| on my way up 31.05.2006 13:08 |
I've been listening a lot to the Leiden ,Budapest and Stockholm shows recently and I must say that some of freddie's vocals are fantastic. He sounds very powerfull and with a lot of guts too. The wembley gigs were prabably Freddie's worst from the Magic Tour. It was only released because it's a famous gig not because it's one of Queen's best(though it still is good)I think that from an artisctic point of view Queen should better release their very best stuff. They would get much more critical acclaim! |
| Penetration_Guru 31.05.2006 13:22 |
Who are these people who say he was shite on the Magic tour? What other tours are they specifically comparing it with? Have you challenged them about it? Think of this like a maths test. Show your working out... |
| brENsKi 31.05.2006 13:28 |
i would say that the wembley and knebworth gigs from 86 were showing signs of being on the road a long time...vocals were not the best howver, the crazy tour, HS tour and works were (imo) much clearer and better range |
| john bodega 31.05.2006 13:56 |
Hah, I'm out of my brain I guess but I like Knebworth. THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET |
| wembley86 31.05.2006 15:42 |
granted i havent heard anything but the wembley concert of the magic tour but i love it. i thought he had the power as he did in live aid. he owned that crowd. especially when he played with them after the song a kind of magic. when he sings his impromtu also. i had tears in my eyes when sings that one. i love my cd and dvd of that concert. i will always remember freddie that way strong and dynamic on stag and a shy sweetie off stage. |
| Asterik 31.05.2006 16:19 |
I agree with that statement. If you take One Vision from Budapest for example, vocally, it's a top notch performance which really ranks besides the early years, the power is there and he reaches the note on "dreams of sweet illusions". At Wembley, his voice does sound weak, on the first night especially where he is heard struggling with AKOM but on the whole, his Magic tour voice was far better than The Works and at least on a par with Hot Space. Listen to Champions at Budapest, he really goes for the high notes and in parts, sounds just like he did in '77. |
| deleted user 31.05.2006 16:26 |
Yes apparently Wembley 86' is there best dvd!;p |
| Bambi 31.05.2006 22:20 |
I loved wembley freddie was so powerfull i loved that concert, also live aid freddie was in true form. |
| skiqueen 31.05.2006 22:28 |
freddies vocals were always fantastic to me, from the beginning to *sob* the end :( |
| on my way up 01.06.2006 03:31 |
There are a lot of people who seem to agree. I often read the statement(also on this site)that Freddie wasn't great after The Works tour but I don't agree since I think that he gave some fantastic shows during the magic tour. He sang with lots of guts in a way. People tend to forget there were very weak periods in the seventies too. When you hear him sing in Japan in '79 , you can't believe he's one of the best! The end of the Hot Space tour wasn't very good too. And in my opinion he was at his best for the first time in '77 during the Races tour. Listen to the Glasgow and Bristol shows: fantastic stuff. |
| roy_fokker 01.06.2006 04:15 |
Surely during the Wembley concert Freddie had some problems of vocal extention: you can hear it clearly e.g., in "Break Free", "Another one bites the Dust", "Radio Ga Ga". This doesn't mean that his performance wasn't good... he did wonderful things in the mid and low tones (just think of "The world we created", or "Under Pressure", or "Kind of Magic", or the whole acoustic Medley". Freddie's voice during the magic tour was perhaps paying the debt to a long period of touring/recording, but in my opinion it was very powerful and "coluored" (even though I still think that his best live recording, up to today, is the Live at the Bowl).. Sometimes I just think that he (and Queen) exaggerated a little bit in writing songs with such high keys/notes to reach: Freddie's voice was so beautiful in the Low-Mids (He was a baritono voice, think of Ensueno, or the beginning of The Golden Boy, or I'm going Slightly Mad's refrain)... it would have been very interesting if he had worked more on that quality, instead of getting always (and not always good, often good thanks also to Roger's choirs) that incredibly high... |
| deleted user 01.06.2006 05:19 |
Asterik wrote: At Wembley, his voice does sound weak, on the first night especially where he is heard struggling with AKOM but on the whole, his Magic tour voice was far better than The Works and at least on a par with Hot Space..Yea, i was just about to say he stuggled with AKOM on the first night. ;) But on the whole i love the Magic tour, setlist was great..i havent' heard many other shows apart from Wembley '86 but i have heard Love of my Life in Manheim 1986 and i have to say that it's my favorite performance of LOML live..its great; sound is wicked, freds voice is beautiful, the crowd are brill...the only fault is that i wasn't there! *sobs* lol :) |
| Asterik 01.06.2006 08:32 |
<font color=&#FF00CC">Lil*Queenie wrote:Mmmn... he sounded rather breathless at times and his voice kept cracking near the chorus, so he decided to hold barely any of the notes and just punch the words out. But in terms of bad singing nothing beats teo Torriate from Japan in '82. The verses were lovely but the chorus was awful, Freddie's voice dis-integrated and Roger had no real idea of what he was singing and no one could hear Brian anyway.Asterik wrote: At Wembley, his voice does sound weak, on the first night especially where he is heard struggling with AKOM but on the whole, his Magic tour voice was far better than The Works and at least on a par with Hot Space..Yea, i was just about to say he stuggled with AKOM on the first night. lol :) |
| skiqueen 01.06.2006 08:49 |
Asterik wrote:yeah i noticed that...<font color=&#FF00CC">Lil*Queenie wrote:Mmmn... he sounded rather breathless at times and his voice kept cracking near the chorus, so he decided to hold barely any of the notes and just punch the words out. But in terms of bad singing nothing beats teo Torriate from Japan in '82. The verses were lovely but the chorus was awful, Freddie's voice dis-integrated and Roger had no real idea of what he was singing and no one could hear Brian anyway.Asterik wrote: At Wembley, his voice does sound weak, on the first night especially where he is heard struggling with AKOM but on the whole, his Magic tour voice was far better than The Works and at least on a par with Hot Space..Yea, i was just about to say he stuggled with AKOM on the first night. lol :) |
| Freddie_Jr. 01.06.2006 10:26 |
That's why I like watching the early day videos the best, they aren't as good quality, but Freddies voice is absolutley amazing with very few noticable mistakes. |
| flash! 28068 01.06.2006 10:36 |
It's the same with Hot Space tour. From watching footage of Freddie singing at, lets say, Vienna. He sounded in much better condition. Milton Keynes he sounded fab aswell... but later in the year after months of touring he sounded worse. For example around November in Japan and, as someone said, when singing Teo Torriate, his voice during the chorus really seemed tired out. |
| Digitube 01.06.2006 12:11 |
I would say it's too overblown to say Freddie sounded shite at Wembley, but certainly, it wasn't his best sounding performance ever. Becoming a fun in june 1986 (celebrating 20th anniversary at june 7 :-) :-P) I unfortunately never had the chance to see Queen live :-( I also don't own any bootlegs, so i must base my opinion on the legal stuff. From the material I know, Milton Keynes absolutely sounds BRILL! The beginning of Somebody to love still sends shivers down my spine every time I play it! (" Are you ready? Huh, are you ready brothers and sisters?!? ") Freddie was in absofuckinglutely topshape that day in june 1982. But I really must say it surprises me a lot that nobody here seems to know that at the time of the Wembley show of magic tour, Freddie suffered from serious throathproblems, and doctors advised him to cancel the shows. Freddie refused and insisted the shows to go on. So happened. And a bad Freddie still sounds better than a good singer from a nowadays rockband I suppose :-D Being a vocalist myself, Freddie is my God really. He's the reason I started singing and playing music in the first place, and I *tried* to imitate his voice.... MUST I say I did *not* succeed? Thank you. I have a high pitched voice, but doing a Freddie? uh-uh. No way dear, don't even try. Even Paul could not do a Freddie, and we all did see at the Mercury Tribute that even established vocalist couldn't do his vocal-lines. All in all, I agree the Wembley shows were of lower voice quality yes, but still good. But I like to discuss something else, and also on Freddie during the Magic-Tour. It seemed to me, that not his singing, but his MOVEMENTS were of " a lower quality " than earlier tours. He seemed more stiff to me in 1986. Sure the montage of the Wembley video helped to hide that, but still...I think that Fred's moving on stage was about ten years older than a year before during - let's say - Live Aid. Any other person has a comment on that? Cheers you all :-) *Regards* Pascal ( and webmaster, when the F*ck are you gonna place the coverversion of ABTD I sent you MONTHS ago on the stage of champions????????? :-S |
| breakthru1989 02.06.2006 17:14 |
the magic tour is their best in the 80’s. LIVEAID is the top of the 80’s. they were at their best in that performance. second knebworth park 3rth mannheim 4th leiden HOT SPACE tour is good too. the works is a little less. the game was better than the works tour. |
| Asterik 02.06.2006 17:35 |
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| Jay Mantis 02.06.2006 18:28 |
I think the only tour that can be considered as "less good" then the others would be The Works tour (1984). Freddie's voice wasn't that powerful (except for a few gigs). The last part of The Works tour in 1985 was already a lot better, just listen to Final Live In Japan, Freddie's voice was much better! As far as I know, the Magic tour was really good. |
| bex 03.06.2006 08:26 |
Live at Wembley 86 was the first time I had actually SEEN Queen perform, before that the only thing I owned was the Greatest Hits Platinum Collection and from that point of view, I was absolutely blown over by the power and range of Freddie and his energy on stage. I was fourteen and it says a lot about music today in that I was honestly completely unaware that it was even POSSIBLE to sing like that or give a physical performance like that. I had never seen or heard anything that came close and so to me, the first time I watched wembley, it sounded almost note-perfect in comparison to other music acts. But once I began finding other performances and realising the change in Freddie's voice over the years, only then did I go back and find fault with his performance. I think a lot of very knowledgeable Queen fans who know so much about the different performances forget that to a casual fan or a new fan, a performance like Freddie's at Wembley is perfect - only serious fans realise he can, in fact, do better vocally. |
| lozitopj 05.06.2006 12:42 |
His voice in Live at Budapest was fantastic!!!!...Freddie's worst day vocally couldn't be touched by some of the vocalists we have now and that would be on their very best day!!!!...Peace!!! |
| koldweather123 05.06.2006 13:35 |
Yeah live at Budapest was great, here's under-presure, also hitting the higher higher high part as well bang on: link |
| Jasondeluve 06.06.2006 02:54 |
Hi Gang. I've been lurking for almost 2 years now, and finally decided to post. For what it's worth on this one, i think some of the cracking and such in Freddie's voice during the magic tour is due to the longer term effects of his smoking. I am a professional voice actor, and during the times I smoked, after several years nodules developed that produced a similar result. I think that this is more obvious when you hear The Miracle and Innuendo albums, after he quit smoking, he regaind that brilliant smooth and powerfully subtle delivery and high notes. I think the vocals on Innuendo are absolutely brilliant. Just my 2 cents for what it's worth. |
| john bodega 06.06.2006 06:22 |
People who are unhappy with Wembley... keep in mind that the official one has got some overdubs in it. Anyone else hear One Vision without 'em? |
| deleted user 06.06.2006 08:40 |
The Magic tour was probley Freddies best vocals for any tour i would think |