| greaserkat 23.05.2006 15:37 |
Since theres all this DaVinci Code hysteria going on, i thought it would be appropriate to bring up a topic on something like this. So what do you guys and gals think? Do you think it was possible and do you think it actually happend? I belive that it did happend. I know people are going to say where is the proof, there is prrof and there was a tremendous amount of proof but throughout the hundreds of years the church destryed and burned all material and writtings that they thought did not follow what they thought was right. And about the Priory of Sion, why couldnt famous people from history have belonged to something like this, like DaVinci and Newton? They say they couldnt have because someone like them would have eventually written something about belonging to somwething like that, but DaVinci was someone who was mysterious in his day and was very contraversial during his life with many of his paitings and writings and inventions. Just my opinion, now lets see what your opinion is. |
| Dances With Freddie 23.05.2006 15:40 |
I believe that Jesus was a great guy, that's all. I don't really care if he had a family. He might have had one. I love him anyway ;o) |
| greaserkat 23.05.2006 15:43 |
Yeah, I agree with you, he was probable the best human to have ever lived, too bad we dont have a time machine to go back intime to get everything right and see how everything really went on. |
| M a t i a s M a y 23.05.2006 15:47 |
Yeah, why not? The Bible is a pretty uncertain book, full of crazy stuff and things like that; I really think that the Jesus thing and all that is the only thing that's worth to read, at all. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 23.05.2006 15:57 |
Jesus you ROCK! /m\ *bows* |
| john bodega 23.05.2006 16:00 |
I *am* Jesus. Wow I've got to go to bed, goodnight. |
| greaserkat 23.05.2006 16:06 |
I wonder where Jesus's bloodline is now. Imagine George W. Bush was a descended of Jesus. Am I going to go to hell for saying something like that? |
| greaserkat 23.05.2006 16:13 |
I dont think he would want his love life showing up on the cover of The Sun or National Enquier |
| magicalfreddiemercury 23.05.2006 16:18 |
I recently read an opinion piece somewhere that I thought was interesting. Someone made the comment that if Jesus was married and had children it would have been mentioned time and again. The response was, no, it wouldn't have been mentioned because it was not unusual. What WAS unusual was for a man of Jesus' age to NOT be married and so THAT would have been mentioned as an oddity. IMO, sure he could have been married and fathered a child or children. Why not? I think what gets me most about this (not this thread but the world-wide hysteria) is - Why does it matter? |
| Dances With Freddie 23.05.2006 16:22 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: I recently read an opinion piece somewhere that I thought was interesting. Someone made the comment that if Jesus was married and had children it would have been mentioned time and again. The response was, no, it wouldn't have been mentioned because it was not unusual. What WAS unusual was for a man of Jesus' age to NOT be married and so THAT would have been mentioned as an oddity. IMO, sure he could have been married and fathered a child or children. Why not? I think what gets me most about this (not this thread but the world-wide hysteria) is - Why does it matter?I don't know, I've never understood the fanatics... :/ |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 23.05.2006 16:57 |
greaserkat wrote: I wonder where Jesus's bloodline is now. Imagine George W. Bush was a descended of Jesus. Am I going to go to hell for saying something like that?LMAO! |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 23.05.2006 16:58 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I *am* Jesus.Hiya Jesus, Can you tell me why you made me so damn sexy? :P |
| brENsKi 23.05.2006 17:02 |
the da vinci code is a good read, it's also a lot of fun...with a smattering of fact thrown in for good measure...all in all it works....but so do most conspiracy theories... i think most people should just enjoy the film./book/computer game etc anyhow...if you really want to get into the whole Jesus/Mary Mags thingy...read Holy Blood, Holy Grail...and follow it up with The Last Templar - which is a properly researched book |
| deleted user 23.05.2006 17:10 |
mary magdalene (sp)? was the real Jesus,he just stole the limelight.Na Im messin but I do think there are so many hidden stories that we'll never know.fair play to the man if he was a husband and a father,who cares! |
| Sherwood Forest 23.05.2006 17:10 |
what does it make a difference anyone>? ok yea jesus had a girlfriend what is it going to change??? |
| Sonia Doris 23.05.2006 17:14 |
Yeah, sure. And I am George Bush with pink silk panties... |
| deleted user 23.05.2006 17:15 |
SONIA DORIS<br><font size=1>The Cranky wrote: Yeah, sure. And I am George Bush with pink silk panties...He was wearing purple earlier xD |
| Mr.Jingles 23.05.2006 17:19 |
You know how Jesus has been pictured for 2000 years as a semi-blonde caucasian with green eyes. Well, since Jesus was a Middle Eastern Jewish man, chances are the he was mostly a dark skinned man with the typical physical attributes of a man of the region instead of the lead singer of a metal band. Who know what else has been hidden from us for the thousands of years. If Jesus got married and got some nookie, it doesn't make any difference. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 23.05.2006 17:50 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: You know how Jesus has been pictured for 2000 years as a semi-blonde caucasian with green eyes.Sorta like this? link :-) |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 23.05.2006 18:16 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote:BRIAN MAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :DMr.Jingles wrote: You know how Jesus has been pictured for 2000 years as a semi-blonde caucasian with green eyes.Sorta like this? link :-) He's MY Jesus. |
| Bohardy 23.05.2006 18:59 |
Supposedly he would have looked like this: link link From link |
| Carol! the Musical 23.05.2006 19:10 |
<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote:Whooo-ho-hooooa!! I really thought that was a Jesus impersonator, or something, before I caught on to who it really was...magicalfreddiemercury wrote:BRIAN MAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D He's MY Jesus.Mr.Jingles wrote: You know how Jesus has been pictured for 2000 years as a semi-blonde caucasian with green eyes.Sorta like this? link :-) |
| deleted user 26.05.2006 10:54 |
He could. However, there's no such person as Jesus. You'll be interested to hear that there were supposedly a great many people who did what Jesus did, made the same claim he did, etc. Apollonius and Simon Magus are just two of the more well-known candidates. So, in other words: Jesus is a combination of several people's acts and ideas, combined by a group of dissident Jews we now know as the Apostles. |
| Yogurt 26.05.2006 11:07 |
<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: He could. However, there's no such person as Jesus. You'll be interested to hear that there were supposedly a great many people who did what Jesus did, made the same claim he did, etc. Apollonius and Simon Magus are just two of the more well-known candidates. So, in other words: Jesus is a combination of several people's acts and ideas, combined by a group of dissident Jews we now know as the Apostles.HAHAHA! What a bunch of balogna. |
| deleted user 26.05.2006 11:08 |
Yogurt<br><font size=1>The Artist wrote:Fine. Believe what you wish, and ignore fact. That's what marks the narrow-minded religious nut from the sensible person.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: He could. However, there's no such person as Jesus. You'll be interested to hear that there were supposedly a great many people who did what Jesus did, made the same claim he did, etc. Apollonius and Simon Magus are just two of the more well-known candidates. So, in other words: Jesus is a combination of several people's acts and ideas, combined by a group of dissident Jews we now know as the Apostles.HAHAHA! What a bunch of balogna. |
| Yogurt 26.05.2006 11:15 |
<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:I don't belive that lie you said.Yogurt<br><font size=1>The Artist wrote:Fine. Believe what you wish, and ignore fact. That's what marks the narrow-minded religious nut from the sensible person.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: He could. However, there's no such person as Jesus. You'll be interested to hear that there were supposedly a great many people who did what Jesus did, made the same claim he did, etc. Apollonius and Simon Magus are just two of the more well-known candidates. So, in other words: Jesus is a combination of several people's acts and ideas, combined by a group of dissident Jews we now know as the Apostles.HAHAHA! What a bunch of balogna. Besides, how can you even prove it. The bible is a historical document that has hardley had a change through the thousands of years. They are still the same wording as the scrolls written back in time. So how can you belive something like you said? It doesn't make sense. |
| RETROLOVE 26.05.2006 11:15 |
Let me tell you something, I dont believe it, but that shit is crazy if it is true!!! |
| Yogurt 26.05.2006 11:15 |
The man that wrote the Da Vinci code admitted that what he wrote was fictional. |
| deleted user 26.05.2006 11:28 |
Yogurt<br><font size=1>The Artist wrote:Do you know ANYTHING of Christian theology? Reading this, I doubt it.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:I don't belive that lie you said. Besides, how can you even prove it. The bible is a historical document that has hardley had a change through the thousands of years. They are still the same wording as the scrolls written back in time. So how can you belive something like you said? It doesn't make sense.Yogurt<br><font size=1>The Artist wrote:Fine. Believe what you wish, and ignore fact. That's what marks the narrow-minded religious nut from the sensible person.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: He could. However, there's no such person as Jesus. You'll be interested to hear that there were supposedly a great many people who did what Jesus did, made the same claim he did, etc. Apollonius and Simon Magus are just two of the more well-known candidates. So, in other words: Jesus is a combination of several people's acts and ideas, combined by a group of dissident Jews we now know as the Apostles.HAHAHA! What a bunch of balogna. The canon (what you know as the bible, which actually is the new testament) was put together by early Christian church-fathers. They made a selection from all of the text in circulation at that time. Many gospels were cut out because they were gnostic and not orthodox (the dominant christian sub-group). Apart from that, the earliest of the gospels still dates to some 40 years AFTER the supposed death of Jesus. 40 years of oral tradition would DEFINITELY (not open for debate) have altered it. An example of what happened during the oral tradition: in the oldest gospel, Judas is not villainized. In the newest, he is villainized extremely. In the oldest gospel, the focus is on Jesus, in the newest, it is on Christ. The oldest WRITTEN VERSIONS of the gospels we have date from around 100-150 AD. So nearly a CENTURY after Christ's supposed death. So there AGAIN we have room for editing. Christian theologists agree that the bible reflects not Christianity but the views of dominant groups. Throughout Christian history, several groups have contested over the power of the church. This leads to different gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John reflect Orthodox Christianity, and the likes of Thomas, Peter, Phillip and Mary Magdalene reflect Gnosticism. As for Apollonius and Simon Magus, historic texts about them survive, dating back just as far as the gospels. Simon Magus is actually mentioned in the gospels in a lengthy passage where the authors go to extremes to discredit him. Would they do so if he wasn't a real threat to their religion? As for the gospels, one last word: none of the authors of the gospels knew Jesus. Therefor, they can never have written down his words, which were, as I said, passed on for more than 40 YEARS ORALLY before they were first written down. As you can see, I have more than enough proof. It's you position that cannot be proven. Now I don't really CARE what you believe. That's you business, it doesn't matter. What you believe has no more to do with Christ than a bike does with mathematical mechanics. It's a belief-system, based on ideas represented in your 'Jesus Christ'. Historically, we view Christianity differently. |
| deleted user 26.05.2006 11:31 |
Yogurt<br><font size=1>The Artist wrote: The man that wrote the Da Vinci code admitted that what he wrote was fictional.This has nothing to do with the Da Vinci Code. Dan Brown is a lousy bread-writer of zero literary merrit. He's a no-one. However, he did not think of the theories he presents (which he indeed calls fiction) himself. He actually copied them from a set of works which ARE scientific in nature, of which Holy Blood / Holy Grail is the best-known. |
| Yogurt 26.05.2006 11:39 |
Dude, you do not know how to drop something do you? |
| Daburcor? 26.05.2006 11:45 |
I'm going to get the person who started this topic a hornet's nest for Christmas. |
| deleted user 26.05.2006 12:53 |
Yogurt<br><font size=1>The Artist wrote: Dude, you do not know how to drop something do you?Excuse me? It's a forum-topic. The usual approach to a topic on a forum is to DISCUSS it. If you feel threatened because deep down you know I have a point but are afraid to admit it, that's your problem, not mine. |
| Mr.Jingles 26.05.2006 13:15 |
<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:You sure seem to show a lot of sensibility and open mindness, don't you Caspar?Yogurt<br><font size=1>The Artist wrote:Fine. Believe what you wish, and ignore fact. That's what marks the narrow-minded religious nut from the sensible person.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: He could. However, there's no such person as Jesus. You'll be interested to hear that there were supposedly a great many people who did what Jesus did, made the same claim he did, etc. Apollonius and Simon Magus are just two of the more well-known candidates. So, in other words: Jesus is a combination of several people's acts and ideas, combined by a group of dissident Jews we now know as the Apostles.HAHAHA! What a bunch of balogna. In the same way that there are religious nuts, there are plenty of anti-religious nuts like yourself. This wouldn't be the first time that you come up with a false argument to back your opinions, and people like Zeni have long proven this. What sickens me of both sides (relious and non-religious) is that none of them want to admit that there's no proof of whether what's written in the Bible, the Quaran, the Torah or any other sort of sacred religous text is true or not true. I for once admire any person (religious or not) that respects and appreciates the value of human life and everything else put on this earth. If religion helps people become better human beings, I applaud that, and if the opossite happens then they deserve to be harshly criticized. Each one of us is entitled to believe what they want to believe regarding our origins, or whether there's a God or not. It's all a matter of respect. |
| greaserkat 26.05.2006 13:26 |
Dan Corson wrote: I'm going to get the person who started this topic a hornet's nest for Christmas.Fuck you |
| deleted user 26.05.2006 13:26 |
False evidence? Do you actually have anything to back that up, or is this yet another one of your empty accusations, which are supposed to prove how liberal and open-minded you are? |
| RETROLOVE 26.05.2006 13:46 |
greaserkat wrote:Whoa....Dan Corson wrote: I'm going to get the person who started this topic a hornet's nest for Christmas.Fuck you slowly leaving this thread alone |
| greaserkat 26.05.2006 13:52 |
<B>Jellybean Queen<h6>sweetbodykisses<B> wrote:What?greaserkat wrote:Whoa.... slowly leaving this thread aloneDan Corson wrote: I'm going to get the person who started this topic a hornet's nest for Christmas.Fuck you |
| RETROLOVE 26.05.2006 15:38 |
greaserkat wrote:Joking darling...joking...lol<B>Jellybean Queen<h6>sweetbodykisses<B> wrote:What?greaserkat wrote:Whoa.... slowly leaving this thread aloneDan Corson wrote: I'm going to get the person who started this topic a hornet's nest for Christmas.Fuck you |
| That guy who digs energy domes 26.05.2006 15:45 |
Jesus is the son of God for christ's sake, he can do what he wants |
| RETROLOVE 26.05.2006 15:49 |
Paul McCartney Junior wrote: Jesus is the son of God for christ's sake, he can do what he wantsLOL... |
| That guy who digs energy domes 26.05.2006 15:53 |
<B>Jellybean Queen<h6>sweetbodykisses<B> wrote:I'd bet he'd be pretty good at what he doesPaul McCartney Junior wrote: Jesus is the son of God for christ's sake, he can do what he wantsLOL... |
| Mr.Jingles 26.05.2006 17:00 |
<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: False evidence? Do you actually have anything to back that up, or is this yet another one of your empty accusations, which are supposed to prove how liberal and open-minded you are?No, you're the one who is making the empty acusations. You can give your point of view and show it as what it is... simple theory. There's not an actual fact to back that up, but I won't deny that there's a possibilty that it might be true. |
| 7Innuendo7 26.05.2006 22:17 |
yes, he could have been, even twice. pesher to the wedding at Cana. when Jesus/Yeheshua was called 'Rabbi,' the cultural meaning implies wedding and childbirth. As for 'the Da Vinci Coma,' Dan Brown's prose is flaccid and impotent and carries the stench of a corpse-- {Angels & Demons} works better, and as far as the movie goes, Indiana Jones' Last Crusade & Monty Python's Search are very much worthier examples of the Grail tradition. Shakespeare made an eloquent point about Jesus Christ through the play *Julius Caesar*. Let's face it, Leonardo was the real name, da Vinci just means he was from the village of Vinci. So what if it's true? So what? Knowledge is nothing without love. |
| user name 27.05.2006 05:38 |
The fact that there are so many differing opinions on the topic in a QUEEN message board just proves that there is not enough evidence or proof that leans toward any definite conclusion. Would anyone wish to join me on the S.S. Nobody Cares? |
| Slap the P 27.05.2006 06:12 |
Can't say I wouldn't care if it turned out to be true... Who has created that picture of Jesus that so many people of this earth try to live their lives according to? For what purposes? But until this theory is more than just a theory I guess I could be on your team, Musicman. |
| brENsKi 27.05.2006 08:38 |
<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: He could. However, there's no such person as Jesus. You'll be interested to hear that there were supposedly a great many people who did what Jesus did, made the same claim he did, etc. Apollonius and Simon Magus are just two of the more well-known candidates. So, in other words: Jesus is a combination of several people's acts and ideas, combined by a group of dissident Jews we now know as the Apostles.Casper - you need to separate fact from theory....Jesus DId exist...it's just on what capacity after all, two OTHER (non chorstian) religions recognise him as exisiting and being crucified...and Islam recognises himas a prophet in their beliefs |
| deleted user 28.05.2006 08:00 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Jesus is not recognized as a historical person, as opposed to for instance Muhammed. The earliest 'evidence' of his existance dates to half a century after his supposed death. This makes him a mythical figure, and not a historical one.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: He could. However, there's no such person as Jesus. You'll be interested to hear that there were supposedly a great many people who did what Jesus did, made the same claim he did, etc. Apollonius and Simon Magus are just two of the more well-known candidates. So, in other words: Jesus is a combination of several people's acts and ideas, combined by a group of dissident Jews we now know as the Apostles.Casper - you need to separate fact from theory....Jesus DId exist...it's just on what capacity after all, two OTHER (non chorstian) religions recognise him as exisiting and being crucified...and Islam recognises himas a prophet in their beliefs The point I'm making here is that several people were combined into a single entity and called 'Jesus Christ' by a Jewish sect later called Christianity. |
| john bodega 28.05.2006 08:32 |
Could Jesus have fathered a child? They don't even know for sure if there was a Jesus, it's all conjecture. For all we know, Jesus could have worn a purple wig, maybe that's why they nailed him to that cross. WHO KNOWS... we don't. |
| Daburcor? 28.05.2006 13:55 |
greaserkat wrote:Thanks.Dan Corson wrote: I'm going to get the person who started this topic a hornet's nest for Christmas.Fuck you |
| That guy who digs energy domes 28.05.2006 16:19 |
<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:The only cure for you is Sunday School<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Jesus is not recognized as a historical person, as opposed to for instance Muhammed. The earliest 'evidence' of his existance dates to half a century after his supposed death. This makes him a mythical figure, and not a historical one. The point I'm making here is that several people were combined into a single entity and called 'Jesus Christ' by a Jewish sect later called Christianity.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: He could. However, there's no such person as Jesus. You'll be interested to hear that there were supposedly a great many people who did what Jesus did, made the same claim he did, etc. Apollonius and Simon Magus are just two of the more well-known candidates. So, in other words: Jesus is a combination of several people's acts and ideas, combined by a group of dissident Jews we now know as the Apostles.Casper - you need to separate fact from theory....Jesus DId exist...it's just on what capacity after all, two OTHER (non chorstian) religions recognise him as exisiting and being crucified...and Islam recognises himas a prophet in their beliefs |
| magicalfreddiemercury 28.05.2006 22:19 |
Ravenetta <h6> the QZ hippy</h6> wrote: female: oh god OH GOD jesus: SHUT UP my dad will hear you!ROFL! |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 28.05.2006 22:22 |
"Jesus my saviour, my favourite flavour...." GTA 2 rocks! /m\ |
| brENsKi 29.05.2006 04:51 |
Ravenetta <h6> the QZ hippy</h6> wrote: could you imagine if jesus had sex? female: oh god OH GOD jesus: SHUT UP my dad will hear you! *im going to hell*and not forgetting: woman: "Jeeeezus Christ, how many multiple orgasms can you give me? go on baby, make the earth move again" |
| deleted user 29.05.2006 06:01 |
Paul McCartney Junior wrote:Dude. I'm an atheist, my father is a university graduate of theology and a former professor of comparative religious studies (New York State, don't recall which one, I'll ask him and post it here if you wish), I have picked up a fair bit from him and am studying ancient Hebrew (pretty much the only source of this: biblical texts and commentaries on them), and have been helping a friend of mine who is currently in his third year of university on several subjects relating to Christianity for nearly two years now.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:The only cure for you is Sunday School<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Jesus is not recognized as a historical person, as opposed to for instance Muhammed. The earliest 'evidence' of his existance dates to half a century after his supposed death. This makes him a mythical figure, and not a historical one. The point I'm making here is that several people were combined into a single entity and called 'Jesus Christ' by a Jewish sect later called Christianity.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: He could. However, there's no such person as Jesus. You'll be interested to hear that there were supposedly a great many people who did what Jesus did, made the same claim he did, etc. Apollonius and Simon Magus are just two of the more well-known candidates. So, in other words: Jesus is a combination of several people's acts and ideas, combined by a group of dissident Jews we now know as the Apostles.Casper - you need to separate fact from theory....Jesus DId exist...it's just on what capacity after all, two OTHER (non chorstian) religions recognise him as exisiting and being crucified...and Islam recognises himas a prophet in their beliefs |
| no one but you 28112 29.05.2006 06:38 |
Dan Brown wrote at the begining of that book that everything in his book was fake and that was his imagination so NO, Jesus didn't have kids! |
| john bodega 29.05.2006 10:06 |
greaserkat wrote:I can't believe you got dumped. That girl does not know what she's missing.Dan Corson wrote: I'm going to get the person who started this topic a hornet's nest for Christmas.Fuck you |
| deleted user 29.05.2006 10:50 |
no one but you wrote: Dan Brown wrote at the begining of that book that everything in his book was fake and that was his imagination so NO, Jesus didn't have kids!Are you retarded? Do I need to repeat that it was not Dan Brown who came up with the theory (Dan Brown is an incredibly obtuse bread-writer), but two SERIOUS SCHOLARS, who have quite a point and present rather interesting and convincing evidence? |
| deleted user 29.05.2006 11:15 |
<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:I was watchin a documentry about that actuallyno one but you wrote: Dan Brown wrote at the begining of that book that everything in his book was fake and that was his imagination so NO, Jesus didn't have kids!Are you retarded? Do I need to repeat that it was not Dan Brown who came up with the theory (Dan Brown is an incredibly obtuse bread-writer), but two SERIOUS SCHOLARS, who have quite a point and present rather interesting and convincing evidence? |
| john bodega 29.05.2006 11:32 |
"but two SERIOUS SCHOLARS, who have quite a point and present rather interesting and convincing evidence?" Yeah but it's all bunk. We don't *know* anything, it would be a rash person indeed who'd say "I know for a fact that this happened" when it's all pretty hazy and 2nd hand nonsense. Though I have to laugh at people who look at the Bible as a historical text. It's more like a pyramid scheme gone bad or something. |
| Mr.Jingles 29.05.2006 11:47 |
<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:This is the exact same bullshit as those who criticize the Harry Potter books for using creatures, potions, spells, and other elements of previously written stories of wizardry. J K Rowling just took those same elements and put them on a story of her own.no one but you wrote: Dan Brown wrote at the begining of that book that everything in his book was fake and that was his imagination so NO, Jesus didn't have kids!Are you retarded? Do I need to repeat that it was not Dan Brown who came up with the theory (Dan Brown is an incredibly obtuse bread-writer), but two SERIOUS SCHOLARS, who have quite a point and present rather interesting and convincing evidence? Once again who gives a shit? It's all fiction. |
| deleted user 29.05.2006 11:50 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:It's been a long time, but I actually agree with you here.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:This is the exact same bullshit as those who criticize the Harry Potter books for using creatures, potions, spells, and other elements of previously written stories of wizardry. J K Rowling just took those same elements and put them on a story of her own. Once again who gives a shit? It's all fiction.no one but you wrote: Dan Brown wrote at the begining of that book that everything in his book was fake and that was his imagination so NO, Jesus didn't have kids!Are you retarded? Do I need to repeat that it was not Dan Brown who came up with the theory (Dan Brown is an incredibly obtuse bread-writer), but two SERIOUS SCHOLARS, who have quite a point and present rather interesting and convincing evidence? |
| That guy who digs energy domes 29.05.2006 20:04 |
<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:You just reminded me, when my uncle went to DC to protest the removal of the 10 Commandmets, a guy had a sign that said "Hi Mom! Im an Atheist!"Paul McCartney Junior wrote:Dude. I'm an atheist, my father is a university graduate of theology and a former professor of comparative religious studies (New York State, don't recall which one, I'll ask him and post it here if you wish), I have picked up a fair bit from him and am studying ancient Hebrew (pretty much the only source of this: biblical texts and commentaries on them), and have been helping a friend of mine who is currently in his third year of university on several subjects relating to Christianity for nearly two years now.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:The only cure for you is Sunday School<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Jesus is not recognized as a historical person, as opposed to for instance Muhammed. The earliest 'evidence' of his existance dates to half a century after his supposed death. This makes him a mythical figure, and not a historical one. The point I'm making here is that several people were combined into a single entity and called 'Jesus Christ' by a Jewish sect later called Christianity.<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: He could. However, there's no such person as Jesus. You'll be interested to hear that there were supposedly a great many people who did what Jesus did, made the same claim he did, etc. Apollonius and Simon Magus are just two of the more well-known candidates. So, in other words: Jesus is a combination of several people's acts and ideas, combined by a group of dissident Jews we now know as the Apostles.Casper - you need to separate fact from theory....Jesus DId exist...it's just on what capacity after all, two OTHER (non chorstian) religions recognise him as exisiting and being crucified...and Islam recognises himas a prophet in their beliefs Thanks, I love that picture |
| Togg 30.05.2006 08:11 |
Thomas, whilst you presented your argument well it IS incorrect to STATE that Jesus DIDN'T exist, or at least it cannot be proven he didn't. Just as it cannot be proven he did, as you correctly point out most of the written text staems from at least 40 years after his suposed death, so we will never be able to prove it either way. I enjoyed your posts but you cannot start buy stating he didn't exist, we simply don't and will never know if there was such a person, or persons claiming to be him. |
| Mr.Jingles 30.05.2006 10:46 |
Jesus does exist. Haven't you guys watched his talk show 'Jesus & Pals'? |
| FreMe 30.05.2006 10:52 |
I read this article in a science magazine.. They have a theory, that Jesus was an evil child. Made other kids die, with the power he later on used to heal with.. Souds wicked to me :p |
| rachael mae. 30.05.2006 11:13 |
I think Jesus did exist, but wasn't the Son of God, and the whole thing is just a fabrication. Therefore, to me, it's more than possible that he was married & had kids. :) |
| That guy who digs energy domes 30.05.2006 12:52 |
You cant prove that something doesnt exist, you can only show that it does. Exactly how we got so many commies. |
| Haystacks Calhoun II 30.05.2006 15:21 |
When it comes to BULLSHIT...BIG-TIME, MAJOR LEAGUE BULLSHIT... you have to stand IN AWE, IN AWE of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you. I want you to know, when it comes to believing in god- I really tried. I really really tried. I tried to believe that there is a god who created each one of us in his own image and likeness, loves us very much and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize...something is FUCKED-UP. Something is WRONG here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is NOT good work. If this is the best god can do, I am NOT impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently run universe, this guy would have been out on his all-powerful-ass a long time ago. Trillions and trillions of prayers every day asking and begging and pleading for favors. 'Do this' 'Gimme that' 'I want a new car' 'I want a better job'. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday. And I say fine, pray for anything you want. Pray for anything. But...what about the divine plan? Remember that? The divine plan. Long time ago god made a divine plan. Gave it a lot of thought. Decided it was a good plan. Put it into practice. And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine. Now you come along and pray for something. Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in god's divine plan. What do you want him to do? Change his plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a divine plan. What's the use of being god if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fuck up your plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have; suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? 'Well it's god's will. God's will be done.' Fine, but if it gods will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway; why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me. Couldn't you just skip the praying part and get right to his will? You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons; first of all, I think he's a good actor. Ok. To me, that counts. Second; he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. Doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that god was having trouble with. For years I asked god to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog. Joe Pesci straightened that cock-sucker out with one visit. I noticed that of all the prayers I used to offer to god, and all the prayers that I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answer at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want. Half the time I don't. Same as god 50/50. Same as the four leaf clover, the horse shoe, the rabbit's foot, and the wishing well. Same as the mojo man. Same as the voodoo lady who tells your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles. It's all the same; 50/50. So just pick your superstitions, sit back, make a wish and enjoy yourself. And for those of you that look to the Bible for it's literary qualities and moral lessons; I got a couple other s |
| Mr.Jingles 30.05.2006 16:54 |
LOL George Carlin is awesome. I'm a christian and I find his stand up act hilarious. You don't have to believe everything he says, and you don't even have to TRY NOT TO because the man is quite simply not wishing to shove his ideas down your throat, but he makes you think. |
