| Indo77 14.07.2006 06:33 |
What have Queen Productions against releasing 70s concerts on DVD. It amazes me that they have not picked up on the want list for 70s live material but still give fans subpar concerts from the 80s when the band were a stadium band. Stadium performances do not necessarily mean brillant shows. I have seen Earl's Court, Houston, Hammersmith 79' and these concerts are excellent. There is some mic issues that affect earl's court and some bad camera angles, but if QP have the master tapes then these problems can be resolved during post production. Why won't QP release a 70s boxset but leave us to make do with poor quality bootlegs. Don't get me wrong I appreciate anyone who shared this material but some of this footage should have been released on DVD a long time ago. What is the true motivation stopping QP from releasing this material. Queen peaked as a group musically in the late 70s. |
| Jay Mantis 14.07.2006 07:45 |
Copyrights mostly I think. Also Roger/Brian or even John not being satisfied with the original quality or the performance of the material. It's a bloody shame I know but there's nothing we can do about it. |
| rocks. 14.07.2006 08:31 |
Somebody e-mail brian and ask him why, rofl. |
| Winter Land Man 14.07.2006 09:23 |
I think it's, Despite most Queen fans loving the 1970s music better, you gotta remember Queen's albums in the 80s and 90s sold VERY well and they made many fans from other countries and most people remember Freddie with a mustache, even in the USA, where, while having a majority of hits in the 70s, Freddie made quite a appearence in the 80s. |
| Boy Thomas Raker 14.07.2006 10:37 |
Leah has it pretty much spot on Indo77. Yes, Queen peaked musically and creatively (and IMHO, as a live rock and roll act) in the 70s. But their big sales were in the 80s and 90s. So we get the rehashed big stadium shows instead of their rockier performances from the 70s which were free of samplers and triggers and synth drums, just 4 great musicians playing balls out rock music. |
| DreaminQueen 14.07.2006 19:27 |
I honestly couldnt say. I wish they would, because as a younger QUEEN fan, i dont have access to these things. And i'm not very comfortable with downloading bootlegs at this point... Its not even in the workings and isnt allowed to be leaked by anychance? Never mind. Thats just my extremely overactive imagination.... |
| AlexRocks 14.07.2006 22:29 |
I think all of this will be released. They aren't going to flood the markets people. They have already even said that they will release this stuff. They have released at least one d.v.d a year now for a few years. Some artists wait five years for their next d.v.d. I think we have been lucky to get as many as we have at this point and in a few years we will have something from the 1970's. |
| Winter Land Man 14.07.2006 22:58 |
Plus us young people need a DVD each year to provide us for a lifetime of videos. Imagine if we got it all released in a year? Nothing to look foreward to! |
| eenaweena 14.07.2006 23:24 |
i really wanna see those live bits on dvd, being only 15. i mean, i've never actually reached them doing tours, so this is the best way i can profess my undying queen fanaticism. (?) hehe. anyways, it's worth a shot, right? |
| brENsKi 15.07.2006 03:37 |
Messenger Of Leah wrote: I think it's, even in the USA, where, while having a majority of hits in the 70s, Freddie made quite a appearence in the 80s.queen were finished in by 82 in the USA...Hot Space did that |
| bitesthedust 15.07.2006 11:23 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:That and I Want To Break Free. Having said that, Brian and Roger have gone on record as saying that if they had had a tremendous hit in the States they would have gone back....but for the aforementioned reasons this was not likely; when you look at the chart positions reached for The Works - Innuendo singles (excluding Bo Rhap/Show Must Go On).Messenger Of Leah wrote: I think it's, even in the USA, where, while having a majority of hits in the 70s, Freddie made quite a appearence in the 80s.queen were finished in by 82 in the USA...Hot Space did that |
| Lord Fickle 16.07.2006 12:42 |
Brian has already talked about DVD-As of QII and ADATR, and I also think more concert DVDs will follow, but nothing will happen until the Q+PR thing goes cold. Brian will want a break after touring, and as we know, he likes to be heavily involved in any 'new' releases. My guess would be that, unless there is a surprise round about November, there will be nothing until 2007. I hope that the next project will be a 30th Anniversary edition of ADATR, with 5.1 sound, and an accompanying documentary - not stupid bloody seaside videos! |
| Nathan 16.07.2006 12:44 |
What is a DVD-audio? |
| Penetration_Guru 16.07.2006 12:56 |
It's something only fully explained via that rarest of internet sites, the "search engine" |
| Jjeroen 16.07.2006 13:03 |
Earl's Court has more problems then just the mic and the not-too-nice angeles, as you call it. As am atter of fact; the mic is the easiest thing to correct. (By a simple overdub as FBG on The Bowl DVD) But anybody that has seen the master of this video or clones of the master, will see and agree that there are very noticable issues with the image quality of the material. Most of it is excellent, but there are parts where indeed the mastertape is inferior and probably just slightly beyond the point of being able to be decently repared in post production. For an official DVD release: too many people (average fans or generally interested market) would probably complain that the imagequality is inferior for DVD... Unfortunately! |
| bitesthedust 16.07.2006 13:26 |
jeroen wrote: Earl's Court has more problems then just the mic and the not-too-nice angeles, as you call it. As am atter of fact; the mic is the easiest thing to correct. (By a simple overdub as FBG on The Bowl DVD) But anybody that has seen the master of this video or clones of the master, will see and agree that there are very noticable issues with the image quality of the material. Most of it is excellent, but there are parts where indeed the mastertape is inferior and probably just slightly beyond the point of being able to be decently repared in post production. For an official DVD release: too many people (average fans or generally interested market) would probably complain that the imagequality is inferior for DVD... Unfortunately!yup, agreed. I have a copy of the show and it's not just the mic problems...image as well like you say. |
| Jay Mantis 16.07.2006 15:03 |
But if they combined it with the footage of the second night? Many people say that what they have seen of the second night is indeed much better filmed then the first night, it's possible that they didn't have any mic problems then. |
| bitesthedust 16.07.2006 15:09 |
Well, a complete recording is in the archives. At the moment only a professional recording of 12 minutes (Killer Queen & Rock N Roll Medley) is available. |
| flash! 28068 16.07.2006 16:55 |
You should know full well now that Queen Productions are just plain lazy! |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2006 23:13 |
« Jay » wrote: But if they combined it with the footage of the second night? Many people say that what they have seen of the second night is indeed much better filmed then the first night, it's possible that they didn't have any mic problems then.Exactly. The footage is much brighter on the second night. If it looks this good even on the Rare Live VHS, imagine how it would look after it was tweaked up for an official DVD release. |
| Winter Land Man 17.07.2006 01:30 |
bitesthedust <br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote:What about the Innuendo/I Can't Live With You/Headlong charting on the mainstream..... even Headlong being praised on MTV in the USA.<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:That and I Want To Break Free. Having said that, Brian and Roger have gone on record as saying that if they had had a tremendous hit in the States they would have gone back....but for the aforementioned reasons this was not likely; when you look at the chart positions reached for The Works - Innuendo singles (excluding Bo Rhap/Show Must Go On).Messenger Of Leah wrote: I think it's, even in the USA, where, while having a majority of hits in the 70s, Freddie made quite a appearence in the 80s.queen were finished in by 82 in the USA...Hot Space did that The song Innuendo was #17 on the US rock charts, yet wasn't even a single here! |
| Winter Land Man 17.07.2006 01:35 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Buddy, Queen were still on the news all the time.. adults were buying the music, while kids ignored it. Finished doesn't mean anything. Even A Kind Of Magic and Princes Of The Universe were played on music video television.... songs were on the radio, even non chartersMessenger Of Leah wrote: I think it's, even in the USA, where, while having a majority of hits in the 70s, Freddie made quite a appearence in the 80s.queen were finished in by 82 in the USA...Hot Space did that |
| NOTWMEDDLE 17.07.2006 17:46 |
Boy Thomas Raker wrote: Leah has it pretty much spot on Indo77. Yes, Queen peaked musically and creatively (and IMHO, as a live rock and roll act) in the 70s. But their big sales were in the 80s and 90s. So we get the rehashed big stadium shows instead of their rockier performances from the 70s which were free of samplers and triggers and synth drums, just 4 great musicians playing balls out rock music.Queen were scorned and ridiculed here in the US after 1980. Hot Space tanked and the band didn't want to tour America after that. The Works, A Kind of Magic and The Miracle all sold poorly in the US. The US fans were more fans of Queen's 1970s era material. Look at the top selling albums of Queen's in the US. They are NOTW and The Game(each sold 4 million in the US listed as Quadruple Platinum). ANATO(is their second best seller at 3million copies Stateside). Live Killers is Double Platinum(2 million copies). ADATR and Jazz are all at Platinum(1 million copies). The only 70s era Queen album that didn't sell in North America anyhow was Queen II. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 17.07.2006 17:49 |
bitesthedust <br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote:Innuendo brought Queen back to America. Headlong was the first single Stateside and peaked at #3 on Billboard's Mainstream Rock Chart. The title cut was a US Top 20 rock radio smash. The success of those two tracks pushed Innuendo to Gold status. Also, Hollywood Records did a damn good job with promotion and they were also re-issuing the band's back catalog then.<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:That and I Want To Break Free. Having said that, Brian and Roger have gone on record as saying that if they had had a tremendous hit in the States they would have gone back....but for the aforementioned reasons this was not likely; when you look at the chart positions reached for The Works - Innuendo singles (excluding Bo Rhap/Show Must Go On).Messenger Of Leah wrote: I think it's, even in the USA, where, while having a majority of hits in the 70s, Freddie made quite a appearence in the 80s.queen were finished in by 82 in the USA...Hot Space did that |
| NOTWMEDDLE 17.07.2006 17:51 |
Lord Fickle wrote: Brian has already talked about DVD-As of QII and ADATR, and I also think more concert DVDs will follow, but nothing will happen until the Q+PR thing goes cold. Brian will want a break after touring, and as we know, he likes to be heavily involved in any 'new' releases. My guess would be that, unless there is a surprise round about November, there will be nothing until 2007. I hope that the next project will be a 30th Anniversary edition of ADATR, with 5.1 sound, and an accompanying documentary - not stupid bloody seaside videos!DVD-A is a dead format. It resurrected as a Dual Disc but the record labels prefer CD and DVD packages. DVD-A sales were decimated once SACDs became hybrid to play on SACD/DVD and regular CD players(Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, The Rolling Stones 1960s catalog, The Who's Tommy, Roxy Music's Avalon are examples). |
| NOTWMEDDLE 17.07.2006 17:51 |
jeroen wrote: Earl's Court has more problems then just the mic and the not-too-nice angeles, as you call it. As am atter of fact; the mic is the easiest thing to correct. (By a simple overdub as FBG on The Bowl DVD) But anybody that has seen the master of this video or clones of the master, will see and agree that there are very noticable issues with the image quality of the material. Most of it is excellent, but there are parts where indeed the mastertape is inferior and probably just slightly beyond the point of being able to be decently repared in post production. For an official DVD release: too many people (average fans or generally interested market) would probably complain that the imagequality is inferior for DVD... Unfortunately!No one bitched about the stuff on the Led Zeppelin DVD or Rush Replay or Pink Floyd Pulse. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 17.07.2006 17:53 |
Messenger Of Leah wrote:However, The Works and A Kind of Magic TANKED. The failure of those two albums caused Queen to ignore the US. If Capitol released Hammer to Fall first then The Works would have had a chance of selling huge but hair metal heisted the US music scene by then.<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Buddy, Queen were still on the news all the time.. adults were buying the music, while kids ignored it. Finished doesn't mean anything. Even A Kind Of Magic and Princes Of The Universe were played on music video television.... songs were on the radio, even non chartersMessenger Of Leah wrote: I think it's, even in the USA, where, while having a majority of hits in the 70s, Freddie made quite a appearence in the 80s.queen were finished in by 82 in the USA...Hot Space did that |
| Jjeroen 18.07.2006 04:34 |
NOTWMEDDLE wrote:That's because those shows (and in Zepp's case most parts of it and at least the MAIN show) are all in pristine video condition!!jeroen wrote: Earl's Court has more problems then just the mic and the not-too-nice angeles, as you call it. As am atter of fact; the mic is the easiest thing to correct. (By a simple overdub as FBG on The Bowl DVD) But anybody that has seen the master of this video or clones of the master, will see and agree that there are very noticable issues with the image quality of the material. Most of it is excellent, but there are parts where indeed the mastertape is inferior and probably just slightly beyond the point of being able to be decently repared in post production. For an official DVD release: too many people (average fans or generally interested market) would probably complain that the imagequality is inferior for DVD... Unfortunately!No one bitched about the stuff on the Led Zeppelin DVD or Rush Replay or Pink Floyd Pulse. The 'errors' on those (yes I own all three you mention), if they are there in the first place, are nothing compared to the problems there are on the masters of Earls Court. |
| Boy Thomas Raker 18.07.2006 12:08 |
Sorry NOTWMEDDLE, I was referring to Queen worldwide, not North America when I said their big sales were in the 80s and 90s. |
| Indo77 28.07.2006 18:11 |
One thing I do notice on any Earl's Court (1st Night) material I have seen is that there are some strange flickering lines throughout the show, much like Scart interference. It doesn't appear all the time but is quite noticable in some parts. I take it one of the camera men had a lead unplugged? |
| rocks. 28.07.2006 19:46 |
Why the FUCK is everybody so damn hung up on America, there is a whole other world to sell to and people shouldnt release things on "what would sell in America" Fuck that. |
| Bambi 30.07.2006 23:33 |
oooohhhhh |
| Joeker 31.07.2006 00:37 |
oh shit not this crap again. |
| Nathan 31.07.2006 00:52 |
We'll see some new material eventually folks. Don't worry. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 05.08.2006 01:53 |
WhatMustHeThink wrote: Why the FUCK is everybody so damn hung up on America, there is a whole other world to sell to and people shouldnt release things on "what would sell in America" Fuck that.The United States of America is the world's biggest music market not Europe or Australia or Japan or Africa or Asia(some places don't sell the records legally). Not many bands managed to stay successful from beginning to end in the US. The only ones I knew were The Beatles and Led Zeppelin. Pink Floyd took NINE albums to become huge for keeps. |
| Serry... 05.08.2006 06:11 |
...And it's the biggest mistake of all European artists, I think. "Oh we must change order of the songs on album and it will be selling better in the States/We must release the special single for US etc.". We have different histories, different cultures -therefore why should Queen (or someone else) change something or release something in very special way just because of USA (or any other country)? As Freddie said "You don't wanna hear it? If you don't wanna hear it, fuckin' go home". I'm really not sure if American artists of country music cares too much what do we think here about them (and I think they know what we don't think about them at all and no-one care about it from the both sides). But I understand - it's all about money... |
| the rover 05.08.2006 22:11 |
Sorry I interrupt this little discussion about bigger markets, but I see that some people mentioned something about Earl's Curt SECOND NIGHT FOOTAGE (???)... Has someone seen it? Where can I find it? I didn't know that it exists, so... |
| Serry... 06.08.2006 14:01 |
"12 minutes (Killer Queen + Rock'n'roll medley), professional recording. Complete recording is in the archives." (QueenConcerts.Com) |
| the rover 06.08.2006 14:27 |
OOOH ¡¡¡, I see... THANK YOU¡¡¡ |