QueenZone discussion #834195

Al TurHao wrote: YES, Roger's drumming is much better in the 70's. Damn those 80's! How many times do I have to tell you that much of the songs you name from the 80's don't have REAL DRUMS IN IT???!?!? AS for Roger, in the studio... yes, his drumming tend to get a bit weaker, but he ALWAYS played with inteligence. This you gotta give it to him! AS for the 90's, what's that rubbish stating that Innuendo (the song) has weak drum work??? You obviously don't know shit about drumming! It includes one of the difficult drum fills of all Queen's career! Oh, and many bar changes!

mike hunt wrote: people on these boards usually kill eighties queen, pointing out freddie lack of piano work or songwriting, also brians weaker guitar tracks like tear it up. I personally like the majority of their eighties stuff, but it could have been much better. The one reason why queens sound in the eighties sounded weak more than anything had to do with rogers drum sound, and lack of speed and power that he had in the 70's. In 1991 queen put out their best since the great 70's despite roger talyors weak drum work. Just think how much better Innuendo could have been with a better drummer. again, I think roger was great in the 70's, but he was pretty weak in the 80's and early 90's. Anyone agree?

Bob-Plant wrote: Two points I'd like to throw out here for consideration; 1) As far as Innuendo being an example of a weak drumming track; Roger did indeed write it and he has stated that it was a conscious attempt to do a "Led Zeppelin type song". Perhaps he was trying to emulate John Bonham's style of drumming? It certainly sounds unlike anything else Roger had done in the past. 2) While I don't neccessarily agree with this line of thinking, many people think that when Queen started using Mack, he recorded things very differently than RT Baker. Perhaps he didn't emphasize drumming or encourage experimental efforts? I think Roger had some very good drum tracks in the 80's-as stated above, a great example would be "Back to Humans" and the little bit in the middle of "One Vision" is pretty good too.

Bob-Plant wrote: Two points I'd like to throw out here for consideration; 1) As far as Innuendo being an example of a weak drumming track; Roger did indeed write it and he has stated that it was a conscious attempt to do a "Led Zeppelin type song". Perhaps he was trying to emulate John Bonham's style of drumming? It certainly sounds unlike anything else Roger had done in the past. 2) While I don't neccessarily agree with this line of thinking, many people think that when Queen started using Mack, he recorded things very differently than RT Baker. Perhaps he didn't emphasize drumming or encourage experimental efforts? I think Roger had some very good drum tracks in the 80's-as stated above, a great example would be "Back to Humans" and the little bit in the middle of "One Vision" is pretty good too.

Digitube wrote: And indeed, Mack recorded the drums very different than RT Baker. RT usually mikes the drums with 12 mics or even more, and Mack used only four mics. Queen was very enthousiastic about Mack's recording. Freddie once said that Mack would get a better drumsound just using 4 mics than other engineer's using 12 mics.

<2>marcio17@queenzone.com wrote: Maybe Mr. Hunt could listen to Princes of the Universe, Dragon Attack, One Visión, I want it All, Was is all Worthy,Hammer To fall, Under Pressure; maybe Roger wasn´t so "lazy".I think there´s also omething of Roger´s work in the delicate numbers in Queen´s 80 stuff. People often think that playing drums or guitar faster or "noisy"...is better that a soft or intricate style...that´s why there many stupid players more known than Brian, John or Roger...then you lack, melody and harmony in your songs....Cheers

Digitube wrote:

mike hunt wrote: people on these boards usually kill eighties queen, pointing out freddie lack of piano work or songwriting, also brians weaker guitar tracks like tear it up. I personally like the majority of their eighties stuff, but it could have been much better. The one reason why queens sound in the eighties sounded weak more than anything had to do with rogers drum sound, and lack of speed and power that he had in the 70's. In 1991 queen put out their best since the great 70's despite roger talyors weak drum work. Just think how much better Innuendo could have been with a better drummer. again, I think roger was great in the 70's, but he was pretty weak in the 80's and early 90's. Anyone agree?

BULLSHIT MR. HUNT! First of all, the "weaker" drumming had to do with style changes. Does a drummer always has to be quicker than lightning to be considered any good? NO of course, sheer rubbish! And about Innuendo: I think that's the best Queen song ever, even better than Bo Rap or MOTBQ, and the drumming is not that easy on that one. Just try it yourself? You'll find out. Also I'd like to remember you that the person that actually WROTE Innuendo IS: Mr. Roger Meddows-Taylor. When songs are poppy and have a straightforward 4/4 beat, there's no use for any fast/fancy drumming. It will ruin the track then. Only drummers with an overblown ego will put fancy drumming in the track then. When a track should be danceble (and hey, were talking 80's!) the drumtrack should be kept simple. Amen. And on the 80's drumsound: what about Under Pressure during the high note? What about Machines? Man on the prowl? Princes of the universe? Kashoggi's ship? Was it all worth it? And the B-side Stealin'? Ride the wild wind? Music changes, and so does the drumming together with it. The one fab thing about Queen, is that they refused to do the same stuff over and over again. They invented new sounds on every album. The diversity of tracks is immense. It's only that the 70's work of Queen was suitable for fast and fancy drumming. The 80's work wasn't. Has nothing to do with Roger's skills, but just with the changing musical style. Oh and for God's sake....stop this picking on Roger. I've seen it in different topics, and it really pisses me off...but I think that was obvient already.

All I Hear Is Radio Gaga wrote:

Digitube wrote:

mike hunt wrote: people on these boards usually kill eighties queen, pointing out freddie lack of piano work or songwriting, also brians weaker guitar tracks like tear it up. I personally like the majority of their eighties stuff, but it could have been much better. The one reason why queens sound in the eighties sounded weak more than anything had to do with rogers drum sound, and lack of speed and power that he had in the 70's. In 1991 queen put out their best since the great 70's despite roger talyors weak drum work. Just think how much better Innuendo could have been with a better drummer. again, I think roger was great in the 70's, but he was pretty weak in the 80's and early 90's. Anyone agree?

BULLSHIT MR. HUNT! First of all, the "weaker" drumming had to do with style changes. Does a drummer always has to be quicker than lightning to be considered any good? NO of course, sheer rubbish! And about Innuendo: I think that's the best Queen song ever, even better than Bo Rap or MOTBQ, and the drumming is not that easy on that one. Just try it yourself? You'll find out. Also I'd like to remember you that the person that actually WROTE Innuendo IS: Mr. Roger Meddows-Taylor. When songs are poppy and have a straightforward 4/4 beat, there's no use for any fast/fancy drumming. It will ruin the track then. Only drummers with an overblown ego will put fancy drumming in the track then. When a track should be danceble (and hey, were talking 80's!) the drumtrack should be kept simple. Amen. And on the 80's drumsound: what about Under Pressure during the high note? What about Machines? Man on the prowl? Princes of the universe? Kashoggi's ship? Was it all worth it? And the B-side Stealin'? Ride the wild wind? Music changes, and so does the drumming together with it. The one fab thing about Queen, is that they refused to do the same stuff over and over again. They invented new sounds on every album. The diversity of tracks is immense. It's only that the 70's work of Queen was suitable for fast and fancy drumming. The 80's work wasn't. Has nothing to do with Roger's skills, but just with the changing musical style. Oh and for God's sake....stop this picking on Roger. I've seen it in different topics, and it really pisses me off...but I think that was obvient already.

Cheers mate!

another one diets the bust wrote: I always disliked, that Queen decided to share all credits from TheMiracle onwards. If they hadn't we wouldn't need to argue, who wrote which song...

<font color="FF0033">MoreOfThatJazz wrote: OH MY GOODNESS! People! GOSH! ROGER WROTE INNUENDO, FOR SHIT'S SAKE! Stop freaking picking on the poor lad! His drumming work was excellent, through every second that Queen was considered to be a band! Leave it be! I'd like to see you try to copy the drumming as heard on Innuendo, or Headlong, or Hammer to fall, or Dragon attack, or even Radio gaga! YES, he is NOT like John Bonham, and he isn't the GREATEST in the world! But, can you just shut the F%$# up about the whole thing? He is one of the greatest, in my opinion. Stop this bullshit! He is a GREAT drummer...His change of drumming styles, did nothing but bring Queen success...I rest my case.

<font color="Black"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: innuendo is probably one of the songs with weak drumming. it's either roger's fault or the way they recorded it. -edit- roger's still the man.

<font color=red>Quonkers wrote:

<font color="Black"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: innuendo is probably one of the songs with weak drumming. it's either roger's fault or the way they recorded it. -edit- roger's still the man.

My arse! Innuendo is probably the song with the strongest drumming, in my opinion. You're right on your last point though, Roger is the man! You know, watching the ANATO DVD and Roger doing his demonstrations, it only gives me cause to mention once again how underrated he is. Brian's right when he says that Roger is one of the world's greatest drummers.

<font color=red>Quonkers wrote:

<font color="Black"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: innuendo is probably one of the songs with weak drumming. it's either roger's fault or the way they recorded it. -edit- roger's still the man.

My arse! Innuendo is probably the song with the strongest drumming, in my opinion. You're right on your last point though, Roger is the man! You know, watching the ANATO DVD and Roger doing his demonstrations, it only gives me cause to mention once again how underrated he is. Brian's right when he says that Roger is one of the world's greatest drummers.

Togg wrote: I have to say that reading this topic as a drummer makes me feel pretty certian that the topic starter knows little or nothing about drumming. Just because it was more stripped back in the later years is no refection on his ability, in fact it is the opposite, it is harder to play 'for the song' and not do a 'look at me i'm a great drummer' it is a reflection on the fact that Roger is a musicain and not a head banger. Weak drumming, get real,

<font color="Black"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote:

<font color=red>Quonkers wrote:

<font color="Black"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: innuendo is probably one of the songs with weak drumming. it's either roger's fault or the way they recorded it. -edit- roger's still the man.

My arse! Innuendo is probably the song with the strongest drumming, in my opinion. You're right on your last point though, Roger is the man! You know, watching the ANATO DVD and Roger doing his demonstrations, it only gives me cause to mention once again how underrated he is. Brian's right when he says that Roger is one of the world's greatest drummers.

i stand corrected. i just found out that they recorded innuendo on a huge stage, that's why it probably sounds a wee bit softer than usual. :)

RIGHT ON! QUONKERS!

<font color=red>Quonkers wrote: He absolutely is a genius. My friend is a drummer and we're always debating whether or not Roger is one of the world's greats. I say yes, he says, "Roger Taylor is not that good a drummer." Bollocks to that! Excuse my language.

<font color="FF0033">MoreOfThatJazz wrote:

<font color="FF0033">MoreOfThatJazz wrote: OH MY GOODNESS! People! GOSH! ROGER WROTE INNUENDO, FOR SHIT'S SAKE! Stop freaking picking on the poor lad! His drumming work was excellent, through every second that Queen was considered to be a band! Leave it be! I'd like to see you try to copy the drumming as heard on Innuendo, or Headlong, or Hammer to fall, or Dragon attack, or even Radio gaga! YES, he is NOT like John Bonham, and he isn't the GREATEST in the world! But, can you just shut the F%$# up about the whole thing? He is one of the greatest, in my opinion. Stop this bullshit! He is a GREAT drummer...His change of drumming styles, did nothing but bring Queen success...I rest my case.

Adding to what I just said...Roger's drumming is too underted. How the hell can you call yourself a HUGE Queen fan, and say that you don't like the drummer? This is just RUBBISH!!!!!!!! Horrible. I have nothing left to say, except for the fact that, if you want to drum, really badly...Insulting Roger, won't make you any better. So just leave it at that.