Sithmarauder 21.01.2006 20:15 |
A couple concerts that are currently being shared here are now officially available on Queen's Top 100 Bootlegs. Live At The Warehouse Hammersmith Odeon Christmas Concert link. I discontinued my seeding of the Warehouse show. This really SUCKS! |
ActionThisDay 21.01.2006 20:48 |
I know I shouldn't say this, but I think its bad that you have to pay £5 for a concert when folk's could come here, but on the other hand I can also see where Queen are coming from as well.....trouble is most fans have some bootlegs in there collection already. |
Smitty 21.01.2006 21:02 |
Well, QPL wanted to quash bootlegging they said. They just want to stop the free downloads. If they can find some bootlegs that are popular and make them official at the click of a mouse AND make money AND stop downloading without paying, that's some pretty smart business... But that will encourage trading again and make collecting bootlegs more of a challenge, yes? |
TheGame 21.01.2006 21:19 |
I just wonder how on earth they can do bootlegs official when they haven't recorded it themself?? |
ActionThisDay 21.01.2006 22:35 |
.......and they could alway's released the 'Live' stuff they have in their vaults. I'm sure they have some gems in there that were bootlegged by the folk's that went to the show's anyway (Euro Jazz Tour comes to mind) and didn't someone say that all the Euro Hot Space Shows were recorded as well? |
teleman 22.01.2006 02:58 |
TheGame wrote: I just wonder how on earth they can do bootlegs official when they haven't recorded it themself??They wrote the songs. They performed the songs. The songs were recorded without permission. I think legally they are entitled to their intellectual property(the songs) and performance royalties. Since the recordings weren't authorized they can take it as their own. |
bitesthedust 22.01.2006 04:44 |
Apparently the quality of concerts they are offering is average, so I've been told.... Surely a better way of "outdoing the bootleggers" would be to release proper cds and dvds? For example - anyone here that has downloaded Hammersmith 1975 in FLAC is not going to want the official version... |
[ Wybren™ ] 22.01.2006 06:02 |
bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote: Apparently the quality of concerts they are offering is average, so I've been told.... Surely a better way of "outdoing the bootleggers" would be to release proper cds and dvds? For example - anyone here that has downloaded Hammersmith 1975 in FLAC is not going to want the official version...The 192 kB/s version doesn't have the Rock'N'Roll Medley. For those who don't have it yet (I believe it's still up): link |
TheGame 22.01.2006 07:04 |
teleman wrote:Omg, i understand that, but according to you, all bootlegs is official then. Because no bootlegs is recorded with permission unless they record it themselves.TheGame wrote: I just wonder how on earth they can do bootlegs official when they haven't recorded it themself??They wrote the songs. They performed the songs. The songs were recorded without permission. I think legally they are entitled to their intellectual property(the songs) and performance royalties. Since the recordings weren't authorized they can take it as their own. I think this whole thing is stupid, why can't they just release some of the goodies they have in the vault instead of doing this. |
Thanks 22.01.2006 11:17 |
Don't the BBC own the rights to the 24-12-75 show? |
deleted user 22.01.2006 11:20 |
QOL is doing something illegal, selling bootlegs recorded by fans. Things they should do instead is: 1. Sell the things lossless. 2. Sell the soundboard recording. Then I should maybe buy it. |
Jay Mantis 22.01.2006 11:20 |
So this mean that we can't share anymore of these bootelgs? That's a bit over the top. |
Maruga 22.01.2006 11:25 |
<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: QOL is doing something illegal, selling bootlegs recorded by fans. Things they should do instead is: 1. Sell the things lossless. 2. Sell the soundboard recording. Then I should maybe buy it.Yes, it's illegal. But if they sell the cd, i'll buy it, not download mp3, it's the same that in here. |
Sithmarauder 22.01.2006 11:38 |
It seem's that Queen Production's attitude is, Why let the Bootleggers make money off these recording when they can make the money? Unfortunately, the ones downloading these concerts for free are getting hurt. Someone asked why Queen Production should be allowed to make an official release out of a copy made by a fan. Well recording concerts is illegal. |
zuzumu 22.01.2006 11:59 |
Sithmarauder wrote: Well recording concerts is illegal.Of course, but tell that to the security people checking your bags before the venue ;-). As I can tell from the Queen concerts I have visited e.g. last year nobody was really "checked" for the camera, digicam or whatever. No security asked what the cam can do or took it away. You saw huge informations in front of the entrances saying: no cameras allowed no video recording allowed no audio recording allowed ...but no-one really cared. And on the other hand people shall send in e.g. pics to QP, Q+PR, PR to be published on their websites to remember a great show. I just think the whole problem starts right there. On one hand you should take pics and send them in and actually it is forbidden and it is no difference with the audio/video recordings. Due to different laws from country to country, I don't think that any fan knows what's definitely right or wrong. |
Sithmarauder 22.01.2006 12:17 |
zuzumu wrote:I'm not taking sides here, I'm just pointing out what we have against us that's all. I'm as unhappy about the official bootleg releases as anyone else here. Unfortunately, this is what we have going against us. Frankly speaking, us Queen fans are the backbone of what keeps Queen alive and I think we deserve better than a kick in the ass by Queen production. That is my opinion on this whole issue.Sithmarauder wrote: Well recording concerts is illegal.Of course, but tell that to the security people checking your bags before the venue ;-). As I can tell from the Queen concerts I have visited e.g. last year nobody was really "checked" for the camera, digicam or whatever. No security asked what the cam can do or took it away. You saw huge informations in front of the entrances saying: no cameras allowed no video recording allowed no audio recording allowed ...but no-one really cared. And on the other hand people shall send in e.g. pics to QP, Q+PR, PR to be published on their websites to remember a great show. I just think the whole problem starts right there. On one hand you should take pics and send them in and actually it is forbidden and it is no difference with the audio/video recordings. Due to different laws from country to country, I don't think that any fan knows what's definitely right or wrong. |
Bobby_brown 22.01.2006 15:24 |
I really don't think we should talk about this, unless the moderators of this site think otherwise. It's ridiculous now to think that the bootlegs are now "officials" just because they were put online by Queenonline. If they're gonna release 100 bootlegs, then a year from now there's nothing we can share. They want to stop bootlegers of making money with those recordings?- Thats exactly what we are doing here. Sharing for free. If they want to release something official, then go to the mastertapes and do it. I would be glad to buy that. But i don't buy meaningless recordings just because of their greed! I rather guive my money to bootlegers than to Queenproductions. It´s one hell of a deal. Imagine the profits they're making with bootlegs?! In a year or two they release online the mastertapes and it's more money again for the same thing. They should be ashamed in the first place for this idea (especialy Brian who was happy about it). And they should be ashamed about using the name of the Mercury Phoenix trust to promote this garbage. What are they thinking- I'm i going to feel guilty for not downloading from them, so the money could go the the foundation?- Hell, no!! If they want to use the foundation name to sell a product then they should think better about the quallity of it! We can reverse things by saying that if they want to make real charity, then they should release the concerts from the soundboard, and they woul certainly be receiving about 20 times more for their Foundation to prevent AIDS. I´m really bad about it, and i can't stand bad marketing!! In my opinion, unless otherwise stated these bootlegs can be shared here! Take care |
deleted user 22.01.2006 16:40 |
as i always say about QOL WHO GIVES A FUCK! its not been announced on here by a moderator or admin that we cant share it cos its "official" official my arse! in my opinion its illegal selling of bootlegs, which the cash goes into there back pocket, as far as we should be concerned we aint seen the downloads on QOL and should do the right thing and SHARE FREELY! if they wanted to stop bootlegging, INCREASE THE SEARCHES EBFORE A GIG! RELEASE MORE MASTER TAPES! its not difficult jesus, just get on with sharing as normal fuck QOL! thats what freddie would sya "fuck em" |
Sithmarauder 22.01.2006 17:25 |
I suggest that you people go into the site, enter the help menu a read about License Acquisition and DRM. |
deleted user 22.01.2006 17:31 |
well its up to you but im sticking with what i said. |
Sithmarauder 22.01.2006 17:48 |
I respect that you are sticking to what you beleive in and I agree with you about FREE sharing. But if QOL went out of their way to issue licences that allow PC limits to 3 and burn to CD, I'd have to believe we cannot share these show freely. |
The Real Wizard 22.01.2006 20:29 |
Illegal or not, QP are currently making money off recordings they didn't produce themselves. Secondly, they are not beating the bootleggers by selling a recording of equal, or even LESS (since it's compressed) quality. They should offer recordings that bootleggers cannot offer.
But why are they trying to "beat the bootleggers", anyway? There are very few factory-pressed Queen bootlegs being sold these days. The bands in highest demand usually are the Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin, and the Grateful Dead. Even so, bootlegs these days are usually limited to a few hundred copies, so these companies aren't making that much money, anyway. QP doesn't need the money, so I can't see what's holding them back from releasing uncut soundboard recordings instead of bootlegs.
Sithmarauder wrote: I respect that you are sticking to what you beleive in and I agree with you about FREE sharing. But if QOL went out of their way to issue licences that allow PC limits to 3 and burn to CD, I'd have to believe we cannot share these show freely.Then people who have this belief can find another way to get the shows. There is always a way! |
Sithmarauder 22.01.2006 22:00 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Illegal or not, QP are currently making money off recordings they didn't produce themselves. Secondly, they are not beating the bootleggers by selling a recording of equal, or even LESS (since it's compressed) quality. They should offer recordings that bootleggers cannot offer. But why are they trying to "beat the bootleggers", anyway? There are very few factory-pressed Queen bootlegs being sold these days. The bands in highest demand usually are the Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin, and the Grateful Dead. Even so, bootlegs these days are usually limited to a few hundred copies, so these companies aren't making that much money, anyway. QP doesn't need the money, so I can't see what's holding them back from releasing uncut soundboard recordings instead of bootlegs.You're a smart man SirGH ;)Sithmarauder wrote: I respect that you are sticking to what you beleive in and I agree with you about FREE sharing. But if QOL went out of their way to issue licences that allow PC limits to 3 and burn to CD, I'd have to believe we cannot share these show freely.Then people who have this belief can find another way to get the shows. There is always a way! |
Jamaleni 23.01.2006 01:51 |
If they want to stop bootleggers they should do what Metallica did on their last tour. Check this out... link Who will bother to record concert and get more or less shitty recording when he/she knew that it will be awailable for download as a soundboard recording for a few bucks. |
Kaybowser 23.01.2006 02:13 |
Yep I bought 3 of the metallica shows myself. quality wasn't the greatest it I'd rather pay them than someone with a tape recorder in the audience. For me I really don't care too much for queen live bootlegs they don't thrill me. Truly I only listened to Live Killers or Wembley about a handful times each and just not to impressed to have alot of queen live. They are much better in the studio. It pretty bad Queen would sell bootleggers crap when they could just sell their own recordings of these concerts. I trully would never pay for a bad recording of any concert. |
icarus falls 23.01.2006 07:36 |
I don't know if any of you remember but a few years ago some small company or other started putting out 'unofficial' live concerts on cd - recorder by audience & then released. The Big companies/artists took them to court and LOST. The official ruling on any bootleg seems to be that copyright of the concert remains with the recorder, not the artist/company. The theory was that since the concert was a broadcast not a specific studio recording it was basically fine to record and sell as long as the words 'unofficial' appeared on the cover. As such, QOL should be paying royalties to the recorders of the show and they cannot count as official releases. |
Bobby_brown 23.01.2006 12:38 |
If there were no bootlegers they wouldn't know half of their history! How ridiculous is the fact of them using private footage of Queen reharsing for the 86 tour on "Live at Wembley" DVD? And the concerts that weren't officialy recorded, how could Greg compiled his book without the bootlegs recordings? And they want to fight back Bootlegers?- Of course!- Now that they know everything, have every rare live concert, now they can shut down bootlegers! Take care |
Sithmarauder 23.01.2006 14:27 |
The sad thing about this whole thing is that if there weren't any bootleggers, Queen Production wouldn't even consider releasing these concerts. They're only doing this because they realize what they are losing out on. They should have just put a red flag on certain concerts that they plan to release in the future and leave the rest for the bootleggers. |
The Real Wizard 27.01.2006 00:35 |
Sithmarauder wrote: They're only doing this because they realize what they are losing out on. They should have just put a red flag on certain concerts that they plan to release in the future and leave the rest for the bootleggers.But that would require brains, and effort... *waves to Manny* |
Jamaleni 27.01.2006 02:25 |
Kaybowser wrote: For me I really don't care too much for queen live bootlegs they don't thrill me. Truly I only listened to Live Killers or Wembley about a handful times each and just not to impressed to have alot of queen live. They are much better in the studio.Are you aware about what you wrote? Queen were much better live than in the studio. |
Fenderek 27.01.2006 05:00 |
I quite honestly don't give a shit what they released "officialy" on QOL- unless I'm told otherwise by Richard himself or YV, if I was to upload a show that's being shared there- I'd do it. Think of one thing- they are beating bootlegers, right? Yet they released Montreal 1981 rip (under wrong title), which QP don't even own the rights to!!! C'mon, who the fuck is braking the law in here? Anyway- bollocks to that. It's not going to affect me one bit. I'm gonna trade whatever the hell I want with whoever wants to. Official or not- I'm going to get them in a GOOD quality ratether than the crap they're "offering". What the fuck are they thinking? I simply don't give a toss about this. At the end of the day- we (QZ) are also beating the bootlegers... :P By offering sometimes (FLAC) the better versions for FREE, we're not earning on it. And anybody can get their hands on it, without paying anyone in the middle... |
Criss3287 27.01.2006 06:26 |
They(QP) should take a look at the German band "die aerzte". They even have their own bootleg server and promote that site (link on their official website, because they got sick of signing bootlegs of the shows they had just played two before! Most of the songs there are ogg-files, but mostly on a high bitrate. That's what they should do! BTW...is anyone going to share the FLAC-version of Mannheim 86 that was banned from dimeadozen? Keeparockin |