QueenZone discussion #792043
very rare rarities...
| rosedewitt 27.05.2006 15:53 |
... like assassin, face it alone, you are the only one, my secret fantasy, and other very rare songs ... i sometimes read in this board that the few who have it don't like to share it. ok. could you tell at least how/where to get them please? if you know where to find them, or to buy (doesn't matter to spend also money for that) can you please help me and tell where/how to find that songs? maybe in a fan-club? or in an auction? i have no idea... |
| Serry... 27.05.2006 16:08 |
My Secret Fantasy - link You're The Only One - link Others are available via trading with Queen collectors... or just search better! |
| rosedewitt 27.05.2006 16:24 |
Serry... wrote: Others are available via trading with Queen collectors... or just search better!thx very much!!! and where should i search? online? or in shops? |
| Serry... 27.05.2006 17:04 |
Well, some other rare songs are on Rien's site as well as My Secret Fantasy (that mercuryparadise.com). I don't know what else do you mean by "very rare tracks" :) Assasin, Face It Alone - no, only with the help of collectors. |
| rosedewitt 27.05.2006 18:34 |
do you know any collectors on this board who would trade "assassin" and "face it alone"? |
| InnuendoMay 27.05.2006 18:36 |
rosedewitt wrote: do you know any collectors on this board who would trade "assassin" and "face it alone"?Ha! Yeah there are some of have it, or claim to have it, and the songs do exist, but trading...? Meh who knows? It would be nice to hear the demo for Innuendo (Assassin) though! |
| chefman5150 28.05.2006 15:49 |
This is a common issue amongst most Queen fans- trying to find these songs...or let alone trying to find someone who has them and IS actually willing to trade. I wish you the best of luck!! |
| roy_fokker 28.05.2006 16:49 |
I think they simply do not exist. If you deem... fans have been sharing lots of material and unreleased rarities: what do those rarities have, more than the others, to be kept in secret? There's no point, no satisfaction in stating you have something you can't have demonstrate you have. And, at the moment, there's no evidence that those songs exist. So, rationally speaking, we must reasonably deduce that they are a brillant fantasy, nothing more. |
| rosedewitt 28.05.2006 17:12 |
well, i think they exist, but i also don't understand why everyone is making a secret of it and why nobody wants to share them... they are just demo songs like other demo songs which are not sooo rare at all, - i can't understand how it should make anyone happier when he has it and don't shares it, - well for him it shouldn't matter at all if he's the only one owning it, or of anyone else on the world owns it too, right? ;) |
| Jay Mantis 28.05.2006 17:31 |
All we need is a little teaser. A 10 sec sample would be enough to confirm it's existence. ;-) |
| Lester Burnham 28.05.2006 17:54 |
A collector who has amassed a huge collection should be proud of what he or she has. Once a rare track leaks, then the collection becomes all the more obsolete. Considering the recent outpouring of previously unreleased tracks, those who possess 'Assassin' or 'Face It Alone' are still lucky because they haven't been leaked yet, and are still worth something to that person, whereas 'Self Made Man' or 'Silver Salmon' have become commonplace. Why should a collector willingly share a song when they may have spent most of their collecting careers searching for that song? While I personally would love to hear 'Assassin' (if it exists) and 'Face It Alone' and other rare tracks, it's not the responsibility of those who do have them to share them - it's Queen Productions'. They have the songs in perfect quality, and know that the fans want the rarities, so it's only a matter of time before these songs will become available. |
| rosedewitt 28.05.2006 18:54 |
Lester Burnham wrote: Why should a collector willingly share a song when they may have spent most of their collecting careers searching for that song?why shouldn't he?? why should i keep a song (and that's just a data at all) for me, when i know i could share it with many fans who all love to listen to it, too? would i think i am mightful or something better because i have a song noone else owns?? no, - i am glad that i have much rare material, what was hard to get and hard to find, but i also have no problem to share it with others. i don't think that queen made their songs to keep them in their archives, - they produced them to share them with all their fans. and if they had more time i am sure they would have work on the demo songs, to release them too once a day. |
| Mr Mercury 28.05.2006 19:28 |
rosedewitt wrote: i don't think that queen made their songs to keep them in their archives, - they produced them to share them with all their fans.Sorry, but that argument doesnt quite add up because it is standard practise for bands to record more songs than might appear on the next CD. The reason for that is most bands then pick the best songs to be put on the CD. The rest usually get dumped because the band wasnt happy about them or sometime they end up as throw away "B sides". |
| rosedewitt 28.05.2006 19:34 |
i know that, but i think when the demos are so requested by the fans the band would have done a sample album with some demos. |
| Lester Burnham 28.05.2006 20:23 |
rosedewitt wrote:You might see it that way, but some of these collectors trade and sell a lot of very meaningful things to them in order to obtain what can be considered as the Holy Grail of Queen's archives. For anyone who ever had 'Mad The Swine' before 1991, I don't think anyone ever HEARD of such a song existing, so obviously they've stumbled into something exciting and new. Maybe someone spent thousands of dollars trying to obtain that relic, and they are not morally or legally obliged to share it with anyone if they don't want to. Once that relic is officially released, then people who didn't have it before don't care, and the value depreciates.Lester Burnham wrote: Why should a collector willingly share a song when they may have spent most of their collecting careers searching for that song?why shouldn't he?? why should i keep a song (and that's just a data at all) for me, when i know i could share it with many fans who all love to listen to it, too? would i think i am mightful or something better because i have a song noone else owns?? no, - i am glad that i have much rare material, what was hard to get and hard to find, but i also have no problem to share it with others. With your argument, you might as well walk into a Burger King and demand they feed you for free. "I want a Whopper!" When they tell you how much it costs, you're outraged - "I want it for free! Do you feel superior to me because you have the Whopper that I want? If I had Whoppers, you can bet I would give them out to anyone and everyone!" People spend a large portion of their lives collecting things for their own sakes, not to entertain give out as freebies to other people. If you build a good relationship with a collector, maybe he or she will send you a rare file every now and then; but they are under no agreement or obligation to do so. |
| FriedChicken 28.05.2006 22:00 |
Assassin isn't the same as Innuendo.. |
| Lester Burnham 28.05.2006 22:34 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: Assassin isn't the same as Innuendo..I always thought it was a working title for 'The Hitman'. Seems more logical (assassins and hitmen). |
| rosedewitt 29.05.2006 04:47 |
Lester Burnham wrote: With your argument, you might as well walk into a Burger King and demand they feed you for free. "I want a Whopper!" When they tell you how much it costs, you're outraged - "I want it for free! Do you feel superior to me because you have the Whopper that I want? If I had Whoppers, you can bet I would give them out to anyone and everyone!" People spend a large portion of their lives collecting things for their own sakes, not to entertain give out as freebies to other people. If you build a good relationship with a collector, maybe he or she will send you a rare file every now and then; but they are under no agreement or obligation to do so.lol, i am sorry but that sounds silly. we are talking about a song (which is probably not good enough for the audience, because if it was it has been relesed) and not about somebody's life.. well maybe i am different, but although i love queen i am willing to share the material (also the rare one which was hard to get) i have, and when i paid much for it i would be willingly to trade, but keep it such a secret i think it's silly. because what's the sense for keeping it just for me? do i make the queen members happier when me is the only one with the demo song? is it for me a better feeling to be the only one with this song? no it isn't. for me it is only important to get it for myself, and when i have it, i don't care about if i spent lots of time and money to find it, i would share or trade it. well, but that's only my opinion, everybody can do like he wants, and so i understand your arguments. |
| rosedewitt 29.05.2006 05:21 |
Lester Burnham wrote: If you build a good relationship with a collector, maybe he or she will send you a rare file every now and then; but they are under no agreement or obligation to do so.i don't agree with that. i want to have relationships because i like people, and not just because they own something i want to have. it sounds like building a relationship to a collector, and when i got the thing i want, i break up again? no! that's very unfair. that's like when you marry a very very old rich man/woman who is going to die soon, just to take all his/her money, i think that shows a false character. when i have a good friend who has for example a rare queen song i want to have and he don't want to give me, i wouldn't break up the relationship just because of that. relationships and business are different things and i don't want to mix them. but we are far away now from the topic i started, - i wanted to read if somebody has any tip where to find/buy the songs, - but we can also start another thread where we discuss what do we think about different characters of people :) |
| roy_fokker 29.05.2006 06:14 |
All we need is a little teaser. A 10 sec sample would be enough to confirm it's existence. ;-) that's the point. Let me state this challenge: "I think they don't exist. Is anybody able to demonstrate that they do?" Collectors are often jealous of what they collect... but also proud of them. You can't be proud of something whose bare existance is negelected, or at least discussed. so... let's wait and see if someone has the courage to share 10-15 seconds of those Chymeras. |
| bitesthedust 29.05.2006 08:39 |
I agree with Lester's comments. It's the same with concerts too. Take Dallas 78 for example. I downloaded that in flac from Dimeadozen long before it was shared here, and it was a rarity (and a trading tool)....now everyone can get it so it's less of a gem to have now. Houston 77 is the same, but I believe only an mp3 version was shared here...so a lossless bootleg is still rare. |
| Saint Jiub 29.05.2006 09:32 |
I think that sharing is not a legitimate option for those that paid a lot of money for their rare items. However I do not think that those who obtained free copies of items entitles them to withhold them from the general public forever. Queen Productions already does a fine job of that. How many years have these items been under trading restrictions? Is there a statute of limitations? Perhaps, a trader could sell a predetermined amount of a song for a dollar or so plus postage (ala Barry Mitchell) if giving it away to leechers is such a concern. However, as there is already some complaining in the trading community about traders who withhold and take forever to make a trade, I doubt that most of these songs will ever be for general consumption, seeing that Queen productions has no genuine intentions of ever selling the box sets (seeing that they are content with selling recycled product). |
| john bodega 29.05.2006 10:17 |
Well I happen to think blah blah blah, in a hundred years none of this shit will matter. Upload it all. |
| ok.computer 29.05.2006 18:46 |
Lester Burnham wrote: A collector who has amassed a huge collection should be proud of what he or she has. Once a rare track leaks, then the collection becomes all the more obsolete. [SNIP] it's not the responsibility of those who do have them to share them - it's Queen Productions'. They have the songs in perfect quality, and know that the fans want the rarities, so it's only a matter of time before these songs will become available.Hear hear...I also will be looking forward to that time when they are released. And they will be. Then I think a lot of the friction that occurs (especially) in here, will disappear. |
| The Real Wizard 30.05.2006 02:46 |
rosedewitt wrote: lol, i am sorry but that sounds silly. we are talking about a song (which is probably not good enough for the audience, because if it was it has been relesed) and not about somebody's life.. well maybe i am different, but although i love queen i am willing to share the material (also the rare one which was hard to get) i have, and when i paid much for it i would be willingly to trade, but keep it such a secret i think it's silly. because what's the sense for keeping it just for me? do i make the queen members happier when me is the only one with the demo song? is it for me a better feeling to be the only one with this song? no it isn't. for me it is only important to get it for myself, and when i have it, i don't care about if i spent lots of time and money to find it, i would share or trade it. well, but that's only my opinion, everybody can do like he wants, and so i understand your arguments.Please, quit while you're far behind. You haven't got the slightest clue about collecting. In a perfect world it may work like you suggest, but the collecting world is a place to quietly seek the goods, people's trust, and occasional luck. One obtains something rare by offering something equally rare in exchange. The only time a "rare" song hits a public place like this is when it has made its rounds through the collectors and they have nothing left to gain, since it was traded around for months, or even years. If you are a fan, then enjoy the officially released music and the demos and concerts shared here. If you want more, then you need to make your way into the collecting world. It's not easy, but it's the way it works. In the long run, few things will be shared here in comparison to what's out there. Everything isn't going to be handed to everyone on a silver platter. Don't flame me for this. I'm just reporting it as it is. |
| rosedewitt 30.05.2006 04:48 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Please, quit while you're far behind. You haven't got the slightest clue about collecting. In a perfect world it may work like you suggest, but the collecting world is a place to quietly seek the goods, people's trust, and occasional luck. One obtains something rare by offering something equally rare in exchange. The only time a "rare" song hits a public place like this is when it has made its rounds through the collectors and they have nothing left to gain, since it was traded around for months, or even years. If you are a fan, then enjoy the officially released music and the demos and concerts shared here. If you want more, then you need to make your way into the collecting world. It's not easy, but it's the way it works. In the long run, few things will be shared here in comparison to what's out there. Everything isn't going to be handed to everyone on a silver platter. Don't flame me for this. I'm just reporting it as it is.sry but that is really silly! i am also a collector, not queen items but i have a completely different item collection and i know, how hard is it to get rare items. i also spent much money for my collection, - but is that a reason to keep everything for oneself as a secret? well it's just money, and if you have enough you don't care about how much you spent for your collection, - you are just happy that you have your collection complete. btw does it make a song to you worse, when other people also have that? it sounds like you only like your demo song when you are the only one who has it, and when anyone else has it too, it makes that song for you worse. that are the points i don't understand: if you have money, you don't care anymore how much you spent for the collection, you are just happy that you have it yourself, - and when you love the band, you are happy to share you collection so that the fan community grows. well, but again: we can open a new thread continue discussing on this topic, - the thread i started has anything to do with what was written the last 15 posts.... |
| The Real Wizard 31.05.2006 00:31 |
rosedewitt wrote: sry but that is really silly! i am also a collector, not queen items but i have a completely different item collection and i know, how hard is it to get rare items. i also spent much money for my collection, - but is that a reason to keep everything for oneself as a secret? well it's just money, and if you have enough you don't care about how much you spent for your collection, - you are just happy that you have your collection complete. btw does it make a song to you worse, when other people also have that? it sounds like you only like your demo song when you are the only one who has it, and when anyone else has it too, it makes that song for you worse. that are the points i don't understand: if you have money, you don't care anymore how much you spent for the collection, you are just happy that you have it yourself, - and when you love the band, you are happy to share you collection so that the fan community grows.Again, in a perfect world, what you're saying would be absolutely true. But that's not where we are, unfortunately. Consider this: I obtain 3 ultra-rare songs, and I share them online for everyone to enjoy. A month later, I'm offered a fourth rare song in a trade. What can I offer for it? Stupid me shared the three rare songs... oops. That's why things aren't shared until they've made their rounds. There is demand for things that are not easy to get. If it's out there for anyone to get, then it no longer has collectible value. If you don't believe me, that's fine. Nobody's forcing you. But it's the way music collecting has been working for decades. You're not going to be spoonfed the gems. You need to go out there and find them yourself. Collecting music is a long journey. |
| FriedChicken 31.05.2006 05:55 |
Bob is right, And excuse me, but if you ask where you can download or buy Assassin or Face it Alone you can't be that much of a trader. |
| MDNA 31.05.2006 07:14 |
Totaly agree with sir GH. I just got into trading thanks to the Queen Traders Forum that created a place where I can post my trade list and be sure people see it. By the way my nickname there is great_pretender if you want to contact me. Of course I would like to listen to the rae stuff, but I know I will have to be patient. For now I'm quite happy to find people who, just like me, are starting and have small collections. trading with these people is a lot easyer as we almost always have stuff we can trade. In just a few weeks I have completed three trades successefuly, and have three more in progress right now. If you want to get into trading follow these simple tips. Don't be to insistent. If you don't get a reply right away, just whait, people might just be too busy to answer right away. Start trading for the most comon recordings first. that way you can build bonds of trust with people, not to mention that some of the best recordings aren't that rare. I'm perfectly happy right now if I can upgrade a gig I already have on MP3. (Milan 1984 comes to mind right now, have to get those). Trading is suposed to be fun. So HAVE FUN |
| rosedewitt 31.05.2006 10:24 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Again, in a perfect world, what you're saying would be absolutely true. But that's not where we are, unfortunately. Consider this: I obtain 3 ultra-rare songs, and I share them online for everyone to enjoy. A month later, I'm offered a fourth rare song in a trade. What can I offer for it? Stupid me shared the three rare songs... oops. That's why things aren't shared until they've made their rounds. There is demand for things that are not easy to get. If it's out there for anyone to get, then it no longer has collectible value. If you don't believe me, that's fine. Nobody's forcing you. But it's the way music collecting has been working for decades. You're not going to be spoonfed the gems. You need to go out there and find them yourself. Collecting music is a long journey.well we have different opinions then. i think your example doens't work, - when you share your three rare songs and then find a fourth rare one it would work when the person with that 4th song also share his song without any problem, - it would be a queen-fan-community, when they would work together and not against each other. ok, maybe we are not in a perfect world, but it could be an aim trying to reach that vision. FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: Bob is right, And excuse me, but if you ask where you can download or buy Assassin or Face it Alone you can't be that much of a trader.i never said i am collecting music, and i am really not. i was just interested in that demo songs i heard about just to hear, but it doesn't matter at all now, and i really have to say i don't believe that they exist. and i am trading and sharing my queen stuff, and i really don't have a problem to share also the rare things which were hard to get, and there were some i also spent money for. well, you can't say that i'm a bad trader or something like that, i would say that's a kind of an exemplary character, - i love the band and i share my adoration and ecstasy with every queen fan, i don't want to make it hard for any queen fan to listen to the music of the band he adores. MDNA wrote: Totaly agree with sir GH. I just got into trading thanks to the Queen Traders Forum that created a place where I can post my trade list and be sure people see it. By the way my nickname there is great_pretender if you want to contact me. Of course I would like to listen to the rae stuff, but I know I will have to be patient. For now I'm quite happy to find people who, just like me, are starting and have small collections. trading with these people is a lot easyer as we almost always have stuff we can trade. In just a few weeks I have completed three trades successefuly, and have three more in progress right now. If you want to get into trading follow these simple tips. Don't be to insistent. If you don't get a reply right away, just whait, people might just be too busy to answer right away. Start trading for the most comon recordings first. that way you can build bonds of trust with people, not to mention that some of the best recordings aren't that rare. I'm perfectly happy right now if I can upgrade a gig I already have on MP3. (Milan 1984 comes to mind right now, have to get those). Trading is suposed to be fun. So HAVE FUNthanks for your tips :) |
| The Real Wizard 31.05.2006 13:13 |
rosedewitt wrote:That would never, ever happen. If you want to get rare material, you have to play by the rules that have been set by people who came long before us. There is no other way. I wish I could say otherwise.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Again, in a perfect world, what you're saying would be absolutely true. But that's not where we are, unfortunately. Consider this: I obtain 3 ultra-rare songs, and I share them online for everyone to enjoy. A month later, I'm offered a fourth rare song in a trade. What can I offer for it? Stupid me shared the three rare songs... oops.well we have different opinions then. i think your example doens't work, - when you share your three rare songs and then find a fourth rare one it would work when the person with that 4th song also share his song without any problem, - it would be a queen-fan-community, when they would work together and not against each other. ok, maybe we are not in a perfect world, but it could be an aim trying to reach that vision. |
| john bodega 31.05.2006 14:03 |
Sure I'm a collector. I download anything with Queen written on it. That's a collection isn't it??? I guess I'll have to FACE IT ALONE |
| Saint Jiub 31.05.2006 22:51 |
From Queen concerts.com: "Update: due to total lack of my free time I'm NOT accepting any trading proposals. Especially not from die-hard collectors who will rather die instead of giving away their "precious" recording" and who will negotiate with me half a year! Somehow, based on the above quote I suspect that the rare items are rarely being traded ... It has been four years since Monkberry leaked two FM/MJ songs as a download on Queenzone. Unfortunately, Victory was not available for download, and still is not readily available (commercially or otherwise). I guess that over 4 years is not enough time for an item to get traded out??? Of course, I bitch because QP tends to recycle old stuff rather than release archive material. Also, I have no interest in the sport of collecting because I feel it would be too time consuming, too inefficient, too politically frustrating, plus I do not care about lossless. I would rather buy an item than invest my time in trading. |
| roy_fokker 01.06.2006 04:20 |
The problem here is not 'trading' or 'sharing'. Even if someone decided that those rarities have a 'price' (in terms of trading, I mean), before he/she should demonstrate that they exist. Otherwise what would you trade with? Your rarities in exchange of an empty track?? Again: 10 seconds to prove that those songs exist... |
| The Real Wizard 01.06.2006 12:21 |
roy_fokker wrote: The problem here is not 'trading' or 'sharing'. Even if someone decided that those rarities have a 'price' (in terms of trading, I mean), before he/she should demonstrate that they exist. Otherwise what would you trade with? Your rarities in exchange of an empty track?? Again: 10 seconds to prove that those songs exist...The more things are talked about, the more they become "legendary", so to speak... and the more people want them. |
| rosedewitt 01.06.2006 14:43 |
Sir GH That would never, ever happen. If you want to get rare material, you have to play by the rules that have been set by people who came long before us. There is no other way. I wish I could say otherwise.i don't agree, but well, we have different opinions. Zebonka12 wrote: Sure I'm a collector. I download anything with Queen written on it. That's a collection isn't it??? I guess I'll have to FACE IT ALONEdid i say YOU are not a collector? ^^ i just remember i said that ME is not a queen collector... lol....^^ well i don't believe they exist. i could also imagine a nice title for a queen demo song and make the queen fans mad because they don't find it anywhere ;P well and if i ever find a song such face it alone, i'll offer it in rapidshare of course :P |
| Mkls 01.06.2006 16:34 |
You keep coming back telling traders here they are all wrong - if you dont understand how the trading community works - the problem is not with us. As for face it alone - no idea why people want it so badly, the song itself is way below any Queen standard, sounds similar to Brian's "Wilderness", which i havent heard since 1998 due to its dreadful tune...just imo of course. |
| Saint Jiub 01.06.2006 20:51 |
Miklos wrote: You keep coming back telling traders here they are all wrong - if you dont understand how the trading community works - the problem is not with us. As for face it alone - no idea why people want it so badly, the song itself is way below any Queen standard, sounds similar to Brian's "Wilderness", which i havent heard since 1998 due to its dreadful tune...just imo of course.It is typical to question a non-trader why he would want an item. In many cases, traders are also quick to dismiss something as crap when a non-trader request availability of an item. I guess I do not understand the trading community, and why something that has been traded and retraded for over 4 years (Victory etc) cannot be shared. |
| The Real Wizard 02.06.2006 01:12 |
rosedewitt wrote:This has nothing to do with opinions. I am reporting reality as it is. Your opinion or my opinion can't change the way things work!Sir GH wrote:That would never, ever happen. If you want to get rare material, you have to play by the rules that have been set by people who came long before us. There is no other way. I wish I could say otherwise.i don't agree, but well, we have different opinions. Rip Van Winkle wrote: I guess I do not understand the trading community, and why something that has been traded and retraded for over 4 years (Victory etc) cannot be shared.Sometimes I don't understand it either. But if one chooses not to play the game, they remain far behind. |
| Suigi 02.06.2006 13:19 |
The problem with trying to trade for these rarities is that sometimes we don't have anything worthwhile to trade? For those of us who don't have 1st generation bootlegs of concerts, or lossless versions of demos that haven't been leaked all over the Internet, it's nigh-impossible to trade for Face It Alone. |
| Cwazy little thing 02.06.2006 19:47 |
To be honest, if I had enough rarities, of which I have none, Id probably just come on here and say that I'll sell Cd's with them on for £20 a pop provided there was sufficient interest, and that anyone who wants one should email me. Once I was sure that 50 or so people were interested, Id ship off the Cd's, and make a sweet grand or so - awesome. Theres a quality profit out there for someone, lol. Just kidding. |
| john bodega 03.06.2006 00:28 |
"did i say YOU are not a collector? ^^ i just remember i said that ME is not a queen collector... lol....^^" Hey wait, I'm the one laughing at you! I was just making a tiny joke, haha. Gee I wish someone would upload- oh forget it. Haha |
| rosedewitt 03.06.2006 05:03 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Hey wait, I'm the one laughing at you! I was just making a tiny joke, haha. Gee I wish someone would upload- oh forget it. Hahamaybe you think you are funny.... well i don't think so ;P however, i will tell you when i got some rare queen demos to share them with you ^^ LOLLOLLOL |
| CD 21.05.2007 16:54 |
Dear Serry. Your link to getting this song is broken so i was wondering if you could please help me getting this great song by fixing the link or something. Thanks for your time. |
| beautifulsoup 21.05.2007 22:12 |
Whoops. Never mind. Mistake. |
| Micrówave 22.05.2007 12:51 |
Well, I have to side with rosedewitt on this one... but for an entirely different reason. I am not a trader. I have only official releases, a few bootleg concerts, but no unreleased or rare tracks. I'm waiting for the box sets. (Insert joke here) That being said, I did something I wished I hadn't. I went to this "YouTube" and downloaded the MJ/FM State Of Shock. I'm sure at one time this was one of those "rare tracks" that you "collectors" "traded" for, and at one time it was probably a hot item. Then I listened to this "unreleased track". I can't imagine what I would have done if I had paid for this track before listening to it. Utter garbage... as a lot of the unreleased stuff must be. C'mon!!! Mad The Swine sucks. Which one of you plays that loud while driving, singing loud and proud? Soul Brother is a joke. They were just throwing out Queen songs to a simple melody. Human Body? Usually when the Robot Voice comes on, I'm out, as I was here. Lost Opportunity? Bad blues. Sorry Brian, but it's got no vibe to it. Blues needs a vibe. So, rosedewitt, I don't think you're really missing out on anything. Let the "traders" "collect" their "rare tracks". If Queen thought they were any good, they would've released 'em by now. Plus, when your kids place you in that "home" maybe the box sets will be out and we'll have something for all the seniors to listen to. |
| The Real Wizard 22.05.2007 13:07 |
Micrówave wrote: Utter garbage... as a lot of the unreleased stuff must be.You're right... most of the unreleased stuff (that we know about, anyway) is unreleased for a reason, much of which doesn't really offer anything new. But then there are these: Feelings Feelings Silver Salmon We Will Rock You (BBC version) Spread Your Wings (BBC version) Feel Like (early Under Pressure) I Guess We're Falling Out Fiddly Jam (the complete instrumental bit from Hang On In There without fading out) Have you found these tracks? |
| Micrówave 22.05.2007 13:50 |
No, but I've heard them mentioned on here. Let me do my best to guess their relevance:
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Feelings Feelings Silver Salmon We Will Rock You (BBC version) Spread Your Wings (BBC version) Feel Like (early Under Pressure) I Guess We're Falling Out Fiddly Jam (the complete instrumental bit from Hang On In There without fading out)Feelings Feelings - A song so good they named it twice? Sounds like a soft, fuzzy, Freddie song. PASS Silver Salmon - A song about a fish? Gee, sounds great. Give me a Rainbow Trout. PASS We Will Rock You (BBC Version) - So the studio version, live versions, fast live version, Rick Rubin version, and A Capella versions are not enough? PASS Spread Your Wings (BBC Version) - I have Queen At The BEEB, which is alternate takes of songs from Q1 & Q2. Yeah, they're nice, but it doesn't make me feel like I've heard a new song, just a different edit. I have Thick As A Brick Edit #3, Edit #7, Edit #8, Live Edit #11, but I still like listening to the album in full. PASS Feel Like - An early Under Pressure? I didn't like Ice Ice Baby as it was a murdered Under Pressure. I would prefer to leave the song alone. PASS I Guess We're Falling Out - Ok, this is a nice title, maybe this might be worth a listen. Fiddly Jam - Hang On In There sounded like an extra track at release, but now you've got the middle to end without fading? Big Deal. I like the middle part of Stealin', but I don't want to hear 3 minutes of it. PASS |
| Mr. Scully 22.05.2007 14:03 |
Victory isn't on the bootleg market (hence it can't leak), Face It Alone is. As for the statement on my site, it only means that I'm tired of collectors who spend half a year negotiating. I prefer to trade with people I know - these will make me a fair offer and our trade is agreed within a few minutes. Rare items ARE being traded. You can get anything you want as long as you have something interesting to offer. |
| ern2150 22.05.2007 14:23 |
Micrówave wrote: PASSFeel free. You simply don't know what you're missing. |
| DavidRFuller 22.05.2007 16:05 |
[S]Yeah thats what we should do! Let's judge everything by it's title![S] |
| The Real Wizard 22.05.2007 18:01 |
Micrówave wrote: No, but I've heard them mentioned on here. Let me do my best to guess their relevance:You were wrong in every one of your "reviews". I think I can safely say you're not too much of a fan if you're not curious about the top unreleased tracks. Feelings Feelings - A song so good they named it twice? Sounds like a soft, fuzzy, Freddie song. PASSActually, it's a Brian rocker that didn't make NOTW. We Will Rock You (BBC Version) - So the studio version, live versions, fast live version, Rick Rubin version, and A Capella versions are not enough? PASSHalf of it is the fast version, but properly recorded. Way better than any concert version. Spread Your Wings (BBC Version) - I have Queen At The BEEB, which is alternate takes of songs from Q1 & Q2. Yeah, they're nice, but it doesn't make me feel like I've heard a new song, just a different edit.The BBC version sounds a lot more aggressive, especially at the end when Roger doubles the tempo. Worth hearing. Feel Like - An early Under Pressure? I didn't like Ice Ice Baby as it was a murdered Under Pressure. I would prefer to leave the song alone. PASSAgain, you can't be much of a fan if you're not interested in hearing one of Queen's greatest songs in its infancy. Fiddly Jam - Hang On In There sounded like an extra track at release, but now you've got the middle to end without fading? Big Deal.No, I meant that there's an extra couple minutes after the fade-out. |
| Micrówave 22.05.2007 18:17 |
Geez, try to have a little fun with unreleased Queen track names and all the sudden I'm not a fan? I BOUGHT all my Queen Cds. The original UK ones when they weren't available in the states, all the Hollywood re-issues, and every UK & US CD single. I didn't download them for free or trade a CD-R for them. OR BUY THEM USED. It's you traders, who profit from someone else's work that should consider yourselves unworthy of being a fan of the band. I'm sure they (Queen) appreciate the money/collections you profit from without them seeing a dime. And Bob, you should know by now about my music knowledge and who gets my ears' attention. |
| The Real Wizard 22.05.2007 18:18 |
Micrówave wrote: It's you traders, who profit from someone else's work that should consider yourselves unworthy of being a fan of the band. I'm sure they (Queen) appreciate the money/collections you profit from without them seeing a dime.What? You think I've made money off these songs? Who would buy/sell songs that can be easily found online for a free download? You seem to be under the impression that collectors buy and sell their material, but the truth of the matter is, 99.999% of collecting deals are trades, not sales. If the songs were available to buy, I'd be the first one in line. Queen's copies definitely would sound better than mp3s. |
| Micrówave 22.05.2007 18:26 |
Actually, I don't think you sell them, man. It's these bootleg websites and ebay auctions that really get me. And no, if Queen didn't want them officially released, then I'm ok waiting until they are happy with them. When Rhino re-released all the Yes albums, I bought them. The Drama Sessions with Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman were great!!! But hearing a "working demo" of Sound Chaser didn't really do anything for me. Sure, it was fun to hear, but I prefer the final product. Just like Under Pressure. Yeah, I'd love to hear my favorite HS track, Cool Cat, with Bowie AND the rap, but they don't want it out there... so I don't want to hear it. Does that make me less of a fan? No, on the contrary. I think it makes me more like a "pure" fan. |
| The Real Wizard 22.05.2007 18:28 |
We just have differing opinions on the matter, 'tis all. Cheers! |
| Micrówave 22.05.2007 18:36 |
Yes, but great taste in music. |
| beautifulsoup 22.05.2007 22:10 |
Check when this thread was started. Nearly a year ago. Actually, since then, rosedewitt claimed later on in a different thread that she had since paid money for "Assassin" and "Face it Alone" - and that she would soon upload them to her website. Guess what? They ain't there. And I've been checking periodically ever since she announced that she was building her website and would be uploading. So, it looks like she's changed her take on the subject of collecting. |
| The Real Wizard 23.05.2007 00:54 |
Micrówave wrote: Yes, but great taste in music.Absolutely. Who else are you into? Queen and Yes are my favourite bands, but these days I'm also into Muse, Dream Theater, Rush, Genesis, The Who, the Dixie Dregs, and Camel. |
| Nummer2 23.05.2007 04:10 |
He he, that sounds like pure fun: judging Queen songs by their title! Bohemian Rhapsody: A melancholic, but danceable Polka tune. Another One Bites The Dust: A dramatic ballad against war. Killer Queen: A heavy metal shocker about a female serial killer. It's Late: A typical slow and soulful love song. We Will Rock You: A powerful, stomping hard rock anthem ... err ... I guess. |
| Micrówave 23.05.2007 08:28 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: I'm also into Rush, Genesis, The Who...Definitely those three, Jethro Tull, Neville Brothers, Santana (pre-duet crap), Miles Davis, Men At Work/C.Hay, Toto, Petty, Brother, P.Gabriel, Kate Bush, Bowie. All those I have at least 15 CDs or more of. |
| The Real Wizard 23.05.2007 14:10 |
Aha... cool list. I'm slowly getting into Miles Davis, Bowie, and Gabriel too. |
| Micrówave 23.05.2007 17:19 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Aha... cool list. I'm slowly getting into Miles Davis, Bowie, and Gabriel too.Check out Miles' Jack Johnson album. His Rock album. It's a great transition and has a great lineup AND Herbie plays nothing but a Farfisa Organ. There was no piano in the studio at the time. Groovy. Back to the topic. I have since visited youtube and given a couple of these tunes a spin, so please let me amend. Were they worth the listen? Dog With A Bone - God, this is awful. Was there even a structure to this song? The only good points that I enjoyed was when FINALLY Freddie asks for a Brian Solo... and nothing happens, 4 more bars of garbage... then Brian doodles a bit. Also at then end when Freddie calls for "Double-time" I believe Steve Martin appears (from The Jerk) and starts clapping with Fred. I've never heard double time like THAT before. The musicians continue playing in regular time. My Secret Fantasy - I liked the guitar part a bit, but this deserves NOT to be released. There's no verse or chorus, and Freddie just appears to be singing lines he wanted on Cool Cat. Silver Salmon - OK, I liked this one. Great gritty Brian. This would be worth a look at, Mister Box-Set Guy. Cool Cat (with Bowie) - If the reason for not releasing this is because Bowie wants to get paid, then that is funny. What the hell is he doing? Quiet, Dave, we're rolling here. Some of this sounds like clips of Freddie and David just talking. Maybe David was in the crapper humming some oldie and didn't notice a microphone in the sink? Horrible. So 1/4 in my venture into the vaults of Queen. I think I will wait to ever do that again. |
| The Real Wizard 24.05.2007 01:41 |
Yeah, you picked 3 crappy songs and 1 pretty good one.
Check out the others that I recommended on the previous page... especially Feelings Feelings and the BBC Spread Your Wings. If you can't find them, I'd be happy to send them to you.
Micrówave wrote: Check out Miles' Jack Johnson album. His Rock album. It's a great transition and has a great lineup AND Herbie plays nothing but a Farfisa Organ. There was no piano in the studio at the time. Groovy.Yeah, I've got it... love it! Star line-up on that one. |
| Darren1977 24.05.2007 05:00 |
Regarding all the rare tracks listed here i have the majority of them and as "Microwave" says a lot of them are rubbish especially My Secret Fantasy.Cool Cat etc. What i do not have is the elusive Face It Alone and Assassin. If somebody were to copy these on to CD i would be willing to offer up to £100 for this.So come on you people who have these tracks and are willing to do this.I am waiting for your answers |
| The Real Wizard 24.05.2007 11:58 |
Rare songs have collectible value, not dollar value. You can offer thousands and people still won't budge. |
| Darren1977 24.05.2007 13:17 |
Well fuck 'em so, hopefully the band will release there "dirty laundry" as Roger once called it, at some stage rendering all their bloody collections worthless. |
| Micrówave 24.05.2007 13:50 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: You can offer thousands and people still won't budge.Well, now slow down there. How many thousands? I will check out that Feelings tune. |
| The Real Wizard 24.05.2007 18:44 |
DARREN1977 wrote: Well fuck 'em so, hopefully the band will release there "dirty laundry" as Roger once called it, at some stage rendering all their bloody collections worthless.Unfortunately, that will never happen. You see, for years there have been auctions of acetates, acetates which are working versions of songs that the band themselves discarded! Since there are collectors who have stuff that QP doesn't have, there will therefore always be collectors who will want more. Micrówave wrote:I just threw a hypothetical number out there. Some people will not take any dollar value for recordings. But there are some that will, and I've heard stories of people selling a single disc for $2000... and then after receiving the money, they changed their minds and decide they want $3000. The buyer then pays the extra thousand, and then they receive the cd, which turns out to only be partially what was paid for, because the seller had decided the material was actually worth more than that. You get the picture...Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: You can offer thousands and people still won't budge.Well, now slow down there. How many thousands? |
| beautifulsoup 24.05.2007 18:45 |
Micrówave wrote:LOL, you've got a point.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: You can offer thousands and people still won't budge.Well, now slow down there. How many thousands? Everybody has his price. |
| kdj2hot 01.06.2007 17:48 |
Micrówave wrote: Well, I have to side with rosedewitt on this one... but for an entirely different reason. I am not a trader. I have only official releases, a few bootleg concerts, but no unreleased or rare tracks. I'm waiting for the box sets. (Insert joke here) That being said, I did something I wished I hadn't. I went to this "YouTube" and downloaded the MJ/FM State Of Shock. I'm sure at one time this was one of those "rare tracks" that you "collectors" "traded" for, and at one time it was probably a hot item. Then I listened to this "unreleased track". I can't imagine what I would have done if I had paid for this track before listening to it. Utter garbage... as a lot of the unreleased stuff must be. C'mon!!! Mad The Swine sucks. Which one of you plays that loud while driving, singing loud and proud? Soul Brother is a joke. They were just throwing out Queen songs to a simple melody. Human Body? Usually when the Robot Voice comes on, I'm out, as I was here. Lost Opportunity? Bad blues. Sorry Brian, but it's got no vibe to it. Blues needs a vibe. So, rosedewitt, I don't think you're really missing out on anything. Let the "traders" "collect" their "rare tracks". If Queen thought they were any good, they would've released 'em by now. Plus, when your kids place you in that "home" maybe the box sets will be out and we'll have something for all the seniors to listen to.Microwave, your point is invalidated due to your inane ridiclous hyperboles you stated in a pathetic attempt to prove your lil' point. Every unreleased song isn't fingernails on a chalkboard bad. I love Mad the Swine, very good vocal performance from the singer. Which is one of the things I look for on unreleased stuff. Freddie's voice was really in prime shape on that one. I like soul brother too, it's got a lil' bit of white boy oul in it and I love the tongue in cheeks references to their songs to describe Brian May. That's neither here nor there though, the point is if it was Earth shaking stuff it probably wouldve been released. Now I'm not saying it couldnt have been Earth shaking if the proper time was taking working on a particular unreleased track but to me thinking about what could've been is half the fun. Also more examples of Freddie singing and especially when his voice (I'm gonna say it even though I don't classify myself as a gay male) is angelic like on Mad the Swine it makes it more than worth it. (which is properly produced and I love that song. In fact I was driving to it cranked up the other week, I wasn't singing I was just enjoying the singers voice.O |