| S@turn 25.07.2006 10:00 |
Isnt it nice that you can reach so many artists nowadays, with emails and other stuff? Isn't that fantastic, to get direct in touch with your idol, and ain't it a thrill to get a response? Read this and look how wonderful mister PR is treating his fans link It is tricky hum, how you can get a true response from your idols. Of course it is an illusion to think that stars can respond personal to all the fanmail they get and the way it is treated by the stars is different. Brian has his soapbox, with the filtering before... How sure can we be that he realy responds when he reacts? Is it him himself, or does he has a wonderful ghost writer that helps him with it? How much does your idol realy cares for his fans? It should be intresting to read an answer on this question. An answer from Paul Rodgers is not needed. The thread as mentioned above shows how arrogant he is with his fans. He is not intrested in his fans at all, and he doesnt even take a little effort to make the replies (not his, but from his anwerring machine) serious. It is about the same as he is in the stuff that he did with Queen, I mean Brian and Roger. He is not intrested at all in the queen stuff (I bet he forgot the songs now fully, the 20 per cent he knew at the tour, that is), just in a free promotion for himself. With this behavior, this arrogance to the people, the fans, that take time to try to reach him, he also made a bad move to the integrity of Queen. Isnt it so that (esp. Brian) gives so high up of Paul Rodgers? If he does, then he agrees with his attitude, the arrogance of PR during the tour and with how he treats his fans? I am sure that a lot of PR fans are hurted by this unprofessional attitude. And as long as Queen (brian) is supporting him so high, how sure can we be that they (queen-brian) is integer in how he treats his fans as well? Perhaps is it time for good mr Brian May to bring some rest in the queen circle, with a clear statement in this How are you so sure that you realy get a personal response? There's only one who can clear that up, I think |
| beautifulsoup 25.07.2006 10:30 |
Maybe it's just me...but I don't think that fans are ever "owed" any kind of response. And when people start posting "here's what I said" and "here's what he said back" in public forums, then it becomes something about the poster, and about his/her needing validation. But, as I said, maybe it's just me. |
| TRS-Romania 25.07.2006 14:57 |
Too many beers on a hot summernight???) If I as a fan feel like writing to the PERSON Brian May (or any other idol), and the guy/woman does not feel like responding to me (or to my questions) or to others, than I should not doubt directly if Brian (or my idol) does not care for its fans. Hans really, your comments make no sense at all, and I rather advice you to just **** ** complaining or assuming about not getting 1) a response 2) a personal response when writing to Brian Of course your response will be that you were "generalizing" regarding this topic, but it is very clear that you are tempting to doubt the way Brian is or is not responding.... Your comment/question ".... How sure can we be that he realy responds when he reacts? Is it him himself, or does he has a wonderful ghost writer that helps him with it? How much does your idol realy cares for his fans? ...." is just plain stupid! In case we DO get something in response, just be happy ... BUT as brightly outlined by you, Brian (or Jen) will decide themselves to respond IF they feel like (and they have done so on many occasions). They have been so kind to have this site online anyway! He is not obligated to reply , nor does it imply that he has less or no appriciation towards his fans. So please stop your insane ramblings about what you think we should be owed when writing to him (or other idols we might have) or make ASSUMPTIONS towards what he should do are if you are doubting the fact that Brian cares for his fans.... The guy gives us music. And if we recieve answers from him (or from his representatives) when writing an email, just keep the smile on your face, but do not doubt Brian as he does not care for his fans in case he does not respond (or respond personally) to our letters/emails! Stefan PS Hans, you can better post your comments on link , they probably be ALL be willing to send you a response at any time at any question |
| wstüssyb 25.07.2006 16:23 |
If I was a porn star, I would personally answer every email or question any adoring female fans would have. |
| S@turn 25.07.2006 17:49 |
Now after some scribblings who tell me what to do and what not I think that I once repeat my question, does brian has a ghost writer or not? If you have no idea, just say so and keep discussions about persons to the places where they belong |
| beautifulsoup 25.07.2006 18:32 |
This is like any other thread on this board - subject to other ponderings on the topic, and subject to tangents. Hey - at least it didn't turn into yet another Brian May is HAWT thread. (Yet). I do not know the answer to your question. There. |
| S@turn 26.07.2006 04:39 |
beautifulsoup wrote: This is like any other thread on this board - subject to other ponderings on the topic, and subject to tangents. Hey - at least it didn't turn into yet another Brian May is HAWT thread. (Yet). I do not know the answer to your question. There.Right! and that's the point. I do not attack anyone, anyway, other then that I think that Paul Rodgers is taking his fans not serious. And I dont expect an answer from any of the queenzoners in yes, it's true, brian answers his emails himself -or not-. Not many of the readers shall know the truth in that. I think it is fair to the fans, from ANY artist or star, that they know who is realy behind the messages. So far I have no doubt in Brians' answers, but reading the behavior of people so close to him as PR, it scares me and I wonder how it works. And as long as I keep on wondering, I shall try to find the answer, for all of your benefits. But I do understand that some of you want to show in public that you are loyal to your stars and that you are 'shocked' when someone opens up discussions like this. Let your personal opinion about the author and good -psychological- advises in the personal section, and let's try here to look behind the scene of fanmail |
| bigV 26.07.2006 06:31 |
I met Paul Rodgers in Budapest and he was extremely gracious with the fans, even though he realized perfectly well that most (if not all) of us were Queen fans. He didn't go back to the hotel until he had given an autograph to everyone who asked. Cheers, V. |
| S@turn 26.07.2006 07:31 |
I heard such stories yes and that is okay of course (good PR for himself) It still leaves the answer open about why he pretends to answer fanmail himself and appearantly isnt |
| beautifulsoup 26.07.2006 09:56 |
Deleted. Would not have contributed to the discussion at hand. ;) |
| gnomo 26.07.2006 11:26 |
S@turn wrote: my question, does brian has a ghost writer or not?No. No "ghost writer" for him. Jen, the lady who is the administrator of his website, checks all the e-mail that is sent to his "public" addresses, and usually replies wherever she can, signing with her own name. She does forward to Brian any relevant message, to which he will reply personally if and when he feels like; the answer will be signed by him, but will be forwarded through Jen anyway. HTH |
| Fireplace 26.07.2006 12:17 |
As far as Brian's Soapbox goes, you may rest assured it's Brian himself writing there. His personal style is easily distinguished, and his rants are inimitable. |
| Oberon 26.07.2006 13:49 |
S@turn wrote: I heard such stories yes and that is okay of course (good PR for himself) It still leaves the answer open about why he pretends to answer fanmail himself and appearantly isntI doubt he needs to do this in order increase his PR. I doubt that is why he does it. It might be better to take the approach Brian does in not automatically replying in a seemingly personal matter, and only replying in specific cases, but Paul's approach does not, to me, mean he doesn't care at all, just that he (or his employees) thought that an automatic response was a good thing. I agree with those who have said that he really doesn't owe anyone anything |
| TRS-Romania 26.07.2006 17:27 |
S@turn wrote: I heard such stories yes and that is okay of course (good PR for himself) It still leaves the answer open about why he pretends to answer fanmail himself and appearantly isntHans, who cares?? really, you avoided my post in the beginning probably because you assumed that you were wrong anyway ....... ?! Take care! And improve your ENGLISH a bit after all these years (being Dutch myself, I should be able to say this to you .... Just take it as some sort of positive advice :) |
| Mr. Scully 27.07.2006 04:13 |
Hans - when I met Paul, he was extremely kind and I enjoyed talking to him. More than to Brian or Roger. Roger looked like "security, get rid of these fans" while Brian was very polite but in the same time you could see that he wasn't much interested in any taling, he was signing stuff and in the same time thinking about his dinner or something. (I don't blame him at all, he must have got tired by all the requests for autographs). But in the same time I sort of agree with you. The "stars" don't owe us anything - but if they establish an email address and invite fans to write to them, then it's obvious that we're disappointed if intelligent questions remain unanswered (laziness!) or if they use some automatic reply (mega-laziness!). Difficult to judge if I'd rather receive an automatic reply from Paul or no reply at all from Brian. |
| S@turn 27.07.2006 05:51 |
-.-stretches for a new day-- Intresting how this topic here is developing, I must honestly thank the people who give a positive contribution. And if anyone has problems with my english, I appologize. I am convinced that who wants to understand the points is able to reply constructive as well. If I skip the personal frustrations (please do that in another topic, keep it clean here), then there is a bit to say. Gnomo and Fireplace, I am familiar with the way that Brian gets his emails, but that still is not convincing me that it is Brian who answers all his emails himself. Professional ghostwriters are hired to respond in the style of the artist and there are very good ones in it. Personally I do think that Brian replies himself, and I think it is a little effort for him to say that it is true. Jen is doing a good job in her filtering of messages, I love her and I love her style of working, she knows that as well. And Oberon, I understand what you say, that it is not important (for you and some others) if the responses are 'true' or not. Most fans don't mind, and I think that most fans even dont WANT TO KNOW that the response that they get is from another then from their idols. That is normal and when you know a bit how the showbis world works you know that it is as well very normal that the stars do not response personally, they have better things to do :) But why do they reply then, anyway? I think that it still is to get a bit free publicity, else it should realy be a waste of time TRS, as mentioned above I try to keep this thread pure. You ask who cares, and I know that many do care. There are sure MORE who do NOT care about it, and they are free to read this or shrug and go on with other useful work, or attack people in the personal section, if they feel like. I think that I answerred your basic question, who cares, with .. many do care, I know it. Not many do stand up and speak in topics. But it still can be intrtesting right, there is a difference in style between how stars reply to fans, but the basic is the same, it ia an attitude that all in the show bis have, fanmail goes through secretaries or whatever and it depends on the person (star) himself (herself) if they are so nice to now and then reply themself. And MrScully, you hit the nail I guess, what's worth more, an unpersonal message from one, or no answer (what gives the chance that others get one) from another. The thing is that I expect a bit of integrity, honesty, of the people. When you open up a door and let the fans in then the fans can expect somethiing in return, I guess Well, I used too much words, and apperantly dont speak english. You used less words, probably more clear :) |
| Oberon 27.07.2006 17:20 |
S@turn wrote: And Oberon, I understand what you say, that it is not important (for you and some others) if the responses are 'true' or not. Most fans don't mind, and I think that most fans even dont WANT TO KNOW that the response that they get is from another then from their idols. That is normal and when you know a bit how the showbis world works you know that it is as well very normal that the stars do not response personally, they have better things to do :) But why do they reply then, anyway? I think that it still is to get a bit free publicity, else it should realy be a waste of timeOf course it's possible, but generally, no-one's gonna know, are they? It's only when us lot get together on a forum like this that it comes out, and really, will it go much further? I doubt it, so for me, the publicity reason doesn't stick. In fact if the automatic reply was widely reported, it'd be negative publicity for the very reasons you state. I believe that PR and/or his employees just think it is nicer for fans to have "some kind of response". It would be interesting to know if anyone received some more personal response from PR. If no one has, then that's a different matter, because as you say, why give the chance to send an email to PR if he's NEVER going to reply personally. But, unless someone confirms in the positive, we will never know, unless we ask everyone in the world if they've ever emailed PR and got a personal reply from him. Not likely to be able to answer the question then, really, are we? Given that, I like to give PR the benefit of the doubt and believe that it's not all about the publicity. |
| wstüssyb 27.07.2006 18:16 |
I think you type fine English Hans, you'll have to buy me a beer when I go to Germany, just so I can make sure your english is also spoken fine. |
| S@turn 28.07.2006 02:13 |
heh william, your beer is cold, and if you wait a bit I drink it myself :) And Oberon, I think that it DOES matter many more fans then that dare to speak up here. As is saide elsewhere, this matters of 'fan mail reply' are tabboo, people dont want to speak about it The artists because they dont want to loose their good image the fans to not loose their illusions I can understand how you think that PR is not in an evil 'will' and I think, personally, it is very easy for him to say so and to solve this rumour. The longer there is no reaction (and dont think his spies did not send him this thread), the more reason there is to doubt Boys (not only PR, but as well BM and so on), it is so easy to make a one or twoliner to tell how it is real, and getting the truth to us, the fans, who write and have the right to know! |
| Isis 28.07.2006 04:42 |
Hey everyone how are we all? Just thought I might add my piece to this topic if I may. I think the issue now is that we need to get some sort of reassurance from Brian if he is willing to address this matter. I think many of us would like to know now (after the Paul discovery)that if we have emailed in to him and it has made it through the natural level of screening (that should take place for security reasons) - that the "Brian" or "Bri" emailing us back is really Brian May - I am sure he will just laugh about it and just confirm it for us on BM soap box if he knew about this matter. The matter with Paul does raise many questions and I hope his official site addresses this matter and may reconsider their addy for Paul's Letters section on his site. It is a little misleading. (maybe changing the clone letter to the fans to different versions may also help) I think the Queen fans are use to Brian May.com letter set up. Isis PS thanks Saturn for looking into this for the fans that got a clone letter from the official PR site. |
| S@turn 28.07.2006 10:14 |
thanks Isis for your post, and for making the points clear again It is such a little effort to clear the things up It is such a little effort, even for PR, to say, okay, this is the way I do it, and then thereby change the website a bit so that no one has the false illusion that he is replying to all personally No one expects that from him No one expects that from Brian as well But Brian seems to do so And PR made the discussion himself, with this violation of his fans, the trust that they have in him is gone Again, for a part of the fans, most dont want to know of course Just say it, gentlemen! You owe it to the fans! |
| Oberon 31.07.2006 08:23 |
S@turn wrote: The longer there is no reaction (and dont think his spies did not send him this thread), the more reason there is to doubtI think you're making much too much out of this, and you are introducing bias and encouraging a negative opinion in using the word "spies". Give the guy a break. Does it really matter that much? |
| Togg 02.08.2006 07:51 |
Sorry but this is total nievity to think that these people have the time or the inclination to respond in person every time. Even in a company you don't have time to respond in person every time someone writes to you, so you have standard letters, and assitants helping you. Brian has Jen, and no doubt on occasion she responds on his behalf, Paul obviously received hundreds of positive letters about his venture with Queen and where appropriate he responded with a standard thank you. Get real if you think it's them every time, sure sometimes it is when they a) have time b) think it's worth a personal response, and c) when they are truly interested in the subject, but to think stars are going to respond to 'fanmail' about how great it was to see them is silly and naive. |
| gnomo 06.08.2006 05:45 |
Togg wrote: Brian has Jen, and no doubt on occasion she responds on his behalf...when she responds on his behalf, she signs with her own name: if it's signed by him, it's from him, and sometimes you even get "he told me to tell you" from her... |
| Isis 06.08.2006 06:43 |
Yes gnomo that is true - just the Paul discovery we just wanted a 'hey it is me don't worry guys it is me' that was all. We understand everything everyone else is saying about this matter - but for those that got caught up in this we just got a shock. We agree realistically there is no way they would have the time to talk to us one on one - our point was why bother setting it up on the Paul site like that if it was not Paul talking back to us - like one of the posters in the Paul Rodgers forum on that post mentioned they would rather get no response than a auto genned response or one from the webmaster of the site. It is possible that some of these emails were indeed presented to Paul for his viewing we will never know - but it is just a jolt to the system when you realise it is not as it was made out to be. I am sure you can understand that. Nothing wrong with what they are doing just maybe alter the response letters a little or don't sign it off from Paul if it is not from him that was all. (BTW VH1 Rock Honors awards is on right now on VH1 on Austar or Foxtel on OZ television in case you Aussies in here missed the news and they also were on VH1 'top 200 rock songs of all time' coming in at number 9 ((Live killers) Live At Wembley) WWRY) Isis |
| S@turn 08.08.2006 06:59 |
thanks for the many direct and indirect messages of support in this topic (and on other places). I can understand many that they dont want to speak out their opinion in public in this, that is okay for me I will send out some messages to some, to see if we can get the confirmation of the integritiy of the replies to emails by 'the stars', the artists We have the right to know If they keep on hiding then it makes it more likely that the replies to the fans are not always reliable Like it or not, I do hope the truth will come out soon and I keep you all informed here |