| fallenout 15.02.2006 12:21 |
I have been lurking on this website for a long time now, and have read many many interesting posts, and am therefore asking the more knowledgable members for help. Before you shout at me for being lazy, I have already read through mr J Stuarts ultimate colection lists (and was amazed at the detail), but if I am honest they are just way too much to take in! Therefore what I am asking is, quite simply, is there a complete list of all of the known demos/outtakes (and the rumoured ones if possible!) out there, or could one of the more experienced members help compile one please? |
| Lester Burnham 15.02.2006 13:10 |
I grabbed this from QOL, as compiled by PTRACER. Some of it may not be 100% correct: PRE-QUEEN DEMOS 1984 Guitar/vocals by Brian May, vocals by Tim Staffell - 1964-1968. All tracks below were recorded at Thames Television studios in early 1967.) - Hold On! I'm Coming (originally by Sam & Dave) - Knock On Wood (originally by Otis Redding) - N.S.U. (originally by Cream) - How Can It Be (originally by The Birds) - Step On Me (Take 1) by 1984 - Step On Me (Take 2) by 1984 - Purple Haze (originally by Jimi Hendrix) - Our Love Is Driftin' (originally by the Paul Butterfield Blues Band) - Remember (originally by Jimi Hendrix) - Sweet Wine (originally by Cream) Left Handed Marriage (Guitar/backing vocals by Brian May - 1967) - I Need Time - Appointment - She Was Once My Friend Smile (Guitar/vocals/backing vocals by Brian May --- Drums/vocals/backing vocals by Roger Taylor ---> 1968-1970.) - Doin' All Right - Blag - April Lady - Polar Bear - Earth - Step On Me IBEX (Freddie Mercury on vocals. Tracks below are from a live concert at the Liverpool Sink Club on the 9th September 1969. They were recorded on a reel-to-reel tape recorder.) - Communication Breakdown (originally by Led Zeppelin) - Rain (originally by The Beatles) - We're Going Wrong (originally by Cream) - Rock Me Baby (originally by Jimi Hendrix) - Stone Free (originally by Jimi Hendrix) - Jailhouse Rock (originally by Elvis Presley) - Crossroads (originally by Cream) - Vagabond Outcast by IBEX - We're going home (originally by Ten Years After, arrangement by Ibex) Wreckage (Freddie Mercury on vocals. The demo tracks below were recorded in a flat/appartment in Barnes, London. ---> 1969. Each version is actually different fragments of the song recorded seperately over a period of ten minutes. Each version features different fragments edited together, but they are essentially the same recording.) (Thanks to JSS for some of the info) - Green (Version 1) - Green (Version 2) - Green (Version 3) - Green (Version 4) Larry Lurex (Freddie Mercury on vocals, Brian May on guitar, Roger Taylor on drums ---> 1972.) - I Can Hear Music (originally by The Beach Boys) - Goin' Back (originally by Carole King) QUEEN DEMOS 1971 De Lane Lea Demos - Keep Yourself Alive (Demo) - The Night Comes Down (Demo) - Great King Rat (Demo) - Jesus (Demo) - Liar (Demo) Unknown Recording Session - 1971, 1972 or 1973 - Polar Bear (Unreleased song - cover of Polar Bear by Smile - Brian and Roger's pre-Queen band) BBC Sessions #2 - 25th July 1973 - Keep Yourself Alive - Liar - See What A Fool I've Been ('Serious' version with alternate lyrics) - Son And Daughter Queen II - Procession (Demo - different to the album version. Played over the speakers at the Golders Green concert in 1973) BBC Sessions #4 - 3rd April 1974 - Modern Times Rock n' Roll - Nevermore - White Queen (As It Began) (featuring Freddie Mercury on piano) - March Of The Black Queen (Album version that fades out at the intro of Funny How Love Is BBC Sessions #5 - 16th October 1974 - Now I'm Here - Stone Cold Crazy - Flick Of The Wrist - Tenement Funster A Day At The Races* - Woe (rumored to exist, but probably doesn't) News Of The World - Feelings (Unreleased song) - Silver Salmon (Unreleased song) (Lester's note: I was always under the impression that 'Silver Salmon' was recorded during the first album's sessions...) - Batteries Not Included (either John Deacon or Brian May song)* BBC Session #6 - 28th October 1977 - Spread Your Wings (Heavy rock version) - It's Late (featuring electronic/synthesised section, similar to Get Down Make Love) - My Melancholy Blues (featuring Brian May on guitar) - We Will Rock You (Slow/Fast Version) Jazz* - Coming Soon (early version) - parts of Roger's 'Fun In Space' album The Game* - Lost Opportunity (rumor has it this song |
| Paulos 15.02.2006 15:44 |
Great post Lester. Really appreciate taking the time out to write all of that. |
| nibznik 15.02.2006 16:06 |
Wasn't beautiful day recorded during the game sessions? |
| Rick 15.02.2006 16:09 |
nibznik wrote: Wasn't beautiful day recorded during the game sessions?Yes it was. And Sandbox, Sister (demo of Sail Away Sweet Sister) and Dragon Attack demo, which is untitled. |
| Bohardy 15.02.2006 19:22 |
Sandbox was just a working title for Coming Soon. I've always been of the opinion that Woe was just a working title for The Millionaire Waltz. I seem to remember reading an interview with Freddie, where he talks about working on the song Woe for the forthcoming ADATR album, and the description he gives of it seems to perfectly match The Millionaire Waltz. And Lester: I take it you missed the excellent thread in the Sharing The Music: Announce section all about the orgin of the Silver Salmon recording. There's a school of thought, with compelling evidence, that insists it can only be from the NOTW sessions. Dig out the thread. It's a great read. |
| Bohardy 15.02.2006 19:28 |
Here's the thread in question, for your perusal: link |
| Lester Burnham 15.02.2006 20:16 |
I vaguely recall the discussion when it first happened, and how it was deduced that the song didn't possess the same drum "quality" as the first album; listening to the song again, it's pretty clear how true that is. Though something that I don't think has been addressed was who wrote it; if it is indeed from the NOTW sessions and it was written by Tim Staffell as originally thought, why would they wait until 1977 to have recorded it? Perhaps that's within the thread you presented to me, so I'll give that a read-through and see if my question is answered. Thanks for the link; I love reading intelligent discussion! Anyway. I was under the impression that 'Sandbox' was largely a jam and not a working title for 'Coming Soon', but 'Coming Soon' was also completely different in 1978 than its 1979 released version. Very interesting. And I hate to ask about this, because I feel like a newbie, but wasn't a song called 'Brother Of Mine' recorded at some point? Or is this another one of Niek's and Pim's jokes, like 'Two Worlds Apart'? If it's as real as Man In The Shadows, then disregard. |
| CMG 15.02.2006 21:43 |
I have heard Sandbox (from the annual convention auditions)and it's a jam, not an early version of Coming Soon. |
| fallenout 16.02.2006 03:29 |
Thankyou Very informative list! I appreciate your help thankyou! |
| Jjeroen 16.02.2006 05:03 |
Nice overview, but of course very far from complete... |
| bas asselbergs 16.02.2006 06:39 |
there is quit a bit more indeed Jeroen! Thanks for sharing them! When will you be here again? It is good then, that there are still a LOT of surprises for most of the people out there in the anthology box-set that will see the light of day in 2009....the fun would be gone if all was available at this point....on theconvention you'll be hearing some amazing new stuff i guess....wich will extend the list as written here....you can also have a little look on Ferdy's link and search for the demo-section....a very nice site anyway...ooh yes....and all you folks out there : link is in the air !!!! |
| Jjeroen 16.02.2006 07:56 |
bas asselbergs wrote: When will you be here again?In a week or two?! Put the booze on cold already ;-))) By the way: did you see the Peter Straker bootleg??? Awesome! |
| Lester Burnham 16.02.2006 08:32 |
jeroen wrote: Nice overview, but of course very far from complete...As I said, and I see that people didn't notice, I didn't write the list - it was compiled by someone from QueenOnline. I only copied and pasted and added certain things I could remember from memory. So, why not add your own thoughts to make it closer to complete? |
| escuderodelareina 16.02.2006 08:40 |
butterfly (from a kind of magic), silver salmon (queen l i think)and maybe assasin´(early version of innuendo).i´m not sure of that. |
| escuderodelareina 16.02.2006 08:52 |
and hangman, but this song was played only in the first concerts. |
| Jjeroen 16.02.2006 08:53 |
Lester Burnham wrote:No offence to you at all, Lester! :-)jeroen wrote: Nice overview, but of course very far from complete...As I said, and I see that people didn't notice, I didn't write the list - it was compiled by someone from QueenOnline. I only copied and pasted and added certain things I could remember from memory. So, why not add your own thoughts to make it closer to complete? John S's lists are far from complete as well... My problem is the guy requesting this... The guy requesting this 'complete' list did not deserve your work. What does he want us to do? Take John S's ultimate collection, delete everything except for the song-titles?? Only because he is too lazy to read? |
| Jjeroen 16.02.2006 08:58 |
By the way:
Lester Burnham wrote: PRE-QUEEN DEMOS 1984 Guitar/vocals by Brian May, vocals by Tim Staffell - 1964-1968. All tracks below were recorded at Thames Television studios in early 1967.) - Hold On! I'm Coming (originally by Sam & Dave) - Knock On Wood (originally by Otis Redding) - N.S.U. (originally by Cream) - How Can It Be (originally by The Birds) - Step On Me (Take 1) by 1984 - Step On Me (Take 2) by 1984 - Purple Haze (originally by Jimi Hendrix) - Our Love Is Driftin' (originally by the Paul Butterfield Blues Band) - Remember (originally by Jimi Hendrix) - Sweet Wine (originally by Cream) Smile (Guitar/vocals/backing vocals by Brian May --- Drums/vocals/backing vocals by Roger Taylor ---> 1968-1970.) - Doin' All Right - Blag - April Lady - Polar Bear - Earth - Step On Me IBEX (Freddie Mercury on vocals. Tracks below are from a live concert at the Liverpool Sink Club on the 9th September 1969. They were recorded on a reel-to-reel tape recorder.) - Communication Breakdown (originally by Led Zeppelin) - Rain (originally by The Beatles) - We're Going Wrong (originally by Cream) - Rock Me Baby (originally by Jimi Hendrix) - Stone Free (originally by Jimi Hendrix) - Jailhouse Rock (originally by Elvis Presley) - Crossroads (originally by Cream) - Vagabond Outcast by IBEX - We're going home (originally by Ten Years After, arrangement by Ibex) Larry Lurex (Freddie Mercury on vocals, Brian May on guitar, Roger Taylor on drums ---> 1972.) - I Can Hear Music (originally by The Beach Boys) - Goin' Back (originally by Carole King) BBC Sessions #2 - 25th July 1973 - Keep Yourself Alive - Liar - See What A Fool I've Been ('Serious' version with alternate lyrics) - Son And Daughter BBC Sessions #4 - 3rd April 1974 - Modern Times Rock n' Roll - Nevermore - White Queen (As It Began) (featuring Freddie Mercury on piano) - March Of The Black Queen (Album version that fades out at the intro of Funny How Love Is BBC Sessions #5 - 16th October 1974 - Now I'm Here - Stone Cold Crazy - Flick Of The Wrist - Tenement Funster BBC Session #6 - 28th October 1977 - Spread Your Wings (Heavy rock version) - It's Late (featuring electronic/synthesised section, similar to Get Down Make Love) - My Melancholy Blues (featuring Brian May on guitar) - We Will Rock You (Slow/Fast Version) A Kind Of Magic - A Kind Of Magic (Highlander Version - Extended, and in the correct pitch. Found on the 2nd disc of Queen - Live At Wembley Stadium.) !None of these are demo's! Damn QOL! ;-) |
| Lester Burnham 16.02.2006 09:05 |
jeroen wrote: No offence to you at all, Lester! :-) John S's lists are far from complete as well... My problem is the guy requesting this... The guy requesting this 'complete' list did not deserve your work. What does he want us to do? Take John S's ultimate collection, delete everything except for the song-titles?? Only because he is too lazy to read?Hmm, that is a good point. Sorry if my tone indicated that I was offended; but the idea that that list was far from complete is very intriguing to me, and I would love to know what else is out there. And as for QOL, well, we can't expect them to be right all the time, can we? ;) |
| Jjeroen 16.02.2006 09:16 |
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| Jjeroen 16.02.2006 09:18 |
Hmm, that is a good point. Sorry if my tone indicated that I was offended; ] ----->It didn't - just to be sure that you wouldn't be ;-) |
| The Original Queen 16.02.2006 11:39 |
no additional titles but, seen in a file draw at the old Queen office in Pembridge Road, a list of tracks recorded during the Jazz session, may not be complete songs but there were at least 20 songs on it. Re Silver Salmon, to my ears this sounds like Q1 or Q2 demo, totaly wrong sound for any thing latter, even as poor a quality as it is. Also Freds voice is closser to the Q1/2 a bit thinner, the overall song music style is also pre sheer heart attack...but hey could be wrong. |
| John S Stuart 16.02.2006 13:26 |
jeroen wrote:Lester Burnham wrote:jeroen wrote: Nice overview, but of course very far from complete... John S's lists are far from complete as well...Jeroen: I know that my lists are not 'complete' - but they are the best I can do at this time. (That is not a defensive comment - just a matter of fact!). |
| John S Stuart 16.02.2006 13:27 |
Nice list Lester. As Jeroen suggested, I was going to trawl through my 'Ultimate Collection' threads to filter this info anyway, but, I couldn't be bothered as I didn't have the time to do so - so you saved me that job at least! Considering the 'UC' was meant as a reference, rather than a novel, I think this is a good example of how it should be used. If you or anyone else wants to extact similar data, (eg: Brian's solo, or collaborations etc), please feel free to do so, as that is what it was designed for. (However a little acknowledgement as source would be nice!). Remember, I too learn much from Queenzone, and anyone who can push the envelope forwards, is a good guy in my books! |
| John S Stuart 16.02.2006 13:42 |
The Original Queen wrote: Re Silver Salmon, to my ears this sounds like Q1 or Q2 demo, totaly wrong sound for any thing latter, even as poor a quality as it is. Also Freds voice is closser to the Q1/2 a bit thinner, the overall song music style is also pre sheer heart attack...but hey could be wrong.Re this 'Silver Salmon' track debate - I have a quick question. I was always 'taught' that it came from the Queen eponymous debut sessions. I have never questioned that received wisdom, as I never had the need to do so - until now. As I am not a musician - I can easily buy the 1977 'drum sound' debate becaues this argument has been brought to us by some very smart cookies in the shape of semi-professional and professional drummers. On the other hand - I too think that Freddie's voice is PRE-1977, as I too think it sounds 'weak' and more in line with his earlier material. So my question is - is it possible (electronically) for BOTH these theories to be correct? (i.e: The track was revisited in 1977, but Freddie's vocals lifted from an earlier period)? |
| Bohardy 16.02.2006 13:45 |
My comment about Sandbox being a working title for Coming Soon came from John's UC. Having not heard the track, I bowed to his greater knowledge on this issue. Anyone have any thoughts on the 'Woe' issue, or can link to the interview I'm on about? |
| rogertaylor88 16.02.2006 14:40 |
Isn't Rock me baby a BB King's song? |
| Bobby_brown 17.02.2006 13:11 |
Lester Burnham wrote: I grabbed this from QOL, as compiled by PTRACER. Some of it may not be 100% correct: The Game* - Lost Opportunity (rumor has it this song was tried during the sessions, but I'm not sure how valid that is) - Magic Is Loose (see above)According to Roger, Magic is Loose wasn't recorded by Queen. link Take care |
| Lester Burnham 17.02.2006 13:55 |
Bobby_brown wrote: According to Roger, Magic is Loose wasn't recorded by Queen. link Take careAhh, right. Well, I still remain hopeful :( |
| Suigi 17.02.2006 17:16 |
And as far as I know, Self Made Man was indeed an Innnuendo demo, along with Robbery and Secret Fantasy. |
| Rick 18.02.2006 05:56 |
Suigi wrote: And as far as I know, Self Made Man was indeed an Innnuendo demo, along with Robbery and Secret Fantasy.Yes indeed. Note: Some songs on Roger's album Fun In Space contain ideas which were thought up during the Game-sessions, but didn't made it on the Queen album. So Roger worked further on with the ideas and eventually he used them for his solo album. Good Times Are Now is very similiar to Coming Soon for example. It has the same guitar riff in the middle, also the same beat/tempo. |
| john bodega 18.02.2006 12:32 |
"poor quality Silver Salmon"... which version have you been listening to?? If you ask me his voice does remind me more of Queen II than anything on Silver Salmon, because he was still a little inexperienced but by the 2nd album he was at least trying things a little out of his range (heck, it's how you grow!). |
| FlohohneH 26.03.2008 15:39 |
OK. I hope this is more complete now. This is the list that was allready posted here, but I added some information. ------------------------------ PRE-QUEEN DEMOS 1984 Guitar/vocals by Brian May, vocals by Tim Staffell - 1964-1968. All tracks below were recorded at Thames Television studios in early 1967.) 01 - Hold On! I'm Coming (originally by Sam & Dave) 02 - Knock On Wood (originally by Otis Redding) 03 - N.S.U. (originally by Cream) 04 - How Can It Be (originally by The Birds) 05 - Step On Me (Take 1) by 1984 06 - Step On Me (Take 2) by 1984 07 - Purple Haze (originally by Jimi Hendrix) 08 - Our Love Is Driftin' (originally by the Paul Butterfield Blues Band) 09- Remember (originally by Jimi Hendrix) 10 - Sweet Wine (originally by Cream) Left Handed Marriage (Guitar/backing vocals by Brian May - 1967) - I Need Time - Appointment - She Was Once My Friend Smile (Guitar/vocals/backing vocals by Brian May --- Drums/vocals/backing vocals by Roger Taylor ---> 1968-1970.) - Doin' All Right - Blag - April Lady - Polar Bear - Earth - Step On Me IBEX (Freddie Mercury on vocals. Tracks below are from a live concert at the Liverpool Sink Club on the 9th September 1969. They were recorded on a reel-to-reel tape recorder.) - Communication Breakdown (originally by Led Zeppelin) - Rain (originally by The Beatles) - We're Going Wrong (originally by Cream) - Rock Me Baby (originally by Jimi Hendrix) - Stone Free (originally by Jimi Hendrix) - Jailhouse Rock (originally by Elvis Presley) - Crossroads (originally by Cream) - Vagabond Outcast by IBEX - We're going home (originally by Ten Years After, arrangement by Ibex) Wreckage (Freddie Mercury on vocals. The demo tracks below were recorded in a flat/appartment in Barnes, London. ---> 1969. Each version is actually different fragments of the song recorded seperately over a period of ten minutes. Each version features different fragments edited together, but they are essentially the same recording.) (Thanks to JSS for some of the info) - Green (Version 1) - Green (Version 2) - Green (Version 3) - Green (Version 4) Larry Lurex (Freddie Mercury on vocals, Brian May on guitar, Roger Taylor on drums ---> 1972.) - I Can Hear Music (originally by The Beach Boys) - Goin' Back (originally by Carole King) QUEEN DEMOS 1971 De Lane Lea Demos Keep Yourself Alive The Night Comes Down (later used on "QUEEN") Great King Rat Jesus Liar QUEEN-sessions (1972) 01 Polar Bear - Take 1 02 Studio talking 03 Polar Bear - take 2 Hangman (only some copies of this tape exist) BBC Session 2 - 25th July 1973 01 - Keep Yourself Alive 02 - Liar 03 - See What A Fool I've Been ('Serious' version with alternate lyrics) 04 - Son And Daughter Queen II-sessions (August 1973) Procession - Demo Funny How Love Is (instrumental demo) BBC Session 4 - 3rd April 1974 01 - Modern Times Rock n' Roll 02 - Nevermore 03 - White Queen (As It Began) (featuring Freddie Mercury on piano) 04 - March Of The Black Queen (Album version that fades out at the intro of Funny How Love Is BBC Session 5 - 16th October 1974 01 - Now I'm Here 02 - Stone Cold Crazy 03 - Flick Of The Wrist 04 - Tenement Funster A Day At The Races (1976) Tie Your Mother Down (Brian vocals) Somebody To Love (Instrumental, with talking after piano mistakes) Woe (rumored to exist, but probably doesn't) News Of The World (summer 1977) 01 - Jam Session 02 - Silver Salmon (features studio talking at the beginning and the intro of "Seven Seas Of Rhye" at the end) Feelings (Take 9 - Studio) Feelings (take 9 - Convention, features studio noise at the beginning) BBC Session 6 - 28th October 1977 01 - Spread Your Wings (Heavy rock version) 02 - It's Late (featuring electronic/synthesised section, similar to Get Down Make Love) 03 - My Melancholy Blues (featuring Brian May on guitar) 04 - We Will Rock You (S |
| PieterMC 26.03.2008 16:30 |
FlohohneH wrote: New Dark Ages (apparently attempted during these sessions)*Brian said on his Soapbox recently that he has never even heard New Dark Ages. I find it unlikely that there is a Queen version of this. |
| Penetration_Guru 26.03.2008 18:29 |
PieterMC wrote:Plenty of songs have been recorded without other members present - isn't it possible that F/J/R recorded a backing track on Brian's day off?FlohohneH wrote: New Dark Ages (apparently attempted during these sessions)*Brian said on his Soapbox recently that he has never even heard New Dark Ages. I find it unlikely that there is a Queen version of this. unlikely, I'll grant you, but possible... |
| john bodega 27.03.2008 00:01 |
Bah you just know Brian would've seen that they'd logged time in the studio without him, he would've ran straight in there for a listen. "Without ME? Without ME!?" he might have cried. |
| shoemanbundy 27.03.2008 01:47 |
bas asselbergs wrote: there is quit a bit more indeed Jeroen! Thanks for sharing them! When will you be here again? It is good then, that there are still a LOT of surprises for most of the people out there in the anthology box-set that will see the light of day in 2009....Are you saying there is a box set full of demos that's going to be released? I haven't heard about this myself. Maybe it's only news to me but I'd like more info :p |
| princetom 27.03.2008 14:59 |
i've got a Freddie-Vocal-Demo of 'Rock It' (the Game-Sessions) somewhere... What's the title of the song again that was worked out completely by queen and then given to ...ähm ähm... anita dobson ? (according to greg on the us-convention 2006) i dunno why everybody tells that 'face it alone' is an innuendo demo... it was recorded the same week as 'party' (the miracle-sessions)... as i'm too lazy by now in browsing your very nice notes i might post later on several more demos and rumoured ones... cu ahja: rumoured: Let Me live (with (pretty drunken) rod steward, the works sessions) the game (with andy gibb) two worlds apart (miracle/innuendo-sessions) |
| princetom 27.03.2008 15:11 |
ok, here i am again: QueenII: March of the black queen (take 3-5) A Kind Of Magic: TavasziSzel (Rehearsal (several versions) Who Wants To Live Forever (Skip Demos) Europe Live: Seagull (live in rome) - okok, not a demo, but an official inofficial recording given to the italian fan club (proper production like the other 46 tracks). Hot Space: I Go Crazy (live in vienna during the guitar solo) (maybe no proper demo aswell. depends on pov.) sorry for possibly doubleing sth. nice thread. would be fine if one or the other demo or convention tape would show up some time :-) two more: Solo projects: roger's four songs for his second album. Another world: some kind of Jam as free giveaway for website-visitors (back in '98) Mr.Bad Guy: some synthie crap as FM was composing "Let's turn It On' or sth. (about a minute, definetly NOT worth listening to) |
| Benn 01.04.2008 12:12 |
Hi Lester, >>As I am not a musician - I can easily buy the 1977 'drum sound' debate becaues this argument has been brought to us by some very smart cookies in the shape of semi-professional and professional drummers. Neither am I, ut listening to it. it's entirely possible that this is in fact how the first Queen album's drum sound should have been as opposed to what we ended up getting and living with for so long. It's possible that the "cake box" sound Roger ended up with after mixing was simply down to poor quality work by those left in charge. The CD remasters have gone some way towards fiing it, but still.......it's hardly Bonham or Moon, is it :-) >>On the other hand - I too think that Freddie's voice is PRE-1977, as I too think it sounds 'weak' and more in line with his earlier material. And this is EXACTLY why it's from the first album. Comparing it with the De Lane Lea demos gives me the feeling that it could almost certainly have been recorded at those sessions but simply not included on the set that they hawked around to the various record companies in search of that elusive deal. Freddie sounds like someone who knows exactly how he should sound and how he will eventually end up sounding, ut at the same time is a little uncertain as to just how to go about getting the end result. There's almost a hesitancy - as if he's consciously holding back. |