| Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 13.06.2006 13:10 |
Although it is credited to "Queen", Brian often claims that he wrote "The Show Must Go On". But Scott Mercury also pointed out that Brian had a tendency to greatly downplay Freddie's contributions on the "Innuendo" album. My question is whether we really know that Brian was the sole author. After all, I heard that the melody came from something that Freddie and John had previously been working on, and that Freddie definitely wrote the first verse. Is it possible that it really was more of a group effort, but that Brian figures that he can grab credit for it? Just curious about your opinions here. |
| Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 13.06.2006 13:12 |
What are your opinions on this topic? |
| Serry... 13.06.2006 13:16 |
Main sequence came from Roger and John. Freddie worked on lyrics. This is what Brian HIMSELF said many times. |
| Winter Land Man 13.06.2006 15:07 |
And Brian wrote "My soul is painted like wings of butterflies, fairy tales of yesterday will grow but never die, I can fly, my friends!" |
| teleman 13.06.2006 15:13 |
Fat Queen Pig (aka bitch4freddie aka tiffmoab aka Zarathustra II wrote: Although it is credited to "Queen", Brian often claims that he wrote "The Show Must Go On". But Scott Mercury also pointed out that Brian had a tendency to greatly downplay Freddie's contributions on the "Innuendo" album. My question is whether we really know that Brian was the sole author. After all, I heard that the melody came from something that Freddie and John had previously been working on, and that Freddie definitely wrote the first verse. Is it possible that it really was more of a group effort, but that Brian figures that he can grab credit for it? Just curious about your opinions here. Fat Queen Pig (aka bitch4freddie aka tiffmoab aka Zarathustra II) wrote: What are your opinions on this topic?My opinion on the topic is that the topic starter is setting up another Brian bashing smear campaign spreading malicious untruths and making baseless accusations. Fat Pig let us know what you really think of Brian. link link link link |
| mayniac316 13.06.2006 15:24 |
Here we go again... |
| Sherwood Forest 13.06.2006 15:28 |
teleman wrote:i think that it was wise of you to bring this to everyone elses attention, thank you!Fat Queen Pig (aka bitch4freddie aka tiffmoab aka Zarathustra II wrote: Although it is credited to "Queen", Brian often claims that he wrote "The Show Must Go On". But Scott Mercury also pointed out that Brian had a tendency to greatly downplay Freddie's contributions on the "Innuendo" album. My question is whether we really know that Brian was the sole author. After all, I heard that the melody came from something that Freddie and John had previously been working on, and that Freddie definitely wrote the first verse. Is it possible that it really was more of a group effort, but that Brian figures that he can grab credit for it? Just curious about your opinions here.Fat Queen Pig (aka bitch4freddie aka tiffmoab aka Zarathustra II) wrote: What are your opinions on this topic?My opinion on the topic is that the topic starter is setting up another Brian bashing smear campaign spreading malicious untruths and making baseless accusations. Fat Pig let us know what you really think of Brian. link link link link |
| it was electric7 13.06.2006 15:32 |
HAHAHA your like a Brian critiquer. |
| Sebastian 13.06.2006 15:34 |
Brian was the main writer but not the sole writer. Show Must Go On is probably the only song that is actually written by Queen (with Freddie having the least input). |
| FreMe 13.06.2006 15:52 |
Messenger Of Leah wrote: And Brian wrote "My soul is painted like wings of butterflies, fairy tales of yesterday will grow but never die, I can fly, my friends!"Oh god, this is one of my favorite Queen lyrics ever!!! |
| Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 13.06.2006 18:31 |
Well, no one except, Sebastian and Teleman really gave any kind of answer to the question. Do you think that it is a Queen song or a Brian May song? If Brian admits that John and Roger wrote substantial parts of it, why do you think that he lists it as one of his songs in his biographies? My guess is that there really is not enough documentation to be able to tell. However, I do not think that it is right for Brian to list it as one of his songs. After all, the song is credited to Queen as a group, and even if Freddie did contribute a lot to it, he would not be there if Brian suddenly tried to change the credits. |
| it was electric7 13.06.2006 19:32 |
The Show Must Go On changed my life |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 13.06.2006 19:43 |
it was electric7 wrote: The Show Must Go On changed my lifeWOW! I won't ask how...but that sounds like WOW... =) Bohemian Rhapsody is what I first saw of Queen it's what got me in to Queen...Bohemian Rhapsody is *very* special to me. |
| rocks. 13.06.2006 19:55 |
What i've read Brian say is that he wrote the lyrics, I dont ever remember him claiming to be the sole writer of the song. |
| it was electric7 13.06.2006 20:54 |
The first Queen videos/ songs I've ever seen were Bo Rhap and The Show Must Go On and when I saw those I fell in love =) |
| Kelsieluvsducks 13.06.2006 21:04 |
Well, I can understand Brian doing these things, coz when your in a band the singer gets ALOT of the credit, and if your in a interveiw on your own and not for your band then some1 asks a question about your band it could get anoying. I guess what I mean is that if you have been in a band since(spling?) you were 20 or whenever it was he joined, and for how many years it been about the band you could get quite sick of it. Sorry if I efended any1. This is just my opinoin. Sorry about the spelling too. |
| Sebastian 13.06.2006 21:46 |
Brian hasn't listed it as "his" song, although it is true that he gradually claims more and more of the credit to himself. He even said that they worked on it as a team leaving their egos outside of the room. Dr May was indeed the main writer (he did contribute more than Roger, John or Freddie) but not the sole writer (he didn't contribute as much as the combination of Roger, John and Freddie). |
| Justice 13.06.2006 23:51 |
Fat Queen Pig wrote: Although it is credited to "Queen", Brian often claims that he wrote "The Show Must Go On". But Scott Mercury also pointed out that Brian had a tendency to greatly downplay Freddie's contributions on the "Innuendo" album. My question is whether we really know that Brian was the sole author. After all, I heard that the melody came from something that Freddie and John had previously been working on, and that Freddie definitely wrote the first verse. Is it possible that it really was more of a group effort, but that Brian figures that he can grab credit for it? Just curious about your opinions here.Fat Queen Pig, your presence on this planet offends me. Kindly jump off something high and take your bullshit troll attempts with you. |
| kdj2hot 14.06.2006 02:11 |
You answered your own question when you said Freddie wrote the first verse. Obviously Brian didn't write the whole song if Freddie wrote the first verse. |
| Togg 14.06.2006 03:54 |
Fat pig Queen clearly has an axe to grind when it comes to Brian so anything said needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. It is clearly documented that it was mainly Brian with imput from the others, if he said he wrote it then he did. nuff said. |
| zaiga 14.06.2006 04:14 |
Brian heard Roger and John fooling around on the synth with a certain chord progression. This chord progression stuck in Brian's head for days, and finally he decided to make a song out of it. How much Brian changed this chord progression, if at all, is not known, but this chord progression is a very important part of the song, because it remains constant throughout the song, except for the bridge, which has a different chord progression. Brian told Freddie about the song and what he wanted it to be about. Of course, a touchy subject, but Freddie agreed and together they wrote the lyrics for one verse, which actually ended up as the second verse of the song. The rest of the lyrics are mainly Brian's. David Richards, the producer, suggested a key change for the bridge. And, that's it basically, in a nutshell. I got all of this from interviews and soapbox reports by Brian. So, did Brian write "The Show Must Go On"? That depends on your definition of a song, and how you view the process of songrwriting. The song is credited on the album to "Queen", and everyone in the band had a hand in a part of this song, that much is true. Everyone may decide for themselves who they think is the songwriter, based on the above information. To me it is Brian, because I find that a song is more than just a chord progression, a lyric, or a key change. A song is the conglomeration of all these things, putting them together in a cohesive way, and making it work as a whole. This is what Brian did, and therefore I think he is the songwriter. But, as I said, your opinion may differ, and that's OK. |
| val 29467 14.06.2006 04:58 |
<font color=FFFFOO>FreMe<h6>Get Down!!!! wrote:and, as bri has said alot of times, he wrote "my soul is painted like the wings on butterflies" about FreddieMessenger Of Leah wrote: And Brian wrote "My soul is painted like wings of butterflies, fairy tales of yesterday will grow but never die, I can fly, my friends!"Oh god, this is one of my favorite Queen lyrics ever!!! |
| Al TurHao 14.06.2006 06:40 |
To Zaiga: - The Key change David Richards suggested was not in the bridge, but in the second verse ("Whatever happens..."), when it passes from B to C#; - A song is everything you said and much more. In the case of TSMGO, synth sequence Rog and John were fooling around is actually most of the song! I like Brian a lot, but.. what a great ego he has these days... He's The Great Ego In The Sky. |
| deleted user 14.06.2006 07:26 |
I'm sure it was Roger that wrote The Show Must Go On but if i made a mistake please correct me |
| Togg 14.06.2006 07:41 |
No, as stated above Roger and john had a chord progression and not much else, Brian took it and turned it into a full song with some help from Freddie. This is a really stupid topic, you might as well say "do we really know if Freddie wrote Bo Rap?" at the end of the day every song is a group effort unless someone tells each memeber of the band exactly what to play. But in this case there was no song until Brian worked on it, so what's the big deal, who cares? it's credited as Queen on the album and we KNOW Brian wrote the majority of the song. I haven't seen Roger jumping up and down saying Brian is wrong to say he wrote it, so i guess he did. |
| bonnzzo 14.06.2006 11:38 |
You all are wrong, it was written by Desmond Child..............Just Kidding....:) |
| Sebastian 14.06.2006 11:40 |
"Exactly what to play" is part of the arrangements, rather than the actual songwriting. And I can hark back once again to GnR's Knockin' On Heaven's Door: Slash composed his solos, Duff composed his bass-lines, Axl arranged the piano parts, Izzy decided the rhythm guitar lines, but the song is still Bob's, because all of those guitar, bass and piano parts were directed by the chord progression Bob had put. So, even if Brian decided how would the bass, guitar and keys go (which he did, the bass-arrangement is very May-esque, John just played it), those things are already dictated by the chord progression John & Roger had come up with previously. Lyrics and melody are of course a different matter. |
| teleman 14.06.2006 14:19 |
More than a chord progression makes a song. |
| deadbird 14.06.2006 14:30 |
isnt it cool how none of you were there when it was being made and thus really dont know ANYTHING that would be true EXCEPT for the testimonies of those who were...?? one of which was BRIAN MAY?? HA! and its SO FUNNY how you all speak and act as if you knew SO much about the situation that you would be able to properly CORRECT someone who WAS present in their recolection or account! cool! freaks. |
| Sebastian 14.06.2006 15:16 |
> More than a chord progression makes a song. Yes, but in the case of TSMGO 90% of the music is just the same chord progression over and over. Hence, whoever wrote it (i.e. Roger & John) have already composed 90% of the music. Lyrics are of course something different. |
| teleman 14.06.2006 16:25 |
Sebastian wrote: > More than a chord progression makes a song. Yes, but in the case of TSMGO 90% of the music is just the same chord progression over and over. Hence, whoever wrote it (i.e. Roger & John) have already composed 90% of the music. Lyrics are of course something different.The chord progression is one part. Lyrics, Melody, Rhythm ... they all add up to a song. The Chord progression may repeat throughout the song but the chords don't equal 90% of the song. |
| kdj2hot 14.06.2006 16:45 |
You people have issues with the creative process. Brian didn't write the song! You people are answering your own questions. This is so friggin' insane. Now to open your minds to a level as close to mine as possible ask yourself these questions: Did Brian write all the lyrics? Did Brian write all the music? Without the input of others would it have been the same song, as good or not? All fof those questions are probably no. So you can't give any one individual credit. I think this is just a case of people feeling a need to condense information so they can understand it better. It's easier saying so and so did this instead going in to detail about the facts. It may be easier but it doesn't make it right. |
| teleman 14.06.2006 16:59 |
It's a Queen song as far as I can tell. |
| Justice 14.06.2006 17:02 |
Brian did not right ALL of the song. Everyone knows this. Brian has never, EVER said this. He has taken credit for the CONCEPT behind the lyrics, but has given full credit the involvement of Freddie and the others. They were involved, but the concept was his, and he has every fucking right to take credit for it. This is why they decided to credit all of the songs to Queen instead of an individual writer. Because obviously one of them as an individual would bring a concept or lyric or piece of music to the table, all four of them would usually contribute something to it. Try again Fat Queen Pig, honest to God, you are fucking pathetic. You give trolls a bad name, you're so inept. What real evidence is there that Brian is an egomaniac? The centre of a donut. Nothing. And no, your moronic theories don't count as real evidence. What evidence is there he is a humble, kind and good hearted man? The testimonial of just about everyone who's ever met the guy. But maybe I shouldn't be so hard on you. You've obviously a broken failure of a human being who will never accomplish anything worthwhile, whereas Brian's music and charity work has made a real and good difference to the lives of countless people all across the world. I suppose if I was a pathetic and bitter nothing like you, I'd be looking for someone to lash out at too. |
| Sebastian 14.06.2006 17:23 |
> the chords don't equal 90% of the song. No, but 90% of the music. The chors already have the metre incorporated, you know... |
| teleman 14.06.2006 17:47 |
Sebastian wrote: > the chords don't equal 90% of the song. No, but 90% of the music. The chors already have the metre incorporated, you know...Sing the melody and you get the song. No chords required. |
| Sebastian 14.06.2006 21:05 |
Yes, but in that case chords dictated the melody, not otherwise. |