| Saint Jiub 12.04.2006 23:58 |
While acquiring various concerts over the years, I occasionally wished I could be spoonfed a filtered list of Queen's best concerts, but I realized it was not practical. Fortunately, the Queenconcerts.com and Queenbootlegs.tripod.com websites, were extremely helpful for determining which concerts to acquire. It just took a little time to wade through all the information. I have rated the boots in the following way: AA++ ... Very enjoyable (Usually Ex- or better, but sometimes VG+) AA ... moderately listenable (VG+) BB ... slightly listenable (VG) DD ... yuck (VG- or worse) I am not including the following concerts as they are officially released: 74-11-20 London 81-11-24and25 Montreal 82-06-05 Milton Keynes 82-11-03 Tokyo 85-01-12 Rio de Janeiro 86-07-12 London 86-07-27 Budapest |
| Saint Jiub 13.04.2006 00:00 |
TOP 75 AA++: 1973-09-13 AA++ London 1973-11-17 AA++ Liverpool 1973-11-29 AA++ Bristol 1974-03-31 AA++ London 1974-04-28 AA++ Portland 1975-03-07 AA++ Milwaukee 1975-03-29 AA++ Santa Monica 1975-04-29 AA++ Shizuoka 1975-05-01 AA++ Tokyo 1975-11-26 AA++ Manchester 1975-12-24 AA++ London 1976-03-29 AA++ Osaka (day) 1976-03-29 AA++ Osaka (night). 1976-03-31 AA++ Tokyo 1976-04-01and04 AA++ Tokyo (2 show combo) 1977-03-13 AA++ Seattle 1977-05-12 AA++ Copenhagen 1977-05-30 AA++ Glasgow 1977-06-06 AA++ London 1977-12-01 AA++ New York 1977-12-11 AA++ Houston 1978-04-13 AA++ Copenhagen 1978-04-23 AA++ Paris 1978-12-01 AA++ Montreal 1978-12-07 AA++ Chicago 1979-02-01 AA++ Cologne (part) 1979-02-28 AA++ Paris 1979-04-19 AA++ Osaka 1979-04-20 AA++ Osaka 1979-05-06 AA++ Sapporo 1979-12-04 AA++ Newcastle 1979-12-26 AA++ London 1980-09-10 AA++ Milwaukee 1980-09-19 AA++ Chicago 1980-11-29 AA++ Essen 1980-12-08 AA++ London 1980-12-14 AA++ Frankfort 1981-02-13 AA++ Tokyo 1981-02-17 AA++ Tokyo 1981-02-28 AA++ Buenos Aires 1981-03-20 AA++ Sao Paulo 1982-04-28 AA++ Frankfort 1982-05-01 AA++ Dortmund 1982-05-12 AA++ Vienna 1982-05-29 AA++ Leeds 1982-06-01 AA++ Edinburgh 1982-07-28 AA++ New York 1982-08-09 AA++ New Jersey 1982-08-13 AA++ Chicago 1982-09-07 AA++Oakland 1982-10-19 AA++ Fukuoka 1982-10-24 AA++ Osaka 1982-10-26 AA++ Nagoya 1982-10-29 AA++ Sapporo 1984-09-02 AA++ Birmingham 1984-09-08 AA++ London 1984-09-14 AA++ Milan 1984-09-15 AA++ Milan 1984-09-18 AA++ Paris 1984-09-21 AA++ Brussels 1984-09-29 AA++ Vienna 1984-09-30 AA++ Vienna 1985-04-19 AA++ Melbourne 1985-05-09 AA++ Tokyo 1985-05-11 AA++ Tokyo 1985-05-15 AA++ Osaka 1986-06-07 AA++ Stockholm 1986-06-11 AA++ Leiden 1986-06-21 AA++ Mannheim 1986-07-09 AA++ New Castle 1986-07-21 AA++ Vienna 1986-07-22 AA++ Vienna 1986-08-03 AA++ Madrid 1986-08-09 AA++ Knebworth |
| Saint Jiub 13.04.2006 00:08 |
Rated AA: 1973-27-11 AA Birmingham 1974-05-07 AA New York 1975-04-19 AA Tokyo 1976-09-18 AA London 1977-05-08 AA Stockholm (BB ???) 1977-05-17 AA Rotterdam 1977-05-23 AA Bristol 1978-04-12 AA Stockholm 1978-04-28 AA Berlin 1978-04-30 AA Zurich 1978-05-02 AA Vienna 1978-12-03 AA Toronto 1978-12-16 AA Oakland 1979-01-24 AA Berlin 1979-02-02 AA Frankfort 1979-02-04 AA Zurich 1979-04-14 AA Tokyo 1979-04-21 AA Kanazawa 1980-06-07 AA Phoenix 1980-07-14 AA Oakland 1980-08-12 AA Hartford 1980-08-26 AA Providence 1980-11-27 AA Leiden 1980-12-13 AA Brussels 1981-02-12 AA Tokyo 1981-03-01 AA Buenos Aires 1982-04-24 AA Leiden 1982-06-02 AA Edinburgh 1982-07-21 AA Montreal 1982-07-23 AA Boston 1984-09-24 AA Berlin 1985-04-26 AA Sydney (AA++ ???) 1986-06-14 AA Paris (AA++ ???) 1986-07-11 AA London 1986-07-19 AA Cologne 1986-08-01 AA Barcelona |
| Saint Jiub 13.04.2006 00:12 |
Rated BB: 1974-04-21 BB New Orleans 1974-11-06 BB Bradford 1974-12-06 BB Cologne 1975-04-23 BB Kobe 1975-12-13 BB Dundee 1976-02-06 BB New York 1976-03-01 BB Milwaukee 1976-04-02 BB Sendai 1977-02-05 BB New York 1977-03-03 BB Los Angeles 1977-12-02 BB New York 1978-10-28 BB Dallas 1979-01-21 BB Dortmund 1981-10-18 BB Puebla 1982-04-16 BB Zurich 1982-05-13 BB Vienna (AA++ ??) 1982-05-18 BB Kassel 1984-09-04 BB London 1984-09-27 BB Stuttgart 1986-06-12 BB Leiden 1986-06-26 BB Berlin (AA++ ???) |
| Saint Jiub 13.04.2006 00:13 |
Rated DD: 1973-11-20 DD Oxford 1973-11-26 DD Manchester 1977-12-05 DD Chicago 1979-04-23 DD Tokyo 1981-03-08 DD Buenos Aires |
| wstüssyb 13.04.2006 00:27 |
Berlin and Paris 1986 should be rated higher,as Berlin is practically ex sound, same with Paris, much better sound then Slane castle and Leiden |
| bohemian 11513 13.04.2006 05:03 |
I agree with William on Berlin 1986... should be rated at least AA! Don´t know about the quality of Paris though... |
| Serry... 13.04.2006 05:34 |
Thanks for researching RVW! |
| bitesthedust 13.04.2006 08:52 |
definitely agree with Frankfurt 82 being AA++... |
| John S Stuart 13.04.2006 11:14 |
Excellent thread. Well researched, thought-out, and executed. It is times like these I am proud to be part of this community, as I have always believed this is the 'sort of thing' Queenzone does so well. It is always useful for fans (both old and new) to have such information at their fingertips. I think I would, by on large, agree with Mr. RVW. However, it has always been the case that the closer to 'source' generally means better quality, so it may be the case that some in here may have an 'excellent' version of a 'poorer' rated concert. I do not think this invalids the thread, as I still think that what we have presented here is a 'general average' - which has been generally fair in it's appraisal, but, it would be nice if some previously unknown or 'poorer quality' material magically turned up - forcing a re-interpretation of the above info. Sadly, I don't think this is going to happen anytime soon though. |
| tilomagnet 13.04.2006 11:49 |
John S Stuart wrote: I think I would, by on large, agree with Mr. RVW. However, it has always been the case that the closer to 'source' generally means better quality, so it may be the case that some in here may have an 'excellent' version of a 'poorer' rated concert.Exactly. This list is pretty much useless, because it doesn't say at all for which particular version of a show the sq rating is given and which one is worth acquiring. I'd say of at least half of those shows there are multiple versions around, at least differently generated versions. Sir GH has compiled a great list of the best version of each Queen show that is available, naming bootleg titles and lineages while this list is just based on highly subjective sound quality ratings. |
| Saint Jiub 13.04.2006 23:55 |
I had a feeling that my ratings of Berlin 86 and Paris 86 were debatable. Next week, I will relisten to Berlin, and my opinion will likely rise. My low opinion may have developed several years ago, because Berlin was my second Magic concert and I compared it unfavorably to Knebworth (and I have not listened to Berlin since). I did relisten to Paris a few weeks ago (as I double checked my ratings of all "AA" concerts then --- and several concerts rose to AA++), but I still rate Paris 86 as an "AA". Maybe my copy is not as good as it could be, or maybe I have bizarre taste. |
| Saint Jiub 14.04.2006 00:07 |
Also, Guitar Hero's site lists his top 25 concerts ... for anyone who wants to take a look: link It appears to me that Bob (possibly because he is a musician?) does value sound quality, but places greater importance on musical performance quality (compared to me anyway). |
| TheGame 14.04.2006 00:39 |
I wonder why you rate 08.05.1977 as AA? It's not better then BB(+) for sure. 13.05.1982 Vienna, is better then BB, same is Berlin 86. Sydney 26.04.1985 is AA++ in my mind. There are others too, but i think it's nice that someone did the work writing this list. |
| Saint Jiub 14.04.2006 01:04 |
TheGame wrote: I wonder why you rate 08.05.1977 as AA? It's not better then BB(+) for sure. (queenbootlegs rates it as almost VG+ -- so it is borderline between BB & AA IMHO) 13.05.1982 Vienna, is better then BB, same is Berlin 86. (queenbootlegs rates it as Ex ... so I must have a bad copy) Sydney 26.04.1985 is AA++ in my mind. (queenbootlegs rates it as Ex ... so perhaps my copy is not as good.) There are others too, but i think it's nice that someone did the work writing this list. |
| Saint Jiub 14.04.2006 01:12 |
In the BB list near the top of this thread, I indicated that my ratings for Berlin 86 and Vienna 82 (13th) are likely inaccurate ... to minimize confusion (at least for me). |
| Thanks 14.04.2006 10:44 |
Jesus, I'm a nitpicker by nature too, but I'm willing to state that this is as good a general guide as you'll get. Some of you wanting individual concerts uprated or even questioning why some concerts were so low need your heads examining. And the list isn't useless - if someone reads this and sees a concert they have in poor quality listed as AA, they know it's worth seeking out again, while if it's lower down they know they've got something close to the best available version. Thanks Rip. |
| John S Stuart 14.04.2006 11:24 |
Thanks wrote: Jesus, I'm a nitpicker by nature too, but I'm willing to state that this is as good a general guide as you'll get. And the list isn't useless - if someone reads this and sees a concert they have in poor quality listed as AA, they know it's worth seeking out again, while if it's lower down they know they've got something close to the best available version.My sentiments exactly, I could not agree more. I would just reiterate that as a general guide it seems fair enough to me. Even Mr. RVW suggests that he is open to revision, and willing to redraft his present ideas – but at least, as it stands, we have a solid foundation to build upon. Also, I find that it is very easy to criticise. (Not that criticism in itself is a bad thing), but there are too many who just sit back and nitpick without any positive suggestions or recommendations to push the work forward. We are all striving for perfection, and we all want the best quality (whether that is from lists or actual recordings it is the same), so it is always welcome when the envelope can be pushed forwards. Perhaps rather than just disagreeing, we could justify reasons as to why this list should be modified, so we end up with the definitive top 75 (or 100) Queenzone boots. Not that I want to take away from the above work, but I am sure that two or three heads ‘helping’ in such a project could come up with such a definitive list. It would still in essence, be the original work, and I still think the original author should retain the credit, but if such small tweaks can bestow the ‘Queenzone seal of approval’, it could be something to think about. |
| TheGame 14.04.2006 11:42 |
Thanks wrote: Jesus, I'm a nitpicker by nature too, but I'm willing to state that this is as good a general guide as you'll get. Some of you wanting individual concerts uprated or even questioning why some concerts were so low need your heads examining. And the list isn't useless - if someone reads this and sees a concert they have in poor quality listed as AA, they know it's worth seeking out again, while if it's lower down they know they've got something close to the best available version. Thanks Rip.I just can't figure you out Thanks, is it bad that other make comments about his ratings? Wasn't this list supposed to be an overview over the best quality available? Well, in my mind, positive critism will make this list even better. If not, I won't bother anymore with this. |
| John S Stuart 14.04.2006 13:39 |
TheGame wrote:Wasn't this list supposed to be an overview over the best quality available... positive critism will make this list even better...Mr. Game: Obviously, you are correct in what you say. In fact, I kind of wrote someting similar, so I find it hard to disagree a with you. John S Stuart wrote: We are all striving for perfection, and we all want the best quality... Perhaps rather than just disagreeing, we could justify reasons as to why this list should be modified, so we end up with the definitive top 75 (or 100) Queenzone boots.However, I think your original mail 'criticises' - but without justification, as all you present is your opinion. TheGame wrote: I wonder why you rate 08.05.1977 as AA? It's not better then BB(+) for sure. 13.05.1982 Vienna, is better then BB, same is Berlin 86. Sydney 26.04.1985 is AA++ in my mind.Now, there is nothing WRONG with your opinion, and I have already stated above 'I find it hard to disagree with you', but, I would find it more useful if you listed some objective reasons for your 'beliefs'. My point is that we can then distill your information into the 'final mix' as it were, thus creating a better 'end product' based on reason, rather than subjectivity. I think we all agree that we have a really good piece of useful research here, which we can all benefit from, but, if it is felt that the need for revision is required, I guess it is up to us to provide the modifications which would eleveate this to list to 'perfection' status. |
| Saint Jiub 14.04.2006 22:38 |
I think the criticism is a good thing, even if it is presented without reasons. I can compare it with other opinions as well as qzboots, queenbootlegs and queenconcerts to see if the opinion could be more reasonable than mine. Already, I have learned to try and find a better version of 82-5-13 Vienna, and to give Berlin 86 another chance. So please keep your concert opinions coming ... even if your concert opinions are as worthless as my concert list - LOL. |
| bohemian 11513 15.04.2006 03:19 |
By the way Rip, let me take this chance to say "thank you" for all those nice concerts you share on the hub. I did download some of your AA++ rated concerts a while ago and they are all (quality wise) very enjoyable to listen to! I realy do appreciate your good work trying to rate them as accurate as possible... thanks!!! |
| Saint Jiub 15.04.2006 11:47 |
Thanks everyone for your kind comments and constructive criticism. I need more constructive criticism. Already, two concerts in this list clearly look like they need to be rated higher. I bet there are at least 10 more concerts in this list that could be rated higher. By all means, please help improve this list to something better than "Greg Brooks accuracy". |
| TheGame 15.04.2006 12:48 |
Mr.Stuart: I do see your point, and i totally agree. People have different gen. and to seperate them, you need to describe why it have the rating it have. Perhaps bad explained, but i understand what you meant. I'll try to explain why some of the concerts have wrong rating: Vienna 13.05.1982: On my bootleg, the sound is very clear and "near". It have very tiny hiss, but the sound picture is still very clear. I'm sure there are a slightly better version out there, so i think AA should be fair to give. It is very enjoyable to listen, and BB is too strict. It is not as good as the date before, but almost. That was give AA++ Stockholm 08.05.1977: This was rated better then vienna, but it have worse quality. Mine is from a low gen, so i'm surprised if the quality is much better then mine. It have some distortion sometimes ( first few tracks), but ok clear ( some sharp)beside that, but you don't get the "close" feeling. Since the most complete version is from different sources with various quality, it shouldn't be rated AA, but BB. Sydney 26.04.1985: This have very clear sound with well balanced sound. Perhaps some lack off bass, but the sound picture ( vocal, drums and no disturbing noises from the audience) is very enjoyable. No tape hiss and no distortion. Much better then stockholm 77, and just as good as many of the AA++ recordings. Hope this explaines why i disagreed with the rating. As i said, take it as positive critism. |
| Rick 15.04.2006 13:09 |
In the end it all depends on what kind of generation recording you own. |
| Bobby_brown 15.04.2006 17:21 |
Well, i find this thread very useful. I just bought today two bootlegs- Manheim 86, and Hammy 75. TOP SOUND- i think they're both from: a) Radio tapes directly, or b) soundboard recording. The sound is that good. The sound of Manheim 86 concert it's more warmer than wembley 86, and in some places beats wembley (i have the ´93 CD). I was about to open a thread with the Question: Wich bootlegs do we know that are either from radio airing or from soundboard recording? These are my top priorities to buy. So, great list. This is going to help a lot! Take care |
| John S Stuart 15.04.2006 19:19 |
TheGame wrote: Mr.Stuart: I do see your point, and i totally agree. People have different gen. and to seperate them, you need to describe why it have the rating it have. Perhaps bad explained, but i understand what you meant. I'll try to explain why some of the concerts have wrong rating:Excellent reply. I am sure that this gives Mr. RVW something to think about. I now look forward to re-reading this polished article in a few weeks time. BTW: As it stands NOW - it still surpasses GB accuracy! |
| Saint Jiub 16.04.2006 00:47 |
I am downloading from the hub different versions (higher bitrate) of Vienna 82-5-13, Sydney 85, and Paris 86. Hopefully, these versions will be better for me and I will be able to rate them as AA++. I listed to Berlin 86 while doing yardwork today. I will listen to it more closely in my car (it's my music haven) on Monday while driving to work. I think I will probably rerate it as AA++. As for Stockholm 77, I marked my list as possibly downgrading it to BB. However, I believe that my AA rating is reasonable, as qzboots and queenbootlegs indicate that the most of the concert is VG+. |
| wstüssyb 16.04.2006 01:51 |
I'm pretty sure you had a different version of Paris 86, as the sound with the un-cut version is atleast a EX- qaulity in terms of sound, maybe the show is not the best but it is quite different from the normal Magic tour setlist with the additions of the extra day-o. Same with Newcastle, a otherwise boring show is upgraded mostly due the qaulity of the sound. |
| YourValentine 16.04.2006 06:45 |
I don't have anything to say but I post anyway hoping that Mr.Stuart calls me Mrs YourValentine since we are all so polite for once:) |
| deleted user 16.04.2006 06:46 |
I also did a list of my ratings. Let me know if you disagree with any of the concerts: EX+: 24.12.1975 London, UK EX: 13.09.1973 London, UK 06.06.1977 London, UK 11.12.1977 Houston, USA 07.12.1978 Chicago, USA 26.12.1979 London, UK 19.09.1980 Chicago, USA 29.11.1980 Essen, Germany 08.12.1980 London, UK 13.02.1981 Tokyo, Japan 28.02.1981 Buenos Aires, Argentina 28.07.1982 New York, USA 07.09.1982 Oakland, USA 24.10.1982 Nishinomiya, Japan 01.09.1984 Birmingham, UK 02.09.1984 Birmingham, UK 29.09.1984 Vienna, Austria 11.05.1985 Tokyo, Japan 15.05.1985 Osaka, Japan 13.07.1985 London, UK 21.06.1986 Mannheim, Germany 28.06.1986 Berlin, Germany 22.07.1986 Vienna, Austria 01.08.1986 Barcelona, Spain 09.08.1986 Stevenage, UK EX-: 31.03.1974 London, UK 07.03.1975 Milwaukee, USA 29.03.1975 Los Angeles, USA 29.03.1976 Osaka, Japan x2 31.03.1976 Tokyo, Japan 13.03.1977 Seattle, USA 12.05.1977 Copenhagen, Denmark 07.06.1977 London, UK 13.04.1978 Copenhagen, Denmark 23.04.1978 Paris, France 28.10.1978 Dallas, USA 01.12.1978 Montreal, Canada 28.02.1979 Paris, France 14.04.1979 Tokyo, Japan 19.04.1979 Osaka, Japan 20.04.1979 Osaka, Japan 21.04.1979 Kanazawa, Japan 14.07.1980 Oakland, USA 10.09.1980 Milwaukee, USA 20.03.1981 Sao Paulo, Brazil 16.04.1982 Zürich, Switzerland 12.05.1982 Vienna, Austria 13.05.1982 Vienna, Austria 29.05.1982 Leeds, UK 01.06.1982 Edinburgh, UK 21.07.1982 Montreal, Canada 13.08.1982 Chicago, USA 19.10.1982 Fukuoka, Japan 26.10.1982 Nagoya, Japan 29.10.1982 Sapporo, Japan 31.08.1984 Birmingham, UK 04.09.1984 London, UK 14.09.1984 Milan, Italy 15.09.1984 Milan, Italy 19.04.1985 Melbourne, Australia 09.05.1985 Tokyo, Japan 07.06.1986 Stockholm, Sweden 14.06.1986 Paris, France 11.07.1986 London, UK 27.07.1986 Budapest, Hungary VG+: 17.11.1973 Liverpool, UK 27.11.1973 Birmingham, UK 28.04.1974 Portland, USA 19.04.1975 Tokyo, Japan 23.04.1975 Kobe, Japan 29.04.1975 Shizuoka, Japan 01.05.1975 Tokyo, Japan 06.02.1976 New York, USA 18.09.1976 London, UK 03.03.1977 Los Angeles, USA 08.05.1977 Stockholm, Sweden 23.05.1977 Bristol, UK 30.05.1977 Glasgow, UK 02.12.1977 New York, USA 12.04.1978 Stockholm, Sweden 28.04.1978 Berlin, Germany 16.12.1978 Oakland, USA 24.01.1979 Berlin, Germany 01.02.1979 Cologne, Germany 02.02.1979 Frankfurt, Germany 23.04.1979 Tokyo, Japan 25.04.1979 Tokyo, Japan 06.05.1979 Sapporo, Japan 18.08.1979 Saarbrücken, Germany 04.12.1979 Newcastle, UK 10.12.1980 London, UK 13.12.1980 Brussels, Belgium 17.02.1981 Tokyo, Japan 18.02.1981 Tokyo, Japan 08.03.1981 Buenos Aires, Argentina 27.09.1981 Caracas, Venezuela 10.04.1982 Stockholm, Sweden 23.04.1982 Brussels, Belgium 25.04.1982 Leiden, Holland 28.04.1982 Frankfurt, Germany 01.05.1982 Dortmund, Germany 03.05.1982 Paris, France 23.07.1982 Boston, USA 09.08.1982 Meadowlands, USA 03.11.1982 Tokorozawa, Japan 18.09.1984 Paris, France 11.06.1986 Leiden, Holland VG: 20.11.1973 Oxford, UK 06.12.1974 Cologne, Germany 30.03.1975 San Francisco, USA 26.11.1975 Manchester, UK 13.12.1975 Dundee, UK 24.03.1976 Himeji, Japan 02.04.1976 Sendai, Japan 04.02.1977 Maryland, USA 10.05.1977 Gothenburg, Sweden 17.05.1977 Rotterdam, Holland 23.11.1977 Philadelphia, USA 19.04.1978 Rotterdam, Holland 17.11.1978 New York, USA 20.11.1978 Philadelphia, USA 30.01.1979 Rotterdam, Holland 04.02.1979 Zürich, Switzerland 12.07.1980 Los Angeles, USA 20.08.1980 Hartford, USA 30.08.1980 Toronto, Canada 23.11.1980 Zürich, Switzerland 25.11.1980 Paris, France 26.11.1980 Cologne, Germany 09.12.1980 London, UK 18.10.1981 Puebla, Mexico 17.04.1982 Zürich, Switzerland 20.04.1982 Lyon, France 24.04.1982 Leiden, Holland 16.05.1982 Hamburg, Germany 18.05.1982 Kassel, Germany 06.08.1982 Detroit, USA 13.05.1985 Nagoya, Japan 05.07.1986 Slane, County Meath, Ireland 30.07.1986 Frejus, France VG-: 21.04.1974 New Orleans, USA 0 |
| bitesthedust 16.04.2006 06:54 |
so there's better versions of Paris and Rotterdam 78 out there than what I have...interesting... |
| Q-Nick 16.04.2006 08:29 |
Regarding the Knebworth show... I'd give it either VG or VG+. Certainly its a nice recording, but the lack of bass and crowd talking decreases the grade slightly. |
| Saint Jiub 16.04.2006 23:31 |
_Tatterdemalion_ ... You have given me a lot of information that will keep me busy for the next few weeks. Thank you. We agree fairly well on most ratings, but there are several concerts where our opinions differ for whatever reason (probably my fault LOL). Because EX- ratings were not common for News of the World and earlier concerts, I consider VG+ for the earlier concerts to be enough for an AA++ rating. I used this "pseudo-rule" when comparing concert ratings. I will first list where my ratings are lower than you ratings: Concert Tatter Rating 1973-27-11 AA Birmingham VG+ ??? 1975-04-19 AA Tokyo VG+ ??? 1976-09-18 AA London VG+ ??? 1977-05-08 AA Stockholm VG+ ??? 1977-05-23 AA Bristol VG+ ??? 1978-04-12 AA Stockholm VG+ ??? 1978-04-28 AA Berlin VG+ ??? 1979-04-14 AA Tokyo EX-- ??? 1979-04-21 AA Kanazawa EX-- ??? 1980-07-14 AA Oakland EX-- ??? 1982-07-21 AA Montreal EX-- ??? 1986-06-14 AA Paris EX-- ??? 1986-07-11 - AA London EX-- ??? 1986-08-01 AA Barcelona EX-- ??? 1975-04-23 BB Kobe VG+ ??? 1976-02-06 BB New York VG+ ?? 1977-03-03 BB Los Angeles VG+ ??? 1977-12-02 BB New York VG+ ??? 1978-10-28 BB Dallas EX-- ??? 1982-04-16 BB Zurich EX-- ??? 1982-05-13 BB Vienna EX-- ??? 1984-09-04 BB London EX-- ??? 1986-06-26 BB Berlin EX ???? 1973-11-20 DD Oxford VG ??? 1979-04-23 DD Tokyo VG+ ??? 1981-03-08 DD Buenos Aires VG+ ??? The following concerts are where I rate concerts higher than you: 1973-11-29 AA++ Bristol G+ !!! 1975-11-26 AA++ Manchester VG !!! 1979-02-01 AA++ Cologne (part) VG+ !!! 1979-05-06 AA++ Sapporo VG+ !!! 1979-12-04 AA++ Newcastle VG+ !!! 1981-02-17 AA++ Tokyo VG+ !!! 1982-04-28 AA++ Frankfort VG+ !!! 1982-05-01 AA++ Dortmund VG+ !!! 1982-08-09 AA++ New Jersey VG+ !!! 1986-06-11 AA++ Leiden VG+ !!! 1974-05-07 AA New York VG-- !!! 1977-05-17 AA Rotterdam VG !!! 1979-02-04 AA Zurich VG !!! 1980-08-12 AA Hartford VG !!! 1982-04-24 AA Leiden VG !!! 1974-04-21 BB New Orleans VG-- !!! 1974-11-06 BB Bradford VG-- !!! 1976-03-01 BB Milwaukee VG-- !!! |
| deleted user 17.04.2006 07:45 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: _Tatterdemalion_ ... |
| Saint Jiub 28.04.2006 23:27 |
Rate Tatter Harry Mr Sc Tranc Hang Guit H Concert 5 EX+ EX EX EX EX EX 1973-09-13 AA++ London 5 EX-- EX EX ------- ------- EX+ 1974-03-31 AA++ London 3 VG+ VG+ VG ------- ------- VG+ 1973-11-17 AA++ Liverpool 3 VG+ VG-- G ------- ------- VG+ 1973-11-27 AA++ Birmingham 3 VG+ VG+ VG VG VG-- VG+ 1974-04-28 AA++ Portland 2 VG VG+ G G G+ VG-- 1973-11-20 DD Oxford 2 G+ VG-- VG ------- ------- VG-- 1973-11-29 AA++ Bristol 2 VG-- VG-- G-- ------- G+ VG-- 1974-05-07 AA New York 1 ------- VG-- VG ------- G VG-- 1973-11-26 DD Manchester 1 VG-- VG-- G+ ------- G VG 1974-04-21 BB New Orleans Rate Tatter Harry Mr Sc Tranc Hang Guit H Concert 5 EX-- EX VG+ ------- ------- EX-- 1975-03-07 AA++ Milwaukee 5 VG+ VG-- VG+ EX VG+ EX-- 1975-05-01 AA++ Tokyo 4 EX-- VG+ VG VG VG+ VG+ 1975-03-29 AA++ Santa Monica 4 VG+ VG+ VG-- VG VG+ EX- 1975-04-19 AA Tokyo 4 VG+ EX-- VG VG VG+ VG+ 1975-04-29 AA++ Shizuoka 2 VG+ VG VG VG VG- VG+ 1975-04-23 BB Kobe 1 VG-- G G-- G G VG-- 1974-11-06 BB Bradford 1 VG VG VG VG VG 1974-12-06 BB Cologne Rate Tatter Harry Mr Sc Tranc Hang Guit H Concert 5 EX+ EX+ EX EX EX EX+ 1975-12-24 AA++ London 5 EX-- EX-- VG ------- EX EX 1976-03-29 AA++ Osaka (day) 5 EX-- EX-- VG EX EX EX-- 1976-03-29 AA++ Osaka (night). 5 EX-- EX EX-- EX VG+ EX-- 1976-03-31 AA++ Tokyo 5 ------- EX-- VG EX EX EX-- 1976-04-01and04 AA++ Tokyo (2 show combo) 4 VG EX VG-- G VG VG+ 1975-11-26 AA++ Manchester 4 VG+ VG G G VG EX-- 1976-09-18 AA London 2 VG VG VG VG VG+ VG 1975-12-13 BB Dundee 2 VG+ VG VG VG G+ VG 1976-02-06 BB New York 1 VG-- VG-- VG ------- ------- VG 1976-03-01 BB Milwaukee 1 VG VG-- VG G G+ VG 1976-04-02 BB Sendai Rate Tatter Harry Mr Sc Tranc Hang Guit H Concert 5 EX-- EX VG VG EX EX-- 1977-03-13 AA++ Seattle 5 EX-- EX VG+ EX VG+ EX 1977-05-12 AA++ Copenhagen 5 VG+ EX-- VG+ EX VG+ VG+ 1977-05-30 AA++ Glasgow 5 EX EX VG+ VG EX-- EX 1977-06-06 AA++ London 3 VG+ VG VG VG VG+ VG 1977-05-23 AA Bristol 2 ------- VG VG+ VG VG VG 1977-02-05 BB New York 2 VG+ VG VG VG VG VG+ 1977-03-03 BB Los Angeles 2 VG+ VG VG VG VG-- VG-- 1977-05-08 AA Stockholm 2 VG VG G ------- VG VG+ 1977-05-10 Gothenburg 2 VG VG VG-- VG VG VG 1977-05-17 AA Rotterdam Rate Tatter Harry Mr Sc Tranc Hang Guit H Concert 5 EX EX EX EX VG EX+ 1977-12-11 AA++ Houston 5 EX-- EX VG EX VG EX-- 1978-04-13 AA++ Copenhagen 5 EX-- EX-- VG+ VG VG+ VG+ 1978-04-23 AA++ Paris 5 ------- EX-- VG+ VG EX-- EX-- 1978-04-30 AA Zurich 4 ------- VG+ VG G VG EX-- 1977-12-01 AA++ New York 4 VG+ EX-- VG VG VG Ex-- 1978-04-12 AA Stockholm 4 VG+ VG+ VG ------- VG+ EX-- 1978-04-28 AA Berlin 4 ------- EX-- VG VG VG VG+ 1978-05-02 AA Vienna 2 VG+ VG VG G G+ VG+ 1977-12-02 BB New York 1 ------- G+ VG ------- ------- VG-- 1977-12-05 DD Chicago Rate Tatter Harry Mr Sc Tranc Hang Guit H Concert 5 EX-- EX VG+ VG EX EX 1978-12-01 AA++ Montreal 5 EX EX EX EX ------- EX 1978-12-07 AA++ Chicago 5 VG+ EX-- VG ------- EX VG+ 1979-02-01 AA++ Cologne (part) 5 EX-- EX VG+ G EX-- EX-- 1979-04-14 AA Tokyo 5 EX-- EX-- VG+ G ------- EX-- 1979-04-19 AA++ Osaka 5 EX-- EX-- EX EX EX-- EX-- 1979-04-20 AA++ Osaka 5 EX EX EX VG EX- EX 1979-12-26 AA++ London 4 EX-- VG+ VG VG ------- VG+ 1978-10-28 AA Dallas 4 VG VG VG VG VG-- EX-- 1978-11-17 New York 4 ------- EX-- G+ G VG+ EX-- 1978-12-03 AA Toronto 4 VG+ EX-- VG+ ------- VG EX 1979-02-02 AA Frankfort 4 EX-- VG VG G VG VG+ 1979-02-28 AA++ Paris 4 EX-- VG VG ------- ------- VG+ 1979-04-21 AA Kanazawa 4 VG+ VG+ |
| Saint Jiub 28.04.2006 23:39 |
Rate Tatter Harry Mr Sc Tranc Hang Guit H Concert 5 EX-- EX VG+ EX EX EX- 1980-09-10 AA++ Milwaukee 5 EX EX EX-- VG VG+ EX 1980-09-19 AA++ Chicago 5 EX EX-- VG+ ------- EX-- VG+ 1980-11-29 AA++ Essen 5 EX EX EX G EX-- EX 1980-12-08 AA++ London 5 ------- EX-- VG-- VG VG+ EX-- 1980-12-14 AA++ Frankfort 5 EX EX EX EX EX EX 1981-02-13 AA++ Tokyo 5 VG+ EX-- VG+ VG VG EX-- 1981-02-17 AA++ Tokyo 5 EX EX-- EX VG EX-- EX 1981-02-28 AA++ Buenos Aires 5 ------- EX-- VG VG VG+ EX 1981-03-01 AA Buenos Aires 5 EX-- VG+ VG VG EX EX 1981-03-20 AA++ Sao Paulo 4 EX-- VG+ VG+ VG VG+ EX-- 1980-07-14 AA Oakland 4 VG+ EX-- VG ------- G+ EX-- 1980-12-13 AA Brussels 4 VG+ VG+ VG+ G VG+ EX-- 1981-03-08 DD Buenos Aires 3 ------- VG+ VG-- VG VG VG+ 1980-08-26 AA Providence 3 ------- VG+ VG-- ------- VG VG+ 1980-11-27 AA Leiden 3 VG+ VG+ G+ ------- VG+ VG+ 1980-12-10 AA London 3 ------- VG+ VG G VG+ ----- 1981-02-12 AA Tokyo 2 ------- VG+ VG ------- ------- VG 1980-07-06 AA Phoenix 2 VG VG VG+ VG VG VG 1980-08-12 AA Hartford 2 VG+ VG G G VG ----- 1981-09-27 Caracas 1 ------- G VG VG ------- G+ 1980-09-29 - New York 1 VG VG VG VG VG ----- 1980-11-23 Zurich 1 VG VG-- VG G VG VG-- 1981-10-18 BB Puebla Rate Tatter Harry Mr Sc Tranc Hang Guit H Concert 5 EX-- EX-- EX-- G VG+ EX-- 1982-04-16 Zurich 5 VG+ EX VG+ VG EX-- EX-- 1982-04-28 AA++ Frankfort 5 VG+ EX-- VG+ G VG+ EX-- 1982-05-01 AA++ Dortmund 5 VG+ VG+ VG+ EX EX-- EX-- 1982-05-03 Paris 5 EX-- EX VG+ EX EX-- EX 1982-05-12 AA++ Vienna 5 EX-- EX VG EX EX-- EX 1982-05-13 AA++ Vienna 5 EX-- EX-- VG+ VG VG+ EX-- 1982-05-29 AA++ Leeds 5 EX-- EX-- EX-- EX EX EX-- 1982-06-01 AA++ Edinburgh 5 EX-- EX VG+ VG VG+ EX 1982-07-21 AA Montreal 5 EX EX VG+ EX VG-- EX-- 1982-07-28 AA++ New York 5 EX-- EX-- VG VG EX-- EX-- 1982-08-13 AA++ Chicago 5 EX EX VG VG VG-- EX-- 1982-09-07 AA++Oakland 5 EX-- EX VG+ EX EX EX 1982-10-19 AA++ Fukuoka 5 EX EX VG+ VG EX EX 1982-10-24 AA++ Osaka 5 EX-- EX-- EX VG EX EX- 1982-10-26 AA++ Nagoya 5 EX-- EX-- VG+ VG EX-- EX- 1982-10-29 AA++ Sapporo 4 ------- Ex-- VG+ VG VG+ VG+ 1982-06-02 AA Edinburgh 4 VG+ EX-- VG+ VG VG+ EX- 1982-07-23 AA Boston 4 ------- VG+ VG+ VG VG+ EX- 1982-07-24 Philadelphia 3 VG VG+ VG ------- VG+ 1982-04-24 AA Leiden 3 VG+ VG+ VG VG VG-- VG+ 1982-04-25 Leiden 3 ------- VG+ VG+ VG VG VG+ 1982-07-27 New York 3 VG+ VG+ G+ VG VG+ VG+ 1982-08-09 AA++ New Jersey 2 VG VG+ VG ------- VG ----- 1982-05-18 BB Kassel 1 ------- VG-- VG-- VG VG ----- 1982-04-17 Zurich 1 VG G+ VG ------- VG ----- 1982-05-16 – Hamburg Rate Tatter Harry Mr Sc Tranc Hang Guit H Concert 5 EX EX-- VG+ EX EX-- EX 1984-09-02 AA++ Birmingham 5 ------- EX-- VG+ EX VG VG+ 1984-09-08 AA++ London 5 EX-- EX EX-- EX EX EX 1984-09-14 AA++ Milan 5 EX-- EX VG EX EX EX 1984-09-15 AA++ Milan 5 VG+ EX VG+ ------- G+ EX-- 1984-09-18 AA++ Paris 5 ------- EX-- VG EX EX VG+ 1984-09-21 AA++ Brussels 5 EX EX EX EX EX EX 1984-09-29 AA++ Vienna 5 ------- EX-- EX-- ------- EX EX-- 1984-09-30 AA++ Vienna 5 EX-- EX VG-- G EX EX 1985-04-19 AA++ Melbourne 5 ------- EX G G VG EX 1985-04-26 AA++ Sydney 5 EX-- EX-- EX-- EX EX EX 1985-05-09 AA++ Tokyo 5 EX EX EX VG EX EX+ 1985-05-15 AA++ Osaka 4 EX-- VG+ VG+ EX VG-- EX-- 1984-08-31 Birmingham 4 EX VG+ VG+ VG ------- EX-- 1984-09-01 Birmingham 4 EX-- VG+ VG VG VG+ EX-- 1984-09-04 BB London 4 ------- VG+ VG-- VG VG-- EX-- 1984-09-20 Leiden 4 ------- VG+ VG+ G VG+ EX-- 1984-09-24 AA Be |
| Saint Jiub 28.04.2006 23:56 |
The above is my latest attempt to rate concerts. After Tatter presented his ratings that did not completely correspond to my ratings, I decided to look up what other fans had published on the web. This list contains the ratings of 7 fans (Tatter, Harry, Trancer, Mr S, Hangman, Tilo Magnet and myself) I compiled the individual ratings into an rough "average" for each concert as defined below: 5 -- Three individual EX--, EX and/or AA++ ratings 4 -- One or Two individual EX--, EX and/or AA++ ratings 3 -- Three individual VG+ and/or AA ratings 2 -- One or Two individual VG+ and/or AA ratings 1 -- All ratings VG or less |
| Saint Jiub 29.04.2006 00:23 |
oops |
| The Real Wizard 29.04.2006 01:13 |
Rip: you rated Bristol 73 and Essen 80 really high! |
| The Real Wizard 29.04.2006 01:28 |
Post removed, since my website is online again. |
| The Real Wizard 29.04.2006 01:29 |
ditto |
| The Real Wizard 29.04.2006 01:29 |
ditto |
| The Real Wizard 29.04.2006 01:30 |
ditto |
| Saint Jiub 30.04.2006 00:22 |
I added Bob's ratings to the ratings lists near the end of page two. As a result, a few concerts moved up in the ratings.
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Rip: you rated Bristol 73 and Essen 80 really high!Essen 80 had three EX-- "votes" in this list so it got a "5" rating From my memory, I think Essen is definitely better than VG+, although I have not listened to it lately. As for Bristol 73, I occasionally put VG+ concerts in my AA++ catagory if I think the concert is somehow special despite its slightly lower sound quality. Three people (including me) saw it as VG+, so it got a "3" rating. I know Bristol 73 has a lot of tape hiss, but the fact that the vocals and music are very clear more than makes up for the hiss IMHO. |
| wstüssyb 30.04.2006 01:53 |
06-xx-86 Leiden - soundboard recording Hmm? |
| Rick 30.04.2006 14:14 |
wstüssyb wrote: 06-xx-86 Leiden - soundboard recording Hmm?Yes it exists and I know someone who has it. But he is a private collector, which means: no trading. |
| The Real Wizard 23.07.2006 19:08 |
<font color=blue>Rick wrote:Well, now we know this one can be put to rest...wstüssyb wrote: 06-xx-86 Leiden - soundboard recording Hmm?Yes it exists and I know someone who has it. But he is a private collector, which means: no trading. |
| pow wow 24.07.2006 04:55 |
The good thing about the rating system is a collector can go looking for a better quality recording KNOWING that it's out there rather than thinking they've got the best available. Well done all..............Keep it up. |