rosedewitt 19.04.2006 09:22 |
i was thinking about that maybe silly question, - maybe it's just confusing at all. did freddie infected with aids by jim hutton? or jim hutton by freddie? or did they both infected anywhere else and came together like "you have it, i have it, well then we'll have no difficulties in our sexual life"? |
chefman5150 19.04.2006 10:03 |
Freddie infected Jim Hutton... |
MelinaMercury 19.04.2006 10:19 |
chefman5150 wrote: Freddie infected Jim Hutton...Yup sadly.. :( |
magicalfreddiemercury 19.04.2006 10:50 |
MrsMercury2005 wrote:And THEN they used condoms. :-(chefman5150 wrote: Freddie infected Jim Hutton...Yup sadly.. :( |
deleted user 19.04.2006 11:15 |
But it does seem like Jim is one of the rare batch of people who don't develop AIDS at ALL. It's to do with a single gene, a certain mutation of which prevents one from getting AIDS. Interestingly, genetic/historic research has shown that that same gene protected people from the Plague in the dark ages. |
Bono Mercury 19.04.2006 13:32 |
what type of a shit topic is this what type of person would start this discussiongo away and get a life for yourself. |
star 19.04.2006 14:17 |
OH!!!!!! my god !!!!! get lessons about aids,and history of Freddie´s Life, Please don´t do this crap of discussions it´s like do the question Brian made his guitar? give me a break , why don´t talk about concert´s and Music, |
rosedewitt 19.04.2006 14:51 |
i think it's a quite interesting topic. and everyone who's not interested shouldn't read it :P and everybody who wants to talk about concerts&music should start a thread himself :P |
Freya is quietly judging you. 19.04.2006 14:54 |
paul o brien wrote: what type of a shit topic is this what type of person would start this discussiongo away and get a life for yourself.Oh, how knowledgeable you sound. |
TRS-Romania 19.04.2006 15:03 |
<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: But it does seem like Jim is one of the rare batch of people who don't develop AIDS at ALL. It's to do with a single gene, a certain mutation of which prevents one from getting AIDS. Interestingly, genetic/historic research has shown that that same gene protected people from the Plague in the dark ages.Thomas, you are completely right regarding Jim. I am just happy he is around and he is in very good state :) |
brENsKi 19.04.2006 15:21 |
paul o brien wrote: what type of a shit topic is this what type of person would start this discussiongo away and get a life for yourself.usually, i don't like these topics , but - it's proven an interesting topic, without the usual "carcrash rubbernecking mentality" that many similar topics cause, it's been sensitively worded and also caused some genuine reasoned discussion about HIV and why some do/don't get AIDS - so the whole topic has proven itself worthy ok...so ONLY topics YOU aprove of are allowed? - who the fuck died and made you God? grow up, and instead of criticising something that creates genuine intelligent discussion ...come up with your own topic...then we can ALL have a fucking laugh |
Micrówave 19.04.2006 15:26 |
I guess he's the new moderator. |
KillerQueen1429 19.04.2006 15:54 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote:they started usin condoms as a precaution in case Jim didnt already have it , Freddie didnt want him gettin it but then they found out it was too late and Jim had got it.Sad!MrsMercury2005 wrote:And THEN they used condoms. :-(chefman5150 wrote: Freddie infected Jim Hutton...Yup sadly.. :( |
Carol! the Musical 19.04.2006 17:19 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Amen to that, Brenski.paul o brien wrote: what type of a shit topic is this what type of person would start this discussiongo away and get a life for yourself.usually, i don't like these topics , but - it's proven an interesting topic, without the usual "carcrash rubbernecking mentality" that many similar topics cause, it's been sensitively worded and also caused some genuine reasoned discussion about HIV and why some do/don't get AIDS - so the whole topic has proven itself worthy ok...so ONLY topics YOU aprove of are allowed? - who the fuck died and made you God? grow up, and instead of criticising something that creates genuine intelligent discussion ...come up with your own topic...then we can ALL have a fucking laugh |
star 19.04.2006 23:18 |
this is for brenski JAJAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJAJAJAJA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! read about freddie´s life or about aids. freddie has infected around 1980 or 1981 in this years freddie has no idea about Jim ARE YOU HAPPY grow up Kids. |
RETROLOVE 20.04.2006 00:51 |
Now Fred never found out that Jim was HIV positive himself, if I'm not mistaken? |
magicalfreddiemercury 20.04.2006 10:55 |
No, Freddie knew. In fact, he urged Jim to call for the results of the test and was right there when he found out. His response? "The bastards." |
kagezan1313 20.04.2006 11:25 |
star wrote: this is for brenski JAJAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJAJAJAJA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! read about freddie´s life or about aids. freddie has infected around 1980 or 1981 in this years freddie has no idea about Jim ARE YOU HAPPY grow up Kids.Wow, Star, you totally showed Brenski...that you still don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Freddie was infected in 1984, met Jim in 1985, and found out about his illness later that same year, or perhaps in early 1986. Sadly, even those who don't get full-blown AIDS still suffer the long-term brain-wasting effects of the HIV virus, which if I'm not mistaken also effects the spinal column, making people with the virus more and more mentally and physically feeble over the years. |
FreMe 22.04.2006 19:45 |
huh i thought i jnew a lot... didnt know Hutton developed Aids He is dead right? (pleqase dont get angry with me, im not rEALLY that bright XD) |
Aril 23.04.2006 10:24 |
Jim Hutton- isn't the the asswipe that wrote the book about Freddies Last days? I saw it on the shelf one time and picked it up, and the brief passage I read was such a private and embarrasing moment at the end of Freddies life that I almost threw the book in the trash. |
deleted user 23.04.2006 10:30 |
Yes, I agree, that was really private, I don't think Freddie would have wanted that things to be written in a book. It made me cry, I felt awful about his suffering, I wish I had never read it. |
rosedewitt 23.04.2006 10:39 |
i don't believe everything i read, - well jim hutton wrote this book together with a journalist, and this one knows what people want to read and what make them emotional or cry, - so don't believe everything you see/hear/read in the media. |
Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 24.04.2006 00:37 |
I don't really know if you can trust the Jim Hutton book in every way. He implies that Freddie infected him with the virus, but he could be mistaken about that. I don't know. |
MelinaMercury 24.04.2006 08:04 |
I agree! I dont believe everything which is written in the mercury and me book. For example making Mary look like a right old bitch. Yeah okay maybe she might of been a bit out of line perhaps, but who knows..!! I really like Jim Hutton but at least Mary hasnt wrote a book!! xx |
deleted user 24.04.2006 09:37 |
my friend has that book and she says its so sad at the last 2 chapters of the book :( i think all queen biography books are sad at the end..... they have a sad ending not a happy one like some bands |
Velvet Mercury 27.04.2006 04:03 |
I've read a large passage of Jim's book, if not the whole thing, and i found the book very intimate. I'm not sure if Freddie would have agreed with his personal (and ending) life being published for the public to read, but thats not what my question is... Is Jim still living? Or has he also passed away due to AIDS? thanks so much... |
magicalfreddiemercury 27.04.2006 07:05 |
Jim is still living. He's HIV positive but doesn't have AIDS. |
Velvet Mercury 27.04.2006 13:16 |
Gosh im so happy to hear that!! Thanks |
Mike In NY 28.04.2006 13:43 |
It's greaat to see everyone is such a fucking authority on freddie mercury's sex life. Although he may be the best vocalistg of all time, who really gives a shit who, how, and when he got HIV/AIDS. The man is gone!!!!!!!!!!!! All of you people that are going back and forth about what year freddie got infected is so damn stupid. I have heard three differemt years myself and have read the same biographies andd know just as much about queen. But you people need to get a grip on reality and stop living both in the past and vicariously through freddie mercury in describing his sex life as if it were your own. The only person who knows when he got infected and who he infected, if he did in fact infect anyone, is freddie mercury himself....unfortunately the man is no longer here and it is not fair that a fan who read this book or that book speaks in his place. That's just plain fucked up. Nobody on here was personal friends with freddie mercury to where they would speak on the phone so just leave it alone. |
rosedewitt 28.04.2006 14:56 |
nobody has to answer on threads he isn't interested in.... :P |
Duder 16.05.2006 17:06 |
yeah...if you don't like press the back button. It's like hearing a song you don't like. You don't write to the artist and say how much that song sucks. I'm getting really sick of these kind of behaviors.... |
Bambi 16.05.2006 22:42 |
jim did not tell freddie he was hiv positive, he did not want him to know, peter freestone commented in a later interview that he was on a drug cocktail and is doing fine at this point. |
rocks. 16.05.2006 22:49 |
" It's greaat to see everyone is such a fucking authority on freddie mercury's sex life." What I was thinking...does it really matter any more? I mean, 15 years after the fact that he died because of it, and god only knows, and who fucking cares how many years before he had it, the point is, he had it, and he died. If he happened to pass it along to Jim Hutton, well, then...who cares! I dont mean to say that I dont care that people have this disease because I do, but its completely irrelevent to here and now. I feel bad that Jim Hutton has it, but is that relevent? Not really. |
vini3 12.06.2006 14:58 |
The gene that you where talking about is delta 32..When youve got 2 delta 32 genes you cant be effected with hiv...And with one gene Aids is develloping a lot slower!.. |
kdj2hot 12.06.2006 17:04 |
vini3 wrote: The gene that you where talking about is delta 32..When youve got 2 delta 32 genes you cant be effected with hiv...And with one gene Aids is develloping a lot slower!..That delta 32 info just blew my mind. |
~im a fool~ 12.06.2006 17:21 |
i dont think that jims dead. because he had to sign those 400 copies of the killer queen book. that costed like 200 dollars each or something.i dont know does anyone have a programe from the queen+pr concertsL? theres an advertisment for it in there. i cry when i remember that freddies dead and i cant meeet him but theres always a ghost. but lets not get into that subject cause ill have a lot of 'splain'n to do! :( |
tarik 05.11.2007 04:31 |
nobody can answer this,how the hell can anybody know |
deleted user 05.11.2007 15:28 |
star wrote: read about freddie´s life or about aids. freddie has infected around 1980 or 1981 in this years freddie has no idea about Jim ARE YOU HAPPY grow up Kids.Actually, it takes about 10 years for the HIV virus to develop to meet the full definition of AIDS. He was diagnosed in 1987 not with full-blown AIDS but the phase right before it. So, it could have been as early as 1978 when Freddie contracted HIV. |
Barbie Jupiter 05.11.2007 16:00 |
Guys i think it's an interesting and important topic, not because we want to explore Freddie's private life.. Just.. You know, the fact that he died of AIDS made me always really confused, because, though Freddie was a true artist and "dreamer" as he called himself, but i never considered him as a fool, never thought that he would do sth..crazingly reckless and deadly. So i always wondered why it happened?? I didn't know that AIDS was recognised just in 1981. If he knew that unprotected relationships can be so dangerous, it would never happen. So the biggest tragedy of this is not that he died of AIDS, but that he died so unexpectedly and from a little known, brand new fatal disease:S GOsh people can you imagine what a horror it is to find out you have a disease that even hasn't got a name yet and nobody knows how to cure it :/ |
Micrówave 05.11.2007 17:07 |
You know what else is interesting? Digital imagery. Especially when applied to Fractal Geometry. Discuss. |
dawson2 26.03.2008 10:56 |
I thought it was a lovely book that Jim wrote. I can understand why Jim would need to put his feelings down in words as he went from sharing his life with an amazing person, to being left out of most things when Freddie had gone and being on his own with the awful disease. It was sad to hear of him standing outside Freddie's gate with all the other fans just to feel near Freddie and wanting to see the cats he had looked after. He seems like quite a genuine person. I was looking forward to reading this and wasn't disappointed. |
Micrówave 26.03.2008 15:42 |
Bored? You might dig up the Freddie Movie thread. That seems to be making a comeback too! |
dawson2 26.03.2008 16:42 |
No I'm not bored. I just read Jim's book and liked it so did a google search to see if anybody was talking about it. |
dawson2 26.03.2008 17:16 |
I don't usually post here so I was looking through the different posts. |
dawson2 26.03.2008 17:35 |
Do you just come on to be sarcastic Microwave? |
Micrówave 26.03.2008 19:10 |
Well, that's one of my first responses. But I am partial to discussions of all kinds of foods and cultures. I'm not afraid to speak my mind. But I'm willing to give someone a chance, there's just been a lot of "digging up" around here lately. Plus, you saw when the last post was made 4½ months ago, so I just wasn't sure. Treasure Moment IS looking for a new "Guitar Man", so I was jumping to conclusions. But back to your discussion: I didn't really like the fact that Jim Hutton wrote such a detailed book. Some of that stuff should have not been disclosed in any form, that's all. And then you see that he may have a personal vendetta because he wasn't properly "compensated". Plus, did we really need to delve into his personal life so much? What is the fascination? Do people think they're going to discover the secret of Freddie's success or something? |
dawson2 26.03.2008 20:39 |
Well, it just seemed to me that he needed to put his feelings into words and I thank him for sharing it. I'm not an idiot and don't realise it's just his version. What do you call digging up? I can write a reply to an old message if I like. There's no time limit. I don't read these message boards often and they come up during a google search so as far as I'm concerned it was a new message to me. You don't own the boards so don't try and be a dictator. |
dawson2 26.03.2008 20:47 |
It was more of a book about Jim than Freddie and how his life changed and that was what interested me. How a normal everyday person can be a kind of Cinderella. I don't think he gave away too many personal details and when he wrote about Freddie dying it seemed as if he needed to write it down as it was a big moment in his life. Then he had to read about all kinds of untrue things in the press about Freddie. He's ill himself, so maybe he thought he should do it before he goes. |
Micrówave 27.03.2008 11:17 |
dawson2 wrote: You don't own the boards so don't try and be a dictator.A dictator? I wrote: "You might dig up the Freddie Movie thread. That seems to be making a comeback too! " I thought a dictator commanded people with ruthless rule. This was a "suggestion". So you're either ignorant or an idiot. I can't figure it out, nor do I wish to waste the time. Judging from your other recent posts, I'd take the latter. |
dawson2 27.03.2008 14:03 |
Well, I thought the same about your dumb posts. Going on about comparing Elvis to Freddie because of his house, lovers and teeth. You don't seem to have a clue. |
Micrówave 27.03.2008 17:51 |
So YOU would take Jim Hutton over Marilyn Monroe? To each their own. |
tarik 27.03.2008 18:12 |
jim was in the london gay scene a long time before he met freddie, even if freddie had probably more experiences, jim had boyfriends before freddie, jim could have infected freddie, who knows, i know that chances that freddie infected him are higher cause freddie travelled around the world but still, we can't be sure 100% |
can.kafka 07.12.2008 23:18 |
Oh you 21st century bigots!18 years since Freddie Mercury has passed away and you are still looking to blame him or someone for his own tragic death.First off,if we take after Jim's book Freddie was the first one who had the HIV virus and was diagnosed in 1987..but none of this matters.. this was his and there private affair and i am more then sure it dose not! concern any of us..As to the book of Jim Hutton..how many times you lost someone real,real close to you and to this day you still talk about that last days,moments?every single detail,every single word and look.how many of you?I sometimes do just that..I do not belive that the book was ever wrote for public eyes.I belive that he wrote it to/for himself,to hear it out loud,to take it out of his sistem and on to the paper..I also belive that part of him wanted to share it with us because it is not only a Love Stoy,it is his love story!and when one loves another he always has a need to shout that love out..this is a mixture of life situations..so there is no room to judge! I also belive he wanted to share to the world an image of love[not a gay love,or a straight love,just the Love of his life.His last one],that took you into a much darker,less safer place than you are use to.As to Freddie's so called "madness"and carefree life style,boy thouse where 70s and the 80's,everyone that could get it up lived a promiscous life ever since the 60s started,Because There Was NO AIDS!and No HIV virus!,back then.As a fact the first case of Hiv that was recognised in the US was in 1980 and it wasnt a mainstream media circus thing..and in Europe the first case was reported in France in 1983.No one knew about it up untill about 84-85 when the media started to talk more and more about it.And Freddie was diagnosed in late 1987.Also as a fact when Freddie came back from the US he and his mates belived that the virus came from a trendy drug that people did alot at the time..so no one knew about it,no one knew how serious it was.Most of you grew up in the 90s or even later era when the media was filled with Hiv storyes and concerts where held to help the cause.. Jim was Freddie's men,his choise,his love and his husband,thouse of you that cant take that then you didnt understood the first thing about Freddie Mercury the private persona...and Freddie Mercury the Rock God came from inside that humman's dreams and love,fears and hopes,hurt and needs.It always amazes me how people judge an artist private life while not understanding the first thing about the fact that art imitates life,art is life,whatever one sings or acts it has to come from a real thing in his life..As to Marry that is the only thing I never understood,why did he leave her the house?Did you knew that Jim was trown out of Garden Lodge real soon after the funnerals were over?But that is Mr.Mercury decision,and I am not gonna contest his judgments since his every decision,good or bad on the humman scale,made him the miracle that he is.Whether Jim Hutton's book was a good or a bad thing its your own personal thing to decide and its also everyone's decision to read it or not.If you decide to see the good and the bad for one reason alone, I belive it is to understand there true love story,tragic and happy..and Its my personal belive that he put it all down for this last phrase"One minute he was a boy with a gaunt, sad little face and the next he was a picture of ecstasy. Freddie's whole face went back to everything it had been before. He looked finally and totally at peace. Seeing him like that made me happy in my sadness. I felt an overwhelming sense of relief. I knew that he was no longer in pain."We should all be happy that someone knew Freddie,that someone saw him at his best and at his worst and stood by him,and tryed to make him happy to the last moment as best as he could.I do not know Jim Hutton,as I do not know Freddie Mercury,more then you do,but I respect them bought.There is nothing and no one I can think of that I can compare Freddie to,he took his skinny long fingers and put a giant print of beauty,love,hope and lust on this world and changed it into our hearts and minds forever.And Jim?I thank Jim Hutton,for keeping Freddie happy.I leave you all with Freddies words"I want you to Leave it in the lap of the gods". |
john bodega 08.12.2008 00:43 |
Jesus Christ..... |
Brian_Mays_Wig 08.12.2008 01:15 |
It has to be said....Jim has been a very lucky boy. Freddie had a massive cock. |
Marcos Napier 08.12.2008 09:16 |
Freddie Mercury: Liver of life, singer of songs, killer of lovers. |
littlekillerham 10.12.2008 15:16 |
This is a simple version of the true storyFred meets jim, jim gives Fred AIDS, Fred dies, jim lives. Thats why I call jim a scum. |
pma 10.12.2008 17:03 |
As far as how and when and by whom he got G.R.I.D, I think it was Mark Twain who wrote the ultimate biography on Freddy. The run-away sex-slave Jim met Fred on a raft and there they gave each other aid(es). Unfortunate for Jim, they also encountered two conmen, Brain May (The Queen) and Rodger Tyler (The Dick) and these conmen sold Jim, the runaway sex-slave to a Deacon. This is the truth and nothing but the truth, Mariam Ahundova has the insight. |
Angeline 29.07.2009 19:15 |
Zebonka - I found your reply to that rather long, maudlin and poorly punctuated lot of tripe, hilarious. I believe you said 'Jesus Christ'. I have done a lot of research into AIDS from a legal, Human Rights (i.e. equality and inhuman and degrading treatment) perspective and there wasn't even an HIV test until late 1985. I really don't care what anyone's opinion is or what topic they discuss but I do dislike blatant errors being put forward as facts. Also in response to an earlier post - it is not a rigid 10 years from HIV infection to full blown AIDS, it can vary - even to a period as short as 2 weeks depending on the body's natural immune defences and, let's face it, luck, chance and a myriad of factors. So basically do a little bit of research before spewing a load of crap about AIDS. It goes so much beyond Freddie and Jim Hutton. |
john bodega 30.07.2009 04:38 |
Beyond Freddie? Trust me, to the cult here - there's no such thing as 'beyond Freddie'. Hehe. |
PauloPanucci 30.07.2009 13:18 |
both taked bad luck!!!! |
buffypython 30.07.2009 16:07 |
How could someone seriously blame Jim? Whether he was nice or not, if he didn't know he had AIDS, we can't blame him for giving it to Freddie. Also, unless I see some solid proof one way or the other, I don't know who gave it to who. Another thing that's bothering me is that someone on here talked made it seem like promiscuous sex was okay in the 60s and 70s because AIDS didn't exist then. While I agree about AIDS not existing then, plenty of other STDs did exist then, like gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, and hepatitis. (Ask Brian, though he got Hep B from a needle.) I'm wondering, is Jim dead now? If so, how long has he been dead? |
andreas_mercury 31.07.2009 12:55 |
he passed away in 2007, but the news was never made public because he wasnt wanting any queen fans to have anything to do with his mourning. mary austin went to the funeral and I hear deacon did as well. Brian may sent flowers. I got a copy of the programme for his service if anyone wants to see scans. |
MmP 01.08.2009 00:20 |
andreas_mercury wrote: he passed away in 2007, but the news was never made public because he wasnt wanting any queen fans to have anything to do with his mourning. mary austin went to the funeral and I hear deacon did as well. Brian may sent flowers. I got a copy of the programme for his service if anyone wants to see scans. Is that serious? I think Freddie got the illness back in NY in the 70's. Many of his close ones have said it. But I don't want to start on it, it's useless and nonesense at this point. |
marialopez 11.06.2010 13:01 |
Jim Hutton wasn't so naive he also as Mr. Mercury visit gay and both have partners before, (I read his book), that is a mystery becasuse some people is aids positive and not develop the illness, sadly happens to Mr. Freddie Mercury that develop it, so why can't Jim Hutton not affect first Mr. Mercury? Anyway I know he will not tell that is aids, is better say cancer, but for me then is aids-cancer related. He wasn't brave at all! |
lifetimefanofqueen 11.06.2010 15:31 |
Jim Hutton gave Freddie Mercury AIDS then Freddie very sadly dies, then on 1 january 2010 Jim Hutton dies of a smoking illness. This is why I HATE SMOKING!!!!! BUT NO ONE WILL LISTEN TO ME!!!!!!!! THEY TELL ME I'M MAD!!!!!!! they are dum |