QueenZone discussion #689002

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: TNA, it is so stupid! They make a hexagon ring.....What the hell? Superstars- Shark Boy- Greaaaat.....can we spin off the hurricane any better Goldylocks-........uhh.......is she russian? Mr. Aguila-hmmmm.....Remember when he was Galaxy? Sting- Fine, one good person.... Oh and the worst parts JEFF HARDY AND JEFF JARETT ARE BOTH TNA CHAMPIONS! if I remember correctly, Jarett lost the IC title to Chyna and Hardy is done with WWE due to drug charges............good job

<font color=lime>KillerKing840 wrote: *hijacks a bit* How about women wrestling on the mud, wearing tiny bikinis? :D :D :D

JamieSureWould wrote: nice guys realll niceee

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote: Andy, when did you order the DVD? I ordered mine on 09/12, it was sent on the 13th and I got it on the 15th....it's excellent, well worth getting. By the way I'm on MSN if ever want to have a chat....email is: christopher_mason_17@hotmail.com

<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Definitley. Christian was probably in my top 5 favourite wrestlers. Although he did have many shining moments, tag team champions with Edge multiple times, his fued with Edge which got him the IC title, and overall his push in 2001 was awesome. But, he never became a main event wrestler. That really baffles me, he was an excellent wrestler and was great on the mic, he had everything it took to be a champion. The only thing maybe not on his favour was his size, which to me makes no difference, but i think it does to other wrestling fans and probably the writers of the WWE as well. I don't think becoming TNA champion is going to do much justice to his career, he deserves much, much more....

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:

JamieSureWould wrote: nice guys realll niceee

Please realize that most pro wrestling fans are drunk ass, lonely, undersexed losers between ages 15 and 30. People like BTD and Me are people who appreciate the art.

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote: TNA have signed Christian!! Hopefully he'll get a main event push there and the NWA World Title, show Titan what they're missing... Criminally under-rated at WWE in my opinion.

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote: TNA have signed Christian!! Hopefully he'll get a main event push there and the NWA World Title, show Titan what they're missing... Criminally under-rated at WWE in my opinion.

Are you f*cking serious? Thats another great example of how people who couldnt make it in WWE are jumping ship to TNA. And what the fuck is with their ring? Its a squared circle, not a hexagoned circle. if Hexagoned is even a word.

q-_-p wrote:

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote: TNA have signed Christian!! Hopefully he'll get a main event push there and the NWA World Title, show Titan what they're missing... Criminally under-rated at WWE in my opinion.

Are you f*cking serious? Thats another great example of how people who couldnt make it in WWE are jumping ship to TNA. And what the fuck is with their ring? Its a squared circle, not a hexagoned circle. if Hexagoned is even a word.

A classic WWE mark. Next you will be saying how John Cena and Batista are the greatest wrestlers of all time.

<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Yeah i also think it's a slap in the face to people like Booker T, Chris Beniot, Edge, RVD, Matt Hardy and even Val Venis, who have been at the WWE a lot longer and have collected good track records, some of these guys mentioned haven't come close to getting anywhere near the WWE world titles, unlike Batista and Cena, who to me are nothing special in the ring. The two of them are prime examples of WWE over pushing certain superstars and giving their most prestigious titles to guys who should be midcarders in my opinion.

<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Yeah 11 was bad as well, far too many celebrities involved taking the focus right away from the proper wrestling, which i hate. Now lets get into some real wrestling discussion! What are your 3 top tag team matches of all time? (any promotion, any time) Mine would be, in no specific order. 1) Hart Foundation vs. Demolition, Summerslam 1990 (best out of 3 falls) 2) Dudley Boyz vs. Edge and Christian vs. The Hardy Boyz, Wrestlemania 17 (TLC) 3) Ken Shamrock/Big Boss man vs. New Age Outlaws, Rock Bottom 1999 (I think) Yes i am very bored!

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote: Wrestling is like a pantomime...you have to believe what you are seeing but also realise it is mostly coreographed.
It isn't fake...it's pre-determined.
Hi guys,
I'm one of the people who simply can't understand what's so cool about wrestling. I'm seriously interested to learn why you like it. This post has explained it a little bit to me, but I'd like to know from you more about why you find it so exciting.
Is it the coreography? Doesn't the fact that the winner is pre-determined take away the interest in the outcome, unlike other sports? How can you believe what you see if you know it's all been agreed upon? Is the show in itself that is so much fun?
Hey I'm not kidding. I'm really seriously interested. I was just talking about this with friends the other day, but none of them was a wrestling fan so I couldn't really get an answer from them.
Happy new year!

Fairy wrote: Hi guys, I'm one of the people who simply can't understand what's so cool about wrestling. I'm seriously interested to learn why you like it. This post has explained it a little bit to me, but I'd like to know from you more about why you find it so exciting. Is it the coreography? Doesn't the fact that the winner is pre-determined take away the interest in the outcome, unlike other sports? How can you believe what you see if you know it's all been agreed upon? Is the show in itself that is so much fun? Hey I'm not kidding. I'm really seriously interested. I was just talking about this with friends the other day, but none of them was a wrestling fan so I couldn't really get an answer from them. Happy new year!

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Well fairy, a GOOD match would be carried out like this- Before hand, you would decide the winner and the finish, also including things you want to get done such as a reversed finisher or 2 count. Then in the ring, it should be mostly ad-libbed because otherwise, it will look too much like a dance. And it is really easy to talk without being spotted, especially for people with longer hair. You would probably want a good submission, about 30 seconds in the hold, making the good guy look resilient. The bad guy would want to hit a low blow to make himself look helpless. If not a low blow, a weapon shot, eye rake, something illegal. Then, a stunning reversal from the good guy, into a finishing move, into a pin. The most important thing is to keep the crowd guessing. One of the things that shot Bret Hart down is that he finished almost all his WWF matches by going- Clothesline, Elbow Drop, Irish Whip, Atomic Drop, Sharpshooter- It became so predictable that it completely lost shock value of say The Pedigree out of nowhere or a reversal into an Angle Lock.

-Luke_Taylor- wrote: GM mode sucks, all my wrestlers keep getting injured for 16 weeks and gets repetetive, like the season. Here comes the pain had a better season,

<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Wrestlemania 9 makes me cry.......... Some good matches on the card but what a dire event, no wonder WCW was gonna beat WWE in the years to come.... How was it possible to have such a bad event with stars like Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, Ted DiBiase, Undertaker etc.

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:

<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Wrestlemania 9 makes me cry.......... Some good matches on the card but what a dire event, no wonder WCW was gonna beat WWE in the years to come.... How was it possible to have such a bad event with stars like Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, Ted DiBiase, Undertaker etc.

But notice that WCW lost its lead over RAW the second that Flair left? I was a big WCW fan (especially NWO and Goldberg) until Flair left. I was genuinely pissed that Bischoff would be such an idiot.

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote:

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:

<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Wrestlemania 9 makes me cry.......... Some good matches on the card but what a dire event, no wonder WCW was gonna beat WWE in the years to come.... How was it possible to have such a bad event with stars like Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, Ted DiBiase, Undertaker etc.

But notice that WCW lost its lead over RAW the second that Flair left? I was a big WCW fan (especially NWO and Goldberg) until Flair left. I was genuinely pissed that Bischoff would be such an idiot.

I preferred Nitro over Raw throughout the majority of 1996...it was always great to watch that on TNT at 8pm for 2 hours then turn over to Raw on Sky Sports 1 at 10 on a Friday....

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote:

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:

<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Wrestlemania 9 makes me cry.......... Some good matches on the card but what a dire event, no wonder WCW was gonna beat WWE in the years to come.... How was it possible to have such a bad event with stars like Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, Ted DiBiase, Undertaker etc.

But notice that WCW lost its lead over RAW the second that Flair left? I was a big WCW fan (especially NWO and Goldberg) until Flair left. I was genuinely pissed that Bischoff would be such an idiot.

I preferred Nitro over Raw throughout the majority of 1996...it was always great to watch that on TNT at 8pm for 2 hours then turn over to Raw on Sky Sports 1 at 10 on a Friday....

I know, I was in 5th grade during the monday night wars and I was a WCW fan until they lost Flair. While I still liked Goldberg and Kevin Nash, WWF(E) stole Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho not to mention they had Hunter Hearst Helmsley, D-Generation-X and Kurt Angle. WWF could have been matched or even beaten but Eric Bischoff and Larry Zbysko (Sp?) were such dumbasses that they killed it. And now looking back, Goldberg was WCW's only home grown champion.

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:

-Luke_Taylor- wrote: GM mode sucks, all my wrestlers keep getting injured for 16 weeks and gets repetetive, like the season. Here comes the pain had a better season,

The best season mode was Smackdown 2 where you had their set storyline for a year and a half but you could have 4 players and go as long as you wanted. You could even manipulate title competition. The only problem is that it got repetitive and the loading screens were slower than Big Show. That was great for the technology at the time. But I get soooo bored on that GM mode. Triple H never loses and Randy Orton and Rob Van Dam keep trading the IC title. Trish hasnt lost the womens title but she cant win a non title match. And Eugene and Carlto Colon are dominating the Tag Team division. It is not very climactic and SD is whooping us in ratings.

-Luke_Taylor- wrote:

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:

-Luke_Taylor- wrote: GM mode sucks, all my wrestlers keep getting injured for 16 weeks and gets repetetive, like the season. Here comes the pain had a better season,

The best season mode was Smackdown 2 where you had their set storyline for a year and a half but you could have 4 players and go as long as you wanted. You could even manipulate title competition. The only problem is that it got repetitive and the loading screens were slower than Big Show. That was great for the technology at the time. But I get soooo bored on that GM mode. Triple H never loses and Randy Orton and Rob Van Dam keep trading the IC title. Trish hasnt lost the womens title but she cant win a non title match. And Eugene and Carlto Colon are dominating the Tag Team division. It is not very climactic and SD is whooping us in ratings.

i cant comment on smackdown 2, i only played it couple of times on my brothers playstation, back then i had my n64 and was usin no mercy

<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Goldberg got killed off by WWE because Linda McMahon gave him a shitty rap. Nash was my favorite wrestler growing up. Like him and Shawn Michaels. And the problem with WCW was its management, not talent. If you read RF's book, he goes into detail on how Bischoff let Hogan pretty much run the place as he wanted, meaning, Hogan could restrict anybody he wanted. Then those shitty storylines near the end with Ric's family. Bleah. How the fuck is David FLAIR, Larry Zbysko's son? Then Rick's other son (12 years old mind you) comes in and hits HULK HOGAN in a double leg?

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote: It was Halloween Havoc 1998, designed so Hogan could avenge his loss at Wrestlemania 6.

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote: basically.... but the bad guys sometimes get cheered too!

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote: yes he did.... When a wrestler has complete creative control over his television character, you know that's not going to bode well for the promotion as a whole.

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote: But McMahon's different, he owns WWE and isn't a wrestler.... Hogan sucked WCW dry and to a lesser extent, Triple H is doing that with WWE....Andy got it right when he spoke about the Championship picture.

bitesthedust<br><h6>The QZ gentleman... wrote: but Triple H is part of the McMahon family, and has so much power there....that's my point.

<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: You're right QOW he did earn his way to the top, there's no denying that, but unlike The Rock, Mankind, Austin etc (who were the main reasons for the tremendous comeback of WWE in 1998)he just wont or refuses to give up that top spot. His character got predictable and boring but still he wants to be the top guy, he has pushed down people like Randy Orton (who has now been saved in Smackdown) and Chris Jericho. A funny quote from wrestlecrap.com: HHH vs. Ultimate Warrior: The match the Game would like you to forget ended with him getting creamed by the Warrior in under 2 minutes. And people wonder why poor HHH is so protective of his spot.

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: Wrestlemania 22 was the worst ever.

-Luke_Taylor- wrote: wasnt wrestlemania 10 the worst, im starting to collect all the ppvs on dvd now but hbk is the best wrestler ever

-Luke_Taylor- wrote: wasnt wrestlemania 10 the worst, im starting to collect all the ppvs on dvd now but hbk is the best wrestler ever

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: 16 or "2000" was the best

bitesthedust<br><h6> The QZ gentleman... wrote: out of the Wrestlemania's I've seen I'd say 10 was probably the best, for reasons mentioned elsewhere....I'd pick out Wrestlemania's for 1, 2 or 3 memorable matches as opposed to a complete show.

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote:

bitesthedust<br><h6> The QZ gentleman... wrote: out of the Wrestlemania's I've seen I'd say 10 was probably the best, for reasons mentioned elsewhere....I'd pick out Wrestlemania's for 1, 2 or 3 memorable matches as opposed to a complete show.

You got good point with 1-3 with all the memorable Hogan matches

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: RVD deserves a break

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: A lot of people- RVD, Hardcore Holly, Bad Ass (mr ass) Billy Gun, Chavo Guerrero, Scott Hall, Farooq (Ron Simmons), Kane (he needs another), Edge (a real one), Ric Flair (he deserves it), Viscera, Gangrel, Fit Finlay theres a lot more but Im feeling out of it right now

<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Best Survivor Series? Well the best Survivor Series type match in my opinion was in 1991: The Mountie/Ted Dibiase/Warlord/Ric Flair vs. Bret Hart/Roddy Piper/Virgil/British Bulldog But the best overall Survivor Series in my opinion was 1998, the tournament for the Championship, it was awesome. Survivor Series' tend to be really good, kinda like the Royal Rumble, it doesn't matter how bad the industry or the storylines are at that specific time, they always tend to be good in spite of that.

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: RVD deserves to be pushed. I dont think Triple H can ever be face again but it might work. Cena could easily be a heel but if you remember back in 2003 when he was a heel, people kept liking him because he was funny and he got pushed to face.

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: RVD Won the IC title

FreMe wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: RVD Won the IC title

Did you just turn seventeen, or do i have a reeeeally bad memory?

Paul McCartney Junior wrote:

FreMe wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: RVD Won the IC title

Did you just turn seventeen, or do i have a reeeeally bad memory?

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