QueenZone discussion #838727

Leonardo Venegas wrote: I'm really interested Mr. Stuart! I'd love to have those songs in Flac Greetings!

sebas_qsry wrote: Mrs Stuart: What type of material, are you interested?... to return the past attentions?

turini wrote: i think there is a request forum? you always scream at people to go there why dont YOU

John S Stuart wrote:

sebas_qsry wrote: Mrs Stuart: What type of material, are you interested?... to return the past attentions?

sebas_qsry: Nothing impossible - just some of the tracks currently secretly traded inside this very community. No more – or less. I certainly do not think that I am DUE these tracks, or that I even deserve them - I am neither that presumptuous nor egotistical - but I feel no shame in using FLAC as a bartering tool. I do confess to feeling somewhat guilty, as I really do believe that it is a sad day resorting to such tactics – and I know that this is not the way to either win friends or influence people - but what else would you do in my position? PS: It's Mr - not Mrs!

John S Stuart wrote: Bobby: Clean.

Scream_for_reality wrote:

John S Stuart wrote: Just as I thought - it doesn't look like anyone wants to take me up on the offer - because most people are happy with their MP3 versions.

I have nothing to trade anymore. But could you upload the clear version of Modern times rock 'n'roll in mp3?

pootle1 wrote: Is there anything in particular you're after john? fan filmed concert recordings? Queen, solo...?

John S Stuart wrote: Pootle1: I am looking for 'Face It Alone', and some of the other Queen studio demos which surfaced earlier this year.

pootle1 wrote: Actually, I'm surprised you don't have them as I thought you had everything!! :) For information purposes, would you mind listing the other studio demos that have surfaced this year please? Thanks,

pootle1 wrote: Thanks for the little bit of information John. I agree with you. Virtually all my rarities have been exhausted over the last 8 years and I don't even get info anymore on what's out there! The people I used to trade with have all long gone, and I'm an outsider these days. Occasioanlly something good crops up and I then I feel dirty because some people on here would call me an elite trader for not sharing it...

John S Stuart wrote:

pootle1 wrote: Actually, I'm surprised you don't have them as I thought you had everything!! :) For information purposes, would you mind listing the other studio demos that have surfaced this year please? Thanks,

Pootle 1: I wish I did have everything, but unfortunately, I don't - I guess we are all human after all. As to what else has been 'released', it seems that I am an embarrassment to the ‘established’ collecting world – because I am not afraid to publish what I think. I guess the view is that my ‘mouth is too big’, and that I can not keep a secret, thus making me a liability in ‘elite circles’. So it seems that I am ‘forbidden’ to discuss such material. While I freely admit the charge, I do not see this as some sort of Judas-like betrayal, as after all I do not have copies of the tracks to share. In my mind, it is one thing to ‘betray’ what is available – while it is another, perhaps more ‘serious crime’ to betray a donor’s actual ‘property’. First: The sad thing is that I feel like a used whore. All serious collectors eventually will. As we slowly release all our valuable treasures, little remains to swap with. Suddenly, a new batch of rarities hits ‘the market’, but because of previous personal generosity, one can no longer play in the current game. When this current batch of rarities becomes common, another fresh batch of collectables will appear, and suddenly those collectors who are currently flavour of the month, will lose that prestige, as they too are relegated to the used whore status. It just seems so sad that no-one is willing is move in any direction, for what is, after all, (usually) the stolen property of Queen Productions. Second: As I live in a democracy, I will not give up my right to publish what I see as free information. I have not signed the Official Secrets Act, nor do I see the discussion of a few Queen songs as a danger to any nation’s National Security. It seems to me that the Stalinist-Mafioso mentality of these collectors is almost akin to the breaking of religious vows or the Masonic oath. Why should we be ‘forbidden’ to discuss such material – and by whom? What do they have to gain – or lose by these discussions? So, as a long-winded answer, I know excellent studio quality demos (not convention recordings) like ‘Victory’ and Roger Taylor/Freddie Mercury ‘Fun In Space’ tracks are being exchanged, but, you really need to be part of the club to have any chance of getting these. Unfortunately, as I said above, because I am willing to talk about such things, I think that makes my admission null and void. I think I will request these tracks over in the request forum, and see what happens from there!

John S Stuart wrote: However, if someone was to be actually kind enough to reciprocate my past generosity, then I promise, I will upload these BBC master-tape sessions in return. I can not say fairer than that – can I?

John S Stuart wrote:

pootle1 wrote: Thanks for the little bit of information John. I agree with you. Virtually all my rarities have been exhausted over the last 8 years and I don't even get info anymore on what's out there! The people I used to trade with have all long gone, and I'm an outsider these days. Occasioanlly something good crops up and I then I feel dirty because some people on here would call me an elite trader for not sharing it...

Why not drop me a private mail? It is in my profile.

frank39 wrote: "Key people", "bottom-end collector" what a nice terminology, shows more than long posts. "They'll never share anything",... but I am sure they take it all here. Any lists of those 2 species here arround?

Bobby_brown wrote: They don´t share a thing, but they come here too for free downloads. I don´t care about them anymore. If they don´t want to share, it´s fine. We´ll survive, but i supose that in your case it´s more frustating, because you have shared freely some great stuff that you bought in the first place.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> It's not nearly that simple. When unusual things get shared here, do you think the cds just fell into someone's mailbox and onto the Internet, or that there was some kind of long process in order to obtain them? I don't see you in collecting circles trying to obtain rare things with intention of sharing them here, so who are you to talk?

<font size="1">Ðon Gerolamo</font> wrote: To go on about the fact that almost no new (lossless) recordings are shared on this forum is in my opinion due to the fact that a lot of people here are happy with a simple mp3 recording. As long as those low quality standards and the sh*tty mentality (mentioned above) doesn't change I don't think bloodsucking people (traders) will post ANYTHING here. So won't I and I think that these are some of the prime reasons for John not posting the BBC recordings for free here. And if this goes on, I feel sorry for you John, I don't think that someone will offer a rare recording so that these BBC recordings can be shared on here. .

Bobby_brown wrote: So, are you trying to say to me that every good collector already have the DVD Frank39 shared here for free with that quality?- I doubt it. And about Silver Salmon or Polar Bear?

They didn´t got that from colleting circles. Even big collectors don´t have everything you know? But what i see, is John S Stuart looking for "Face it alone" and other demos and he doesdn´t have many things left for a good trade.

How about the very high quality standards of traders as you call it?- John is ofering the lossless in return of the mp3 demos (assuming the lossless is in the hands of QueenProductions), and still no one accepted his offer. They don´t mind having the mp3 version like the rest of us. So much for the standards!!!

And by the way, when you say that you are a trader, making looking very important, let me just say that i don´t guive any importance at all to that title!

frank39 wrote: And Marknow, you can´t imagine, how happy I was, when I first saw your announe of Houston. Actually it was you, who first came up with this "long time hidden" Queen show. I was searching since years. Later I found it on Ebay. Only the 3 songs, cut out, that was somehow senseless, the 3 tracks were in the hub, just some days after the first announce, so why not offer the complete show directly? official or not, look at Ebay and Trancer, nobody cares.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote: So, are you trying to say to me that every good collector already have the DVD Frank39 shared here for free with that quality?- I doubt it. And about Silver Salmon or Polar Bear?

I had them four or five years ago. Houston was an exception. Because it got in the wrong hands, it was circulating amongst collectors only for about 6 months until some not-so-collectors got it and then finally shared it. Frank wasn't the first person to spread it to the public.

And by the way, when you say that you are a trader, making looking very important, let me just say that i don´t guive any importance at all to that title!

With this attitude, you aren't going to get anywhere. Don't you understand? When things get shared here, they're bottom of the barrel. They have no more collectible value! Ðon Gerolamo knows what he's talking about. He's 100% correct. I have many things I'd like to share, but I won't share them here, because they'll be converted to mp3 almost immediately by someone who just don't understand the difference between lossy and lossless. Queenzone's lack of quality standards have given Queen collectors a HORRIBLE reputation in the wider Queen world.

Bobby_brown wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote: So, are you trying to say to me that every good collector already have the DVD Frank39 shared here for free with that quality?- I doubt it. And about Silver Salmon or Polar Bear?

I had them four or five years ago. Houston was an exception. Because it got in the wrong hands, it was circulating amongst collectors only for about 6 months until some not-so-collectors got it and then finally shared it. Frank wasn't the first person to spread it to the public.

And by the way, when you say that you are a trader, making looking very important, let me just say that i don´t guive any importance at all to that title!

With this attitude, you aren't going to get anywhere. Don't you understand? When things get shared here, they're bottom of the barrel. They have no more collectible value! Ðon Gerolamo knows what he's talking about. He's 100% correct. I have many things I'd like to share, but I won't share them here, because they'll be converted to mp3 almost immediately by someone who just don't understand the difference between lossy and lossless. Queenzone's lack of quality standards have given Queen collectors a HORRIBLE reputation in the wider Queen world.

Let me just say that Houston 77 is in good hands now!!
You have talked about my attitude. what attitude??
Did i said something wrong, or was i desrespectfull?
I was answering to don Geralmo and your reply just suported what i said before.
You said that with my attitude i wasn´t going to get anywhere?- Where do you think i whant to go?
I´m not here to make pen frinds or to make friends among traders! I can speack freely what i think, without being desrespectull.
I´m shocked about how Horrible the Queen collectors reputation is among the wider Queen world. And all because of Queenzone!!! Get real, there are more important things to worry about!
You say that you don´t share some concerts because they would be transfered to mp3. So, what your problem? And what´s the other traders problems? They don´t come here to leech, they only trade, isn´t that right? NO, IT ISN'T, and that´s the big problem among traders.
After that you simply can´t tell if it was traded or downloaded, and then you´ve got to ask if this person is a reliable trader or not. Do i buy it or not?- you think to yourself.
And then there is only one way to erase the bad quality tapes from the market. You have to share the best version avaiable to stop the spread of the bad version. This way you won´t get fooled again!
You´ve said that 99.9% of things shared here are already among traders. Wrong!- how about the new Queen+Paul Rodgers tour, that was shared (some videos and audios) here from fans to the fans, simply because they wanted everybody to share that experience?
Let me just say this again:
I´ve nothing at all against traders, i just want to point out some bad atitudes that i´ve witnessed here among the years.
If you don´t want to share, or can´t share, you don´t have to! It´s your choise, and i understand.
But sometimes when someone asks for something at the request forum (and persons who shared freely everything), the only reply´s they get is something like "i have this but i only trade, drop me a mail...", but of course if you ask them, they never come to Queenzone for downloads.
This attitude is the one you should condemn, not mine! I´m just writing what i see, of course there are always exceptions, and you shouldn´t take my words so personally, because they weren´t directed to anyone in particular. Just trying to change some mentalities here, but if you think wisely, you´ll see that i´m not completely wr

You have talked about my attitude. what attitude?? Did i said something wrong, or was i desrespectfull?

I´m shocked about how Horrible the Queen collectors reputation is among the wider Queen world. And all because of Queenzone!!! Get real, there are more important things to worry about!

And what´s the other traders problems? They don´t come here to leech, they only trade, isn´t that right? NO, IT ISN'T, and that´s the big problem among traders.

After that you simply can´t tell if it was traded or downloaded, and then you´ve got to ask if this person is a reliable trader or not. Do i buy it or not?- you think to yourself.

And then there is only one way to erase the bad quality tapes from the market. You have to share the best version avaiable to stop the spread of the bad version. This way you won´t get fooled again!

You´ve said that 99.9% of things shared here are already among traders. Wrong!- how about the new Queen+Paul Rodgers tour, that was shared (some videos and audios) here from fans to the fans, simply because they wanted everybody to share that experience?

But sometimes when someone asks for something at the request forum (and persons who shared freely everything), the only reply

<font size="1">Ðon Gerolamo</font> wrote: [QUOTE Yes, you were disrespectful, though I don't need respect from an ignorant person like you..

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

You have talked about my attitude. what attitude?? Did i said something wrong, or was i desrespectfull?

By "attitude" I meant your personal position on the matter, not your interpersonal skills, which are just fine. Sorry for the confusion.
I wasn´t offended, but thanks for clarify!
SIR GH WROTE:
You obviously don't take this seriously, which of course is okay, as it's not one of life's requirements.
While I understand your frustration, complaining won't change a thing. For example, I just recently got a Munich 79 DVD in what is most likely the best audio/video quality we'll ever see for this show. This may have collectible value. So, I could share it here - OR - I could try trading, obtain one or two nice things in exchange, and then share the Munich DVD. And then in the future, I trade those two new things, and after they're done being traded, they can be shared here as well... and the cycle continues. If I originally shared the Munich DVD, then I wouldn't be able to accumulate the extra material, since nobody would trade a rarity for a "common" Munich 79 DVD, even though it's fantastic quality. If it's here, then it's common, and it has no collectible value.
This is how it works. It's the way collecting has been working for decades. The only difference now is that we can contact people by email and not through a magazine like Record Collector, and we have a better sense of what is rare and not rare because collectors' lists can easily circulate over the Internet. It's up to you if you want to accept reality or not. If you want rare things to get here faster, then contribute to the trading community (and in the end, the larger downloading community) by getting into collecting circles, contacting people, and finally accumulating some material. You won't get anywhere by sitting on your ass, waiting for everything to be handed to you on a silver platter.
MY REPLY:
Ok, ´since you took the time to reply, i´m gonna reply the best way i can to clarify things too:
First of all, i´m a collector, and by this i mean i spend my money on rare "oficial" stuff, simply because it´s time consuming and there´s no money for everything.
I really don´t feel the need to have every Queen concert taped from the audience, because i simply don´t listen to them. I like to have them but only for historical reasons. I made a decision some time ago, to never buy another bootleg again.
On the other way, i like to buy rare vinyl and other stufff, because that will increase the value of my collection. And it really has more value to me.
Having say this, you´ve already noticed that i´m not the one who´s making the requests i´ve talked about and received the mail adress for a trade.
I really don´t care if a new concert is shared or not! If it is, then fine i will download it, if it´s not, that´s fine too!
But really, sometimes people don´t ask for much, and the least they could expext from the thousands of people who downloaded is to have something in return, just an apreciation act! I know i sound naíve but that´s the way it is.
I totaly understand that you will try to trade the Munich 79 first, and i´ve never said you shoul do otherwise. I know there are rules, and if i was a trader i would do the same, believe me!
But i can´t write all the possible cases, and i´m from Portugal, so i´m trying to express the best i can for a foreigner language.
Let me guive you an example, so you can understand:
Imagine that i´m a trader, and for many years i would come here to Queenzone for downloads. Of course, being such a good trader i wouldn´t find many things of interest to me. But, two or three times, i´ve found an old Queen interview in Finland or Spain in go

frank39 wrote: I am not fishing for compliments, it was only quite interesting for me to see, who did, and who did not. Thats all. Thanks Serry, and Barbara: I´d like to say here, that she is the only person here on QZ, who ever send me a Queen show, allthough I didn´t ask for it! Maybe 5 years ago, I recieved Paris 79 from her,what a surprise, can you imagine my joy? Hope, you don´t bother me for saying this here -:) And now look at some of these selfish posts here, and much more on other threads? Can you imagine that from the KEY People (what a horrible word)? All the joy is going down, the more I visit this forum.

<font color=green><b>Mr Mercury</b> wrote: Finally, and this is just a suggestion, why doesnt QZ have a trial run of banning MP3 and possibly poor quality video just to see how things go if that is what traders have a bug bear with here? Its just possible then that John might get his original request done in the manner he spoke of.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Thanks for the reply. But you still seem to think that trading is limited to requesting and downloading things publically. It goes much, much deeper than that.

YourValentine wrote: Before we begin a discussion about what else Richard should do to solve the issues on the forums - he is out of the country and still travelling for a while. I am sure when he comes back we can sit down and discuss how the forums can be improved. I see a tendency of adding forum to forum to please everyone and there will still be people being dissatisfied. As much as traders dislike mp3, they are not hell-made - many people still prefer mp3 because they listen to their bootlegs on mp3 players anyway. Martin is right - not too many traders do share anything here, so they should not decide on the rules. Maybe it's possible to have a forum for the mp3 and VCD uploaders and one for flac and DVD. I would like to upload some material in VCD format (simply because it's the only format I have of these videos) but I am tired of being attacked by the purists (who rarely upload anything themselves). I think I am not the only one who feels that way. A more tolerant and a kinder attitude would be so helpful.