of his feelings....very little, very subtle, but soo significant...You mean, the official video? At what point? I don't recall seeing this. But... I haven't watched the whole video in many years. |
kudilja 17.08.2006 14:15 |
it is strange that they never brought Magic tour to Japan, Queen was very popular there. |
bas asselbergs 17.08.2006 18:51 |
if someone gives me his or her e-mail adres so i can simply mail that picture to him or her, then he or she may upload it here in the zone...i am just not that good to do all this stuff...i have it right here....but i can't seem to get it out, only as attachment in an email i can do it...so...please giveyour email and i'll send it, then you do it for me okay? |
eenaweena 18.08.2006 08:17 |
i read somewhere that he was diagnosed with this disease 7 years before his passing. is this true?? |
kudilja 18.08.2006 16:14 |
I think Mary Austin said that.... |
Joeker 18.08.2006 17:53 |
yes John deaconknew it was HIS last show. They said, "fuck This garbage, get me a cup of tea and a stripper." |
The Real Wizard 21.08.2006 00:36 |
No updates on this? |
RETROLOVE 21.08.2006 01:35 |
Okay, I thought Freddie found out he was HIV positive in 1987? |
Asterik 21.08.2006 07:11 |
Togg wrote: |
Asterik 21.08.2006 07:15 |
bas asselbergs wrote: amongst others.... quit short after he was told the outcome of the hiv-tests, he had an interview, and in this interview he was asked if he would go on another tour at this scale, and he then said: yes ofcourse....that is...IF i'm still alive....it was the first and only time something like this slipped through, and at the time nobody could even guess what he really meant...it is on the budapest video when he said this... |
Bobby_brown 21.08.2006 13:34 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: No updates on this?O.K, first of all, i just want to say that i´m not 100% certain of the facts. Only freddie knew for real! But based on various biographies and a picture and a concert (this is so obvious to me that i´m shocked that nobody noticed before!), this is what i believe to have happened: Barbara Valentim has said in an interview for one of his Bios that around 1984 in Munich Freddie would sometimes start to cough for long periods. This doesn´t prove nothing, but could have been provoqued by: 1- Freddie was a heavy smoker: 2- could be an early sign of the disease? In her own words, she said that Freddie was probably infected, and even though he didn´t told anybody, he already had suspicious that something could be going on with his body (and notice that by this time he hadn´t made the tests-at least no one is aware!). To ilustrate this, she told an episode around this period: She said that one day Freddie was bleeding (a cut in his hand?-i don´t remember)- and was washing the blood in the bathroom. When she arrived to help him, he told her to don´t touch his blood and stay away from him. At the time she didn´t understood his reaction, but now she has a reason to believe that he was protecting her from geting infected by the virus. The picture i talked before is a cover of a book i have and is taken for "Live Aid". That´s right!! For me there´s a strong evidence that he was already infected because there is a sign in his right arm near the bracelet. I´m going to post a link to rapidshare and then after you see the picture, go and watch the concert again, and stop the image to have a better look. The reason i believe this is an AIDS sign is because it´s almost impossible to hurt your arm in that place, if you have a domestic accident (it can happen but it´s against all ods). Here´s the link: link And now that you think of it, why was Freddie trying to cover it with the bracelet. You only wear that kind of bracelet when you´re wearing leather (even though it fitted Freddie in perfection with that denim). This is just some food for thought. I believe he was infected around 1984 or earlier, and he probably knew that something was going on, but he probably postponed the tests untill the signs were to heavy to ignore. That´s probably why he only did them in 1986. That´s why they only did 27 shows to promote "A Kind of Magic". And Brian has stated in many interviews that Freddie probably knew he had AIDS when he was performing at wembley. Take care |
maxpower 21.08.2006 14:13 |
erm Freddie wore the braclet on his right arm not his left |
Bobby_brown 21.08.2006 18:37 |
maxpower wrote: erm Freddie wore the braclet on his right arm not his leftSorry, my mistake, i´ve already changed that. I meant to say right arm. Thanks for pointing it out! Take care |
abe 21.08.2006 22:04 |
In regards to Knebworth 86, perhaps only Brian had suspicion that something was not right with Mercury. I dont think Taylor or Deacon would have suspected anything was up, remember May appears to be a deep thinker i.e he comes across in interviews very cautious and wary of the questions being pitched to him. This topic was discussed late last year I believe, and 'Asterik' wrote some very insightful notes on this topic. It has been officially documented by Jim Hutton that Mercury was diagnosed with Aids in 1987, however Mercury had also undergone a test in 85, which proved negative...well thats what Mercury is quoted to have said anyway. Perhaps for sure that Mercury was worried about contracting Aids prior to 1987, however I have seen nothing to strongly prove any physical signs/symptoms of Mercury having the disease prior to 197. We only have to look at videos and pictures of Mercury from 1987 onwards that we see a significant change in his physical appearances, mainly beginning from late 1988 and in 1989 where if we look at the subsequent videos accompanying 'The Miracle', we can see Mercury becoming more thin and frail, personally I think he looks menacing in 'I want it All' and he doesn't look ill in that video either, even though he was. Well there you have it, some will agree with me, some will have there own spin. |
The Real Wizard 22.08.2006 00:03 |
Freddie did put on a bit of weight in 86. Could that have anything to do with it? |
abe 22.08.2006 02:44 |
I think Mercury's weight increase in 86 could be put down to his alcohol/beer consumption, look at the beverages on his piano, and I bet it aint water, more like Beer and Vodka. Mercury liked his drink as we all know and have read. Some have said in past threads that the weight increase is due to Mercury taking AIDS medication (AZT), but he hadn't been diagnosed with AIDS at that point, so he wouldn't have been prescribed any AIDS med. |
Bobby_brown 22.08.2006 09:05 |
But what do you guys think about the picture i posted before: link Do you think that the sign on his right arm could be AIDS related or not? (on the live aid concert-1985). Take care |
abe 22.08.2006 20:53 |
Hey Bobby_brown, in that picture with the bruising, I have seen this pic before, the reasons I believe more so that its not a sign of K.S or AIDS, is have a look at the body its on...I mean Mercury looks very fit there and toned. Mercury may have had HIV in 1985, but not full blown AIDS. For him to have K.S, he must have AIDS, K.S I believe does not appear when one is only in the HIV phase, but does so with the onset of AIDS. To me Mercury doesn't look like he has AIDS in that pic, it wasn't until 1988 we could see signs of K.S developing on his face and hands, remember Mercury had been diagnosed with AIDS in 1987. To what other explanation that bruising is, I simply dont know, could be anyones guess, but not K.S. |
luthorn 22.08.2006 22:50 |
abe wrote: Hey Bobby_brown, in that picture with the bruising, I have seen this pic before, the reasons I believe more so that its not a sign of K.S or AIDS, is have a look at the body its on...I mean Mercury looks very fit there and toned. Mercury may have had HIV in 1985, but not full blown AIDS. For him to have K.S, he must have AIDS, K.S I believe does not appear when one is only in the HIV phase, but does so with the onset of AIDS. To me Mercury doesn't look like he has AIDS in that pic, it wasn't until 1988 we could see signs of K.S developing on his face and hands, remember Mercury had been diagnosed with AIDS in 1987. To what other explanation that bruising is, I simply dont know, could be anyones guess, but not K.S. Well, Freddie just met a new love of his life a few days before, Jim Hutton. I am sure they had some 'fun' in the days leading to the concert, hence bruises. |
goldenglobe 23.08.2006 07:13 |
Just to clear it up at last: The facts: Freddie did the HIV test around Easter 1987. Jim Hutton told us so in his Book. He also writes that the K.S. started around May 1987 in Ibiza. So, AIDS developped/started around May1987, Test in April 1987 ->he was infected by the begining of1987! And all the rest is speculation. It is probably true he had HIV in 1986 and thought about the possibility of having it, yes probably his body started to react somehow. the Budapest story is not true to me, as Jim Hutton otherwise had written this in his book! regards |
Togg 23.08.2006 07:47 |
Just to add to the fire, although it's speculation, it is widely thought he was (technically) infected whilst living/working in New York, end of the 70's early 80's. This is the period when he was most promiscuous and he was in the circle of friends that were one of the first to go down with the disease. Therefore by the time he met Jim, his path was already written out for him... |
stateside fan 23.08.2006 08:34 |
Sir GH i have done nothing but promote and champion everything you do here.so in regard to your comment about me,FUCK OFF.Back in 1986 while the magic tour was going on Circus mag said that while prospects for a us leg were not good,there were dates being sought for Japan.wow did i have you pegged wrong you twit |
Paulos 23.08.2006 13:08 |
Calm down ladies. While im not an expert in medical matters ive always understood that unless theres medical intervention then HIV hybernates in the body for around 8 years, and that after that time it will have developed into Aids, this will last for an average of 2 years. Back in the 80's HIV/Aids diagnosis was still in its infancy, from what i can gather a sufferer would have to have up to 3 tests to prove categorily if he/she is infected, and that these tests would be seperated by many momths what with the results taking so long to come back. Taking the above into account its highly possible Freddie contracted HIV in the early 80's. Its also possible he had a test in 85 which proved negative (testing was still hit and miss back then), a further test in 86 which was postive and a final conclsuive test in early 87 which was also positive. If the HIV quickly developed into AIDS some time in 87 then it was indeed a Miracle that the album was released in 89, not to mention Innuendo and MIH tracks. If this is right then we were lucky to have Freddie for slightly longer than the doctors may have expected. All the above is just something ive been putting together in my head, it seems to fit, but may be wrong so i apologies to anyone if ive got the HIV/AIDS history wrong. |
IvoDutch 23.08.2006 13:24 |
I don't know why this subject returns every time. It's in Jim Hutton's book. Freddie found out in 1987 he had "full blown AIDS" after a positive AIDS-test. A lot of Freddie's (gay) friends were also infected, and died of AIDS as the years went by. Freddie was involved in both the New York and Munich gay party scene in the early and mid-80's. I guess he was infected in that period. Before and during the 1986 tour Freddie knew about the AIDS-virus, and heard some people were infected and ill that he knew very well. I guess Freddie was very scared that he would get the disease as well. Freddie moved back to Kensington, London in 1986 or 1987, and also changed his lifestyle. But it was too late.... |
IvoDutch 23.08.2006 13:29 |
the programme "When Freddie Mercury met Kenny Everett" also gives information about the gay scene Freddie en Kenny both were involved in. |
The Real Wizard 24.08.2006 10:58 |
stateside fan wrote: Sir GH i have done nothing but promote and champion everything you do here.so in regard to your comment about me,FUCK OFF.Back in 1986 while the magic tour was going on Circus mag said that while prospects for a us leg were not good,there were dates being sought for Japan.wow did i have you pegged wrong you twitI didn't do anything wrong. All I've done is report the truth, am I right? I appreciate how you've been posting nice things about my work, but it still doesn't excuse you from ignoring my emails for months, and not sending me what you promised. As soon as you send it to me, I'll be sure to make a "stateside fan is a great guy, and i apologize" topic for everyone to see. |
Bobby_brown 24.08.2006 13:40 |
IvoDutch wrote: I don't know why this subject returns every time. It's in Jim Hutton's book. Freddie found out in 1987 he had "full blown AIDS" after a positive AIDS-test.That is the oficial version. What we are trying to discover is if Freddie knew that something was going on. You can clearly hear Freddie at Wembley saying (before WWTLF) that Queen will stay together "till one of us will fucking die-I´m shure of it". Brian has said before that during the Wembley concert Freddie told him that he feels he wasn´t going to be doing that (performing) for a much longer time (i can´t recall the exact words!). Brian said that he thought that it was just another mood from Freddie, but now that he thinks of it he feels that is possible that Freddie knew at the time that something wasn´t right. And Freddie didn´t have to be Einstein to know that something wasn´t right. Just imagine that he knew that lots of his "Friends" were dying with the desease. You know that not being infected is a "one in a million" chance you´ve got. Being Jimmy a new partner i don´t think Freddie would go out saying "I think i got AIDS", until he new he was one to trust. And the magic tour was very little compared to Queen standarts. Lets not forget that the band were excited to do live shows again after the reaction on Live Aid. They all said that, and the best thing to do with an album that was number 1 in 31 countries in the world is to do 27 Europe dates to promote it?- I don´t buy that he was tired . He was being carefull, he probably knew that until August he wouldn´t have major problems, but after that he wsn´t shure, and in my opinion he didn´t have the motivation to do so, even if you only live with the ghost of having HIV i think it´s hard to perform and feel happy with what you´re doing. Even if it wasn´t official, just the fact that your lovers were dying must have been really hard to overcome. Take care |
Regor 24.08.2006 14:29 |
Yeah, I think too that some of these statments were motivated by a mixture of fear, being careful and thinking of the first victims of the disease. And the interview in Budapest ? He was just pissed off being interviewed, as it was the night of Rog's 37th birthday party. He just wanted to get rid of that journalist. He knew there was a threat, that was in his mind IMO. And in fact it has been stated several times by Jim, Phoebe and others that he did not know definitely that he was positive before 1987. |
stateside fan 24.08.2006 15:32 |
GH...please reach me at new email addy which i am sending you now. |
stateside fan 24.08.2006 15:33 |
and no i never said it was called "live worldwide" are you manic?? |
The Real Wizard 27.08.2006 14:30 |
stateside fan wrote: and no i never said it was called "live worldwide" are you manic??No, not at all. Here's a copy & paste from an email you sent me on September 26 of last year: ANOTHER TIDBIT IS THE WORKING TITLE FOR LK WAS "QUEEN:LIVE WORLD WIDE" ------------- No email from you yet. I'll let you know when I receive it. |
Simon says87 27.08.2006 15:25 |
In Budapest the interviewer asked if he would come back to Hungary again. And freddie replied: Yes, If i'm still alive. thats the way I remember it... |
stateside fan 27.08.2006 17:05 |
that was not from me though.and i dont type in caps |
The Real Wizard 30.08.2006 11:15 |
Well, that's in my inbox. Either it was you and you forgot about that, or someone else has your password and happens to know you have a great interest in Live Killers. Still no email from you. It's been 9 months, John. |
haryanto chandra 19.01.2007 02:30 |
kingarthur wrote: yes John deaconknew it was HIS last show. They said, "fuck This garbage, get me a cup of tea and a stripper."LOL ... Was it really true that JD said that? Some posts I found really funny , lots of sense humour , typical of Queen fans . How ever Queen Rocks !!!! |
haryanto chandra 19.01.2007 03:07 |
kingarthur wrote: yes John deaconknew it was HIS last show. They said, "fuck This garbage, get me a cup of tea and a stripper."LOL ... Was it really true that JD said that? Some posts I found really funny , lots of sense humour , typical of Queen fans . How ever Queen Rocks !!!! |
haryanto chandra 19.01.2007 03:07 |
kingarthur wrote: yes John deaconknew it was HIS last show. They said, "fuck This garbage, get me a cup of tea and a stripper."LOL ... Was it really true that JD said that? Some posts I found really funny , lots of sense humour , typical of Queen fans . How ever Queen Rocks !!!! |
Winter Land Man 19.01.2007 15:00 |
abe wrote: Hey Bobby_brown, in that picture with the bruising, I have seen this pic before, the reasons I believe more so that its not a sign of K.S or AIDS, is have a look at the body its on...I mean Mercury looks very fit there and toned. Mercury may have had HIV in 1985, but not full blown AIDS. For him to have K.S, he must have AIDS, K.S I believe does not appear when one is only in the HIV phase, but does so with the onset of AIDS. To me Mercury doesn't look like he has AIDS in that pic, it wasn't until 1988 we could see signs of K.S developing on his face and hands, remember Mercury had been diagnosed with AIDS in 1987. To what other explanation that bruising is, I simply dont know, could be anyones guess, but not K.S.I'm not saying it is, but I know people with HIV who have Kaposi Sarcoma and they seem fit. |
Winter Land Man 19.01.2007 15:02 |
goldenglobe wrote: Just to clear it up at last: The facts: Freddie did the HIV test around Easter 1987. Jim Hutton told us so in his Book. He also writes that the K.S. started around May 1987 in Ibiza. So, AIDS developped/started around May1987, Test in April 1987 ->he was infected by the begining of1987! And all the rest is speculation. It is probably true he had HIV in 1986 and thought about the possibility of having it, yes probably his body started to react somehow. the Budapest story is not true to me, as Jim Hutton otherwise had written this in his book! regardsMary said 1984. Jim said 1987. Mary doesn't spread Freddie's personal things around and go to the extremes. Jim's in most documentaries detailing Freddie's life. |
Ale_Pisa 19.01.2007 21:42 |
If I remember well there's an interview in 1983 or early 1984... Freddie said that he live like a nun or something... someone have more details? For sure Freddie know that Knebworth was the last show with Brian, Roger and John! |
simps 19.01.2007 22:43 |
Can someone upload that Live Aid picture as just a regulr download.(*Not from RapidShare!) |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 21.01.2007 11:52 |
I guess Freddie knew he had HIV in the early 1986 before the Magic Tour. I don't believe Jim. Or Freddie could want to not say him, so Jim only knew in 1987. Why I think so? Just look at Freddie in 1985 and in 1986 - how he changed... I don't know how to say it... - His look became most 'serious' and deep. Please, don't laugh - he looks for me in 1986 as he became a father - his look became very philosophical... His movements became more 'measured'. It's sedate Freddie... |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 21.01.2007 11:55 |
But anyway even if he knew he had HIV/AIDS it could be not the last Queen tour. Sometimes HIV progresses slowly. - And it did with Freddie. - I imagine Freddie could perform with Queen in 1987. |
The Real Wizard 23.01.2007 11:47 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: I guess Freddie knew he had HIV in the early 1986 before the Magic Tour. I don't believe Jim. Or Freddie could want to not say him, so Jim only knew in 1987. Why I think so? Just look at Freddie in 1985 and in 1986 - how he changed... I don't know how to say it... - His look became most 'serious' and deep. Please, don't laugh - he looks for me in 1986 as he became a father - his look became very philosophical... His movements became more 'measured'. It's sedate Freddie...That's a very good observation, and people tend to miss that. His appearance also changed from 85 to 86. He put on a bit of weight, and his face looked puffier. Did that have anything to do with him being HIV-positive, or is that unrelated? |
john bodega 24.01.2007 00:00 |
Re: the Puffier Look... Certain HIV medications can give you a bit of water retention. Or so I've heard - that might actually be medication for the AIDS bit which comes later on. In any case, for him to have actually been chugging medication for that, he would need to have seen a doctor and had it all diagnosed etcetera. I also find it difficult to reconcile Jim Hutton's recollection with Mary Austin's. Jim Hutton says (in his book) that Freddie went to a doctor in 1987, was petrified because they took a lump off him, and then he found out he was HIV, AIDS, whatever. Mary Austin put it thus (In "Queen - Is This The Real Life") : Freddie had seen a doctor, but was refusing to answer calls from the guy, for quite a long while, until one day she was told (deliberately? I wonder if thats allowed) that Freddie had HIV. She also makes it sound as though this happened '7 years' before he died, which would put it in 1984. Or thereabouts. Sorry to obsess :P Just trying to help the never ending argument... if you ask me, Freddie knew he had it from the moment the disease became well known. It's just common sense; look at the company he kept! My guess is that it takes a bit of personal maturity and introspection to really grasp the gravity of a thing like AIDS. Hence the shift in his apparent personality over time. |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 24.01.2007 03:19 |
Yeah, it's usually two differences that Mary and Hutton says. For that Freddie's night Budapest interview, look at here (not good quality): link Freddie looks embarrassed. |