deleted user 25.04.2006 09:23 |
i dont use spray paints because it makes it look all tacky but i do use a feltip or tepix just on the doors and the buzor and we just use chalk on the walls no big deal u no. but mary shouldnt take away the flowers and posters she should leave them because they make the door look nice and beautiful. yeah the spray paints ant good but the flowers and cards are! whats wrong with her? she cant take it that people still think of him and vist HIS house! her problem for staying at the house she could of moved but she didnt now she has to live with it all. shame on her really because she has so much coldness to the fans. freddie wouldnt of wanted that i bet he loved all his fans! i will conitue to write on the doors its my way of making a small tribute so YEAH whateverrrrrr mary! |
Togg 25.04.2006 10:16 |
Firstly it was his house, it is now HERS, secondly, "she is so cold to fans" have you met her? No, she is perfectly kind so long as you respect her property. Why should she move, it's her home. Your attitude towards her property is appalling and frankly just displays your level of intelligence. Mary was Freddies closest friend, if you have any respect for him, you should also have some for her, I'm sure he would love the fact that kids scrawl on his old front door, after all it was his sanctuary, a place he went to escape and he was very house proud. How affectionately he must look upon what has become of it. |
its_a_hard_life 26994 25.04.2006 10:27 |
Okay right we get your point, but what about the flowers and cards? That too has to be taken away? Surely that isn't distroying the propity? |
Togg 25.04.2006 10:31 |
Well how long does it have to get left there? at the end of the day it's a public path that has to be kept clear, and after all these years still to come home every night to a bunch of cards and flowers must get bloody frustrating. After someone dies there is an exceptable time to do this, but not year after year. Go pay your respects, but don't mess it up for her and everyone that lives in the road, be respectful it's not a public memorial, it's private property. |
Poo, again 25.04.2006 10:32 |
Why not grafitti? I don't see anything wrong with it as long as they don't spell Freddie's name "Freddie"...! ;) |
its_a_hard_life 26994 25.04.2006 10:37 |
Togg wrote: Go pay your respects, but don't mess it up for her and everyone that lives in the road, be respectful it's not a public memorial, it's private property.I know I am respectful. I know a few of the neighbours that live there actually. Because I come so often they know me and I dont disturb them I'm so quiet and respectable. I like going there even if it is to just stare at the walls and windows. It's just something I have to do, I need to do. I like to clear my mind when I'm there and just relax. Dont ask why, it just gives me comfort to be around that area. I never said she should move out or anything like that. I just pay my respects in a good way. Peace x |
Crazy LittleThing 25.04.2006 10:38 |
I'm always amazed by how seemingly nice people think it's OK to vandalize Garden Lodge. Graffiti is vandalism. From all accounts, it's clear that Freddie loved that place. Do people actually think he would have liked to see messages scrawled all over the walls? Instead of leaving something that someone else has to either clean up or pay to have cleaned up, please respect Freddie's memory and the home that he loved. Please consider NOT spending the time/effort/money, and stay away from this private home. A donation in any amount to the Mercury Phoenix Trust would be a positive way to demonstrate your respect. |
its_a_hard_life 26994 25.04.2006 10:42 |
Crazy LittleThing wrote: Please consider NOT spending the time/effort/money, and stay away from this private home.Please dont tell people to not go. It's they're choice people are aloud to just walk by and vist. I see people walk around that area it's no big deal at all. I wont stop going for no one. I love going and will continue to go. I understand where your coming from about the graffiti which I don't do. Peace x |
vtx 25.04.2006 10:46 |
there wouldnt be a problem if they had given us a proper memorial site.................. |
Breakthru_Sep 25.04.2006 11:13 |
I completely agree with Togg and Crazy Little Thing. I think it was very cool what was done to Freddie's house when he passed away (as featured on the Heaven for Everyone video), a lot of people payed their respects by turning the walls to a piece of art. But after 15 years he passed away spray painting or chalking anything on those walls are pure vandalism, whatever the reason to do so may be. Also I mean no disrespect to anybody here when I say hanging around or spending time near Garden Lodge feels like stalking a little. So I believe people should visit the place with this on their minds, trying not to disturb the residents or not visit at all. People that care for Freddie should show the same amount of care and respect to one of the most important individuals who crossed paths with him. There are MANY ways you can pay your respects to him, without disturbing anyone. Donating to the Mercury Phoenix Trust is a very good example in my opinion. You can buy their albums to contribute also (I know most people do, but there still are many so called fans who listen to pirated copies or mp3's of Queen material). You can light a candle in the church (or do the equivalent according your beliefs). Or you can SIMPLY listen to his songs, and appreciate them, which above all is purely what they're meant for. These are the things, IMHO are what would make Freddie happy. Not disturbing someone of such importance to him like Mary Austin... |
its_a_hard_life 26994 25.04.2006 11:23 |
Like I said before and I will say again, I respect the propity and the neighbours around. I am quiet and nice to them. Peace. |
deleted user 25.04.2006 12:19 |
I agree with Togg and others. It's not Freddie's house anymore. It used to be his. The graffiti, in my opinion is just egotistical on the part of the person making it. I just can't see what's right about writing on someone else's house. Freddie loved the house, eh? How 'bout respecting it (and the law, too). It made me very sad to read how Mary Austin (interview with her) was told something like "she was just the keeper of the house". It's HER house. Maybe she wants to have the rest of her life normally, without the constant "Freddie, Freddie, Freddie!" haranguing her? She's a person too, and it's not her "duty" to do anything for fans. It's also been a long time, and maybe she wants to move on and have a life. |
its_a_hard_life 26994 25.04.2006 12:23 |
She can do so, she is. I am still going to pay my respects anyway. Which wont involve graffti. Peace. |
Togg 25.04.2006 12:32 |
Well I can see that going there once or twice is not an issue, believe me I visited on the day of his death. But considering he died around the same time as your were born I am surprised to say the least that you feel the need to go there so often. He did touch many lives, but maybe you going there all the time is not so healthy, I would try to keep it to a once a year thing if you can and maybe try to move on, if you are looking for a place to sit and think, I can think of many more tranquile places than a London street! Freddie loved many places in his life, you should try to find some of your own. |
its_a_hard_life 26994 25.04.2006 12:45 |
Togg wrote: Freddie loved many places in his life, you should try to find some of your own.I do have some favourite places. Hyde Park is one of them. The International Fan Club. Harrods. The Brixton Accademey. Wembley. And many more.... |
its_a_hard_life 26994 25.04.2006 12:47 |
Togg wrote: believe me I visited on the day of his death.How was that like? I'm interested to know please. What happened while you was there? How many people was there? Did you see Mary or any other person who lived at Garden Lodge? If you can remember it would be nice to know. Peace. |
Thanks 25.04.2006 15:56 |
Burak Sepici wrote: I think it was very cool what was done to Freddie's house when he passed away ... turning the walls to a piece of art. But after 15 years he passed away spray painting or chalking anything on those walls are pure vandalism, whatever the reasonI disagree with the first half. But more importantly, at what point does the switch occur? Is 5 years still art or is it vandalism by then? |
Carol! the Musical 25.04.2006 16:05 |
<font color="#CC66FF">xloveofmylifex wrote: i dont use spray paints because it makes it look all tacky but i do use a feltip or tepix just on the doors and the buzor and we just use chalk on the walls no big deal u no. but mary shouldnt take away the flowers and posters she should leave them because they make the door look nice and beautiful. yeah the spray paints ant good but the flowers and cards are! whats wrong with her? she cant take it that people still think of him and vist HIS house! her problem for staying at the house she could of moved but she didnt now she has to live with it all. shame on her really because she has so much coldness to the fans. freddie wouldnt of wanted that i bet he loved all his fans! i will conitue to write on the doors its my way of making a small tribute so YEAH whateverrrrrr mary!*His* house? It's Mary's house now, and you know it. Freddie left it behind for her. It's not much use to him now. And the way you refer to Mary just prooves to us all what an ignorant jackass you are. Get a life. |
kohuept 25.04.2006 17:30 |
I think you'll be surprised how quickly you get bored. You may not think you disturb anyone, but sitting and staring at someone's house day after day IS disturbing. |
deleted user 25.04.2006 17:38 |
yeah, it's her house and people shouldn't mark up her door. |
Shadowlands 25.04.2006 21:38 |
Me? I'm just amazed that a 15 year-old, whose mother-tongue is English spells and writes so atrociously. I swore, reading the first few posts, that Vicky Pollard was a real person. The tawdry destruction of someone's property with chalk, felt-tips, crayons or whatever, is, on the other hand, not surprising. Not any more. "Yeah but no but yeah but no but wot-eva" |
Togg 26.04.2006 03:53 |
<font color="#FF00CC">its_a_hard_life wrote:eerrr I think you need to find some places that have meaning in YOUR life not just Queen's, You can't just live life through a band or other person you have to create something of your own.Togg wrote: Freddie loved many places in his life, you should try to find some of your own.I do have some favourite places. Hyde Park is one of them. The International Fan Club. Harrods. The Brixton Accademey. Wembley. And many more.... Regarding going there on the day he died, it was one of those times when fortune played a part, I was in London for a meeting and was able to swing by his place and pay my respects. There was a small crowd of people gathered. No photographers as I remember, however as I was leaving a TV crew did turn up. I didn't leave anything or write anything, I justy felt like seeing where he had his last few hours. I left and felt glad I had been there. |
Barcatactic 26.04.2006 07:55 |
I think that it is horrible that you would chalk the house up. It's still vandalism, and its private property you know? |
its_a_hard_life 26994 26.04.2006 12:45 |
Togg I said "And many more" so I have other places that isn't just Queen related, you know? Anyway, that was good of you for visting on that day. I wish I could of.... |
Breakthru_Sep 27.04.2006 03:19 |
Thanks wrote:Ok, it was vandalism then too. But nobody was disturbed by it as far as I know, and the fact that even Queen featured the painted walls in their first video a few years after Freddie's death shows that they don't despise what had been done to the walls at the time.Burak Sepici wrote: I think it was very cool what was done to Freddie's house when he passed away ... turning the walls to a piece of art. But after 15 years he passed away spray painting or chalking anything on those walls are pure vandalism, whatever the reasonI disagree with the first half. But more importantly, at what point does the switch occur? Is 5 years still art or is it vandalism by then? The switch really occurs in my opinion when there's a new owner of the house, one who later has expressed that she is disturbed for what is *still* being done (a few years back) to the walls and the house. Anyway I stand corrected for the first part of my prev. message. It wasn't entirely right back then, but it's entirely wrong today... |
Thanks 27.04.2006 15:44 |
Burak Sepici wrote:Roger used footage of Hitler in a video, and Gary Glitter appears on Magic Years. Do Queen not despise genocide & paedophilia also?Thanks wrote:Ok, it was vandalism then too. But nobody was disturbed by it as far as I know, and the fact that even Queen featured the painted walls in their first video a few years after Freddie's death shows that they don't despise what had been done to the walls at the time.Burak Sepici wrote: I think it was very cool what was done to Freddie's house when he passed away ... turning the walls to a piece of art. But after 15 years he passed away spray painting or chalking anything on those walls are pure vandalism, whatever the reasonI disagree with the first half. But more importantly, at what point does the switch occur? Is 5 years still art or is it vandalism by then? The switch really occurs in my opinion when there's a new owner of the house, one who later has expressed that she is disturbed for what is *still* being done (a few years back) to the walls and the house.Well, the new owner moved in a couple of months later, so in your own opinion you've been a chavvy little vandal from day one. Please accept my congratulations at this impressive volte-face. Isn't it a bit odd that you couldn't figure it all out for yourself? Doesn't that concern you a bit? |
Breakthru_Sep 30.04.2006 07:49 |
Thanks wrote:I don't know what gave you the impression that I was one of the people painting the walls of the house, hence being a "chavvy little vandal" LOL. I just thought the walls looked nice when I saw the Heaven for Everyone video. About the figuring it our for myself part, you're giving yourself way too much credit LOL.Burak Sepici wrote:Roger used footage of Hitler in a video, and Gary Glitter appears on Magic Years. Do Queen not despise genocide & paedophilia also?Thanks wrote:Ok, it was vandalism then too. But nobody was disturbed by it as far as I know, and the fact that even Queen featured the painted walls in their first video a few years after Freddie's death shows that they don't despise what had been done to the walls at the time.Burak Sepici wrote: I think it was very cool what was done to Freddie's house when he passed away ... turning the walls to a piece of art. But after 15 years he passed away spray painting or chalking anything on those walls are pure vandalism, whatever the reasonI disagree with the first half. But more importantly, at what point does the switch occur? Is 5 years still art or is it vandalism by then?The switch really occurs in my opinion when there's a new owner of the house, one who later has expressed that she is disturbed for what is *still* being done (a few years back) to the walls and the house.Well, the new owner moved in a couple of months later, so in your own opinion you've been a chavvy little vandal from day one. Please accept my congratulations at this impressive volte-face. Isn't it a bit odd that you couldn't figure it all out for yourself? Doesn't that concern you a bit? By the way I can't see any reason why you should be rude and impolite when replying to a thread, calling names and stuff, especially when the person you're replying to has solely stated his opinion. I had never engaged in such conversations in QZ (or any message board) before, that's why I won't be replying your posts in this thread anymore. PS- I'm not even replying to your flawed Nazis argument, if you're smart enough you can figure out your mistake by yourself. |
Thanks 30.04.2006 11:13 |
You are correct, there was a incorrect leap of logic I made in equating you with the original poster, possibly based on my own incredulity that there could be so many people who thought writing on walls was justifiable. I thus withdraw the "chavvy little vandal" allegation, and all subtexts that may have implied that you were guilty of any criminal offence. I still say that use of the footage in a Queen vid doesn't legitimise it though, and feel that the Hitler example is actually quite valid. |
Thanks 30.04.2006 11:16 |
As for rude or impolite - it's a thread about defacing the property of others - no mere words of mine could begin to match that level impoliteness, even had I called the original poster a cretinous wankstain, which of course I would never even consider... |
Freya is quietly judging you. 30.04.2006 11:19 |
Shadowlands wrote: Me? I'm just amazed that a 15 year-old, whose mother-tongue is English spells and writes so atrociously. I swore, reading the first few posts, that Vicky Pollard was a real person. "Yeah but no but yeah but no but wot-eva"I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. |
deleted user 30.04.2006 18:01 |
<font color=Violet>Poppy wrote:You think that of practically everyone on this board Poppy..Shadowlands wrote: Me? I'm just amazed that a 15 year-old, whose mother-tongue is English spells and writes so atrociously. I swore, reading the first few posts, that Vicky Pollard was a real person. "Yeah but no but yeah but no but wot-eva"I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. 'You need to work on your grammer, young lady'... |
Freya is quietly judging you. 30.04.2006 18:10 |
<font color=&#FF00CC">Lil*Queenie wrote:Haha..Well.. Only lazy people.<font color=Violet>Poppy wrote:You think that of practically everyone on this board Poppy.. 'You need to work on your grammer, young lady'...Shadowlands wrote: Me? I'm just amazed that a 15 year-old, whose mother-tongue is English spells and writes so atrociously. I swore, reading the first few posts, that Vicky Pollard was a real person. "Yeah but no but yeah but no but wot-eva"I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. |
Thanks 30.04.2006 19:10 |
'You need to work on your grammer, young lady'......and spelling. It's "grammar" |
Carol! the Musical 30.04.2006 20:19 |
Thanks wrote:I was about to make that correction :P'You need to work on your grammer, young lady'......and spelling. It's "grammar" |
Breakthru_Sep 01.05.2006 04:59 |
Thanks wrote: You are correct, there was a incorrect leap of logic I made in equating you with the original poster, possibly based on my own incredulity that there could be so many people who thought writing on walls was justifiable. I thus withdraw the "chavvy little vandal" allegation, and all subtexts that may have implied that you were guilty of any criminal offence. I still say that use of the footage in a Queen vid doesn't legitimise it though, and feel that the Hitler example is actually quite valid.It's nice to see we're on the same grounds. About the Hitler footage, the song Nazis is about how they stink (and about stopping them if not doing anything else LOL). Naturally the video featuring Nazi soldiers and other Nazi-esque stuff backs up the message. In Heaven for Everyone however, it certainly doesn't seem as if they mean to say "look what you've done to Freddie's once lovely house, shame on you!". They show the footage as if to show the world how much Freddie was loved by his fans. It's just that they show the footage as if what had been done at the time was cool. Of course it doesn't legitimize painting on the walls, but it's certainly not the same as the Nazis video. Now there's another issue, I believe the video may have made some (generally younger) fans, unaware of the spray paints and messages chalked on the walls prior to watching the video, getting a wrong message and think "hey, I should draw something on the walls myself too". It is generally the younger fans on QZ who support the vandalism, or always hang out around Garden Lodge and other Queen related spots. I believe the video might have contributed to this a little, though of course the most likely reason is their conscience, solely not being able to see what's right or wrong due to young age (or ignorance, stupidity etc.) |
brENsKi 01.05.2006 07:07 |
i think that perhaps it's_a-hard_life should spend more time in school and less time stalking people's houses. Human beings live in houses for several reasons - privacy being one of them. You wouldn't like someone hanging around outside your house. it's probably only Mary's extremely high tolerance levels and good nature that has stopped her having "stalkers" like you arrested. and if you really do go as often as you claim you do, you should have been arrested years ago! Try listening to teacher in school and you might learn how to spell and how to put grammatically correct sentences together...and on your way home from school one night pop into the local police station and ask the desk sergeant how many times you can hang around outside a house before it becomes stalking...i think you'll find that once the neighbours recognise you and are "nice to you" (your words) - probably because they are shit-scared - then it becomes stalking. |
deleted user 01.05.2006 13:16 |
Thanks wrote:o for fucks sake..the one time i correct someone i make a bloody mistake!'You need to work on your grammer, young lady'......and spelling. It's "grammar" |
bitesthedust 01.05.2006 13:39 |
I visited Garden Lodge last year for the first (and last) time. I did write a message on the door but I don't think that is disrespectful to Mary Austin at all. The walls have been cleaned since the aftermath of Freddie's death but the door hasn't been replaced and the messages are still there. I don't know whether Mary Austin gets tired of people leaving bouquets outside the door or not but if people visiting feel they wish to leave flowers as a tribute to Freddie then that is their right. I'd imagine Mary is glad people still visit the house and pay their respects in a peaceful way, just I like did. I also observed a moment's silence upon arrival and took some photographs. |
Poo, again 01.05.2006 13:41 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: i think that perhaps it's_a-hard_life should spend more time in school and less time stalking people's houses. Human beings live in houses for several reasons - privacy being one of them. You wouldn't like someone hanging around outside your house. it's probably only Mary's extremely high tolerance levels and good nature that has stopped her having "stalkers" like you arrested. and if you really do go as often as you claim you do, you should have been arrested years ago! Try listening to teacher in school and you might learn how to spell and how to put grammatically correct sentences together...and on your way home from school one night pop into the local police station and ask the desk sergeant how many times you can hang around outside a house before it becomes stalking...i think you'll find that once the neighbours recognise you and are "nice to you" (your words) - probably because they are shit-scared - then it becomes stalking.Is it one of those days, Brenski? |
deleted user 01.05.2006 13:42 |
<font color="#CC66FF">xloveofmylifex wrote: i dont use spray paints because it makes it look all tacky but i do use a feltip or tepix just on the doors and the buzor and we just use chalk on the walls no big deal u no. but mary shouldnt take away the flowers and posters she should leave them because they make the door look nice and beautiful. yeah the spray paints ant good but the flowers and cards are! whats wrong with her? she cant take it that people still think of him and vist HIS house! her problem for staying at the house she could of moved but she didnt now she has to live with it all. shame on her really because she has so much coldness to the fans. freddie wouldnt of wanted that i bet he loved all his fans! i will conitue to write on the doors its my way of making a small tribute so YEAH whateverrrrrr mary!translation any body????? |
Thanks 01.05.2006 15:24 |
bitesthedust<br><h6> The QZ gentleman... wrote: I visited Garden Lodge last year for the first (and last) time. I did write a message on the door but I don't think that is disrespectful to Mary Austin at all. The walls have been cleaned since the aftermath of Freddie's death but the door hasn't been replaced and the messages are still there. I don't know whether Mary Austin gets tired of people leaving bouquets outside the door or not but if people visiting feel they wish to leave flowers as a tribute to Freddie then that is their right. I'd imagine Mary is glad people still visit the house and pay their respects in a peaceful way, just I like did. I also observed a moment's silence upon arrival and took some photographs.So it's ok because the although the wall has been cleaned, the door hasn't? Or is it ok because Mary doesn't complain about flowers being left? |
Thanks 01.05.2006 15:30 |
Burak Sepici wrote:OK, but that's why I thought that Hitler was a GOOD example. Although it's obvious that Roger has no affection for Nazis, based on the lyrical content, it's only interpretation that says HFE is not against it.Thanks wrote: I still say that use of the footage in a Queen vid doesn't legitimise it though, and feel that the Hitler example is actually quite valid.It's nice to see we're on the same grounds. About the Hitler footage, the song Nazis is about how they stink (and about stopping them if not doing anything else LOL). Naturally the video featuring Nazi soldiers and other Nazi-esque stuff backs up the message. In Heaven for Everyone however, it certainly doesn't seem as if they mean to say "look what you've done to Freddie's once lovely house, shame on you!". They show the footage as if to show the world how much Freddie was loved by his fans. It's just that they show the footage as if what had been done at the time was cool. Of course it doesn't legitimize painting on the walls, but it's certainly not the same as the Nazis video. Let's do it differently....at the time numbskulls were writing on the door, walls, pavement and probably the road too. Yet the footage that was used in HFE only shows a small section of wall & the door. Does this mean, using your argument that using the footage means it's approved behaviour, that the pavement and the rest of the wall were not approved? Or, (finally I promise), why don't we ask Brian how he feels about the defacing of private property? Judging by how arsey he got about The Donnas "key your Mercedes" line, I'd guess he was against even the slightest idea of it. |
bitesthedust 01.05.2006 15:45 |
Thanks wrote:In terms of the flowers I stand by my original statement. As far as the door is concerned, unfortunately one or two people have been carving their messages onto the door and that is vandalism. I happened to use a pen and wrote as discreetly as possible.bitesthedust<br><h6> The QZ gentleman... wrote: I visited Garden Lodge last year for the first (and last) time. I did write a message on the door but I don't think that is disrespectful to Mary Austin at all. The walls have been cleaned since the aftermath of Freddie's death but the door hasn't been replaced and the messages are still there. I don't know whether Mary Austin gets tired of people leaving bouquets outside the door or not but if people visiting feel they wish to leave flowers as a tribute to Freddie then that is their right. I'd imagine Mary is glad people still visit the house and pay their respects in a peaceful way, just I like did. I also observed a moment's silence upon arrival and took some photographs.So it's ok because the although the wall has been cleaned, the door hasn't? Or is it ok because Mary doesn't complain about flowers being left? |
brENsKi 01.05.2006 16:59 |
graffiti is vandalism - all of it |
Thanks 01.05.2006 19:07 |
lol, even discreet removable graffiti? |
bas asselbergs 02.05.2006 03:12 |
i have been INSIDE the house....and the saddest thing of it all, is actually that Logan Place, has been turned into Logan Prison really....from the outside at the very least...Freddie was a free man there, and very happy untill the end, but after he left us, Mary was so scared of the (aggressive italian) fans, who climbed over the wall, stole lots of things and more from the garden, that she had to protect herself against this madness...and now the place became a prison. Inside however, is this beautiful serene atmosphereand tranquility...peace and quietness...and ofcourse the cats and the lovely little doggy Mary has... I think it is okay to go there every once in a while, but i agree that going there after all these years and write on the door and walls, only to make YOUR point, is stupid and not a respectful thing to do. Want to pay tribute to our hero? Raise money for aids-help or so...organise a huge queenparty, go to the statue in Montreux or so...but don't keep on bugging Mary and her house anymore.... |
deleted user 02.05.2006 09:27 |
bas asselbergs wrote: i have been INSIDE the houseHow did ya be able 2 get in da house? |
Serry... 02.05.2006 11:03 |
He spoke on good English... That's how... |