inu-liger 17.03.2006 21:47 |
Read this: link Could this be OUR Roger Taylor involved, or Duran Duran's? |
Serry... 18.03.2006 02:28 |
"Pink Floyd legends Roger Waters and Nick Mason will be joined by Eric Clapton, Roger Daltrey and Roger Taylor for the concert." Depends on how DD's Roger is popular, I guess... If not as such as ours - they'll note he's from Duran Duran. IMHO. |
cmsdrums 18.03.2006 18:41 |
Yes - it's our Roger. Just found it confirmed at another site - link cmsdrums |
Cricket Nutter 18.03.2006 18:48 |
Nick Mason AND Roger Taylor? 2 drummers, and 1 guitarist? Lol Well, maybe one of them is doing some vocals with Daltrey aswell. |
kiko39 19.03.2006 00:07 |
Cricket Nutter wrote: Nick Mason AND Roger Taylor? 2 drummers, and 1 guitarist? Lol Well, maybe one of them is doing some vocals with Daltrey aswell.You mean Taylor doing vocals with Daltrey? That' would rock :D. But I don't know... Mason and Taylor are veeeeery different, I mean I rather have Mason adapting to Roger's style than Roger adapting to Mason's... just because Roger is better though. |
YourValentine 19.03.2006 05:12 |
"A host of ageing rock legends are set to take part in a gig in support of pro-hunt lobbying group The Countryside Alliance" pro-hunt lobbying group - many fans will hate this. I am sure Brian May won't like it, either. Just recently he supported a campaign to protect hedgehogs. |
john bodega 19.03.2006 06:22 |
Pro hunting? My respect for the musicians involved just dropped substantially. |
likecats 19.03.2006 14:38 |
I'm also really disappointed if they're playing a benefit concert to support hunting. |
ok.computer 19.03.2006 14:54 |
Now hold on.... Just because somebody supports the Countryside Alliance, doesn't mean that they are pro-hunting, for fuck's sake. Knee jerk assholes... |
likecats 19.03.2006 15:22 |
ok.computer wrote: Now hold on.... Just because somebody supports the Countryside Alliance, doesn't mean that they are pro-hunting, for fuck's sake. Knee jerk assholes...Yes, I might be a knee jerk asshole, but the Countryside Alliance does appear to support fox hunting, and I don't. |
latina 19.03.2006 15:26 |
I've read in an interview that Roger Waters supports fox hunting. I can't comment about it because I'm not familiar with this tradition. Just wonder how Brian will convincingly explain his campaign while his bandmate foils it... |
ok.computer 19.03.2006 18:53 |
likecats wrote:Yes it does. And no I don't either. However:ok.computer wrote: Now hold on.... Just because somebody supports the Countryside Alliance, doesn't mean that they are pro-hunting, for fuck's sake. Knee jerk assholes...Yes, I might be a knee jerk asshole, but the Countryside Alliance does appear to support fox hunting, and I don't. "The Countryside Alliance works for everyone who loves the countryside and the rural way of life. Through campaigning, lobbying, publicity and education the Alliance influences legislation and public policy that impacts on the countryside, rural people and their activities. The Alliance campaigns on a wide range of rural issues under the headings: food, environment and rural affairs hunting shooting angling" In Northern Ireland it also looks at issues such as farm diversification, rural employment issues, isolation and peripherality, farm subsidies, food miles, environmental threats....I could go on. The Countryside Alliance is only ever on the news because of hunting. But that represents about one twentieth of their lobbying work. Ultimately, it's about preservation of the rural environment. So when Roger says "I did it because I love chasing wee foxes across miles of country with horses and some very nasty hounds" then we can let people drop the musicians in their esteem. People on here are starting to sound like Daily Mail readers...."No I haven't seen Springer the Opera myself, but I'm outraged anyway." |
Haystacks Calhoun 19.03.2006 19:10 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Pro hunting? My respect for the musicians involved just dropped substantially.Oh, go cry. |
john bodega 19.03.2006 21:55 |
"Just because somebody supports the Countryside Alliance, doesn't mean that they are pro-hunting, for fuck's sake. Knee jerk assholes..." This is a boneheaded thing to say. If you perform for people who patronise or associate a particular organisation, that's endorsal. "Oh, go cry." Hahahah, I don't get mad, I get even - even more mad. Honestly, I went to bed, and while I was asleep the entire readership of this forum went down to the beach and put sand in their vaginas. Get your parents to explain this- It doesn't *really* bother me that much if they want to play golf with a few hedgehogs, but I just happen to disagree with the manner in which they're dealt with. You are a slubberdagolian. |
jcrawford79 20.03.2006 01:15 |
God forbid our favorite musicians don't strictly adhere to their fans' moral values. I guess this just makes Roger a self-serving asshole. Damn him for having his own opinion. |
mike hunt 20.03.2006 02:14 |
no one is saying he shouldn't have an a opinion. The more I learn about roger taylor, The more I don't like him and his stupid opinions. |
YourValentine 20.03.2006 02:36 |
I did not see someone call Roger an asshole. I did see ok computer call other people assholes because they have an opinion about this gig. The CA is notorious for fighting the law against fox hunting in England. I think it's legitimate to point out that performing in a CA campaign won't make Roger the most popular artist of the year. |
Haystacks Calhoun 20.03.2006 09:47 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Just because somebody supports the Countryside Alliance, doesn't mean that they are pro-hunting, for fuck's sake. Knee jerk assholes..." This is a boneheaded thing to say. If you perform for people who patronise or associate a particular organisation, that's endorsal. "Oh, go cry." Hahahah, I don't get mad, I get even - even more mad. Honestly, I went to bed, and while I was asleep the entire readership of this forum went down to the beach and put sand in their vaginas. Get your parents to explain this- It doesn't *really* bother me that much if they want to play golf with a few hedgehogs, but I just happen to disagree with the manner in which they're dealt with. You are a slubberdagolian.If I only liked musicians and actors and the like that were lock step in support of the same things that I am, and were in lock step support politically to the parties that I endorse...... I'd be left listening to Ted Nugent, and a whole lot of Country....I personally am not a hunter, unless I need to kill for food, I see no point. That said, I have no problem if others choose to hunt. Is slubberdagolian even a real word? |
john bodega 20.03.2006 10:23 |
"If I only liked musicians and actors and the like that were lock step in support of the same things that I am, and were in lock step support politically to the parties that I endorse......" I can appreciate your attitude, but you misunderstood me. I said my respect for them (as human beings) dropped. I never said I'd be a total sissy and boycott their music. I like to keep my music and my politics apart from each other. "I'd be left listening to Ted Nugent, and a whole lot of Country....I personally am not a hunter, unless I need to kill for food, I see no point. That said, I have no problem if others choose to hunt." I took issue with the manner in which they do it, not necessarily with the environmental issues with the animal in question. "Is slubberdagolian even a real word?" It's an insult from Stronghold - basically, you hit a button in a multiplayer game, and this medieval guy shouts at your opponent 'slubberdagolian' or 'popinjay'. Probably not real, but that makes no never mind to me. I hope I've cleared things up, good day sir. |
Bohardy 20.03.2006 10:28 |
link link link |
ok.computer 20.03.2006 14:41 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Just because somebody supports the Countryside Alliance, doesn't mean that they are pro-hunting, for fuck's sake. Knee jerk assholes..." This is a boneheaded thing to say. If you perform for people who patronise or associate a particular organisation, that's endorsal.I hate dragging it to the level of Amerika. However... Do you think when Springsteen or Fleetwood Mac performed for the Democrats, it was to endorse their tax reforms or environmental protection policy? No. It was really just to get the Evangelist out of the Shite House. Same principle applies here. I'll repeat it again, because I fear you missed it in a later post in your rush to insult someone...indeed, anyone. As i reiterated later: when Rog endorses hunting, then we can get on whatever steed happens to be carrying the high moral position, and scowl down at our favourite jowly skin-smasher. You wear the angry young antipodean guitarrista image well. But it's wearing thin at the knees. Good word usage by the way. But you really should get out more. |
Haystacks Calhoun 20.03.2006 17:18 |
Exactly. I do not agree with Bruce Springsteen's politics, but I still RESPECT him, both as an artist, and a human. |
john bodega 20.03.2006 22:10 |
"Do you think when Springsteen or Fleetwood Mac performed for the Democrats, it was to endorse their tax reforms or environmental protection policy?" That might not have been their intent. But really, you play for someone, that puts your name on it. All or nothing - basically, I just think musicians shouldn't fuck with politics. What if he's on the stage and said candidate walks out and says "now let's send more troops to Iraq in 2008!" and the crowd goes crazy, but the musician happens to disagree on that one score... What's he supposed to say? "Uh.... I didn't agree on that one particular item...". It's just stupid. Meaningless. "As i reiterated later: when Rog endorses hunting, then we can get on whatever steed happens to be carrying the high moral position, and scowl down at our favourite jowly skin-smasher." You and Mr. Calhoun don't know what you're talking about when you tell me I'm after moral highground and that I want to scowl at my favourite drummer... I just said my opinion of someone goes down a little when they associate with something I find to be slightly bullshit. I absolutely never said I'd burn my Queen LP's so you're both completely out of line, so I responded in kind. "You wear the angry young antipodean guitarrista image well. But it's wearing thin at the knees." Oh here we fucking go... I don't wear an image you fraud. I mean I happen to think you wear the image of a guy wearing a beige cardigan pretty well but I'd never tell you that because there's a fair chance I'd be wrong, considering I know so little of you. Likewise, exactly *what* do you know about me??? What puts you in the position to make that judgement? "Good word usage by the way. But you really should get out more." Dullard. I don't use words to show off or to win prizes, I use them because one has to try it all in an effort to express one's self successfully. I must be failing because you guys have the impression of me that I hate Roger or something. And I get out *plenty*. I do this Queenzone crap for a couple of minutes here and there because I find it oddly entertaining. "Exactly. I do not agree with Bruce Springsteen's politics, but I still RESPECT him, both as an artist, and a human." First of all, I didn't say I lost all respect for the musicians involved! I said it dropped substantially - but if you knew how much I like Roger Taylor and the shit he says, you'd know that there's a lot of respect left in there. I don't know exactly why you people are so crabby with me. I pretty much, *agree* with you on several points. If anything, ok.computer, you were the first to go ahead and throw stuff in the fire. I think you're out of line! |
ok.computer 21.03.2006 08:47 |
"That might not have been their intent. But really, you play for someone, that puts your name on it. All or nothing - basically, I just think musicians shouldn't fuck with politics. What if [oh SNIP fer fuck's sake] It's just stupid. Meaningless." Let me reiterate for the hard-of-understanding. Countryside Alliance is not about politics. Hunting is one of about twenty campaign issues. Again, when Roger says he likes hunting then people can gurn. Which is where this started out, with "Oh, I don't think I like the idea of Roger supporting fox-hunting". Read back. "You and Mr. Calhoun don't know what you're talking about when you tell me I'm after moral highground and that I want to scowl at my favourite drummer..." I think I said "we". A general use of the word "we". I personally don't give a fuck what high ground anyone takes. As long as they're justified. Which the *earlier* poster wasn't. I am sorry if your little outbursts get caught up in the debate. "I absolutely never said I'd burn my Queen LP's so you're both completely out of line, so I responded in kind." I don't remember suggesting to you that you should... So I don't where you're going with that one. Except nowhere fast. And I doubt your parents would let you play with matches. "Oh here we fucking go... I don't wear an image you fraud. I mean I happen to think you wear the image of a guy wearing a beige cardigan pretty well but I'd never tell you that because there's a fair chance I'd be wrong, considering I know so little of you." I own three beige cardigans. I wear them all well. I'm not quite seeing the connection with fraudulence there, but I know what happens when you go off on one. "Likewise, exactly *what* do you know about me??? What puts you in the position to make that judgement?" Oh it's the attitoode every time. And probably the picture. The Angry Young Man...it's like punk never died. "Dullard. I don't use words to show off or to win prizes, I use them because one has to try it all in an effort to express one's self successfully. I must be failing because you guys have the impression of me that I hate Roger or something." Exactly. "I don't know exactly why you people are so crabby with me." *Sigh* because you're there, you're good value for it, and at two in the morning, when all toenails have been clipped, the dog is fed, there's nowt on TV and all the other meaningless things are over, some of us just can't help taking Zebonka out of the box and watching him charge all over the place like a manic wee wind-up toy. "If anything, ok.computer, you were the first to go ahead and throw stuff in the fire. I think you're out of line!" *Sigh* (II) Start from the beginning and read through. Where my ire began should be pretty clear. Read it through. Use your finger under the hard words. |
john bodega 21.03.2006 09:59 |
"Let me reiterate for the hard-of-understanding. Countryside Alliance is not about politics. Hunting is one of about twenty campaign issues. Again, when Roger says he likes hunting then people can gurn." But if I had lunch with a KKK member, I wouldn't hold it against someone if they thought I supported his policies. Ok, it's a stretch, it's a misconception, but it's a reasonable jump to make. "Which is where this started out, with "Oh, I don't think I like the idea of Roger supporting fox-hunting". Read back." Ok. "I think I said "we". A general use of the word "we". I personally don't give a fuck what high ground anyone takes. As long as they're justified. Which the *earlier* poster wasn't. I am sorry if your little outbursts get caught up in the debate." Uh ok. I don't see how you can be discussing an earlier poster when some of the crap was addressed to me. Maybe it's like that Zen method of navigation Dirk Gently used, whereby he'd follow people who at least *looked* like they knew where they were going. "I don't remember suggesting to you that you should... So I don't where you're going with that one. Except nowhere fast. And I doubt your parents would let you play with matches." Ugh. What I was saying was, I'm not that shitty with Roger, so you can forget the idea of some overreactive fan who's unfairly judging your hero. I just - found it questionable. "I own three beige cardigans. I wear them all well." Hahaha, maybe I wasn't so wrong in the first place. "I'm not quite seeing the connection with fraudulence there, but I know what happens when you go off on one." I'm listening to Ringo Starr's "Lah-dee-dah" song at the moment. "Oh it's the attitoode every time. And probably the picture. The Angry Young Man...it's like punk never died." I *hate* punk, and if I were any more laid back, I'd fall asleep. Pull that bug out of your arse! "*Sigh* because you're there, you're good value for it, and at two in the morning, when all toenails have been clipped, the dog is fed, there's nowt on TV and all the other meaningless things are over, some of us just can't help taking Zebonka out of the box and watching him charge all over the place like a manic wee wind-up toy." There's nothing 'wee' about me! No look - this place is first and foremost a joke. Recreation, for me anyway. I can only hope that your posts (heck, your signature even) are some kind of twisted satire because I refuse to believe people like you exist in real life (outside of institutions, anyway). "*Sigh* (II) Start from the beginning and read through." Already did, but it's all irrelevant. Really, does it matter? I can make it oh so simple - I just thought it was dodgy that a favourite musician of mine was playing with these cave-people. "Where my ire began should be pretty clear. Read it through. Use your finger under the hard words." Ok ok ok, I'll read your bit and report back. Jesus, like I don't have enough homework from TAFE. |
dimcyril 21.03.2006 10:07 |
likecats wrote:ok.computer wrote: Now hold on.... |
john bodega 21.03.2006 10:08 |
Ok I remember now, 'knee-jerk assholes' and all that... hahaha. (sotto an Evil Robot, or perhaps that T-Rex that is always trying to stomp that house in that hilarious web comic) You'd love for me to be some dimwitted teenager wouldn't you? I won't do the indignity of proclaiming myself as 'above' all that. Heck, I might be 'beneath' it instead... I really am not what you think; whether that makes me a better or worse person, I don't have the intestinal fortitude to fucking contemplate at this juncture. And if it's a crime, or a waste of time to write long posts on the internet, you're guilty too! In this respect, aren't we simply two pathetic people wasting time on each other? And I'm noticing an awful pattern! There's all these virtual cromagnons chasing me around this forum asking me to jump in front of buses and telling me I'm a fool - yet in real life, I pretty much get along with the people I study with or live with or whatever. Hah, and you joked that I should get my parents to explain certain things to me. I tell you, I think there are things your parents never bothered telling YOU, sir! |
dimcyril 21.03.2006 10:10 |
This is a boneheaded thing to say. If you perform for people who patronise or associate a particular organisation, that's endorsal. not always. i played a gig once for the young conservatives. now i have always been a voter of parties on the left [ish] labour lib dems plaid cymru etc and never once voted conservative. why did we do it you ask? cos it was a gig, cos a few of my mates were playing, cos they paid us etc etc |
dimcyril 21.03.2006 10:11 |
dimcyril wrote:likecats wrote:ok.computer wrote: Now hold on.... Just because somebody supports the Countryside Alliance, doesn't mean that they are pro-hunting, for fuck's sake. this is true, they are not a single issue organisation. |
Munchsack 21.03.2006 12:02 |
Wonder if they'll play any Queen/Roger songs? Also, I didn't think the American Tour would have finished by then, but I must be wrong. |
ok.computer 21.03.2006 13:44 |
"Ok I remember now, 'knee-jerk assholes' and all that... hahaha." I give up. FURTHER back, fule.... "You'd love for me to be some dimwitted teenager wouldn't you?" I wouldn't insult teenagers. "And if it's a crime, or a waste of time to write long posts on the internet, you're guilty too! In this respect, aren't we simply two pathetic people wasting time on each other?" I ummmm don't remember raising that point either. "And I'm noticing an awful pattern! There's all these virtual cromagnons chasing me around this forum asking me to jump in front of buses and telling me I'm a fool" I ummm don't remember asking you to do that either. It's as much your right to make the jump as it is to write hysterical, innaccurate posts. "Hah, and you joked that I should get my parents to explain certain things to me." Ummmm....no again. I said they probably wouldn't allow you to play with matches. Do you just make this up as you go along? "I tell you, I think there are things your parents never bothered telling YOU, sir!" I doubt it. But I like the respect you show. This post started with SOMEONE else giving it "oohh Roger is playing for the fox hunters", when actually, the Countryside Alliance is not all about fox-hunting. I won't give up on this point, because learning will make you a more rounded individual. Tolerance will help you develop too. The Countryside Alliance AREN'T cave people. They're a highly organised lobbying group. They represent rural dwellers who see their lifestyle, homes, job opportunities, schools, and so on, being stripped away by a city-centric system of governance. And yes, some of them lobby on behalf of hunting. Roger lives in the countryside. Roger is part (when he's there) of a countryside economy. Roger probably doesn't like seeing rural England being stripped away by developers out to make a profit on throwing up crap Barrett homes at every cul-de-sac. And he may even like fox-hunting. He may be getting paid. He may be doing it as a favour to Dave Gilmour. He may be doing nothing better that day. But until he says he does strap on the jodphurs and smear himself with fox blood, don't "drop him in your estimation" simply because one issue out of forty or fifty doesn't fit with your rose-tinted, "right-on", uneducated (in this instance) mentality. |
john bodega 21.03.2006 23:02 |
"I give up. FURTHER back, fule...." But that was your first post in the thread? I've truly missed this one, my apologies. Maybe "further back" as you put it, there was some sign language or something. "I wouldn't insult teenagers." But it's fun! "I ummmm don't remember raising that point either." But I am. Telling me to get out more, basically equates to telling me that I'm wasting my time here, which happens to be something you're doing as well. It's not that big a jump to make really. "I ummm don't remember asking you to do that either." When did it become ok.computerZone? There are other posters here too. It was an anecdote. "It's as much your right to make the jump as it is to write hysterical, innaccurate posts." Thank God I never invoked the latter right. "Ummmm....no again. I said they probably wouldn't allow you to play with matches." My mistake, but really... 'get a parent to help' and 'your parents won't let you play with matches' aren't all that different. "Do you just make this up as you go along?" Actually, yes, most of the time. I'm BORED damnit, it's the only way to relieve the monotony. "I doubt it. But I like the respect you show." Respect is earned. I've done little to earn yours, and you've done little to earn mine, and in a cause-and-effect way, your parents have done even less. They went and made *you*. "This post started with SOMEONE else giving it "oohh Roger is playing for the fox hunters", when actually, the Countryside Alliance is not all about fox-hunting." Not 'all about fox-hunting', duh. I can respect that, but what if they support it, even a little bit? Fair enough, maybe a good cull here and there would help the environment, but the fashion in which it's done shits me. And they can't police everyone. Sure, maybe 89% of people who shoot foxes are mature and responsible about it, but you'll always get the odd wacko and that was what worried me. Those are the ones I was talking about. "I won't give up on this point, because learning will make you a more rounded individual. Tolerance will help you develop too." Tolerance is BUNK. It's respect we should be chasing. How patronising is it to walk up to a Muslim, for instance, and say 'I tolerate you'. What bullshit. "The Countryside Alliance AREN'T cave people." But can you speak for hundreds and thousands of people and say there's not a single one in there? Maybe there is. I was merely pointing out that remote possibility, that maybe there's some people in there who don't do it right. "They're a highly organised lobbying group. They represent rural dwellers who see their lifestyle, homes, job opportunities, schools, and so on, being stripped away by a city-centric system of governance." Good on 'em, but I don't see how this noble platform relates to hunting. "And yes, some of them lobby on behalf of hunting." That was what I was discussing, the hunting, and the manner in which it's done. Look don't be surprised, I feel guilty when I squish ants by accident, so I can't help it if I at least want the foxes/hedgehogs/gypsies to be dealt with properly. "Roger lives in the countryside." Hahhah, I would too if it wasn't so far from Zenith's. "Roger is part (when he's there) of a countryside economy." Sure... pitchfork and all. Actually - does Roger farm or do rural shit? I've never read up on that before. Well heck, he once held the group distinction of being one of the 4 highest paid executives in Britain... he probably *IS* the rural economy. Just jokes. "Roger probably doesn't like seeing rural England being stripped away by developers out to make a profit on throwing up crap Barrett homes at every cul-de-sac." What has hunting got to do with this? I was only ever annoyed at |
ok.computer 22.03.2006 12:23 |
""Do you just make this up as you go along?"" "Actually, yes, most of the time." Well that really explains it all, and shows that there really *is* very little point in trying to debate with you any further. "Respect is earned. I've done little to earn yours, and you've done little to earn mine, and in a cause-and-effect way, your parents have done even less. They went and made *you*." Yeah, but calling me "sir" sure sends out the right message to your elders. Also, I didn't sink so low as insulting your parents. And I don't deign to now. [oh SNIP, fer fuck's sake, you're off on one again...after awhile watching you flitter around in ever-decreasing self-imposed little circles becomes tiresome] "But you *admitted* that they support hunting." I "admitted" nothing. There was no admission to be made. Even a neanderthal like you can make that distinction. All you need is a Webster's (that's a dictionary, by the way), and your forefinger to underline the hard words with. Once it's out from your left nostril. What I did was cut-and-paste from the organisation's website. You might even have a look yourself, and look at the other issues they support. You might even spoil yourself and see *why* they support hunting. It may illuminate your view on the organisation, what it does, why it does it, and what situations in countries other than your own little patch of arrid wasteland are actually like. Your view on tolerance really *does* sum up what is wrong with the world, and why you probably won't go and check it out. I'll bid you farewell on this topic. I can see that you're the sort of little fellow that so loves the last word. Who would I be to deny those less fortunate? |
Winter Land Man 22.03.2006 18:34 |
Serry... wrote: "Pink Floyd legends Roger Waters and Nick Mason will be joined by Eric Clapton, Roger Daltrey and Roger Taylor for the concert." Depends on how DD's Roger is popular, I guess... If not as such as ours - they'll note he's from Duran Duran. IMHO.DD's isn't popular. I've asked people (non-Queen fans) who Roger Taylor is and they say 'a guy from Queen'... never mentioned DD |
john bodega 22.03.2006 22:08 |
Excellent, you won't be reading this, but I'll do it for completeness. "Well that really explains it all, and shows that there really *is* very little point in trying to debate with you any further." Debate? I pointed out I was just having a bit of fun. I think I touched a nerve! (Actually no I don't, but anyway). "Yeah, but calling me "sir" sure sends out the right message to your elders. Also, I didn't sink so low as insulting your parents. And I don't deign to now." When I say 'sir', don't think "navy guy talking to the Admiral". Think McCoy berating Spock. "I "admitted" nothing. There was no admission to be made." Gah okay whatever. Having gotten that bit of semantics out of the way, the fact is you did say they supported hunting, and I said I didn't have a problem with that so long as it was done properly. You are being unfair. "Even a neanderthal like you can make that distinction." I am most certainly not a neanderthal. "All you need is a Webster's (that's a dictionary, by the way), and your forefinger to underline the hard words with. Once it's out from your left nostril." Forefinger's busy at the moment, but here's the middle one you fuckwit. "It may illuminate your view on the organisation, what it does, why it does it..." I already took a look, very illuminating and very boring. Look - that's their line of work. I wouldn't ask a farmer to look at a book of guitar tableture. "...and what situations in countries other than your own little patch of arrid wasteland are actually like." There are *20 million* people who disagree with your utterly boneheaded little statement here. You shit in the face of many fine people (and many not-so-fine-ones) when you say shit like that! See - I wasn't picking on a whole country, my beef was with a couple of irresponsible people I've seen on the telly occasionally doing the wrong thing. And you think I'm the neanderthal? Hahahaha. You haven't got a fucking clue. "Your view on tolerance really *does* sum up what is wrong with the world, and why you probably won't go and check it out." Guh... I said tolerance wasn't enough. Tolerance is a cop-out - if you're only willing to tolerate and not respect people, then what's the point? I'd rather ignore people if the most human thing I can say is 'I tolerate you'. It's very simple. Surely you understand that? And if you're wondering why I did a backflip by not really respecting you it's because of your overreaction and utter ignorance towards any view that isn't "shoot everything". All I wanted was a slightly better treatment of the 'hunting' situation but you couldn't even see past your stupid superiority-complex to understand that. Then you took a big fat dump on my country. Very fucking nice. "I'll bid you farewell on this topic. I can see that you're the sort of little fellow that so loves the last word." Hahaha. I seriously considered not replying, because the conversation has run it's course. But I'm not a little fellow, you leave me with the wrong impression Admiral- I mean, Sir. And it's *so cheap* to say 'well I won't respond, you love to have the last word...' I could've done that, couldn't I? Pa-thetic. But you're not reading this, thank God. "Who would I be to deny those less fortunate?" (Sotto Carlin) Pure bull-shit. You are a miserable specimen, sirrah, here's hoping you have an argument with a bunch of European wasps or something. |
john bodega 22.03.2006 22:12 |
"And probably the picture. The Angry Young Man" ... What picture? If this is a picture of me that I've put somewhere, may I be the first to inform you that it was probably *a joke* picture; I can think of one off the top of my head that's on my site (not that you would've bothered with it, I only put it up for some buddies of mine who play Myth) where I am playing a Hofner with a perturbed look on my face. Yeah. Joke picture. |
The Real Wizard 27.03.2006 15:14 |
Haystacks Calhoun wrote: Exactly. I do not agree with Bruce Springsteen's politics, but I still RESPECT him, both as an artist, and a human.This statement, positive as you intended, doesn't make complete sense. One's political beliefs can define much of who they are as a person, especially when their beliefs are so strong - example, Bruce Springsteen. So I can't quite see how you can still respect him so highly as a human being if you would fundamentally disagree with him on nearly anything you'd discuss. |
john bodega 28.03.2006 07:04 |
"So I can't quite see how you can still respect him so highly as a human being if you would fundamentally disagree with him on nearly anything you'd discuss." That depends on one's definition of respect. If it's "shut-up-and-don't-try-to-argue-about-things-they'll-never-change-their-mind-on", then it's an easy thing to do. To be honest, I think it's better to argue with people. I think it's a sign of respect that you'll badmouth them and get to the heart of the issue, rather than just keeping it all hidden and pretending you agree 100%. It's a sign of respect that you'll tell 'em what you really think, even if it happens to be less-than-pleasant. |