liam 16.07.2006 09:00 |
I just bought Queen Live, and after reading it I found thta Freddie was much better on stage before the crazy tour. When the crazy tour started he began swearing, snapping at the audience, being arrogant and saying things like John and Roger are off to get their blowjobs - much to their distaste. Pre crazy tour freddie was very polite, freindly and almost shy when he talked to the audience. Freddie began using cocaine around the time of the crazy tour and his change in personality could be attributed to this. I am probobly gonna get slammed for this but its what i think anyway. |
thomasquinn 32989 16.07.2006 09:03 |
That book is the most inaccurate piece of crap ever released on Queen...and that includes Rick Skye's 'biography' of Freddie Mercury! If there's ONE paragraph without errors, it's a legitimate miracle. |
Serry... 16.07.2006 09:04 |
So he was "polite, freindly and almost shy" before second half 1979, yeah? OMG... Read QueenConcerts and QueenBootlegs please! |
thomasquinn 32989 16.07.2006 09:05 |
...And the coke has nothing to do with any change. It doesn't effect the psyche, unless consumed in quantities that result in situations like Bowie: dementia, which Freddie was clearly not suffering from. More likely, it's to do with the effect of fame on a person. And fame came big-time around 1980. |
liam 16.07.2006 09:05 |
well not crazy tour before 1978, before jazz came out. |
liam 16.07.2006 09:06 |
cocaine makes people more agressive and edgy, its a stimulant so of coarse it effects you, why would people use it. |
Bambi 16.07.2006 09:07 |
Freddie had great stage persona, I seen them perform in 1977, and 1982 they were great and Freddie was very good with the fans he likes to kid around alot, and has fun,thats Freddie, if he did do drugs before he went on stage, I dont know or ever heard he did, but I dont think he would of jepordized his performance under the influence per say, or the bands. Freddie got high on the adreniline and excitement of performing, that's just my 2 cents worth, but ya never know maybe he was high, all spec. |
saltnvinegar 16.07.2006 09:07 |
I think it all depends on how you define "better". Polite and quiet doesn't always mean a better showman or more entertaining personality. I agree that his persona became more brash and showy but I think that probably went along with an increase in fame and therefore confidence. I have seen the earlier footage and I enjoy the musical performances but he seemed a little unsure of himself back then, just introduced the tracks like a kind of MC. I much prefer the 'cheekier' Freddie of the late 70's/80's! |
liam 16.07.2006 09:07 |
just look at earls court 77, he is very polite and seems very shy so stop bein arseholes and just think bout it. |
liam 16.07.2006 09:08 |
yeh thats exactly what i mean thankyou, and its just my opinion that its better. |
thomasquinn 32989 16.07.2006 09:08 |
liam wrote: cocaine makes people more agressive and edgy, its a stimulant so of coarse it effects you, why would people use it.Yes, but Freddie wasn't always 'under the influence'. Especially not during concerts, as it also affects the voice for the worse. And those effects wear off after the drug does, remember? |
Serry... 16.07.2006 09:10 |
Freddie always was arrogant on the stage. Freddie called the audience as "you load of tarts" on Earls' shows... If Freddie would be shy on the stage - his name was John Deacon then. |
saltnvinegar 16.07.2006 09:12 |
doeeyes wrote: Freddie had great stage persona, I seen them perform in 1977, and 1982 they were great .Wow, how lucky! where did you see them perform? |
deleted user 16.07.2006 11:44 |
Freddie was NEVER under the influence of drugs during concerts |
Carol! the Musical 16.07.2006 11:59 |
I found the things he said to be really funny... And like the_hero said, he respected the audience. He only cursed if he knew the audience would be alright with it. |
The Real Wizard 16.07.2006 21:38 |
<font color=yellow/> bismillah!!! wrote: Freddie was NEVER under the influence of drugs during concertsDo you have proof, or do you just want to believe that? I'm pretty convinced that Freddie was high on something in New York on July 28th, 1982. He couldn't put a single sentence together without swearing. By then he was swearing a lot in concerts because he knew Queen were becoming uncool in the US, so perhaps it was an attempt to appear "cooler". |
RETROLOVE 16.07.2006 22:25 |
the_hero wrote: this is all stupid.. it's all personal taste.. did I like Freddie with the sarcastic swearing or without. It all depends on the audience reaction, British people are more ok with the cursing on stage than for example Japan. You'll never hear a Japanese concert where a Queen member swears. They just respected the audience. As for the Great Brittain (English) shows Freddie swears a lot and the audience doesn't give a damn and even goes along with it (for example Wembley 86 after the day-O thing Freddie says "fuck you" and the crowd cheers) Many artist were like that, for example David Coverdale and Ozzy Osbourne.LOL that was funny when Freddie told the audience fuck you...and it was funny when he went over to get a drink during the "rockabilly" part of the wembley concert, and Roger was like "Ahhhhhhhh" and Freddie was like, I dont care, I need my fucking water!!! Hilarious!!!! |
DreaminQueen 16.07.2006 22:44 |
I could sit here and speculate till the cows come home about what it was that made Freddie come out of his shell more with the audience. Doesnt matter to me really. The more shy Freddie or the more camp freddie that says "fuck you" to me on my DVD player, i love him either way. I know its not meant in any malicious way... Nothing but good fun my dears! Makes me laugh everytime... Ever some of the blunders?? Like "Bri's got a big c**K" from some bootleg... not sure of it but i j/ heard the clip online with a few other stage mistakes, but it was funny. Probably embarassing to our dear Bri, but not meant with any malice... |
eenaweena 17.07.2006 05:11 |
DreaminQueen wrote: Doesnt matter to me really. The more shy Freddie or the more camp freddie that says "fuck you" to me on my DVD player, i love him either way.^hear hear! actually, i've never really seen freddie perform live. the closest thing i've got is live at wembley. well, he cusses there, right? |
bonnzzo 17.07.2006 09:23 |
The thing about this is "IF" there is a noticable difference with Freddie during that period,(I have never looked for any personaly)you can't say that those books were all rubbush. Ok, maybe it wasn't cocane, but like I said "IF" there is a difference, then something changed him and for that part those books were right, they may have blown stuff out of perportion but they were right. |
The Fairy King 17.07.2006 09:30 |
Serry... wrote: Freddie always was arrogant on the stage. Freddie called the audience as "you load of tarts" on Earls' shows... If Freddie would be shy on the stage - his name was John Deacon then.I thought he said "you loaded tarts" |
DreaminQueen 17.07.2006 14:21 |
innadizon wrote:I've never seen him perform live PERSONALLY, unless you count watching DVDs in my living room hehe ;-DDreaminQueen wrote: Doesnt matter to me really. The more shy Freddie or the more camp freddie that says "fuck you" to me on my DVD player, i love him either way.^hear hear! actually, i've never really seen freddie perform live. the closest thing i've got is live at wembley. well, he cusses there, right? Yes, he swears on WEMBLEY.... And on the LIVE MAGIC CD (the choppy one) too... |
Bambi 17.07.2006 22:43 |
saltnvineger, yes i was lucky, I saw them in Dallas Texas, at the moody coliseum in feb, I was 22, and I loved them from the start , they had a unique sound that I loved, Freddie was great they all were. Then I seen them again in 1982, in Dallas in august, I believe it was the 21st, at reunion stadium, and Freddie had much more stage persona, and was great he had great wit and humor, I am 53 now and still love them and thier music, which my grandkids enjoy. lol... |
saltnvinegar 18.07.2006 06:10 |
Thank you doeeyes for those memories, I really do envy you and admire you for getting into them in the first place. I wonder how they were marketed to the American audiences back in the mid-70's, I've always thought it was a very different music scene compared to what was going on in the UK at that time. What was it that caught your eye about them? How did the audiences reaction change between the first gig and the '82 one? I guess that was kind of the beginning of the end of their popularity in the US wasn't it?..and a final, totally irrelevant question-did you have good seats?! BTW sorry to hijack the thread everyone, just wanted to ask a few questions...back to Freddie's stage persona!..... |
Asterik 18.07.2006 06:50 |
Fred's stage persona had to change because Queen were playing bigger venues. In the early years, he could afford to be quite intimate and explain the songs exactly but post-77 they move dinto large indoor arenas where a more strident persona is needed, everything has to be magnified, the same is said of the stadium- so by '86 he was v. agressive and outrageous because it needs to register. |
The Fairy King 18.07.2006 08:42 |
the_hero wrote:Load of tarts, doesn't make sense.<b><font color="green">The Fairy King wrote:lol not quite :PSerry... wrote: Freddie always was arrogant on the stage. Freddie called the audience as "you load of tarts" on Earls' shows... If Freddie would be shy on the stage - his name was John Deacon then.I thought he said "you loaded tarts" Loaded tarts, does! |
deleted user 18.07.2006 13:36 |
Just as long as he's not doing "the worm", I'm happy. I would agree to be a loaded tart (or part of the load) if he agreed to never do "the worm" on stage or generally in public. |
Bambi 18.07.2006 21:49 |
saltnvineger, thankyou, first I was always into different music when I was about 15, I loved the doors janis joplin jimi hendrix, then came this song, borap, I thought it was so unique, and the guitar sound they sounded like no other, so they facinated me from the start, they were better received in the uk, united states I hate to say were not into different sounds or people, and freddie of course was the showman. but there were lots of fans, but not like the uk. in 1982 he changed his look of course, myself I liked it he was a beautifull man, very lithe and very sexy the us did not take to it, but they had their heads up their ass, as far as I was concerned. I had good seats and enjoyed the shows so much, Freddie was so great and funny, he was more into it by 1982. later on the I want to break free video turned a lot of people off, but I thought all of it was in good fun, a lot of people especially in the south were i live, they all love country music, but there are still a lot of Queen fans here, I cherish all those memories especially 1977 when they were getting thier feet wet, and becoming the great band they are, they always spoke to the audiance, and Freddie would look at you when he sang, good eye contact I enjoyed sharing my memories with you, have a great day. trish...lol |
as it began 18.07.2006 22:08 |
Almost everything Freddie said was IN JEST. C'moooooon, I think that is one of the biggest misconception about him is that he is really arrogant. On paper most of the Freddie quotes sound cocky and rude but if you actually hear him say it you would know that he is joking. He's not "rude and swearing at the audience" |
Bambi 18.07.2006 23:12 |
true, he was fun and very humorous, very dry wit he was far from being rude. |
saltnvinegar 19.07.2006 06:24 |
doeeyes wrote: saltnvineger, thankyou, first I was always into different music when I was about 15, I loved the doors janis joplin jimi hendrix, then came this song, borap, I thought it was so unique, and the guitar sound they sounded like no other, so they facinated me from the start, they were better received in the uk, united states I hate to say were not into different sounds or people, and freddie of course was the showman. but there were lots of fans, but not like the uk. in 1982 he changed his look of course, myself I liked it he was a beautifull man, very lithe and very sexy the us did not take to it, but they had their heads up their ass, as far as I was concerned. I had good seats and enjoyed the shows so much, Freddie was so great and funny, he was more into it by 1982. later on the I want to break free video turned a lot of people off, but I thought all of it was in good fun, a lot of people especially in the south were i live, they all love country music, but there are still a lot of Queen fans here, I cherish all those memories especially 1977 when they were getting thier feet wet, and becoming the great band they are, they always spoke to the audiance, and Freddie would look at you when he sang, good eye contact I enjoyed sharing my memories with you, have a great day. trish...lolThanks a lot for answering my questions. I've only met one person who has actually attended a Queen (-PR) concert so I really like to hear every little detail. I enjoyed reading your memories of those special occasions and really envy you being able to see the "very lithe and very sexy" Freddie- I'd have probably tried to storm the stage and grab him if I'd have been there! If you every remember anything else you want to share, I'd be glad to read it. Bye for now x |
FreMe 19.07.2006 10:11 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: That book is the most inaccurate piece of crap ever released on Queen...and that includes Rick Skye's 'biography' of Freddie Mercury! If there's ONE paragraph without errors, it's a legitimate miracle.Well, A Kind Of Magic (A tribute to Freddie MErcury) is, I think, The worst crap ever :s.. And speaking of Freddie saying weird things on stage, I actually heard him say that 'Brian´s got a big cock' on stage :p.. I swear it was him :D |
Bambi 21.07.2006 00:27 |
saltnvineger, been digging thru all my packed up boxes of things I have collected over my teen years and in my 20's years, actually it was in dec, 1977 they also played ft worth texas which is a neibor of Dallas, they played ftworth dec, 10 and the tickets were 6.50 pretty cheap that was for a balcony seat row 5, i know they played houston dec 11, than came back up our way, also i found my drumstick I got at a Led Zepplin concert signed by all the band members, got that in 1969, i get messed up on my dates my senior moments i call them i wished i would have travelled to houston the extra 3 hours, but i didn't, 1982 was the last time they played the states with freddie. |
RETROLOVE 21.07.2006 06:33 |
<font color=FFFFOO>FreMe<h6>Get Down!!!! wrote:Oh lord jesus...Freme, when did he say this? For some reason I dont think he was lying :)<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: That book is the most inaccurate piece of crap ever released on Queen...and that includes Rick Skye's 'biography' of Freddie Mercury! If there's ONE paragraph without errors, it's a legitimate miracle.Well, A Kind Of Magic (A tribute to Freddie MErcury) is, I think, The worst crap ever :s.. And speaking of Freddie saying weird things on stage, I actually heard him say that 'Brian´s got a big cock' on stage :p.. I swear it was him :D |
saltnvinegar 21.07.2006 08:48 |
doeeyes wrote: saltnvineger, been digging thru all my packed up boxes of things I have collected over my teen years and in my 20's years, actually it was in dec, 1977 they also played ft worth texas which is a neibor of Dallas, they played ftworth dec, 10 and the tickets were 6.50 pretty cheap that was for a balcony seat row 5, i know they played houston dec 11, than came back up our way, also i found my drumstick I got at a Led Zepplin concert signed by all the band members, got that in 1969, i get messed up on my dates my senior moments i call them i wished i would have travelled to houston the extra 3 hours, but i didn't, 1982 was the last time they played the states with freddie.Wow, doeeyes, that sounds like a great collection of memorabilia-don't throw it away ever! Yeah $6.50 sounds like a great price for such a wonderful show but I'd pay 10+ times that to go back in time and see it for real LOL! On a non-Queen related note...you got a LedZep signed drumstick? wow, did you get backstage and actually meet them? Were you lucky enough to meet the Queen boys too or did you know anyone that did? again, sorry to you all for the thread hijack...back again to Freddie's stage persona! x |
saltnvinegar 21.07.2006 08:52 |
Jellybean Queen<h6>sweetbodykisses wrote: Oh lord jesus...Freme, when did he say this? For some reason I dont think he was lying :)It's available to hear on one of those sites with concert mistakes and funny moments, it's been put up here a few times but sorry, I don't know the link right now and and the search feature just doesn't seem to work for me on this board anymore :( I must admit I wasn't sure whether he said c%$k or 'conk' (as in nose)...that might be more appropriate! |
Bambi 22.07.2006 21:07 |
saltnvineger, Hi, actually when I got the drumstick from led zep I did get to meet them as they each signed, they were great and fun guys, soooo young. When i had seen Queen in 1982 a Friend of mine his brother was in collage and talked mike into going to a Queen concert with him he thought no way, but non the less he went and loved every minute of the concert, Freddie just pulled you in with his wit and charisma. mike now is a physical thereapist with his own buissness. I had to claw my way up and had very good closeness to the stage, but i am short and kept getting knocked out of the way, or pushed. he would say hello darlings and wink. I keep all my stuff Elvis and I like Dwight Yoakum, C&W singer I seen him twice..lol....thanks i love sharing. |
beautifulsoup 22.07.2006 22:39 |
saltnvinegar wrote:linkJellybean Queen<h6>sweetbodykisses wrote: Oh lord jesus...Freme, when did he say this? For some reason I dont think he was lying :)It's available to hear on one of those sites with concert mistakes and funny moments, it's been put up here a few times but sorry, I don't know the link right now and and the search feature just doesn't seem to work for me on this board anymore :( I must admit I wasn't sure whether he said c%$k or 'conk' (as in nose)...that might be more appropriate! Click on "just for fun." |