brian_may_wannabe 24.01.2006 06:16 |
Hi all I was wondering if u all can help me something - Queen's version of Too Much Love Will Kill You was recorded in either 1990 or 1991 and Brian's version was recorded and released in 1992, but Queen's version wasn't released until 1995. So which is the cover version? I would appreciate all of your help. :) brian_may_wannabe |
Serry... 24.01.2006 06:18 |
Queen's version was recorded in 1988. |
brian_may_wannabe 24.01.2006 06:20 |
Serry... wrote: Queen's version was recorded in 1988.was it? didnt know that. |
Serry... 24.01.2006 06:24 |
Yes, it was planned to be on The Miracle album. Answering your question: Brian, I think. But since this song was written by him, I don't know if it's possible to cover your own song... |
John S Stuart 24.01.2006 08:27 |
Queen's version is the cover version. |
Munchsack 24.01.2006 08:35 |
Who wrote that song? I mean, I know their names, but who are the other two? How do they know Brian? It's just that I've never heard of them except that they co-wrote TMLWKY. |
Serry... 24.01.2006 09:51 |
Brian's friends. "This is a song which I wrote, quite a few years ago with some friends" 20/4/1992 |
rmtaylor 24.01.2006 10:01 |
John S Stuart wrote: Queen's version is the cover version.I don't agree. I think Brian did the cover. He wrote the song with the intention to make a Queen song out of it. And it happened, but they didn't put it on The Miracle for copyright problems (the song is by May-Lamerz-Muskers, not only by Brian). So he covered himself later on, in the 1992 with his own version. It may sound weird, but I think it's right. |
Lester Burnham 24.01.2006 10:18 |
Can it really be considered a cover if he wrote it? I can understand maybe if Roger had recorded it, then it could technically be considered a cover. Obviously, Brian considered the song good enough, and if Queen weren't going to use it (at the time), then he just re-recorded it for himself. |
John S Stuart 24.01.2006 11:11 |
rmtaylor wrote:Brian co-wrote the song as a jam session, then semi-professionally recorded the track as a home demo before for taking it into the studio.John S Stuart wrote: Queen's version is the cover version.I don't agree. I think Brian did the cover. He wrote the song with the intention to make a Queen song out of it. And it happened, but they didn't put it on The Miracle for copyright problems (the song is by May-Lamerz-Muskers, not only by Brian). So he covered himself later on, in the 1992 with his own version. It may sound weird, but I think it's right. I know this because the 'Bell Boy Tape' tells me so - and this existed LONG before the Queen track ever did. I suppose you are going to tell me next that while Lamar and Muskas were jamming/busking - that they too had this in the back of their mind - as a Queen track also? Why is it that so many wish to re-write Queen history on a 'gut-feeling', rather than studying the evidence for themselves? Too Much Love Will Kill You (Brian May) Intro Demo 3:08 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc First Piano Demo 2:55 - Unreleased: Home Mini-DiscEvery Time Demo 1:38 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc Ending Demo “21 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc Second Verse Demo 1:04 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc “Shit!” Demo 3:11 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc Acoustic Guitar Demo 2:35 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc Home Keyboard Instrumental 4:32 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc First Vocal Demo 4:48 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc Home Duet Demo 4:47 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc 1992 Back To The Light Album Version - Parlophone CDPCSD 123 1992 CDs Guitar 4:29 Instrumental 1992 CD Piano (Miss-press) 4:09 Instrumenta l - Hollywood 1992 First Live Version with/out Spoken CD Intro - Freddie Mercury Tribute: 20 April 1992 1992 Brian May Promotional Video - Unreleased: Home Video 1992 Holland Veronica Muziek Veilyny Video - 21 September 1992 - Unreleased: Wanted Too Much Love Will Kill You (Queen) 1988 Freddie Vocal Guide/Brian Vocal Demo - Unreleased: GB IQFC Convention 2001 1988 Miracle Demo Promo Teaser Tape - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc 1995 Album Version - Made In Heaven: Parlophone CDPCSD 167 1995 US Promo CD Single Radio 3:52 Edit - US CDS Hollywood PRCD -10546-2 1995 UK VH1 TV Promo - Unreleased: Home Video 1995 Promotional Video: Heart-Ache Made In Heaven The Films: WNR 2066 1998 eYe/Demo 1:47 Edit - Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S |
Lisser 24.01.2006 11:21 |
rmtaylor, my dear, when John S. Stuart writes something....believe it, it is gospel. Trust me. ;) Thank you John. |
John S Stuart 24.01.2006 11:24 |
Lisser wrote: rmtaylor, my dear, when John S. Stuart writes something....believe it, it is gospel. Trust me. ;) Thank you John.Not quite - but close enough! ;-) |
Togg 24.01.2006 11:27 |
John, what is 'The Bell Boy Tape'? How do you come by all this great stuff? |
Serry... 24.01.2006 11:34 |
If Brian recorded demo for himself - then yes, Queen covered unreleased Brian's demo, if Brian recorded demo for any other purposes - not for his solo album, then - Brian covered unreleased Queen's track. Otherwise "Keep Passing The Open Windows" is Queen's cover of Freddie's solo track. If Queen's finished version of "Too Much..." existed before finished Brian's version, therefore in my opinion - Brian covered Queen's track, but since it's his own song and written, probably, not for Queen - "cover" is a wrong word to describe this case. |
John S Stuart 24.01.2006 11:41 |
The 'Bell Boy Tape' was a cassette recording given away by Elizabeth Lamers to a bell-boy at the hotel she was staying at in the latter 1980's (c1986-1988)- Hence the simplicity of the title. (We do know for fact that the first Queen version was recorded c1988 - so Brian's home demo was written in LA sometime before that event). The tape was put up for auction, so was bid for. I have listed most of the tracks above. Other tracks included Brian's 'Sleepy Blues', and his 'Moody keyboard' sounds, which some unfortunately have mistaken for 'Macbeth'. |
Togg 24.01.2006 11:46 |
Very cool thanks, I love this stuff, it's just like Watergate! |
deleted user 24.01.2006 11:57 |
i think brian wrote it for his album but it came out with queen |
deleted user 24.01.2006 11:57 |
i think brian wrote it for his album but it came out with queen |
John S Stuart 24.01.2006 12:04 |
Serry... wrote: If Brian recorded demo for himself - then yes, Queen covered unreleased Brian's demo, if Brian recorded demo for any other purposes - not for his solo album, then - Brian covered unreleased Queen's track. Otherwise "Keep Passing The Open Windows" is Queen's cover of Freddie's solo track. If Queen's finished version of "Too Much..." existed before finished Brian's version, therefore in my opinion - Brian covered Queen's track, but since it's his own song and written, probably, not for Queen - "cover" is a wrong word to describe this case.I don't think it is that simple Serry; I think Brian had written this song (along with some help), but I do not think this was an automatic Queen track - because Freddie was not happy being the singer of songs by others outside Queen. Infact, the earliest Freddie 'vocal demo' from 1988 - is just Freddie karaoke singing over the Brian May version. 1988 Freddie Vocal Guide/Brian Vocal Demo - Unreleased: GB IQFC Convention 2001 I do not think Freddie sang this song for 'release', but, when 'made In Heaven' was being prepared, they recovered old freddie vocals to pad out the album, (hence the inclusion of 'Heaven For Everyone') - if this is the case, then it must be a Queen cover of a Brian May track - rather than vice-versa. |
Serry... 24.01.2006 12:20 |
Yes I see your point and I agree - Queen covered the song in fact: they have used Brian's own demo and released it later than Brian, but - let's imagine that MJ releases "There Must Be More..." - is it cover of Freddie's solo track? No. He recorded it before Freddie and with Freddie (as well as Brian recorded Queen's TMLWKY as a member of Queen). So did Freddie covered MJ song? No. My point is, as I already wrote, "cover" is a wrong word in such cases, IMO. |
Lester Burnham 24.01.2006 12:51 |
Serry... wrote: My point is, as I already wrote, "cover" is a wrong word in such cases, IMO.Hey, that's what I said too! A cover, as I see it, is a band or artist giving their own interpretation of another band's or artist's song, like a contemporary or a peer. Does this mean that 'I Was Born To Love You', 'Made In Heaven', 'My Life Has Been Saved', and 'Heaven For Everyone' are covers? I say no, that they're just re-recordings, because they're still related in some way to Queen; 'Tutti Frutti' on Live At Wembley Stadium is a cover. A similar situation is Mick Jagger's solo song 'Lonely At The Top', which was originally recorded in 1979 for the Rolling Stones album Emotional Rescue. However, he re-recorded it in 1984 for his solo album She's The Boss and it is still credited to Jagger/Richards, whereas other songs are credited to just Jagger. If the Stones were to re-record, say, 'Tumbling Dice' for their next album, I wouldn't consider it a cover because, really, how can a band cover themselves? They wrote the songs. Yet, if the Stones were to re-record 'Little Red Rooster' for their next album - which they originally recorded in 1964 - then it would still be a cover. (Not that I would ever buy that album anyway!) It's really a grey area, but that's why I love these discussions. |
wembley86 24.01.2006 15:46 |
it is ironic that freddie did sing the song. cause everytime i hear it. i think of him and what he was going through at the time. he was sick. and the lyrics sing torn between your lover and the love you leave behind. the pain will make you crazy you are the victim of your crime. kinda says something doesnt it? i love that song and it bring me to tears. just thinking what freddie was in the beginning of his life and how he ended it being sick and not making people happy. it is really sad song. |
deleted user 24.01.2006 16:02 |
I know, it's a really sad song and bless Freddie for singing it. It's so unfair he had to suffer so much but he didn't complain he carried on working, he was remarkable and he has to get one of the worst kind of illnesses there is. Not some evil person like terroists or something. Just the greatest singer in the world. |
marslander 24.01.2006 20:08 |
I´m sorry if it upsets anyone, but I think I wrote it! SERIOUSLY! One of Queen´s greatest fans since the seventies I was (according to one of the band members)perhaps the fifth person to be told about Freddie´s HIV diagnosis.Before the strategy of silence and awareness/fund raising had been decided on.I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I suffered in silence with the band all these years without so much as a thank you from any of them.(and I really have suffered!) I was at wembley when the song was premiered and felt gobsmacked and deeply honoured when I heard the song.I had no idea that I would never get the credit for it.It was maybe a whole year later that I confronted Jullie Glover with this at the Queen HQ.When I told her the month and year that I had written the number she claimed that the band had written it before that date. I won´t tell you what year that was but according to her it was written WELL before any of the dates on this noticeboard. one day I´d like to tell the whole story (by the way,the song I wrote was a reference to becoming a rock star,not about AIDS,The love of millions of fans pushing aside the love of those close to you the ones that really love you)as a songwriter I was offered the chance to become a rock star but my manager insisted on me revealing what I knew about Freddie.I flatly refused.My manager took my song and dropped me.Because I have always been protective of these great guys I have remained secretive about this for years.the number of people that I did actually tell about Freddie´s illness you can count on one hand! My story can be proven to be true, butI can´t afford the lawyers that I´d need to do this. Maybe one day the band will see their way to thank me personally.A thank you on their behalve from J.Glover was all I ever got. That and a threat of legal action from Jim Beach a week after it´s release. Yes I have a GREAT Queen story to tell. Has anyone any idea how I should do this? |
John S Stuart 24.01.2006 20:55 |
marslander wrote: I´m sorry if it upsets anyone, but I think I wrote it! SERIOUSLY! One of Queen´s greatest fans since the seventies I was (according to one of the band members)perhaps the fifth person to be told about Freddie´s HIV diagnosis.Before the strategy of silence and awareness/fund raising had been decided on.I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I suffered in silence with the band all these years without so much as a thank you from any of them.(and I really have suffered!) I was at wembley when the song was premiered and felt gobsmacked and deeply honoured when I heard the song.I had no idea that I would never get the credit for it.It was maybe a whole year later that I confronted Jullie Glover with this at the Queen HQ.When I told her the month and year that I had written the number she claimed that the band had written it before that date. I won´t tell you what year that was but according to her it was written WELL before any of the dates on this noticeboard. one day I´d like to tell the whole story (by the way,the song I wrote was a reference to becoming a rock star,not about AIDS,The love of millions of fans pushing aside the love of those close to you the ones that really love you)as a songwriter I was offered the chance to become a rock star but my manager insisted on me revealing what I knew about Freddie.I flatly refused.My manager took my song and dropped me.Because I have always been protective of these great guys I have remained secretive about this for years.the number of people that I did actually tell about Freddie´s illness you can count on one hand! My story can be proven to be true, butI can´t afford the lawyers that I´d need to do this. Maybe one day the band will see their way to thank me personally.A thank you on their behalve from J.Glover was all I ever got. That and a threat of legal action from Jim Beach a week after it´s release. Yes I have a GREAT Queen story to tell. Has anyone any idea how I should do this?Yeah, whatever. Go spam somewhere else. |
Lester Burnham 24.01.2006 22:04 |
marslander wrote: I´m sorry if it upsets anyone, but I think I wrote it! SERIOUSLY! One of Queen´s greatest fans since the seventies I was (according to one of the band members)perhaps the fifth person to be told about Freddie´s HIV diagnosis.Before the strategy of silence and awareness/fund raising had been decided on.I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I suffered in silence with the band all these years without so much as a thank you from any of them.(and I really have suffered!) I was at wembley when the song was premiered and felt gobsmacked and deeply honoured when I heard the song.I had no idea that I would never get the credit for it.It was maybe a whole year later that I confronted Jullie Glover with this at the Queen HQ.When I told her the month and year that I had written the number she claimed that the band had written it before that date. I won´t tell you what year that was but according to her it was written WELL before any of the dates on this noticeboard. one day I´d like to tell the whole story (by the way,the song I wrote was a reference to becoming a rock star,not about AIDS,The love of millions of fans pushing aside the love of those close to you the ones that really love you)as a songwriter I was offered the chance to become a rock star but my manager insisted on me revealing what I knew about Freddie.I flatly refused.My manager took my song and dropped me.Because I have always been protective of these great guys I have remained secretive about this for years.the number of people that I did actually tell about Freddie´s illness you can count on one hand! My story can be proven to be true, butI can´t afford the lawyers that I´d need to do this. Maybe one day the band will see their way to thank me personally.A thank you on their behalve from J.Glover was all I ever got. That and a threat of legal action from Jim Beach a week after it´s release. Yes I have a GREAT Queen story to tell. Has anyone any idea how I should do this?Amazing how you managed to write so much and yet say so little. |
Togg 25.01.2006 05:15 |
Lester Burnham wrote:Hello Arlene what colour is the sky in your world today?marslander wrote: I´m sorry if it upsets anyone, but I think I wrote it! SERIOUSLY! One of Queen´s greatest fans since the seventies I was (according to one of the band members)perhaps the fifth person to be told about Freddie´s HIV diagnosis.Before the strategy of silence and awareness/fund raising had been decided on.I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I suffered in silence with the band all these years without so much as a thank you from any of them.(and I really have suffered!) I was at wembley when the song was premiered and felt gobsmacked and deeply honoured when I heard the song.I had no idea that I would never get the credit for it.It was maybe a whole year later that I confronted Jullie Glover with this at the Queen HQ.When I told her the month and year that I had written the number she claimed that the band had written it before that date. I won´t tell you what year that was but according to her it was written WELL before any of the dates on this noticeboard. one day I´d like to tell the whole story (by the way,the song I wrote was a reference to becoming a rock star,not about AIDS,The love of millions of fans pushing aside the love of those close to you the ones that really love you)as a songwriter I was offered the chance to become a rock star but my manager insisted on me revealing what I knew about Freddie.I flatly refused.My manager took my song and dropped me.Because I have always been protective of these great guys I have remained secretive about this for years.the number of people that I did actually tell about Freddie´s illness you can count on one hand! My story can be proven to be true, butI can´t afford the lawyers that I´d need to do this. Maybe one day the band will see their way to thank me personally.A thank you on their behalve from J.Glover was all I ever got. That and a threat of legal action from Jim Beach a week after it´s release. Yes I have a GREAT Queen story to tell. Has anyone any idea how I should do this?Amazing how you managed to write so much and yet say so little. |
marslander 25.01.2006 21:02 |
Sorry Guys I just thought that someone asked a question about a song that I wrote and asked who had covered it.So I told him,if I wrote it ,then they are all covers,and it must have been recorded before the nineties for your information! I love the band, I´m glad they recorded it, I´m fed up of staying secretive about it,and it´s not spam it´s tired and weary war torn honesty, comrades. Penniless songwriters beware ! Always keep a copy of your material in a registered or proffessionally accountable place.One day you might hear your own material on the air,as I do,but be less pleased about it than I. Negative reacters read it again you compassionless twits and ask yourself 'How would it be if you were standing in my shoes'. Positive notice posters,thank you liking my song! You all have good taste. |
zaiga 26.01.2006 03:52 |
marslander wrote: Sorry Guys I just thought that someone asked a question about a song that I wrote and asked who had covered it.So I told him,if I wrote it ,then they are all covers,and it must have been recorded before the nineties for your information!Hmm, so when did you write it? Did you ever play it for someone? Did you record it? And what exactly are the similarities between your song and "Too Much Love Will Kill You"? |
marslander 26.01.2006 10:58 |
As I recall the text of my song is word for word identical to the released number with one line which I remember altering before the song left my hands. Originally I wrote the line "you used to bring me sunshine,now all you ever do is bring me down." I loved the bands music but knowing about Freddie meant that every time I saw them or heard about them in the news it desperately upset me. I wrote the song for them to release so I changed the line round in the hope that I would one day hear these words being sung back to me. I hardly believed that I ever actually would hear these sung back to me, but apparantly they were! I wrote the song on the back of note paper which belonged to a club which my father was chairman of in order that it could be traced back to me. Of course it never has been.This hand written draft is probably long since destroyed. I have played the song many times in public here in Holland where I now live,I may have even played it to you, but there is no public record of it. If you are interested then please post a notice here and I would be more than happy to play it for you in person,You can judge for yourself. I will not tell you exactly which year it was as that would compromise others.Of this I have no intention. Drop a line to this board 'dan zie je vanzelf als het waar is of niet !!!" Liefs marslander |
bohemianrhap84 26.01.2006 21:37 |
what difference does it make which version came out first? both versions are great. Queen's is very emotional. Even though it was recorded a couple years before Freddie's death, it sounds as though it was written about him. Brian's version is also very moving. Personally I prefer Freddie singing it. |
marslander 27.01.2006 14:36 |
here here |