kdj2hot 24.12.2005 00:50 |
Okay, I was reading the Rolling Stone I got in the mail this week (the one with King Kong on the cover) and in the section talking about best and worst of the yr they have a blurd about the pope dissing Rock and citing Queen and Eagles as examples of how evil it is. I missed that, I would figure it would've been atleast a quirky news item. Anyone else hear about that. |
Asterik 24.12.2005 11:26 |
If it is it just shows how out-of date,prejudiced and irrelevant this Pope is. |
magicalfreddiemercury 24.12.2005 11:28 |
Asterik wrote: If it is it just shows how out-of date,prejudiced and irrelevant this Pope is.Couldn't have said it better myself. <applause> |
john bodega 24.12.2005 11:54 |
... oh for fucks sake, FUCK THE POPE. Can you think of anything less consequential than a bored old sycophant living in a tax free environment preaching his total bullshit message to a bunch of people that don't know any better? Well, there's me. But I reckon I'm only a few rungs underneath him. |
flash! 28068 24.12.2005 11:56 |
*also applauds* Well done! I know this is hardly anything to do with Queen but what does the pope know about rock? He can't stop people from enjoying themselves...this is sinful, living is sinful, breathing is sinful!??...can a world under his power be so boring? He hardly does anything and i havent heard of him travelling across the world to spread the teachings of Christ and Christianity... i havent heard him do anything yet...ah well... he should chill out and listen to Queen! |
spymyshadow 24.12.2005 12:54 |
The mere fact that he knows about bands like Queen and Eagles suprises me a lot |
Music Man 24.12.2005 13:10 |
Maybe the RIAA paid him to say that to boost record sales. |
carboengine 24.12.2005 13:14 |
I hate religion. I read that Bob Dylan had an audience with the former pope and entertained him with some songs. I like Bob Dylan, but it was probably the closest the pope had ever been to hell! The Oscar-Mayer weinermobile: link |
The Real Wizard 24.12.2005 14:24 |
This is old news. In free society, people can choose what they wish to believe, and equally, they can choose what to reject. But unfortunately, in the 21st century, with our given intelligence, there are still people stupid enough to believe in things that are rejected by most rational and modern people: most notably things that lead to bigotry and predudice. All one can do is hope that the next generations will be wiser. |
Forever88 24.12.2005 14:34 |
as freddie said, "Fuck them darling if they just dont get it!" |
it was electric7 24.12.2005 14:37 |
THAT DAMN POPE!!!!!!! I HATE HIM NOW!!!!!!! GRR!! I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL NICE AND SHIT!!! BOOOO!!! |
Hippolyte 24.12.2005 14:44 |
Queen and the Eagles are the best examples of "evil" the Pope could come up with? This is coming from a man who was a Hitler Youth in WWII. Go figure. |
Maruga 24.12.2005 14:50 |
Hippolyte wrote: Queen and the Eagles are the best examples of "evil" the Pope could come up with? This is coming from a man who was a Hitler Youth in WWII. Go figure.That's why i became agnostic. |
DreaminQueen 24.12.2005 16:38 |
Hes not the first to denounce rock music... They need something to complain about. This pope is EXTREMELY conservative. Its merely his opinion, albiet not a well researched one. And i DEFINATLY dont agree at all. So let him use QUEEN as an example, maybe itll bring more fans to the table if they're dead set against the pope. Talk about irony though, he was a member of Hitler Youth, and its rock music hes after... Wow... Theres bigger problems out there. If he wants to focus on bloody good rock music, then let him, but hes only skirting serious issues... but then again, the pope only has say in religious matters anyways. So who cares?! |
sexmachine 24.12.2005 17:13 |
Brian made a great and funny comment about this at the concert in dortmund this year.i´ll upload it as soon as i come back from my christmas visit. |
@ndy38 24.12.2005 17:36 |
Yawn........ If you believe anything Rolling Stone tells you, i think you may need help. Even if you are Christian or non Christian, the Pope is a symbol of peace, i'd rather follow him than the likes of Tony Blair or George W. Bush. |
The prophet's song 24.12.2005 17:48 |
Oh yeah pope, "all god's people" is just the devils anthem! and let's not forget "is this the world we created..." my goodness, that's really evil, I can't stand this evilness, I think I will have to spray my Queen CD's with holy water! If he had mentioned Marylon Manson or Slipknot, I maybey would agree with him, but Queen and the eagels???!!!! I think the question should be "Is this the pope they elected, he doesn't know what's bad, he is screwed in the head, he's going slightly mad..." and so on |
ElanorK 24.12.2005 18:32 |
If its true what the Rollins Stone says then pope is poop |
rockyracoon 24.12.2005 19:36 |
The comment was made by the pope when he was Cardinal Ratzinger, and was made many years ago. He was doing his job, merely pointing out some of the evil influences in rock & roll. And let's face it, a few of Queen's songs include lyrics that are sexually suggestive and promote promiscuity, and are therefore inconsistent with basic Christian ideology. But having personally met this pope (when he was Cardinal Ratzinger), and his predecessor Pope John Paul II, I assure you he has much bigger issues to deal with than music he may find offensive. Although I am non-Catholic, and yet a devout Christian, I suggest you cut the pope some slack. The Christian world recognizes the pope as a symbol of peace and as the face of the Christian world, which has more than a billion believers/followers. (Significantly larger than Queen's fan-base, I might add.) In his role, the pope has a responsibility to communicate messages which he believes will improve the world rather than let it degenerate into abasement or into terminal warfare. And he's far from irrelevant. Who do you want to lead the world in providing moral and spiritual guidance? Britney Spears? Mick Jagger? Michael Jackson?? As we enter the Christmas holiday, let's work toward peace on earth rather than badmouthing and denigrating those who may not be Queen fans. And may the music of Queen continue to elevate our souls and fill us with love. Merry Christmas to all. |
j_stone2525 24.12.2005 20:28 |
"A culture is only as great as its dreams, and its dreams are dreamed by artists.". -LRH |
Sherwood Forest 24.12.2005 21:12 |
POPE BENDICT SPEAKS OUT AGAINST ROCK AND CITES QUEEN AS EXAMPLESwellllll first off- the Pope was a Nazi so well that speaks for itself.. second off- im not Catholic or religous and whomever believes that, even the insanely religous people they are just ssoo ignorant and that is not wise. The world is very differing (couldnt find a good word for that) and thats what makes it great and rock and roll is one of those things that really means a lot to me and a lot of people and if he cant see that he should kill all of the rock and roll artists or put them into concentration camps, thatll solve the problem- it worked so well before didnt it? |
Music Man 24.12.2005 22:31 |
First off, Rolling Stone magazine belongs in the trash. Secondly, I have no idea how this has any bearing on anything. But then again, this is totally consistent with everything Rolling Stone has ever done. |
popy 24.12.2005 23:57 |
rockyracoon wrote: Who do you want to be a leader in providing moral and spiritual guidance in this world?spiritual guidance,ok...but intervening with personal tastes it's another thing,where we can't think and have our OWN opinions well if he sayd that it's better to chance my PERSONAL tastes about music... or not! if anyone tells me not to listen to this or that artist,especially music jornalists,and including the pope,it enters in the left ear at 50mph and goes out in the right ear at 300mph |
beautifulsoup 25.12.2005 00:22 |
"Is This the World We Created?" is an exceptionally evil song. ;) |
sexmachine 25.12.2005 05:34 |
JamieSureWould wrote: the Pope was a Nazihey jamie! i am personally very interessted to know where you´ve got this news from. |
kdj2hot 25.12.2005 06:43 |
knebworth wrote:He may not have been a nazi but he just turned a blind eye to the whole death camp, toxic baths, starvation, torture thing that went on. I heard the nazi's let him study his theology and didn't force him to be involved and I heard he kept watch or something to that extent. I don't knpow which one is true but in fairness I'll just assume he didn't participate.JamieSureWould wrote: the Pope was a Nazihey jamie! i am personally very interessted to know where you´ve got this news from. |
darkblue 25.12.2005 06:46 |
I guess that everyone is smart enough to know what the entertainment is about and what one does in his life :) and it is another example,in my opinion,how journalists got nothing better to do and use old statements. I guess I'm gonna follow Roger and stop buying newspapers :) |
@ndy38 25.12.2005 08:32 |
kdj2hot wrote:Oh that's right, as a young child/man (i think he was approx. 12 when the war started) he could stop the Nazi's! And he was part of the Nazi Youth's because it was law, if he or his parents resisted there would have been serious trouble, aren't you aware a lot of Germans lived in fear under Nazi rule?knebworth wrote:He may not have been a nazi but he just turned a blind eye to the whole death camp, toxic baths, starvation, torture thing that went on. I heard the nazi's let him study his theology and didn't force him to be involved and I heard he kept watch or something to that extent. I don't knpow which one is true but in fairness I'll just assume he didn't participate.JamieSureWould wrote: the Pope was a Nazihey jamie! i am personally very interessted to know where you´ve got this news from. |
inmsthebest 25.12.2005 10:46 |
<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote:It seems you quite like the Pope, i have nothing against him, only the great harm he and the Vatican are doing to veru catholic undeveloped countries such as Kenia an Phlipines with their stupid theories on condoms and birth issues.kdj2hot wrote:Oh that's right, as a young child/man (i think he was approx. 12 when the war started) he could stop the Nazi's! And he was part of the Nazi Youth's because it was law, if he or his parents resisted there would have been serious trouble, aren't you aware a lot of Germans lived in fear under Nazi rule?knebworth wrote:He may not have been a nazi but he just turned a blind eye to the whole death camp, toxic baths, starvation, torture thing that went on. I heard the nazi's let him study his theology and didn't force him to be involved and I heard he kept watch or something to that extent. I don't knpow which one is true but in fairness I'll just assume he didn't participate.JamieSureWould wrote: the Pope was a Nazihey jamie! i am personally very interessted to know where you´ve got this news from. God, they are making children die and people get infected with terrible diseases. As for the comments on Queen as evil....LOL, I just don't give a damn. |
@ndy38 25.12.2005 11:41 |
It's not about liking the Pope it's just that for some reason, people like to bash the Pope and see him somewhat responsible for some of the unjust things happening around this world that are beyond his reach. People even believe petty lies about a person who is a symbol of peace, which to me makes no sense. Surely there are other, more sensible things to criticise than a person who wants us all to love and make peace. |
That guy who digs energy domes 25.12.2005 18:22 |
Proud to be lutheran. Oh yeah. |
April Lady05 25.12.2005 18:22 |
"Okay, I was reading the Rolling Stone I got in the mail this week (the one with King Kong on the cover) and in the section talking about best and worst of the yr they have a blurd about the pope dissing Rock and citing Queen and Eagles as examples of how evil it is. I missed that, I would figure it would've been atleast a quirky news item. Anyone else hear about that." I don't believe the whole thing at all! I tell you why: first, we're not in the 50's when rock and roll was banned or something like that! Second: even the Church has more serious issues (e.g. war, famine, pollution, abortion, etc.) to deal with. Come on, why bother with rock music? Third: Queen has no aggression, rudeness, pornography or obscenity in the lyrics, they've never had a Marylin Manson-like image or so. I don't think they've ever set a bad example to the youth, so what's the matter? |
Future Queen Guitarist 25.12.2005 20:05 |
Hippolyte wrote: Queen and the Eagles are the best examples of "evil" the Pope could come up with? This is coming from a man who was a Hitler Youth in WWII. Go figure.yea he should have said Ac/Dc thaey play devil's music or music to my ears !!!! |
DreaminQueen 25.12.2005 22:27 |
But i think it was just a bad example, but he was referring more to their personal lives i think, but that really doesnt have any effect on the music... And did he ever hear the song Jesus??? But alas, this is one of those personal preference issues that causes fire among the masses. The pope doesnt run my life so hes entitled to his own opinion as am I. |
doremi 26.12.2005 13:15 |
This is old news that Rolling Stone (Yes I Read the article too), is recapping in their year in review. This was reported in the Spring of 2005 when Pope Bendict was first elected, but as I recall, even then it was news about his overall views through his career in the catholic Priesthood and as Bishop, Cardinal, and that he actually made the statement itself, when he was Still a Cardinal I think some 6 years ago. In March and April of 2005, at least a dozen newspapers, magazines (including music magazines), and TV news sources brought this up. Brian also posted the Pope's quote and views about rock's "evil" and citing Queen, The Eagles, etc. as examples on his website. Here's The Pope's views... Read my April Blog archive article... link and the April article from The New York Daily News, scroll down to the end of the article on the section: ''Bet You Didn't Know''. link |
goodco 26.12.2005 13:32 |
yeah, it's really annoying reading links and posts concerning old news, isn't it? |
That guy who digs energy domes 26.12.2005 16:04 |
lets remember that he was a hitler youth... |
April Lady05 26.12.2005 16:51 |
I don't believe everything that's written in the press. Though let's suppose he said that. So what? Church leaders are jealous of pop/rock artists 'cause they've found a new voice to put across their thoughts to young and not so young people but Church has already been discredited. Anyway, if I get to hell after I died why I loved and listened to Queen's music, I won't regret anyting, still it will have been worth living! :) |
That guy who digs energy domes 26.12.2005 18:17 |
...and you are going to let the pope decide YOUR music taste? |
M a t i a s M a y 26.12.2005 21:04 |
hahaha the pope is a big motherfucker I want him dead :) |
Sherwood Forest 26.12.2005 21:41 |
knebworth wrote:oh i heard it on the news with a life story done on our new pope on one of the big news political stations, ur german eh? do u know what Nazis are.?JamieSureWould wrote: the Pope was a Nazihey jamie! i am personally very interessted to know where you´ve got this news from. |
Future Queen Guitarist 26.12.2005 21:44 |
th's what i would also like to know not saying germans suck but i'm polish ( i have my rights so do others)and we don't like nazis at all |
M a t i a s M a y 27.12.2005 00:33 |
you are a polish I'm naftalin hahaha just joking don't get upset, you motherfucker |
That guy who digs energy domes 27.12.2005 11:22 |
Thats it, we have to change something QUEEN OF WRESTLING FOR POPE! My first act as pope is to make "The Prophet Song" and "In The Lap Of The Gods" the official anthems of mass. I also decree that Christainity becomes one united religion so all the lutherans and catholics and other denominations would SHUT THE FUCK UP. My last act is to persecute people speaking out against Queen, acting similar to the spanish "Inquisition". I wish to be called Pope Mini-Fred I |
deleted user 27.12.2005 11:52 |
Well that's the Pope for you. Why must Catholics have to endure this? There are plenty of things the Pope has said that I don't agree with, and this is certainly one of them. One thing I cannot stand is what I like to call 'over-religious people'. If rock music is evil - if Queen are evil for heaven's sake - then I do wonder which bands would be classed as the opposite? |
That guy who digs energy domes 27.12.2005 12:03 |
You know, if Queen is evil.... What about- 50 CENT? LINCOLN PARK? GREENDAY? LUDACRES?(SP? LITTLE JOHN? DROWNING POOL? SYSTEM OF A DOWN? Are they like super-evil then? |
Sherwood Forest 27.12.2005 12:13 |
<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: You know, if Queen is evil.... What about- 50 CENT? LINCOLN PARK? GREENDAY? LUDACRES?(SP? LITTLE JOHN? DROWNING POOL? SYSTEM OF A DOWN? Are they like super-evil then?yea atleast Queen preaches love in most of their songs unlike 50 Cent and actually the rest of the bands out today, theyre all about hate, killing, death, or broken hearts so whatevvv then again the Pop never really had love so maybe he's just jealous?? |
That guy who digs energy domes 27.12.2005 12:30 |
Comparison- The Works Vs 50 cent (his new one) PROFANITY AND INDECENT LYRICS The Works Man on the Prowl- "All I Want To Do Is Sit On My Ass" Tear It Up- "Give Me your body", "I want to be your toy on your birthday party" Hammer To Fall- Violent theme 50 Cent Candy Shop- Sexual innuendo, where do I start? Fuck, I dont even know how to do this Moral of the story is Queen being evil is like comparing Beige to black. Not exactly white but definalty not black. |
That guy who digs energy domes 27.12.2005 13:20 |
The Pope wrote: Blasphemers!!! Besides, I said THE Queen is evil, not Queen. Watch her. Watch her closely. Yours is popeness, Bene.Im taking your job! |
Future Queen Guitarist 27.12.2005 22:05 |
lol me for pope make the songs queen of wrestling mentioned the official themes of the church and make everybody give freddie, roger , brian , AND JOHN their best blessings the church of queen it will be called |
sparverius 28.12.2005 05:39 |
There's a post by rockyracoon on the first page of the topic. I would suggest that you all read it carefully as it correctly presents the context of the Pope's statement. It seems that the majority of those who have posted here understand that he is slating Queen per se, which obviously is far from true. Mind you, I would not be surprised if the Pope didn't have an idea about who Queen are. |
In_the_lap_of_Roger 28.12.2005 12:35 |
I hope the fuck-ass pope read this. Hi fucker!! I hope you will have a great day and that you will make the world a better place by go and strangle yourself after you've donated money to me and this site. If that is too complicated for you I hope some other motherfucker (or perhaps a friendly soul here at QZ) kills you slowly with an old chainsaw. Bye for now....mohaha |
The Real Wizard 28.12.2005 13:22 |
<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Surely there are other, more sensible things to criticise than a person who wants us all to love and make peace.Yeah, and on one condition: That we all become catholic. That man is beyond out of touch with the modern world. Arlene R. Weiss wrote: Brian also posted the Pope's quote and views about rock's "evil" and citing Queen, The Eagles, etc. as examples on his website.When did Brian react to this? I must have missed it! |
gnomo 28.12.2005 13:36 |
... please not that one again ...! It's a 20-year-old document from some religious research subcommission made of people who knew nothing about contemporary music and simply searched the gutter press until they piled a sufficient amount of crap to fill a suitably-sized report. And it still gets quoted again and again...! Bleargh! |
picky 28.12.2005 13:42 |
MaTiaSMaY wrote: hahaha the pope is a big motherfucker I want him dead :)Matias deja de molestar! Si te banearon de Argenqueen no es nuestra culpa! joj! |
@ndy38 28.12.2005 13:43 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:If he is so out of touch with the modern world, then why does he have millions of people throughout the world respecting him and seeing him as an icon? Does that mean all these people are out of touch with reality too? It may surprise some of you to hear this, but, the Catholic Church respects other religious traditions and beliefs that exist throughout the world, even if doesn't agree with what they believe in or in some cases, stands for. I would also like to add on another note that all this Catholic Church/Christian/Religion bashing could be offending some people.<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Surely there are other, more sensible things to criticise than a person who wants us all to love and make peace.Yeah, and on one condition: That we all become catholic. That man is beyond out of touch with the modern world. |
gnomo 28.12.2005 13:48 |
The Pope wrote: YEAH, YOU PROTESTANT MOFOs!!!I'm a Catholic, I can see St.Peter's from my window right now and I know what I'm talking about. Are you, "holy father"? -- Gnomo |
Music Man 28.12.2005 14:32 |
<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote:You all should listen to gnomo and Andy. It's a shame that we still have so much ignorance in this world, but this time it isn't coming from the Church.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:If he is so out of touch with the modern world, then why does he have millions of people throughout the world respecting him and seeing him as an icon? Does that mean all these people are out of touch with reality too? It may surprise some of you to hear this, but, the Catholic Church respects other religious traditions and beliefs that exist throughout the world, even if doesn't agree with what they believe in or in some cases, stands for. I would also like to add on another note that all this Catholic Church/Christian/Religion bashing could be offending some people.<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Surely there are other, more sensible things to criticise than a person who wants us all to love and make peace.Yeah, and on one condition: That we all become catholic. That man is beyond out of touch with the modern world. |
rockyracoon 28.12.2005 18:44 |
Fortunately there are several people on this board who understand the pope's value to the world. Yet unfortunately, I remain deeply disappointed with the majority. Near the bottom of the first page on this topic, I posted a message in which I tried to put the pope's remarks in the proper perspective. Nonetheless, the majority has chosen to hurl insults, invectives, and expletives. I previously thought Queen had fans with discriminating taste and were above the run-of-the-mill rock & roll crowd. Obviously not so. For those who perceive the role of the pope to be irrelevant, you might want to turn the calendar back 15 to 20 years and see how Pope John Paul II, nearly single-handedly, brought down the Soviet Union and liberated Eastern Europe. Let's ask eastern europeans to tell us of the pope's irrelevance. The pope currently has his hands full with issues such as the worldwide shortage of priests, the financial condition of the church, gay marriage, abortion, pedophilia in the American church, etc. You'll have to trust me on this one.....Queen's music hasn't made it to his radar screen. |
inmsthebest 28.12.2005 19:07 |
rockyracoon wrote: Fortunately there are several people on this board who understand the pope's value to the world. Yet unfortunately, I remain deeple disappointed with the majority. Near the bottom of the first page on this topic, I posted a message in which I tried to put the pope's remarks in the proper perspective. Nonetheless, the majority has chosen to hurl insults, invectives, and expletives. I previously thought Queen had fans with discriminating taste and were above the run-of-the-mill rock & roll crowd. Obviously not so. For those who perceive the role of the pope to be irrelevant, you might want to turn the calendar back 15 to 20 years and see how Pope John Paul II, nearly single-handedly, brought down the Soviet Union and liberated Eastern Europe. Let's ask eastern europeans to tell us of the pope's irrelevance. The pope currently has his hands full with issues such as the worldwide shortage of priests, the financial condition of the church, gay marriage, abortion, pedophilia in the American church, etc. You'll have to trust me on this one.....Queen's music hasn't made it to his radar screen.I only hope that among those important issues is one of the most important: AIDS in Africa, it's a terrible pandemic there and they keep on talking about sex in the wrong direction, I think. |
Fireplace 28.12.2005 20:06 |
rockyracoon wrote: For those who perceive the role of the pope to be irrelevant, you might want to turn the calendar back 15 to 20 years and see how Pope John Paul II, nearly single-handedly, brought down the Soviet Union and liberated Eastern Europe. Let's ask eastern europeans to tell us of the pope's irrelevance. QUOTE] Yes, and then he went on to "bring down" Africa by letting Africans rot away from he disease he could have easily saved them from. The pope currently has his hands full with issues such as the worldwide shortage of priests, the financial condition of the church, gay marriage, abortion, pedophilia in the American church, etc. You'll have to trust me on this one.....Queen's music hasn't made it to his radar screen.Did any one ASK the pope to speak out about gay marriage? If he just lets it go he can scrap that one off his list. Aren't the financial condition of the church and pedophilia in the American church the direct consequences of the Vatican policy? I'll gladly respect anything you wish to believe, but since the Catholic church continually tries to impose it's views on the rest of the world, there's precious little chance of having the favour returned. |
Fireplace 28.12.2005 20:07 |
Fireplace wrote:rockyracoon wrote: For those who perceive the role of the pope to be irrelevant, you might want to turn the calendar back 15 to 20 years and see how Pope John Paul II, nearly single-handedly, brought down the Soviet Union and liberated Eastern Europe. Let's ask eastern europeans to tell us of the pope's irrelevance. The pope currently has his hands full with issues such as the worldwide shortage of priests, the financial condition of the church, gay marriage, abortion, pedophilia in the American church, etc. You'll have to trust me on this one.....Queen's music hasn't made it to his radar screen.Yes, and then he went on to "bring down" Africa by letting Africans rot away from he disease he could have easily saved them from. |
Fireplace 28.12.2005 20:07 |
Fireplace wrote:Fireplace wrote:rockyracoon wrote: For those who perceive the role of the pope to be irrelevant, you might want to turn the calendar back 15 to 20 years and see how Pope John Paul II, nearly single-handedly, brought down the Soviet Union and liberated Eastern Europe. Let's ask eastern europeans to tell us of the pope's irrelevance. The pope currently has his hands full with issues such as the worldwide shortage of priests, the financial condition of the church, gay marriage, abortion, pedophilia in the American church, etc. You'll have to trust me on this one.....Queen's music hasn't made it to his radar screen.Yes, and then he went on to "bring down" Africa by letting Africans rot away from he disease he could have easily saved them from. Did any one ASK the pope to speak out about gay marriage? If he just lets it go he can scrap that one off his list. Aren't the financial condition of the church and pedophilia in the American church the direct consequences of the Vatican policy? I'll gladly respect anything you wish to believe, but since the Catholic church continually tries to impose its views on the rest of the world, there's precious little chance of having the favour returned. |
Fireplace 28.12.2005 20:08 |
Fireplace wrote:Fireplace wrote:Fireplace wrote:rockyracoon wrote: For those who perceive the role of the pope to be irrelevant, you might want to turn the calendar back 15 to 20 years and see how Pope John Paul II, nearly single-handedly, brought down the Soviet Union and liberated Eastern Europe. Let's ask eastern europeans to tell us of the pope's irrelevance. The pope currently has his hands full with issues such as the worldwide shortage of priests, the financial condition of the church, gay marriage, abortion, pedophilia in the American church, etc. You'll have to trust me on this one.....Queen's music hasn't made it to his radar screen.Yes, and then he went on to "bring down" Africa by letting Africans rot away from a disease he could have easily saved them from. Did any one ASK the pope to speak out about gay marriage? If he just lets it go he can scrap that one off his list. Aren't the financial condition of the church and pedophilia in the American church the direct consequences of the Vatican policy? I'll gladly respect anything you wish to believe, but since the Catholic church continually tries to impose its views on the rest of the world, there's precious little chance of having the favour returned. |
rockyracoon 28.12.2005 21:41 |
Ahh, Fireplace, where to start... Yes, the AIDS pandemic, poverty, ignorance, prejudice, human rights abuses, political aggression, disease, social unrest, terrorism, nuclear weapons, etc., are all worthy of the pope's attention. Do you honestly believe the pope has "brought down" Africa by letting them rot in disease? And you believe that he could have easily saved them from AIDS? Perhaps you haven't heard that Catholic Relief Services and nuns from many orders are assisting in Africa? You aren't aware of educational efforts regarding what causes and transmits AIDS? Are you attempting to blame the pope for the AIDS pandemic while absolving the general population of disregarding safe and clean practices? The pope and the church in general teach correct principles and then let people live their own lives, with their own free will and agency. The pope has no control over people's sexual activities any more than he has control over the behavior of a drug addict. He might be able to influence, but the ultimate control and decisions are always exercised by the individual. I'm reminded of something Mother Teresa said quite a few years ago. She said there are no global problems. All problems perceived to be global problems are really local problems, and as such, need to be addressed one by one on a local basis. If everyone did his share in assisting on a local basis, most problems perceived to be "global" could be significantly alleviated most effectively. Regarding gay marriage (or abortion, for that matter), the pope is going to speak out on practices being adopted by the world which are inconsistent with scripture. Gay marriage isn't going to go away merely by the pope not talking about it anymore. Granted, the financial condition of the church is a result of vatican policy, the way it raises or doesn't raise money, etc. Pedophilia in the American church is NOT a result of Vatican policy. Unfortunately, it is a result of policy by the American cardinals and bishops who negligently gave preference to the need for priests over the need to protect children. And Pope John Paul II was incredibly angry and distressed about it and rightfully came down hard on the Americans. Lastly, the Catholic Church doesn't try to impose its views on the rest of the world. It tries to teach correct principles and provide guidance. And I can't imagine that any of your freedoms have been abridged by anything coming from the pope. He's not telling you how to live your life. He's merely offering suggestions. You still have your free agency to make all your own decisions. |
Sithmarauder 28.12.2005 21:59 |
I'm a Catholic, but I think the pope should focus more on the pedophiles in his own church rather than rock bands. |
In_the_lap_of_Roger 29.12.2005 08:03 |
Sithmarauder wrote: I'm a Catholic, but I think the pope should focus more on the pedophiles in his own church rather than rock bands.You seem smart. |
Fireplace 29.12.2005 12:42 |
rockyracoon wrote: Yes, the AIDS pandemic, poverty, ignorance, prejudice, human rights abuses, political aggression, disease, social unrest, terrorism, nuclear weapons, etc., are all worthy of the pope's attention. Do you honestly believe the pope has "brought down" Africa by letting them rot in disease? And you believe that he could have easily saved them from AIDS? Perhaps you haven't heard that Catholic Relief Services and nuns from many orders are assisting in Africa? You aren't aware of educational efforts regarding what causes and transmits AIDS? Are you attempting to blame the pope for the AIDS pandemic while absolving the general population of disregarding safe and clean practices? The pope and the church in general teach correct principles and then let people live their own lives, with their own free will and agency. The pope has no control over people's sexual activities any more than he has control over the behavior of a drug addict. He might be able to influence, but the ultimate control and decisions are always exercised by the individual. I'm reminded of something Mother Teresa said quite a few years ago. She said there are no global problems. All problems perceived to be global problems are really local problems, and as such, need to be addressed one by one on a local basis. If everyone did his share in assisting on a local basis, most problems perceived to be "global" could be significantly alleviated most effectively. Regarding gay marriage (or abortion, for that matter), the pope is going to speak out on practices being adopted by the world which are inconsistent with scripture. Gay marriage isn't going to go away merely by the pope not talking about it anymore. Granted, the financial condition of the church is a result of vatican policy, the way it raises or doesn't raise money, etc. Pedophilia in the American church is NOT a result of Vatican policy. Unfortunately, it is a result of policy by the American cardinals and bishops who negligently gave preference to the need for priests over the need to protect children. And Pope John Paul II was incredibly angry and distressed about it and rightfully came down hard on the Americans. Lastly, the Catholic Church doesn't try to impose its views on the rest of the world. It tries to teach correct principles and provide guidance. And I can't imagine that any of your freedoms have been abridged by anything coming from the pope. He's not telling you how to live your life. He's merely offering suggestions. You still have your free agency to make all your own decisions.Thank you for your thorough and eloquent answer. I will resist temptation (that's almost Catholic :-)and not put up a religious polemic on a Queen-fansite, but I do feel the need to respond to the part about AIDS. The reason AIDS is ravaging Africa is not the sexual behaviour of the average African. Human sexual behaviour is more or less the same all over the world, and the only reasons that Africa compares unfavourably to the West in terms of AIDS-vicitims are money and education. To put it simple: we screw and know how to protect ourselves, they screw and don't have either the money/knowledge or both. I am sure a great deal of Catholics in the Western world use condoms. Better a safe sinner than a dead saint, if you'll pardon my meager attempt at humour. The same pope that, according to you, is doing so much to improve awareness, is also depriving people of the simplest and safest way to avoid getting infected by effectively prohibiting the use of condoms. Of course I realise celibacy is an even better way, but considering the fact that the human race depends on sex for it's survival, not very feasible. |
rockyracoon 29.12.2005 13:33 |
Fireplace, I have to agree that AIDS is a particularly difficult issue. While the Catholic church teaches sexual abstinence outside of marriage, most cultures find that too difficult, onerous, and restrictive. And yes, education and money to afford condoms become issues. And then there's the frequently irresistable urge to go bare-back even when condoms are readily available, which has resulted in no shortage of AIDS cases in even the educated and wealthy countries. Since the Catholic church teaches abstinence, it would be hypocritical for them to just hand out condoms. Instead, the Catholic Relief Services and nuns provide some measure of support and treatment, though hardly adequate, for those who become afflicted with AIDS. The church has opted to leave condom distribution up to the local governments, which are obviously not doing much of a job. Have to give credit to Bono for all his work in trying to get the wealthier western nations involved in financial support. And thanks for your commentary. I have enjoyed your sense of humor. |
That guy who digs energy domes 29.12.2005 14:08 |
gnomo wrote:Sorry, Protestant, my badThe Pope wrote: YEAH, YOU PROTESTANT MOFOs!!!I'm a Catholic, I can see St.Peter's from my window right now and I know what I'm talking about. Are you, "holy father"? -- Gnomo |
gnomo 30.12.2005 05:34 |
Music Man wrote: You all should listen to gnomo and Andy. It's a shame that we still have so much ignorance in this world, but this time it isn't coming from the Church.Thank you Music Man - of course that was just a reprise of an old declaration from Cardinal Ratzinger, based on an even older study, but probably my point did not come across too clearly (sorry, English is not my language). So please forgive me if I point out that IMHO on this specific topic (as, unfortunately, on several more relevant) the catholic Church's official position actually IS the result of largely out-of-date and out-of-touch information, because AFAIK that report STILL gets used as the main reference by both the clergy and their critics, as if nothing else had happened in contemporary music and its impact on society since it was compiled. And that does NOT make me too proud of being a catholic; first, because I think that everybody should only talk about what they actually know, and retrieve reliable first-hand information before talking about what they don't know, or otherwise refrain from talking. Second, and more important, because I think any organized religion should only give a MORAL guidance to its followers, and not a clear-cut black-and-white this-is-good-that-is-bad step-by-step guide to every aspect of everyday life (there, I've nearly used up my full allowance of hyphens for 2006). Third, because I think that such silly and unnecessary slips on minor subjects might actually diminish / undermine the overall value and credibility of the Church's moral and spiritual authority, in the view of both catholics and non-catholics. And that's just a sorry waste of energy and resources, as well as lives - many thanks to rockyracoon and Fireplace for their insight about the AIDS issue in Africa. By pointing out that I'm a catholic, I meant to remind that anyway (thank God!) the Pope's authority today is not what it used to be centuries ago, and catholics no longer use to blindly follow his every direction about everything - luckily, they also mostly aware of the political and cultural issues involved in the definition of "religious" guidelines, and use their own conscience and free will accordingly. For instance, in Fireplace's words, I'm a safe sinner and I NEVER considered being a dead saint or a living ascete, whatever the Holy Father might say about it - just like most people I know. So, no offence meant to QueenOfWrestling and all non-catholics here - it was rather the other way round: I DO understand your points and I actually share (not just agree with) some of your criticism. What I do not understand is out-of-context sensationalism and religious bashing for the sake of it. I did not expect that from Queen fans, whom I generally consider above average intelligence. FWIW My best wishes to all for a peaceful 2006. |
Fireplace 30.12.2005 08:17 |
Well spoken Gnomo. I still suspect that religion is not as much the problem as people's interpretation of religion, and I firmly believe that NO ONE should have as much power as the pope has, even being a religious leader. There is strength in diversity, and too much emphasis on the views of just one man may be a threat to that strength. Your healthy views on catholicism show that there is still hope! My best wishes for 2006 to all who made an intelligent contribution, and perhaps we should now all go back to the rockin' 'n' rollin' that brought us here in the first place! |
DreaminQueen 30.12.2005 15:45 |
OK, first off i dont really agree with the religious pope bashing going on here. As stated this document is old, and thats merely his opinion, among many others. Who at that time really in an adult sense, especially if they were the God-fearing christians really LIKED rock n Roll, i meany my grandmother wouldnt let my father own any Rolling Stones albums. So thats much like a generational thing, not just a religious thing. And everyone has a right to have their own religion and believe or not believe in what they want to. I am a Catholic, but i do not live my life by every word that comes out of the popes mouth, or that comes from the Bible for that matter, because it what was was right for that time, however i do agree with the major principles of brotherhood, peace etc. And its not the popes fault the AIDS epidemic in Africa, and its not exactly his job to help end it. He can preach abstinance etc, and like anything else, people can take that into account in their own lives and use it, or they can do as they wish, thus the beauty of free will. With that said, Happy New Year to ALL! I Wish all of you Happiness, Health and Luck for the new year 2006. |
That guy who digs energy domes 30.12.2005 16:20 |
The Pope wrote: The Pope RULES!!!!!!!Mr Pope, Please, Allow me to purify your soul with urine of the wrestler child. |
The Real Wizard 31.12.2005 01:46 |
<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: If he is so out of touch with the modern world, then why does he have millions of people throughout the world respecting him and seeing him as an icon? Does that mean all these people are out of touch with reality too?Most catholics adhere to something called "cafeteria catholicism", where they pick and choose which parts of the faith they agree with. The number of people who agree with every teaching of the church is decreasing by the day. It's been decreasing since the birth of modern science. So, out of those who do accept every teaching of the church, yes, they are out of touch with reality. I'll explain further below: rockyracoon wrote: Regarding gay marriage (or abortion, for that matter), the pope is going to speak out on practices being adopted by the world which are inconsistent with scripture.And that's precisely the problem... the church is still looking backwards for their answers, not forwards. Scripture written in the context of a world 2000 years old cannot be the primary source for wisdom in today's world. For one to believe that women, gays, or any other minority are substandard to others is very unacceptable behaviour in this day and age. Technically, if one takes scripture literally, women cannot work, nobody can get a mortgage on a house, and one must kill someone who disagrees with their belief in god. But back to the subject at hand - history has shows that any time a prejudice is questioned, the prejudice eventually dies. Women couldn't vote in my country until about 100 years ago, and blacks were still segregated 50 years ago. Thankfully those things changed, and now gay people are slowly being accepted as an equal part of society, at least in my country. I'd like to think the church will inevitably fail in this regard, as they have in so many others. How long did it take for the church to admit Galileo was right? 1991? <font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: It may surprise some of you to hear this, but, the Catholic Church respects other religious traditions and beliefs that exist throughout the world, even if doesn't agree with what they believe in or in some cases, stands for.Cardinal Ratzinger himself once said that all deviations from catholic faith are wrong. That doesn't sound like someone who respects other traditions to me... or has he specifically said otherwise recently? I'd be happy if he has. Interesting discussion in this topic, though! |
@ndy38 31.12.2005 07:35 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Most catholics adhere to something called "cafeteria catholicism", where they pick and choose which parts of the faith they agree with. The number of people who agree with every teaching of the church is decreasing by the day. It's been decreasing since the birth of modern science.Yes most Catholics do adhere to 'cafeteria catholicism', but they still see the Pope as an icon, my argument is that if he was 'so out of touch with the rest of the world' then why are these millions of people still seeing him as an inspiration? Surely if he was so out of touch with reality they wouldn't see him in such a high esteem? The Pope is more in touch with the world than you think. For example, here are some recent quotes by Pope Benedict on other faiths. "Yet peace is also a duty to which all peoples must be committed, especially those who profess to belong to religious traditions," "I express my appreciation for the growth of dialogue between Muslims and Christians, both at the local and international level." "I assure you the Church wants to continue building bridges of friendship with the followers of all religions, in order to seek the true good of every person and of society as a whole." And the Pope isn't himself the Catholic Church, millions of Catholics around the world also respect other people's beliefs and traditions. |
DreaminQueen 31.12.2005 14:01 |
Ok, i am a Catholic and i dont exactly revere him as an "icon"... i mean he is the leader of all the catholic churches... but honestly, its just another position, IMO anyways. However, it was detremental to the world with the loss of Pope John Paul II because he did do many great things. And i think we could maybe open the papacy to a more open minded person. But as previously mentioned beautifully, that the Bible is indeed outdated in many fashions. It is my personal belief that God put all of us with differences on purpose, gays, choice of religion, skin color, gender etc are meant to teach us tolerence since God did create all of us. And if you're a good person, it shouldnt matter anything else, at least thats how i feel about people. Id love to get to know anyone and everyone if i could, thats how ill decide if i like you or not. And i think its outrageous that with the shortage of Catholic clergy that the pope is going to deny Gay people the right to become priests... isnt that rather contradictory since priests are celibate (sp?) anyways??? what does it matter, in that case its rather irrelevant isnt it?? If they want to give their lives to God, you want to tell them no because they may have thought sexually about Brad Pitt, for example, at one point?? Wait excuse me, theyll be allowed to become a priest after 3 years w/o homoerotic thoughts or something like that... How will you check that??? Tell me thats not out of touch with reality. |
That guy who digs energy domes 31.12.2005 18:41 |
Please, just read my signature "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; give a man religion and he'll starve himself to death praying for a fish." |
LadyMoonshineDown 31.12.2005 18:52 |
Asterik wrote: If it is it just shows how out-of date,prejudiced and irrelevant this Pope is.Out-of date: He may be out-of date socially and culturally as we define it in our generation, but for Catholocism, and what he represents (or tries to represent), he is merely interpreting his beliefs on the most extreme, something that is sacred to him and many of the followers, and HAS been "sacred" for so many years. Prejudiced: Well, to me, I accept everyone for what they are, who they are, and what they choose to believe, even if I think it's a bit of horseshit (i.e. anti-gay; how stupid). What seems like prejudice to us is just an interpretation of the bible itself. Meh...to each their own. Irrelevant: Try telling that to the hardcore Catholics out there. Cheers |
That guy who digs energy domes 31.12.2005 19:00 |
<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Please, just read my signature "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; give a man religion and he'll starve himself to death praying for a fish." |
Music Man 31.12.2005 19:03 |
<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Please, just read my signature "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; give a man religion and he'll starve himself to death praying for a fish."Yeah, that's silly, and stupid. |
LadyMoonshineDown 31.12.2005 19:10 |
Music Man wrote:That's the point of it-to be silly.<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Please, just read my signature "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; give a man religion and he'll starve himself to death praying for a fish."Yeah, that's silly, and stupid. Cheers |
That guy who digs energy domes 31.12.2005 19:18 |
LadyMoonshineDown wrote:The point of it is to make light of an issue that has created conflict since its beginning.Music Man wrote:That's the point of it-to be silly. Cheers<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Please, just read my signature "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; give a man religion and he'll starve himself to death praying for a fish."Yeah, that's silly, and stupid. |
LadyMoonshineDown 31.12.2005 19:22 |
<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:Or as I said before-LadyMoonshineDown wrote:The point of it is to make light of an issue that has created conflict since its beginning.Music Man wrote:That's the point of it-to be silly. Cheers<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Please, just read my signature "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; give a man religion and he'll starve himself to death praying for a fish."Yeah, that's silly, and stupid. To be silly. Rawr! ;) Cheers |
Music Man 01.01.2006 00:17 |
<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:I know - I enjoyed it. Yet still, it doesn't resolve anything pertinent to this discussion.LadyMoonshineDown wrote:The point of it is to make light of an issue that has created conflict since its beginning.Music Man wrote:That's the point of it-to be silly. Cheers<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Please, just read my signature "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; give a man religion and he'll starve himself to death praying for a fish."Yeah, that's silly, and stupid. |
That guy who digs energy domes 01.01.2006 01:01 |
Music Man wrote:It means look past religion. It is not your place to challenge another's religion. In fact, all religions and cultures have so many messed up things, that for the good of all should be destroyed.<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote:I know - I enjoyed it. Yet still, it doesn't resolve anything pertinent to this discussion.LadyMoonshineDown wrote:The point of it is to make light of an issue that has created conflict since its beginning.Music Man wrote:That's the point of it-to be silly. Cheers<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: Please, just read my signature "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; give a man religion and he'll starve himself to death praying for a fish."Yeah, that's silly, and stupid. Although there is one good culture- Bacteria |
Ready_Coddie 01.01.2006 01:28 |
him declaring Queen evil is maybe because Freddie had AIDS & some fellow must have explained him recently that you get AIDS because of having sex usually... then he was explained what sex is & he got so angry at the 'unholiness' he declared them evil. As for the eagles, he didn't like eagles... However, I think it might boost the sales of Queen stuff cuz many teenage losers think whatever declared evil is very cool & anarchist & all... for all I know the pope may be paid by Queen itself to say that. a joke on the pope: 'A man once approached the pope & asked: "I am from Venky's chicken. If you convince the council to change from 'our bread & water' to 'Our chicken & water' in the bible, I will pay you 80 Billion bucks". The pope takes out his cellphone & calls the council, "Tell wonder bread we will no longer renew their contract." |
DreaminQueen 02.01.2006 21:29 |
LMAO about above posters joke!! But how many high religious officals have exactly approved of rock n roll music. |
That guy who digs energy domes 03.01.2006 09:24 |
Who cares. We could look at every race, color or creed and pick out things that would be reason for their destruction. I'll bash my own religion for you all- Protestant: Founded when Martin Luther turned his back on the people following him and joined with several german princes. Catholic: Judging by the continual sex offences, the vatican laws might need a tune up. Point being, no culture is perfect. No culture is completly bad either. Wait, I was wrong. The only perfect culture is yeast |
RainMustFall2 03.01.2006 10:32 |
I'm rather appalled at the response to a vague speculation about an article. Show us an exact quote. |
RainMustFall2 03.01.2006 10:34 |
April Lady05 wrote: Third: Queen has no aggression, rudeness, pornography or obscenity in the lyrics, they've never had a Marylin Manson-like image or so. I don't think they've ever set a bad example to the youth, so what's the matter?I seem to recall a lesbian-bondage poster for A Night At the Opera somewhere on here a number of months ago. |
The Real Wizard 13.01.2006 01:45 |
link link It's hard to believe that these articles contain things said by the same person. While I don't agree with the first article as a whole, it is overall very positive and encouraging. The second one is just simply antiquitous and irrelavant. |
KensingtonLove (Dharankanawala) 13.01.2006 02:03 |
<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Yawn........ If you believe anything Rolling Stone tells you, i think you may need help. Even if you are Christian or non Christian, the Pope is a symbol of peace, i'd rather follow him than the likes of Tony Blair or George W. Bush.Well said;) Hello from Rai ;) |
KensingtonLove (Dharankanawala) 13.01.2006 02:07 |
rockyracoon wrote: The comment was made by the pope when he was Cardinal Ratzinger, and was made many years ago. He was doing his job, merely pointing out some of the evil influences in rock & roll. And let's face it, a few of Queen's songs include lyrics that are sexually suggestive and promote promiscuity, and are therefore inconsistent with basic Christian ideology. But having personally met this pope (when he was Cardinal Ratzinger), and his predecessor Pope John Paul II, I assure you he has much bigger issues to deal with than music he may find offensive. Although I am non-Catholic, and yet a devout Christian, I suggest you cut the pope some slack. The Christian world recognizes the pope as a symbol of peace and as the face of the Christian world, which has more than a billion believers/followers. (Significantly larger than Queen's fan-base, I might add.) In his role, the pope has a responsibility to communicate messages which he believes will improve the world rather than let it degenerate into abasement or into terminal warfare. And he's far from irrelevant. Who do you want to lead the world in providing moral and spiritual guidance? Britney Spears? Mick Jagger? Michael Jackson?? As we enter the Christmas holiday, let's work toward peace on earth rather than badmouthing and denigrating those who may not be Queen fans. And may the music of Queen continue to elevate our souls and fill us with love. Merry Christmas to all. as Queen said,"Peace on earth and end to war..." Hello from Rai;) |
KensingtonLove (Dharankanawala) 13.01.2006 02:25 |
<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote:Well said,Andy38;)Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:If he is so out of touch with the modern world, then why does he have millions of people throughout the world respecting him and seeing him as an icon? Does that mean all these people are out of touch with reality too? It may surprise some of you to hear this, but, the Catholic Church respects other religious traditions and beliefs that exist throughout the world, even if doesn't agree with what they believe in or in some cases, stands for. I would also like to add on another note that all this Catholic Church/Christian/Religion bashing could be offending some people.<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Surely there are other, more sensible things to criticise than a person who wants us all to love and make peace.Yeah, and on one condition: That we all become catholic. That man is beyond out of touch with the modern world. Hello from Rai;) |
KensingtonLove (Dharankanawala) 13.01.2006 02:28 |
<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote:Exactly;)kdj2hot wrote:Oh that's right, as a young child/man (i think he was approx. 12 when the war started) he could stop the Nazi's! And he was part of the Nazi Youth's because it was law, if he or his parents resisted there would have been serious trouble, aren't you aware a lot of Germans lived in fear under Nazi rule?knebworth wrote:He may not have been a nazi but he just turned a blind eye to the whole death camp, toxic baths, starvation, torture thing that went on. I heard the nazi's let him study his theology and didn't force him to be involved and I heard he kept watch or something to that extent. I don't knpow which one is true but in fairness I'll just assume he didn't participate.JamieSureWould wrote: the Pope was a Nazihey jamie! i am personally very interessted to know where you´ve got this news from. Hello from Rai;) |
KensingtonLove (Dharankanawala) 13.01.2006 02:37 |
Music Man wrote:Yes I agree;)<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote:You all should listen to gnomo and Andy. It's a shame that we still have so much ignorance in this world, but this time it isn't coming from the Church.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:If he is so out of touch with the modern world, then why does he have millions of people throughout the world respecting him and seeing him as an icon? Does that mean all these people are out of touch with reality too? It may surprise some of you to hear this, but, the Catholic Church respects other religious traditions and beliefs that exist throughout the world, even if doesn't agree with what they believe in or in some cases, stands for. I would also like to add on another note that all this Catholic Church/Christian/Religion bashing could be offending some people.<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Surely there are other, more sensible things to criticise than a person who wants us all to love and make peace.Yeah, and on one condition: That we all become catholic. That man is beyond out of touch with the modern world. Hello from Rai;) |
KensingtonLove (Dharankanawala) 13.01.2006 02:44 |
rockyracoon wrote: Fortunately there are several people on this board who understand the pope's value to the world. Yet unfortunately, I remain deeply disappointed with the majority. Near the bottom of the first page on this topic, I posted a message in which I tried to put the pope's remarks in the proper perspective. Nonetheless, the majority has chosen to hurl insults, invectives, and expletives. I previously thought Queen had fans with discriminating taste and were above the run-of-the-mill rock & roll crowd. Obviously not so. For those who perceive the role of the pope to be irrelevant, you might want to turn the calendar back 15 to 20 years and see how Pope John Paul II, nearly single-handedly, brought down the Soviet Union and liberated Eastern Europe. Let's ask eastern europeans to tell us of the pope's irrelevance. The pope currently has his hands full with issues such as the worldwide shortage of priests, the financial condition of the church, gay marriage, abortion, pedophilia in the American church, etc. You'll have to trust me on this one.....Queen's music hasn't made it to his radar screen.You have to remember,Rocky,that a large portion of the people on here lately are not true fans,but merely children who don't really understand the ways of the world just yet;) Hello from Rai;) |
Joeker 13.01.2006 18:25 |
the pope sux liek hell, along with rolling stone magazine. |
Danny Buoy 13.01.2006 21:56 |
"No. No, it's the doctrine of original sin. You see, we're all born sinful, except for Jesus who was perfect of course. And he was sent to save us. But how could he save us unless we're sinning? So we have to go on sinning in order to be saved and go to Heaven. That's how Christianity works. That's why it suits so many people." - Charlie McManus (Robbie Coltrane) in Nuns On The Run So I figure listening to Hot Space is worth about 12 Hail Mary's? |