| Dreamweaver 28.12.2005 06:38 |
I couldn't find this one here so ... here it is: Freddie Mercury & Michael Jackson "There Must Be More To Life Than This" (DEMO) link Enjoy! Cheers to you all !! ;-) |
| Suigi 28.12.2005 12:13 |
Erm...if it has both of them singing, then this is a fakey demo. If it has only Michael singing, and Freddie giving comments while playing piano, then it's the real deal. |
| Dreamweaver 28.12.2005 12:36 |
Hey Suigi, thanks for your reply. But ... I don't know man, I got this a while ago and it IS a DEMO recording of Freddie with Michael Jackson! They did more than just one recording of this song, along with some other tracks ( State of Shock, for example ) you know. There must be a dozen different recordings. I guess this is just one of them. Suigi, do you have a different demo recording and if yes, would you like to share it please?!? Anyway, I thought it was rare enough to share it here @ QZ. If it is fake, well .... than I'm also very happy to have this fake demo! just FUN IT ! Cheers to all Queen fans! ;-) |
| pcgenius9 28.12.2005 13:58 |
There will be all sorts of takes from master tapes etc. There should be seperate tracks and all sorts |
| Penetration_Guru 28.12.2005 14:06 |
Be told, it's fake. Listenable but fake |
| John S Stuart 28.12.2005 15:16 |
Penetration_Guru: Be told, it's fake. Listenable but fake. EXACTLY. This is a FAN mix which was offered up (either in here or on Queenonline - I forget the original mixer) so it is NOT genuine. (Perhaps the real mixer can stand up?). Another rumour which needs to be quashed - is that there are many demo versions of this track. Dreamweaver: "They did more than just one recording of this song..." pcgenius9: "There will be all sorts of takes from master tapes etc. There should be seperate tracks and all sorts". This is simply NOT true. (I accept that the above quotes may be born from misinformation - but nevertheless, they are still totally inaccurate). Only ONE Neverland HOME demo of this track exists. The reason for this is that both Jackson and Mercury "fell out" and the track was NEVER revisited. Any other version out there, (by definition) is a fan mix, as no Official remix has ever been undertaken. Some of these fan mixes are better than others, but NONE are either official or genuine. |
| pcgenius9 28.12.2005 15:46 |
Nobody can record a song in one take. Even you know that. |
| John S Stuart 28.12.2005 16:00 |
pcgenius9 wrote: Nobody can record a song in one take. Even you know that.And even you know that you are being pedantic - because a song CAN be recorded in one 'take' - if it is a HOME demo. Christ - even some studio stuff can be cut in one take. (Try looking for your own examples). So perhaps you should do a bit more homework first, before contributing such inane comments. No other version of 'There Must Be More To Life Than This' (FM & MJ) exits - either as out-take, Karaoke, single-track or mastered version - PERIOD. (If you re-read my above mail, you will see EXACTLY why this is). This is not a negative comment, but why is it that recently in here, there seems to be a growth of those who will strain and perform mental gymnastics to keep unfounded rumour alive - and not accept what is the more simple and accurate version of events? Have our own egos grown so much that we now allow our own personal interpretations of events to over-rule what we know from official channels? |
| Serry... 28.12.2005 16:01 |
pcgenius9 wrote: Nobody can record a song in one take. Even you know that.Sleeping On The Sidewalk by Queen? |
| Gregoryvincke 28.12.2005 16:38 |
give it a chance, this could be a real demo....... i mean there isn't any 'expert' around us to judge if it is a real demo or not. Only god knows! And if it isn't, just have fun with it |
| John S Stuart 28.12.2005 16:49 |
Gregoryvincke wrote: give it a chance, this could be a real demo....... i mean there isn't any 'expert' around us to judge if it is a real demo or not. Only god knows! And if it isn't, just have fun with itTMHOIF!!!!! (Tearing my hair out in frustration!!!!!) This is a FAN remix... I know - and I am NOT God!!! Geez, what is it with all the numpties in here? Is it the time of year or something - or is it a deliberate ploy (like 'Invasion Of The Body-Snatchers') to replace all that we know with both lazy and stupid counterfeits? |
| Mike Label 28.12.2005 17:03 |
John is absolutely right, it's a fan mix, it was labelled that way a while ago when it originally leaked on the net - where's the problem? (by the way - I've heard worse fan mixes) Cheers, Mike |
| Dreamweaver 28.12.2005 17:04 |
Well folks, sorry for giving it a try ... :-( I really thought it was a demo recording and okay, it could also be a Fan Mix. Anyway, I hope all you great people here @ QZ like it. If not ... just delete this ****** song. Cheers everybody! PS: ****** stands for fan mix ! LOL ;-) |
| Mike Label 28.12.2005 17:43 |
Hi Dreamweaver - does it really matter if it's "genuine" or not? What matters to me is if I like it or not ... Like I said I knew this before but thanks for sharing anyway ; ) Cheers, Mike |
| John S Stuart 28.12.2005 18:42 |
Mike Label wrote: does it really matter if it's "genuine" or not? What matters to me is if I like it or not ... Cheers, MikeTwo points Mike. In reverse order and beginning with the latter; "What matters to me is if I like it or not...". No one is stopping anyone else from enjoying this mix, and I too think it has been well done, (even PG says it is "listenable" - and from him that is a compliment!!), so I don't think anyone is disputing whether the mix should be 'liked' or not. As to the first point; "does it really matter if it's "genuine" or not?" , in this case, yes, it really does matter, especially if this untruth is continued to be passed on as something of a rarity. So it should be catalogued correctly, and not passed off as genuine - when it clearly is not so. |
| Wiley 28.12.2005 19:39 |
Gregoryvincke wrote: give it a chance, this could be a real demo....... i mean there isn't any 'expert' around us to judge if it is a real demo or not. Only god knows! And if it isn't, just have fun with itYes, there is an 'expert' here. Actually, there are a few of them. One of them is precisely Mr. John S Stuart. I highly recomend his Ultimate Collection posts for each year, including pretty much every single version for each Queen and solo songs. Here you can find most of the information he has posted: link You can search for the rest using the "Search" button. For a detailed database of audio and video recordings of live concerts, you can try Mr. Scully's site link. Another top reference. For a detailed explanation of the different venues Live Killers you can check Sir GH's page. Right now it seems as it's not working but there's this thread by JSS in QZ that discusses it: link. Other highly reliable sources are Barbara (YourValentine) and Marco (Bokkepot), admins in the QueenHub. If you have downloaded a Queen video with a black screen at the begining and the "YV encoding" message, then you must thank Barbara. These are a few of the people whose posts I usually consider helpful or interesting. There must be many other reliable posters but these are the ones that I'm most familiar with. I think it's OK for a newbie to want to know a lot about Queen. It's fascinating, I know, we've all been there. You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe or maybe do some research to know the truth. It's kinda easy nowadays. You just have to search on Queenzone, ask the experts for references and READ A LOT. It's much better than believing "what could be" or "it's possible that..." kind of arguments. Wiley |
| newcastle 86! 16483 28.12.2005 21:47 |
my god the guy said...............hey if its not a realie then ok! dismiss it or dont. enjoy it or dont. but lets not get upset. |
| deleted user 29.12.2005 00:07 |
as John S Stuart says this is a FAN mix made by PILSENER take a look here: link |
| Manic 29.12.2005 07:06 |
Thanks for taking the time and trouble to upload this anyway Dreamweaver. Any misunderstandings could have been corrected in a more gentle manner and I hope this hasn't put you off uploading in future. Have a good new year mate! |
| pcgenius9 29.12.2005 11:15 |
Linda 4 John |
| Dreamweaver 29.12.2005 12:01 |
Thanks Manic, for your kind words ! Oh well, I will try to upload more new stuff in the future, don't worry. About the Mercury / Jackson thing here: Like I said in an earlier post, I really thought this was a real demo. Unfortunatly it isn't ..... :-( And yes: It is a Fan Mix ... and IMHO a pretty good one. I'll do my homework better before I'll upload another thing, okay. ... and that's the end of another story ( I HOPE ) Cheers to ya' all here @ QZ !! Bye 4 now |
| John S Stuart 29.12.2005 13:16 |
pcgenius9 wrote: Linda 4 JohnShe could do a lot bloody worse!!! |
| Bobby_brown 29.12.2005 13:54 |
John S Stuart wrote:This is indeed a fan mix, and i´ve never thought about that but after i read this comments i did my research, and there is one strong evidence that prooves that this is a fake demo:Mike Label wrote: does it really matter if it's "genuine" or not? What matters to me is if I like it or not ... Cheers, MikeTwo points Mike. In reverse order and beginning with the latter; "What matters to me is if I like it or not...". No one is stopping anyone else from enjoying this mix, and I too think it has been well done, (even PG says it is "listenable" - and from him that is a compliment!!), so I don't think anyone is disputing whether the mix should be 'liked' or not. As to the first point; "does it really matter if it's "genuine" or not?" , in this case, yes, it really does matter, especially if this untruth is continued to be passed on as something of a rarity. So it should be catalogued correctly, and not passed off as genuine - when it clearly is not so. 1- The Demo we're talking about was recorded in 1983, and i think it was Freddie who said that after the "Thriller" success Michael had become reclusive (like our John!!). If you listen to the Demo tape from the Box Set-"Freddie Mercury- Rarities vol.1" - There Must Be More To Life recorded 25th may 1984 you'll see that Freddie isn't near of having a backing track completed. In fact he's strugling just to hit the right notes at the begining!! In this Demo the backing track it's the same as the album finished version, and as you can see, it was impossible to be finished in 1983. So, i guess i'm GOD! Take care |
| Gregoryvincke 14.01.2006 19:55 |
ok dudes, i guess i'm a bit ignorant on this point. As i'm knew on queenzone, i didn't noticed there were demo experts. My appologies and have a nice new year 2006! |
| magicalfreddiemercury 14.01.2006 20:43 |
I found this and State of Shock quite a while ago. When I first saw the webpage with them on it I thought it was a joke. Then I listened, and... what do I know?... it sounded good. Well, Freddie sounded good, anyway. I thought it was strange, yes, but I also thought it was real. Thanks all, for clarifying. Here's the link to the webpage I got them from - if anyone's interested. link |