| Fairy 05.12.2005 03:54 |
Well I'm Italian and a fan of Italian football...which is soccer for Americans LOL. I don't know who may be interested in talking about it but at least Andy38 said he'd be...Thanks Andy, you're great...except that you support Juve!!! I live in Parma, Parma is on the verge of plunging into Serie B. We need a new sponsor...help!!!! I was impressed to see that many non-Italians know about Italian football. Wow! Go Parma!!! Down with Juve! LOL Fairy |
| Teo_torriate04 05.12.2005 04:17 |
We used to have a live Italian match every Sunday for years courtesy of Channel 4. Nowadays you can watch live football from just about any league in the world. i don't wish to sound insular or patronising, but I just don't get it. There's an honesty and passion in the English game that you just don't find anywhere else which makes it infinately more watchable, and not just on the pitch either. Underneath the rivalry between supporters there's a huge amount of respect and some wicked humour. Really good players are respected at grounds up and down the country regardless of personal allegiances, recent ones that spring to mind are Gianfranco Zola and Denis Bergcamp. Just look at the magnificant tributes to George Best we've seen these last few weeks. Could that have happened anywhere else? |
| The Mir@cle 05.12.2005 04:45 |
To Teo_torriate04: Yes, that could have happened in another country/league. Actually it did happen last weekend. FC Utrecht (NL) player Di Tomassi (26) died in his sleep last Wednesday. All clubs paid attention to this lost by having a breathtaking "one minute of silence". 15.000 FC Utrecht fans came together in their stadium to say goodbye to DiTo. Their were some very impressing speeches by his team mates.. very emotional. And Ajax player Wesley Sneyder brought flowers to the Utrecht stadiun, while the fans applauded to him. The Sunday before his dead, Utrecht and Ajax played against each other and the same supporters called names to Sneyder for ninety minutes... So it was a very special moment. (There is a huge rivalry between Ajax and Utrecht). When something like this happens, rivalry doesn't count anymore. Not in England, neither in other country's. |
| @ndy38 05.12.2005 06:13 |
Fairy my mum's family are from La Spezia, which is pretty close to you! I'm surprised Parma aren't doing that well this season, i mean, they did buy a few good players this season such as Bernardo Corradi. But if they a get a new manager, things are destined to improve. I mean, look at Fiorentina last season, they had a great squad but just missed getting relegated to Serie B, but ever since they got their new manager, Prandelli, look how well they're doing! That was until they got beat by Juventus yesterday :P I admit they were unlucky. Speaking of Juve, i'd rather see them win the Champions League than Serie A, we haven't won it in ten years..... My family is pretty hectic when it comes to football, i support Juve, my brother supports Inter, my other 2 brothers support Sampdoria and Napoli......it's mayhem sometimes! |
| @ndy38 05.12.2005 06:28 |
Teo_torriate04 wrote: Could that have happened anywhere else?Yes and it has. Examples: The whole Torino team in Italy that was killed in the 1950's are still very much remebered and tributes are still shown EVEN today And this happened 50 years ago...... The Benfica player Mikos Feher that died a couple of years ago, i remember pretty big tributes towards him. The list is endless, huge tributes like the one's shown to Best have happened all throughout the world, and when some other legend like Pele dies, you will see how that affects the Brazilian people. |
| Fairy 05.12.2005 07:29 |
Hey Andy! So you are partly Italian!!!!! So your family supports Juve, Inter, Samp, Napoli....don't you have any relative who supports Parma? LOL! Yes, look at Fiorentina and how it all changes thanks to money and a good market. And BTW, I'm sure you know that Prandelli was ours before he quit 2 years ago due to family problems, and was then taken by Fiorentina (we couldn't afford him anymore...). Corradi proved to be worse than we hoped for. I'm not a big expert but everybody says so. Of course we all miss Gilardino....it's heartbreaking to see him play with another team...LOL. When Parma played in Serie C, when I was little, everybody had their favorite team in the Serie A. My brother's was Juve, so I picked Milan just to contradict him...and it has stayed that eversince so now my second fav is Milan and I don't like Juve! Well you know, we say that either you love or hate Juve...no feeling inbetween. Of course it's a great team SIGH. Fairy |
| Teo_torriate04 05.12.2005 08:41 |
Ok Guys, I stand corrected, and gladly so. I would still maintain that the English league is the most honest, passionate and entertaining in the world. All we need is a manager that understands, and can harness that passion in his players !!!! |
| Mr.Jingles 05.12.2005 09:06 |
I remember in the 90s being a huge Parma fan. That was when they had Zola, Asprilla, Couto, and Brolin. What a great team that was. |
| @ndy38 05.12.2005 09:13 |
Yeh that was a great team, definitley Parma's glory days. Fairy, i'm sure you're happier that Gilardino went to Milan rather than Juventus! It was rumored for a while that he was going to sign for us until he signed for Milan I know what you mean about love or hating Juve, all my relatives back in Italy give me lots of abuse! I don't dare wear a Juventus top when i'm in there lol Have you ever been to the Stadio Tardini? I haven't, the only stadium i was in was the Luigi Ferraris in Genoa. |
| Fairy 05.12.2005 10:15 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: I remember in the 90s being a huge Parma fan. That was when they had Zola, Asprilla, Couto, and Brolin. What a great team that was.I love you!! :-) Yes that was a dream team...I had even named my black kitten Aspry in 1993...! So you're not a Parma fan now? We need support more than ever! SIGH SOB LOL |
| Fairy 05.12.2005 10:22 |
Oh yes Andy I was definitely happier that Gila went to Milan! I guess you were not huh? :-) Yes I go to Stadio Tardini about once a year. The last time I went there was to see Parma against Bologna last June (what do you call in English the matches you play to determine who goes to the second Division and who stays in the first?). anyway, we lost then...but than in Bologna we won and we stayed in Serie A!! Don't know if we deserved it or not...we were very lucky then but we had had bad luck and unfair referees all through the year... I'm amazed you even know the name of the Parma Stadium...!!! So your relatives back here support Samp? I would guess so since they live in La Spezia. But actually that means little... My neighbour is an Inter fan. And he's the Mayor of a large village near here...he should love Parma don't you think? :-) Now that we're doing so bad we often look back at our glorious years...It is incredible to think that a small town as Parma had such a strong team, that even made it second in the Italian championship once and won I think 3 cups. It's sad to think it's all about money...But that's how it goes. |
| The Mir@cle 05.12.2005 10:25 |
I remember that Parma slaughtered Ajax in 1993... for the EC II if I'm right. |
| Mr.Jingles 05.12.2005 10:40 |
Fairy wrote:Well, I was born in Colombia, and because Asprilla was on the team Parma games for the Serie A and the UEFA cup used to be broadcasted on TV. Although most people started watching those games to see Asprilla play, the whole country quickly fell in love with Parma as a whole team. Zola in particular is very admired in Colombia. He was one hell of a great player, and the one who led the whole team into very glorious years.Mr.Jingles wrote: I remember in the 90s being a huge Parma fan. That was when they had Zola, Asprilla, Couto, and Brolin. What a great team that was.I love you!! :-) Yes that was a dream team...I had even named my black kitten Aspry in 1993...! So you're not a Parma fan now? We need support more than ever! SIGH SOB LOL By the time that I came here to the United States (1996) many of the best players in the team started leaving, and I couldn't watch Serie A games anymore. I still checked online to make sure Parma was doing OK. However, when Zola left to play with Chelsea, I started losing interest. Parma still holds a very special place in my heart, though. I really hope they don't end up in the Serie B. |
| Fairy 05.12.2005 12:29 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: I still checked online to make sure Parma was doing OK. However, when Zola left to play with Chelsea, I started losing interest. Parma still holds a very special place in my heart, though. I really hope they don't end up in the Serie B.How sweet of you...thanks! That's right, you're from Columbia! Asprilla was my absolute favorite. Do you know how he's doing now? |
| Fairy 05.12.2005 12:30 |
The Mir@cle wrote: I remember that Parma slaughtered Ajax in 1993... for the EC II if I'm right.HAHA Did we?? :-). I'm not such a big football fan to remember that...but we were so good in those days....SIGH. Are you an Ajax fan? |
| @ndy38 05.12.2005 17:56 |
Fairy wrote: what do you call in English the matches you play to determine who goes to the second Division and who stays in the first?)It's called a playout :) I've been following Italian football since i was 4 years old, my Zio Giovanni is a huge Juventus supporter and really got me into them. Roberto Baggio was my hero when i was younger and still is to this day. We actually have Italian Television in my house as well as various channels from other European Countries, so i watch Quelle Che Il Calcio every Sunday, as well as watching the evening games on UK television, as it broadcasts the matches as well. My dream is one day to go to the Stadio Delle Alpi in Torino...... |
| AC 05.12.2005 18:00 |
I support Milan, but I like Parma too (and I am not happy with their current championship position). *waves at Fairy* |
| The Mir@cle 05.12.2005 18:24 |
Fairy wrote:Yes, I am... we're not in a good period either. 9th in the league... it's a long time ago that it's been that bad :(The Mir@cle wrote: I remember that Parma slaughtered Ajax in 1993... for the EC II if I'm right.HAHA Did we?? :-). I'm not such a big football fan to remember that...but we were so good in those days....SIGH. Are you an Ajax fan? What I remember is that Ajax won the UEFA Cup in 1992 and was one of the favourites for the EC II in 1993. But Parma was simply a bit better (0-0 and 2-0). That was in the quarter final, but I don't know how far Parma finally reached. |
| Rockyuk 05.12.2005 19:02 |
Teo_torriate04 wrote: There's an honesty and passion in the English game that you just don't find anywhere else which makes it infinately more watchable, and not just on the pitch either.Yea, we love a good fight after aswell. Bottling someone just makes the game that little bit more special. Anyone seen the film the football factory? |
| Fairy 06.12.2005 05:07 |
Thanks for the translation, Andy! :-) Quelli che il calcio...isn't it a silly show? But it's lots of fun. I hope you can go to see a match in Torino one day, and that on that day....mind yu only on that day...Juve wins so you can have a good time! LOL |
| Fairy 06.12.2005 05:08 |
The Mir@cle wrote:Hey great memory! So we were a bit better.....:-). I sympathize with Ajax then...we can understand what it means to go through bad times...Fairy wrote:Yes, I am... we're not in a good period either. 9th in the league... it's a long time ago that it's been that bad :( What I remember is that Ajax won the UEFA Cup in 1992 and was one of the favourites for the EC II in 1993. But Parma was simply a bit better (0-0 and 2-0). That was in the quarter final, but I don't know how far Parma finally reached.The Mir@cle wrote: I remember that Parma slaughtered Ajax in 1993... for the EC II if I'm right.HAHA Did we?? :-). I'm not such a big football fan to remember that...but we were so good in those days....SIGH. Are you an Ajax fan? |
| Fairy 06.12.2005 05:10 |
Hi AC!!! Nice to see you again. Thanks for your kind words...Let's do it like this: Milan wins the championship, and Parma stays in Serie A...how about that? And can't you ask Berlusconi to buy Parma as well? :-) LOL |
| @ndy38 06.12.2005 06:28 |
Quelle Che Il Calcio is VERY strange, but i don't think it's as good as it used to be. Don't you think it is a bit strange though that the President of Serie A, is also Vice president of Milan, and the Prime Minister of Italy is also Chairman of Milan..... Smells fishy...... |
| AC 06.12.2005 08:11 |
Fairy wrote: Hi AC!!! Nice to see you again. Thanks for your kind words...Let's do it like this: Milan wins the championship, and Parma stays in Serie A...how about that?What about Milan first and Parma second? :-) |
| Mr.Jingles 06.12.2005 08:35 |
Fairy wrote:He's retired now for all I know.Mr.Jingles wrote: I still checked online to make sure Parma was doing OK. However, when Zola left to play with Chelsea, I started losing interest. Parma still holds a very special place in my heart, though. I really hope they don't end up in the Serie B.How sweet of you...thanks! That's right, you're from Columbia! Asprilla was my absolute favorite. Do you know how he's doing now? |
| @ndy38 06.12.2005 08:43 |
Yeh i saw him making an appearance at a recent Parma match. He was supposed to sign for an English team in the lower divisions, but he ran away. Then there were rumours that he was arrested in Colombia for shooting someone on a farm. |
| Mr.Jingles 06.12.2005 10:20 |
<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Yeh i saw him making an appearance at a recent Parma match. He was supposed to sign for an English team in the lower divisions, but he ran away. Then there were rumours that he was arrested in Colombia for shooting someone on a farm.So many incidents with Faustino Asprilla shooting guns. Although he has never been reported making an attempt to kill or aiming a gun at anyone, there's been quite a few times where he's been seen shooting in the air and creating complete panic. These are some of the reported incident involving Asprilla: - 1993: Injured his leg after kicking the rearview mirror of a bus. Asprilla was seen drunk having a discussion with the bus driver while. - 1995: Accused of causing panic after shooting in the air during a fair in his home town of Tulua. - 1998: Taken out of the Colombian national team for the upcoming France 98 World Cup. Asprilla apparently was showing a lot of lack of discipline for arriving late or not showing up for training sessions and having discussions with the coach. - 2000: Arrested in Cartagena, Colombia after illegally carrying a gun and firing shots in the air in his private boat. - 2003: Brought a gun during a training session for his team Universidad de Chile. Asprilla reportedly fired shots in the air as a joke. Players, team crew and directives declined to comment on the incident. |
| Fairy 08.12.2005 04:44 |
<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote: Quelle Che Il Calcio is VERY strange, but i don't think it's as good as it used to be. Don't you think it is a bit strange though that the President of Serie A, is also Vice president of Milan, and the Prime Minister of Italy is also Chairman of Milan..... Smells fishy......Yeah it may smell fishy....but looking at the table you realize they don't have much power to change anything in their favor :-) |
| Fairy 08.12.2005 04:47 |
AC wrote:What about Milan first and Parma second? :-)Well I was humbly settling for much less for Parma but.....if we win all the matches from now on maybe we can make it second LOL! OK I accept your offer AC! :-))) |
| Fairy 08.12.2005 04:49 |
Hi Mr.Jingles! Where did you get that long list of Tino's nice actions? LOL. Yes he's a freak, but he was soooooo incredibly talented! My absolute favorite still, just the same :-))) |
| Mr.Jingles 08.12.2005 13:39 |
I also remember one incident where Tino told a bunch of news reporters that he earned millions of dollars and they didn't earn shit compared to him. |
| Fairy 08.12.2005 14:38 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: I also remember one incident where Tino told a bunch of news reporters that he earned millions of dollars and they didn't earn shit compared to him.LOL!! And what did they say to him? He's the best isn't he??! |