| Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 22.11.2005 19:53 |
Just to piss you Freddie haters off even more, I decided to post my critical review of ROTC. I wrote it for link. Have fun reading it! Title: You big disgrace! Reviewer: Queen Fan (USA) Although I own every single album that Queen ever put out (including "Hot Space" and the "Flash Gordon" soundtrack), this cd/dvd is not worth getting. There are so many problems with it that I don't even know where to begin. In the first place, Paul Rodgers is by no means an acceptable replacement for Freddie Mercury. On a purely objective level, he lacks Freddie Mercury's extraordinary vocal range. But on a deeper level, there is something even more fundamentally wrong here. Although he is a talented singer, Paul Rodgers neither inspires the listener nor does he stimulate the imagination in the way that Freddie Mercury did. On the contrary, Paul Rodgers is really quite dull. A band that, under the guidance of Freddie Mercury was campy and funny and amusing and brilliant is now just one huge snore. Watch Freddie Mercury's performance at Live Aid and you will see something extraordinary and larger than life. In fact, there was almost something god-like about Freddie Mercury, almost as though he would embody the spirit of some Roman god. All of this is missing with Paul Rodgers. Without Freddie Mercury, "Queen" has been reduced to nothing more than a boring blues band. I also found it deeply offensive that Freddie Mercury's mother would be forced to watch this terrible concert. What was she supposed to do or say after seeing her brilliant son replaced by this vastly inferior substitute? Again, I am not saying that Paul Rodgers is a horrible singer or that he sucks. He's just not Freddie Mercury. I also wonder about what happened to so many of the great Freddie Mercury songs. What happened to "Killer Queen", "Somebody to Love", "Under Pressure", "Somebody to Love", "Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy", "Don't Stop Me Now", "Seven Seas of Rhye" etc. etc? Indeed, the most beautiful Queen songs have been replaced with the less original Brian May tunes "I Want it All" and "Tie Your Mother Down". This alone is pretty disrespectful. I cannot image Freddie Mercury's mother walking away and feeling good about this. Perhaps the best thing about this concert(like the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert) is that it really illustrates what a great entertainer and singer Freddie Mercury was. The world of music is somehow just not the same without him. ROTC sucks like hell! |
| Fairy 23.11.2005 03:56 |
I have to agree with you! A little harsh but...I think it's the truth. Fairy |
| Lemmy 23.11.2005 04:56 |
Though we all seem to prefer the Freddie era of Queen, let's not forget that he is no more. Comparing Paul to Freddie is a little silly. It's not the same band. Shit, even John's not there. That's why it was called Queen + PR. The only reason it has the name Queen in it is to sell. Remember the Brian and Roger solo tours? Not the same venues because not the same interest. Many people went to these shows like you go to a museum... to see them. I went to the gig saying to myself I was going to see a tribute band. Like I did when I saw The Doors with Ian Astbury. Aren't we fans being too emotional? This is another band, another time... We don't have to buy the products. Hell, just see the new ANATO release and you'll see that many Freddie-era fans aren't getting hold of that one. I'm glad I saw Brian and Roger play live, together, but I won't be going back. See what you say when a new tour happens... or not. |
| GreatKingSam 23.11.2005 06:22 |
I've seen one fundmanetal problem with your "review" - Paul is not Freddie's replacement as has been stated constantly by fan's and the band themselves. |
| Ayreon 23.11.2005 07:18 |
And let me remind you: People who like Paul Rodgers are not all 'Freddie haters". Making that assumption is too dumb for words. |
| Ayreon 23.11.2005 07:20 |
correction: Tie your mother down is not a 'replacement song'. It had been in almost every Queen live set since 1976... |
| Ayreon 23.11.2005 07:22 |
b.t.w.; i'm glad they played "i want it all". It's not good to wander in the past and play just all those old - live classics. Its great to see some new, fresh songs (IWIA, SINT, RO, TSMGO) |
| deleted user 23.11.2005 07:49 |
I agree, Paul Rodger's is not fit to fill Freddie's shoes... and they can't be called Queen with out Freddie or John |
| icmrocha (The Man From Planet Marzipan) 23.11.2005 08:07 |
In my opinion, people here in QZ will always have diferent opinions about this tour (or this recording)... Some of us like Freddie's era, some like Paul Rodger's era, some like both... just like marillion's fans... Some of them like Fish's era and others like Steve Hogart's era... To me, Paul Rodgers will never match up to Freddie, but i'm loving this new tour because it gives me the possibility of seeing them (since I was born at the same year as Queen's last concert)... Just an honest opinion, though |
| icmrocha (The Man From Planet Marzipan) 23.11.2005 08:07 |
ooooops.... double posted =) |
| PieterMC 23.11.2005 08:43 |
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| una999 23.11.2005 09:06 |
Zarathustra II, I disagree totally. When i listen to this CD i listen to the music (ie drums and guitar and bass). SOund has come a long way since the late 80's and the Queen sound, sounds better than it ever did - it sounds rich and full. This is the best CD I have - and i have all but one Queen studio Album. You seem to doubt Paul Rodgers voice. You try and sing the start to Tie Your Mother Down (in the top 5 Queen songs) and then listen to Paul Rodgers sing it. Tell me your not impressed? Without Paul Rodgers I'd never have got to see the remaining members of Queen live. Brian May was Queen and Freddie Mercury is overrated. Honestly is LIve at Wembley any better? Mercury was lazy - piano in love of my life live?, nevermore?, lily of the valley? If he stayed playing the piano songs I'd agree with you, but by giving them up live, Brian May rightly became the main member. Reality. |
| Togg 23.11.2005 09:06 |
Are you (reviewer) expecting Freddie to return or something? He's dead... get over it and move on, if you don't like the new stuff, don't listen to it. Why not try to review it from a musical, technical, and entertainment point of view at least that way you might sound as if you know something, as it is you have just compared one person to another. pointless, you might as well review and orange against an apple. They're different, get it and no amount of screaming is going make them the same. I just don't understand why you people get so upset, it's not like Freddie was kicked out of Queen and replaced, he can't come back so live with it or move on. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 23.11.2005 09:15 |
GreatKingSam wrote: I've seen one fundmanetal problem with your "review" - Paul is not Freddie's replacement as has been stated constantly by fan's and the band themselves.I agree with him for once. Paul even said that he wasn't going to try to be a replacement. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 23.11.2005 09:35 |
iLOVEFREDDiEMERCURY wrote: I agree, Paul Rodger's is not fit to fill Freddie's shoes... and they can't be called Queen with out Freddie or JohnSure they can. In fact, they have been all year long. Where have you been? |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 23.11.2005 09:59 |
Ray D O'Gaga wrote:Hahaha, shame...iLOVEFREDDiEMERCURY wrote: I agree, Paul Rodger's is not fit to fill Freddie's shoes... and they can't be called Queen with out Freddie or JohnSure they can. In fact, they have been all year long. Where have you been? |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 23.11.2005 09:59 |
I'm not even gonna bother reading all that because i bet it's aloud of bullshit.... |
| MRfMERCURY 23.11.2005 10:20 |
Zarathustra II wrote: Just to piss you Freddie haters off even more, I decided to post my critical review of ROTC. I wrote it for link. Have fun reading it! Title: You big disgrace! Reviewer: Queen Fan (USA) Although I own every single album that Queen ever put out (including "Hot Space" and the "Flash Gordon" soundtrack), this cd/dvd is not worth getting. There are so many problems with it that I don't even know where to begin. In the first place, Paul Rodgers is by no means an acceptable replacement for Freddie Mercury. On a purely objective level, he lacks Freddie Mercury's extraordinary vocal range. But on a deeper level, there is something even more fundamentally wrong here. Although he is a talented singer, Paul Rodgers neither inspires the listener nor does he stimulate the imagination in the way that Freddie Mercury did. On the contrary, Paul Rodgers is really quite dull. A band that, under the guidance of Freddie Mercury was campy and funny and amusing and brilliant is now just one huge snore. Watch Freddie Mercury's performance at Live Aid and you will see something extraordinary and larger than life. In fact, there was almost something god-like about Freddie Mercury, almost as though he would embody the spirit of some Roman god. All of this is missing with Paul Rodgers. Without Freddie Mercury, "Queen" has been reduced to nothing more than a boring blues band. I also found it deeply offensive that Freddie Mercury's mother would be forced to watch this terrible concert. What was she supposed to do or say after seeing her brilliant son replaced by this vastly inferior substitute? Again, I am not saying that Paul Rodgers is a horrible singer or that he sucks. He's just not Freddie Mercury. I also wonder about what happened to so many of the great Freddie Mercury songs. What happened to "Killer Queen", "Somebody to Love", "Under Pressure", "Somebody to Love", "Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy", "Don't Stop Me Now", "Seven Seas of Rhye" etc. etc? Indeed, the most beautiful Queen songs have been replaced with the less original Brian May tunes "I Want it All" and "Tie Your Mother Down". This alone is pretty disrespectful. I cannot image Freddie Mercury's mother walking away and feeling good about this. Perhaps the best thing about this concert(like the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert) is that it really illustrates what a great entertainer and singer Freddie Mercury was. The world of music is somehow just not the same without him. ROTC sucks like hell!Well Tony Parsons eat your heart out, i like this man he tells the truth paul rodgers is rubbish, but tony calls freddie an old tart, oh publish |
| Lemmy 23.11.2005 10:28 |
una999 wrote: Mercury was lazy - piano in love of my life live?, nevermore?, lily of the valley? If he stayed playing the piano songs I'd agree with you, but by giving them up live, Brian May rightly became the main member. Reality.Can you elaborate on this thought, please? I don't quite agree with "lazy". So LOML isn't Rachmaninov, but STL is quite a mouthful. You also mention about "giving up " the piano songs. I don't think I would've paid money to see Freddie sit at a piano. I want to see him cavorting on the stage and running around. Also, some songs (paino ones) just didn't go with the times. As Freddie said himself, he wrote songs like Bic razors. Disposable pop. |
| Lemmy 23.11.2005 10:58 |
Do remember kidlings, that WE don't own Queen. Nor do we own Brian and ROger's careers. They do what they want. It's up to our personal tastes to follow or not. I think many Queen fans were glad to see Brian and Roger play, and some quite liked Paul's contribution to this project. This doesn't mean, in any way, that you hate Freddie. We don't live i a world where we're either with or against. |
| Fenderek 23.11.2005 11:11 |
It's so fucking BORING that I'm not even bothered to reply... No, wait a minute... Shit, I replied... There you go... I have no life... Still- a bit more though than ppl who think that their posts about Q+PR being bad or Q+PR being great are worth reading, are interesting and original... Boooooooriiiiing....... either way... It was interesting like a year ago. Now you're makinga tit of yourself. Especially as you seem not to know too much about Queen anyway- "Killer Queen" or "Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy" or other tunes ytou mentioned being omitted by this greedy Brian... well, they were out already when they were touring still with Freddie. So check few books first, learn the bands history and than write a review... When you actually know FACTS. "Tie Your Mother Down" beinga replacement? I think this song since 1976 was ALWAYS played by Queen, at EVERY gig... Fuck, what am I doing anyway? What's the point??? Man, I'm so naive... |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 23.11.2005 11:46 |
<font color=FF0099>Linda Of The Valley wrote: I simply don't know how some people can call themselves fans. It's not being loyal to Freddie, it's being stupid. Every single person who went to a Q+PR concert is loya to Freddie. They're keeping Queen's music alive. Don't you want that? Or do you want Roger and Brian to shrivel up and die? You probably do. You don't give a shit about them. Freddie = Queen right? the rest are just boring blues artists. arrogant bastards. you disgust me.The best i have seen on this thread all day! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO AMEN! I totally agree and i went to see Queen+pr in Hyde Park so there what ya Queen+pr HATERS gonna do about it? Cry and lose sleep over it? There here now and there here to fucking stay wether you like it or not! I guess you do want Brian and Roger to die or you wouldnt be so against them, CANT YA SEE THERE MAKING FREDDIES SONGS AND QUEENS ALIVE MORE ALIVE THEN EVER! Have you seen the new fans all the kids and teens are in to Queen now? WOW itsnt it great? There doing there best to keep the legacy of Queen alive and if you dont fucking like it all you haters then go ROT. |
| doremi 23.11.2005 12:02 |
Fairy wrote: I have to agree with you! A little harsh but...I think it's the truth. FairyI second that emotion Fairy! |
| Fairy 23.11.2005 12:16 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote::-) Hi Arlene!Fairy wrote: I have to agree with you! A little harsh but...I think it's the truth. FairyI second that emotion Fairy! |
| doremi 23.11.2005 12:18 |
Fairy wrote:Fairy! Hey! Right back at ya! :DArlene R. Weiss wrote::-) Hi Arlene!Fairy wrote: I have to agree with you! A little harsh but...I think it's the truth. FairyI second that emotion Fairy! |
| Sharon G. 23.11.2005 12:51 |
Arlene and Fairy - right on! Freddie lives on in the hearts of Queen fans everywhere. And listening to PR just reminds me of how much I miss Freddie. |
| una999 23.11.2005 16:08 |
Lemmy - I meant didn't play piano live. I loved the piano element in their muisc and for Freddie to play the piano 4 times atWembley (and that's including 20 seconds at the piano for Seven Seas...) is pretty dam lazy. (Not picking that song out, but in general) They did over 20 songs in the concert, there's not one of the great piano songs - Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy, You Take My Breath Away, Nevermore.... Personally they cud have made wembley so much more if they slowed it down in the middle with an accoustic set just like the new release. Ya Freddie got lazy. There's no doubt about that. |
| Lemmy 23.11.2005 17:07 |
Hi, I don't quite agree with some of it. Mainly your choice of 'piano' songs ;-) PLaying those live, in 1986, would have been slightly silly. Do remember one thing, though. The 86 tour was a Stadium tour. Therefore many in the audience weren't dedicated Queen fans but one-offs. When playing to such a crowd (50,000 people) you have to give the hits, in order to keep the majority happy (boost album slaes and new fans). So if Freddie had spend 8 songs out of 20 behind his piano, it would have been quite boring for the audience who wanted to experience the outrageous moves and Freddie skill of audience communication. |
| 7Innuendo7 23.11.2005 18:14 |
thought-provoking review, but toss the disc if you don't like it! live music is where it's at (period) no matter how long your yardstick is for reviewing label-designed product. and what do we get live? I think the QPR show is miles better in terms of the whole stage plot, the setlist, the light show, than MANY other tours by other artists in 2005. I'm really quite surprised more people haven't made comments about the tape playback on TATDOOL and RGG. No, it's not Freddie, as much as we all want him back, but why compare Freddie and Paul? I think the more germane question is Paul performing at his best? It doesn't matter to me about what they call it, just play more live! Quicksilver signal rides the wild wind and Under the stars, a night at the opera begins. Every day-- a little piece of you is rushin' headlong-- Every time you play the game-- Now keep good company |
| Ray D O'Gaga 23.11.2005 18:24 |
Sharon G. wrote: Arlene and Fairy - right on! Freddie lives on in the hearts of Queen fans everywhere. And listening to PR just reminds me of how much I miss Freddie.Get used to it. He ain't coming back anytime soon. |
| deleted user 23.11.2005 18:48 |
People, Of course Paul is not (and will never be) like Freddie, that's not what he's trying to do... They are just trying to make us happy with their appearance... Of course they're not the same, the music's not the same: the sound is mixed differently, highlighting Roger's drums and Brian's guitar... Paul's voice there is very important too, but what they want to tell us is that they Still ALIVE!! I'm very happy to see Roger play I'm In Love With My Car..! He's still have a great voice (try to imagine Freddie singing without that high backing notes that Roger sang...), even without singin as high as he did in the past... And so i'm glad to see Brian singing '39... I just think we must pay attention to Roger and Brian, cos' they're great musicians. That's what they want us to do: watch'em, not compare Paul and Freddie.. Just think about that..! =) |
| teleman 23.11.2005 18:50 |
Who hates Freddie? I didn't hear anyone say they hated Freddie (except vivival or whatever its name is) I heard people say they liked Paul Rodgers but that doesn't imply a hatred of Freddie.(it does illustrate Zarathustra II's faulty all or nothing logic) Enjoying one person's music does not exclude the ability to appreciate and enjoy the music of another. Personally I liked ROTC but I thought the high point of ROTC was Reaching Out. I also would have liked Freddie to live longer and to have produced more music. At least Q+PR are keeping Freddie's music and memory alive. Also Brian & Roger being inspired to play again is a good thing. I don't see anything about hating Freddie here. |
| Sharon G. 23.11.2005 19:15 |
Ray D O'Gaga wrote:I will never get used to it.Sharon G. wrote: Arlene and Fairy - right on! Freddie lives on in the hearts of Queen fans everywhere. And listening to PR just reminds me of how much I miss Freddie.Get used to it. He ain't coming back anytime soon. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 23.11.2005 19:38 |
I dont really like Paul's voice but I let my dad borrow ROTC and he wont put it down! |
| Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 24.11.2005 13:30 |
If you have not listened to Queen in a while, you might temporarily think that Paul Rodgers is ok. But go back and listen to The Real Thing and I can assure that you will realize your mistake. |
| spymyshadow 24.11.2005 13:50 |
I think this anniversary in particular will help some people to remember who the real queen frontman was. |
| Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 24.11.2005 14:12 |
To Linda, I understand where your anger comes from. On the other hand, if you paid money in order to see Paul Rodgers replace Freddie Mercury, then you have betrayed Freddie and you should feel ashamed of yourself. |
| bitesthedust 24.11.2005 14:44 |
yawn...the Queen + PR argument....you all know my opinion, and that's that. It hasn't changed and it won't change... |
| JulieG 24.11.2005 15:40 |
I'm kinda new at this, but I've read basically all that's been said here, so I'm not gonna repeat something over used or anything... Just my opinion, I'm one of those who wouldn't pay to see Queen without Freddie, and with another singer, because for me Queen was Freddie. Without him, you have amazingly talented musicians, but you don't have the flame... that's all... I respect Brian and Roger, I really do. But I couldn't... |
| latina 24.11.2005 15:58 |
"Queen" was like a trade mark that implied perfection, creativity, quality, luxury, beauty, greatness, stardom,... Now with "Queen+Paul Rodgers" this label is extremely damaged. Q+PR is substandard, old, boring, pathetic, small, ...not worth the money In other words: You can't promote a Ferrari with an engine and a chassis from an old Rover and ask for the same price. You can't even achieve the same price for a pure new Ferrari afterwards. Excuse my english |
| MadeInMadhouse 27.11.2005 11:22 |
I have nothing to say.... listen the sound of silence |
| That guy who digs energy domes 28.11.2005 09:37 |
Paul isnt trying to murder Queen's music. He is trying to help. He is also providing an opportunity for younger fans who were learning not to put their fingers in electrical outlets when Freddie died. |
| deleted user 28.11.2005 10:40 |
I don't actually see a problem if Paul really replaces Freddie, I mean A LOT of bands have done it and it has worked well, of course I prefer the Freddie era, but he's not here anymore and I don't want all this to end "The show must go on". Deep Purple, AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin etc. etc. all of them have replaced members without a problem. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 28.11.2005 11:27 |
Look what Run DMC did for AEROSMITH. Paul is giving new fans an opportunity and old fans a new outlook. |
| i'm going slight mad... 28.11.2005 13:52 |
"I also found it deeply offensive that Freddie Mercury's mother would be forced to watch this terrible concert. What was she supposed to do or say after seeing her brilliant son replaced by this vastly inferior substitute? Again, I am not saying that Paul Rodgers is a horrible singer or that he sucks. He's just not Freddie Mercury." i'm pretty sure that Freddie's mum was not 'forced to watch this show. what do you think they did? hold a gun to her head to force her to sit through it? "I also wonder about what happened to so many of the great Freddie Mercury songs. What happened to "Killer Queen", "Somebody to Love", "Under Pressure", "Somebody to Love", "Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy", "Don't Stop Me Now", "Seven Seas of Rhye" etc. etc? Indeed, the most beautiful Queen songs have been replaced with the less original Brian May tunes "I Want it All" and "Tie Your Mother Down". This alone is pretty disrespectful." what the f**k? the set list is pretty similar to that of 1986, in regards to queen material, just a few songs added from after 1986. "Perhaps the best thing about this concert(like the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert) is that it really illustrates what a great entertainer and singer Freddie Mercury was. The world of music is somehow just not the same without him." did you actually go to a concert? one of the most envigorating (sp?) experiences of my life? i agree, ROTC is not that great, cos it didn't seem to capture that excitement in my view. but still a great purchase, to capture a piece of rock history on tape, and the sound is very well mastered, so very easy to watch. |