| Ale_Pisa 18.11.2005 08:41 |
For all the people who can't buy it on ebay! link cheers Ale |
| bitesthedust 18.11.2005 09:16 |
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| Queen T 18.11.2005 09:19 |
You'll have to excuse my ignorance, but what is this song? Can you provide me with a little background? Thanks!!! |
| wrak 18.11.2005 09:20 |
hm, this sounds just like a altered/slowed down version of the medley played at golders green '73? |
| Victorvil 18.11.2005 09:50 |
THANKS!!!!! thanks a lot for this jewel From Chile Victor |
| such_a_jollification 18.11.2005 10:33 |
Thanks a million for sharing this. This now has to be the earliest Queen recording I own! :o) |
| Rotwang 18.11.2005 10:36 |
Thanks a lot for sharing this. |
| rachael mae. 18.11.2005 10:37 |
Thankyou :) missed this on eBay.. |
| stark 18.11.2005 10:47 |
Thanks so much for posting this - especially in lossless. It's really appreciated. |
| Tragicalboy2k5 18.11.2005 10:52 |
dont work for me :( THX for generosity anyway |
| Jay Mantis 18.11.2005 11:00 |
Thanks a lot for sharing this. I didn't get the chance to grab theis from the Hub yet so this is very much appreciated! :-) |
| Rick 18.11.2005 11:07 |
Still happy that I have the signed one and the personal note from Barry! :-) |
| Serry... 18.11.2005 11:11 |
Thank you very much! |
| wrak 18.11.2005 12:00 |
Alex Solan wrote:hm, have you listened to the version that has been uploaded? try comparing it to the golders green version, and you'll realise it's the same recording, only that this version is in worse quality and is recorded too slowwrak wrote: hm, this sounds just like a altered/slowed down version of the medley played at golders green '73?NO. |
| vivequeen 18.11.2005 12:13 |
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| vivequeen 18.11.2005 12:18 |
you're totally right I have compared the two piece by piece and there are the same |
| **Queen_of_Ramms+ein** 18.11.2005 12:19 |
i dont have the fu...... programe to play it! |
| bitesthedust 18.11.2005 12:53 |
you may need to download winamp from link and then the flac plug-in....if you need any help e-mail me. |
| Khizzy 18.11.2005 13:24 |
If this indeed is a fake (and to me it sounds like one) then where is the real version - or is the version that's floating about a fake? And if the latter is a fake, I think further questions may need to be asked! |
| wrak 18.11.2005 13:36 |
exactly. does anyone who has bought the real deal from Barry have a possibility to compare the versions? |
| Rick 18.11.2005 15:01 |
Khizzy wrote: If this indeed is a fake (and to me it sounds like one) then where is the real version - or is the version that's floating about a fake? And if the latter is a fake, I think further questions may need to be asked!It is GENUINE. It's definately an audience recording! |
| wrak 18.11.2005 15:08 |
yeah, a genuine audience recording of the Golder's green-concert :P |
| Smitty 18.11.2005 15:15 |
BY GOD!! They are one and the same (Ewell, Golders Green). i have that version... |
| little foetus 18.11.2005 15:20 |
I got this one last week and I did not remark this. I accelerated the recording tonight and i'm quite sure it is the golders green rock n'roll medley. I'm trying to get some information about it but it is a real deception to me... :( |
| Smitty 18.11.2005 15:23 |
little foetus wrote: I got this one last week and I did not remark this. I accelerated the recording tonight and i'm quite sure it is the golders green rock n'roll medley. I'm trying to get some information about it but it is a real deception to me... :(Mr. Scully has this version too. So there is only one source left to go to... "Barry Mitchell" I'll bet that person is parading around to be Barry Mitchell and is spreading around fake recordings. |
| YourValentine 18.11.2005 15:25 |
I bought the recording from Mr. Mitchell and I'll ask a friend to compare it to Golders Green. |
| Smitty 18.11.2005 15:31 |
Well, think of it. The recording starts right at the same note for the same time as Golders Green after the announcer finishes up. Ugh, those recordings o Ebay were selling for some serious coin. The lyrics are the same, the song arrangement is the same, face it : We've been fooled... |
| YourValentine 18.11.2005 15:38 |
I had reason to believe it was a genuine offer. |
| Rick 18.11.2005 15:46 |
<font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote: Well, think of it. The recording starts right at the same note for the same time as Golders Green after the announcer finishes up. Ugh, those recordings o Ebay were selling for some serious coin. The lyrics are the same, the song arrangement is the same, face it : We've been fooled...Not at all. It's genuine. The guitarsound is different. It's definately an audience recording, and not soundboard. I compared the 2. Their both the same. It's Ewell'71. |
| wrak 18.11.2005 15:58 |
<font color=green>Rick wrote:Interesting. to me, the guitar sounds different thanks to the lack of quality. try speeding up the recording, and then tell me more about the differences between this and the G G-recording.. :P<font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote: Well, think of it. The recording starts right at the same note for the same time as Golders Green after the announcer finishes up. Ugh, those recordings o Ebay were selling for some serious coin. The lyrics are the same, the song arrangement is the same, face it : We've been fooled...Not at all. It's genuine. The guitarsound is different. It's definately an audience recording, and not soundboard. I compared the 2. Their both the same. It's Ewell'71. |
| Rick 18.11.2005 16:15 |
Okay. It's fake. Have it your way. I don't care. |
| little foetus 18.11.2005 16:27 |
link link I corrected the pitch of ewell 71. There is no doubt about it, in my opinion. It is a fake... :( |
| Jay Mantis 18.11.2005 16:45 |
I've listed to both rock 'n roll medley's and there are some weird resemblends. (at the beginning of Big Spender there is a voice saying something very vague, this is also the Golders Green medley! Still this sounds like a real audience recording to me. If this is a fake then it's done very, very well! (whitch I doubt) So in my opinion Rick is right here and this is genuine! |
| Smitty 18.11.2005 16:50 |
YourValentine wrote: I had reason to believe it was a genuine offer.I wasn't insulting your intellegence by any means at all. I maybe worded things wrong. |
| little foetus 18.11.2005 16:52 |
You can hear the voice in the two recordings at the beginning of Big Spender and Freddie says "thank you, good night" exactly the same way at the end of Bama Lama Loo... |
| Jay Mantis 18.11.2005 16:56 |
Yeah I have to agree that there is something fishy about this recording now that I've listened to it a few more times. Some parts (like Freddie saying good night) are very similair (too similair). Could it be a audience recording of the Golders Green gig perhaps? Anyway someone who purchased it should do a detailed analysis and compare it with this mp3 track, if it does match then there is a possibility that this has been faked although I still doubt it. |
| Chaka 18.11.2005 16:58 |
My "official" copy from Barry is in the mail, so once I get it I'll compare the recordings. I must say, if this turns out to be a scam I will be quite PO'ed. |
| little foetus 18.11.2005 17:03 |
I think it is a highly generated recording of the Golders Green. Why do you think it is an audience recording? I can't hear any close audience voice... |
| Jay Mantis 18.11.2005 17:09 |
Yeah that's true, also I just noticed something in the audience chants (before Big Spender). There are some people whisteling. They can be heard in the Golders Green recording as well. |
| Roy ® 18.11.2005 17:21 |
There's just one conclusion: Fake ! People who bougth it on Ebay are ripped off. |
| wrak 18.11.2005 17:35 |
why hasn't anyone came up with this info before we did? i mean, to prevent people from buying it, IF this is the same "ewell 71"-recording that barry is selling. wierd :/ |
| kyassor 18.11.2005 17:35 |
Roy ® wrote: There's just one conclusion: Fake ! People who bougth it on Ebay are ripped off.People buying bootlegs ripped off ? Wow - never heard of that before .... much ... often ... that's is why it is better to share things between fans than buy them from people purely and simply out to make money. Music fans share items - businessmen sell items (except official releases - they are made by music fans who need to make a living to keepo making music so get the businessmen in to help pay for their trade) |
| Roy ® 18.11.2005 17:42 |
kyassor wrote:sorry, wrong post, don't read it wellRoy ® wrote: There's just one conclusion: Fake ! People who bougth it on Ebay are ripped off.People buying bootlegs ripped off ? Wow - never heard of that before .... much ... often ... that's is why it is better to share things between fans than buy them from people purely and simply out to make money. Music fans share items - businessmen sell items (except official releases - they are made by music fans who need to make a living to keepo making music so get the businessmen in to help pay for their trade) |
| little foetus 18.11.2005 17:48 |
I don't agree. If the recording had been a genuine one, everyone would have really happy and thankful. So that was a fake, that's really a shame :( but never forget that many shows were surfaced by buying stuff. Anyway, that's not the debate here. |
| little foetus 18.11.2005 18:04 |
Just explain me something. Is there several copies of it which were sold on Ebay or is it only one copy which was shared between fans? |
| Khizzy 18.11.2005 18:12 |
Alex Solan wrote: It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.Alex, can you please share your copy so we can hear if it is the genuine article? |
| Ale_Pisa 18.11.2005 18:30 |
Khizzy wrote:Yes, please, share your copy! I want to know if my copy is fake or not! :(Alex Solan wrote: It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.Alex, can you please share your copy so we can hear if it is the genuine article? |
| kyassor 18.11.2005 19:16 |
Roy ® wrote:In simple terms (which I hope are simple enough for you to understand), people selling boolegs recordings are usually only interested in getting your money - it is not a surprise that they sometimes provide false/wrong recordings so buyers get ripped off as the sellers don't care about the authenticity or quality, they just want your money.kyassor wrote:sorry, wrong post, don't read it wellRoy ® wrote: There's just one conclusion: Fake ! People who bougth it on Ebay are ripped off.People buying bootlegs ripped off ? Wow - never heard of that before .... much ... often ... that's is why it is better to share things between fans than buy them from people purely and simply out to make money. Music fans share items - businessmen sell items (except official releases - they are made by music fans who need to make a living to keepo making music so get the businessmen in to help pay for their trade) |
| A Word In Your Ear 18.11.2005 19:18 |
Yes, I got a copy from "Barry?" at ebay, I'd like to think it's the real deal, but I'll check the golder's recording to make sure. One thing though, since this Announce, "Barry?" isn't selling anymore copy's on ebay. although he was according to his auction originaly selling 100 copys. why has he suddenly STOPPED?????? |
| The Real Wizard 18.11.2005 19:20 |
Yes, the Ewell 1-9-71 recording is unfortunately a fake. I had only listened to it once, and it was playing in the background while I was doing other things. Had I listened carefully, as I now have done since reading this thread, I surely would have picked out Brian talking during the Big Spender drum intro, which was clearly on the Golders Green 9-13-73 recording. Furthermore, when I listened the first time, I honestly thought it sounded no different than the 1973 recordings, but I didn't really think anything of it. I just came to the conviction that the rock and roll medley just didn't change much between 1971 and 1973. I, along with many others, didn't even suspect this could be a fake, as Mr. Mitchell seemed to be so genuinely nice, answering all of our questions, and sharing this recording which for years we have known was in his private collection. Which brings me to my next point: Now we must wonder if this was really Barry Mitchell answering these questions, or if it's someone giving false stories...? That would be beyond upsetting if it were true, because we supposedly "learned" many things about pre-Deacon Queen. Is John S. Stuart's "Gospel of Barry Mitchell" all a lie? A horrible thought, and now a strong possibility. It can be said for sure that the person answering these questions was very knowledgeable of early Queen. It could very well have been a fellow Queenzone member having some fun. Of course the possibility remains that it was indeed Barry answering the questions, and that he shared the wrong recording, and was under the impression that this was the Ewell recording. I doubt that highly. Your thoughts? |
| Ale_Pisa 18.11.2005 19:29 |
John Stuart... please help us! You know the truth! |
| inu-liger 18.11.2005 21:20 |
Yes, Alex (Solan), could you please upload your WAV file? If it's not too much trouble... |
| XtianMercury 18.11.2005 21:58 |
YES!!!!!this sounds just like a altered/slowed down version of the medley played at golders green It's Fake I thing... |
| A Word In Your Ear 19.11.2005 00:26 |
Yes, just had a listen to my copy, with autograph & all. "Barry? TOSSER!!!!" I've been conned, it's Golders Green alright & I left him +feedback at ebay!!! Dam!!!! no wonder it was Paypal payments only. I hope this guy who is passing himself off as Barry Mitchell, gets whats coming to him, fingers crossed!!!!! |
| Serry... 19.11.2005 01:46 |
So we all have been f*cked, yeah? I hope it wasn't GB (he knows a lot about early Queen, he knows that JSS worked with Barry, he has something against QZ...) who was hiding beyond Barry's nick ;) |
| YourValentine 19.11.2005 03:57 |
"People buying bootlegs ripped off ? Wow - never heard of that before .... much ... often ... that's is why it is better to share things between fans than buy them from people purely and simply out to make money." You are really stupid. If I had not bought the copy - how could I have shared it in the hub? The version Ale has posted here is the version I bought. Only because so many people here post stuff they downloaded themselves and show off as the big sharers, you should not believe that the material falls from the sky. Someone must provide for it. And I am not referring to Ale who is a nice guy and never showed off here. |
| Jay Mantis 19.11.2005 04:25 |
So what about Alex Solan's file? Is that the real thing or what? |
| John S Stuart 19.11.2005 04:54 |
I am quite shocked and disappointed by this thread. I have personally got to know Barry Mitchell over the last few years, and he is a very nice hard-working decent type of person. It was indeed Barry who genuinely advertised HIS tape on e-bay, and this is NOT some sort of a scam. He is not a fraud, cheat or hoaxster, and I am sure that he would feel both hurt and insulted at such accusations. Certainly, all that has been written about him in the past is TRUE, and nothing has been made up or falsified. In reality he is quite shy, and, apart from his recent foray in Queenzone, for over quarter of a century, he has basically kept quiet about his time in the band. The Ewell tape came to light about 10 years ago. Ken Testi recorded the entire set on a Grundig tape recorder, but only the Rock and Roll Medley remains, and this IS a copy of THAT tape. This tape was given to Barry, and I assure you that copies sold, are from his original. There is no fraud or attempted con here. Barry recalls playing the bass at the gig, and is able to exactly spot himself not only within the music, but recollects the event in terms of stage presence, acoustics, and audience etc. As to similarities with Golders Green, like Sir GH, I have never 'bench-tested' one with the other. I too have always gone down the road that the early 'rock 'n roll' medleys were similar, so I have never given it a second thought (or listen). I would still argue that the tapes are indeed different, and that this tape has been recognised, and confirmed by Barry and Ken to be from Ewell technical college, and for me that is the end of the discussion. However, for those who have analysed both, and still claim it is Golders Green, all I can say in return, is that it may be possible that the tape IS Golder's Green, and that over the years memories have become muddled, and what Ken Testi believes to be a recording from Ewell College, was in fact taken from the Golder's Green gig. This is not to say that one is lying or cheating, but, that over the years a genuine mistake has been made, and that in good faith, this error has been perpetuated over the years, but, that for me still does not answer two key points: First: Barry genuinely believes he is on this. He can hear himself, and HE claims it is genuine. Of course, Brian May would be on it - as he too was part of Queen, but I think, it would be very, very difficult to pass-off Golders Green as Ewell to him, as surely, he WOULD know the difference? (It must be like looking at oneself from an old photograph). This (to me) is pretty powerful testimony, and I would find this very, very difficult to dismiss. Second: Why tape-record Golders Green from the audience, when it was being broadcast live anyway? I know that a member of the public could make an audience bootleg - but why would management and crew do the same? Until I hear any different, and can have really good answers to those questions, in my mind, it still remains legitimate. Finally, so that this reply is not lost in a quagmire of different ideas, I have also given this a new thread so it is easier to find. Therefore, would it be too much to post replies at the link below? link |
| little foetus 19.11.2005 05:18 |
**post in the other thread** |
| kyassor 19.11.2005 06:01 |
YourValentine wrote: You are really stupid. If I had not bought the copy - how could I have shared it in the hub?How am I stupid ? I am just stating that generally people who want to sell bootlegs are only out to make money. Would a collector sell a rare item ? No, they'd rather trade it for something else rare. Would a fan try and sell copies of a recording ? No, because they would normally be happy to share it with others as people do on here. With regard you buying a copy, I have not made a comment about that- it is your choice what you want to spend your money on. If there was something I wanted and the only way to get it is buying it on a bootleg then I would probably buy it - but I would know there is a risk of it not being quite as good as the person selling it makes it out to be. Usually these items are shared before I am aware that they exist but let me know when the next Queen related 'totally unavailable elsewhere, have to buy it' recording comes up and if I can afford it I'll buy it and share it on here to save everyone else buying a copy too - we'll just get one copy between us and share it - assuming it seems to be a real recording, not a rip off. |
| Rick 19.11.2005 07:05 |
Alex Solan wrote: It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.Yeah, I have the complete Marquee 1972 with The Night Comes Down, soundboard quality, EX+. |
| The Real Wizard 19.11.2005 08:03 |
the_hero wrote:I didn't personally accuse him of anything, nor did I judge him. I only brought the possibilities to the table. Read my post again.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Like JSS said in the other thread, I think you are a bit too harsh now with accusing that the Barry Mitchell that posts here is a fake, just because there are doubts about an early recording. If this IS a mistake than people CAN make mistakes, he's only human you know. Don't judge someone on the bad things they did by clearing out the good things. SmittyGecko, could you please send me an email at bobw_22@hotmail.com ? |
| Smitty 19.11.2005 08:04 |
<font color=green>Rick wrote:I've got Syracuse '77Alex Solan wrote: It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.Yeah, I have the complete Marquee 1972 with The Night Comes Down, soundboard quality, EX+. |
| Fat Lizzy 19.11.2005 08:19 |
<font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote:I got Breda, Netherlands '76 '78 '79(2 performances) '82(2 performances) '83 '84 '86<font color=green>Rick wrote:I've got Syracuse '77Alex Solan wrote: It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.Yeah, I have the complete Marquee 1972 with The Night Comes Down, soundboard quality, EX+. Stupid offtopic bullsh*t... I don't know about Ewell, I'll look in a min. |
| John S Stuart 19.11.2005 09:20 |
eddieshore wrote: that is not barry mitchell selling on ebay, it is somebody ripping you guys off and laughing all the way to the bank.OK. Thanks for that Eddie, but can I assure you that it is indeed the real Barry Mitchell, of course, you don't have to believe it - if you don't want to. |
| A Word In Your Ear 19.11.2005 09:47 |
A Word In Your Ear wrote: Yes, just had a listen to my copy, with autograph & all. "Barry? TOSSER!!!!" I've been conned, it's Golders Green alright & I left him +feedback at ebay!!! Dam!!!! no wonder it was Paypal payments only. I hope this guy who is passing himself off as Barry Mitchell, gets whats coming to him, fingers crossed!!!!!After reading John Stuarts post re:- Barry Mitchell, I do now believe that the Guy selling on ebay is the real Barry Mitchell & I am deeply sorry for my harsh comment before. But the fact still remains that CD is "Golders Green". Now as john Stuart says, Barry only got the recording 10 years ago. 1995'ish from a recording 20 years before that. Could he really tell that it was himself playing Bass, or did he go on just what he was told, believing that it was himself. 20 years + is along time ago & strike me down for saying this, all you Bass players out there. who can really tell one Bass player from another? So as you can see I was a little miffed in paying £50+ for a piece of history, that turned out to be false & the fact that I already had a better copy of Golders Green for free (Thankyou Queenzoners) I'm thankfull for the Autograph, but for £50+???? What Barry could do is refund the money to all the people who bought from him, we'll see. Barry's ebay Photo of himself now and the old photo he was also selling does look like the same guy, but I can't really tell from the side profile photo of him in the book "as it began". I say again, Sorry Barry for my harsh words, but I didn't get what I paid for. |
| Serry... 19.11.2005 10:04 |
eddieshore wrote: So why should we believe the "real" barry mitchell is an honest person???? we dont know him personally.Mr Stuart does as I thought... You need to know a little about some QZers... |
| Rick 19.11.2005 11:34 |
<font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote:You posted a while back about this? Is this true? If so, interested in a trade?<font color=green>Rick wrote:I've got Syracuse '77Alex Solan wrote: It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.Yeah, I have the complete Marquee 1972 with The Night Comes Down, soundboard quality, EX+. Also: I made a joke, offcourse :-P. |
| Smitty 19.11.2005 12:15 |
Well, for one I don't have the recording. One of my friends (more specifically my friend's mom) has the recording and they aren't interested in selling, trading, sharing, or giving away. sorry. I've heard it and it really isn't very good quality. Tyical setlist yadda yadda yadda. So in a way, I'm joking as well. |
| Wilki Amieva 19.11.2005 12:50 |
I will not pass judgement on Barry nor on anyone else, as that is not my intention, but I have analysed the recording contained in the CD provided via eBay and I have some 'unfortunate' conclusions: 1) The track is mono, has some hiss and also heavy 'warm' saturation (generally in the bass range). This is what is expected from an open reel tape recording of the late '60s/early '70s. 2) There is no sonic indication that it comes from the audience. The audience/ambience sound is minimal with no near shouts/claps/etc. nor structural echoes. In conclusion, this is pretty much a 'dry' mix so I find it quite impossible to be recorded from the audience. 3) The sound changes equalization at 2:55 (a heavy cut in the high frequencies). It could be explained by a change on the position of the microphone but there are no associated microphone noises. In fact there are no microphone artifacts whatsoever in the whole track. 4) The recording has an exponential decay on frequencies over 16 kHz. And just before anyone asks: the tape itself will NEVER produce that spectral response - no matter how aged and/or damaged it is. I am not saying that this do not come from a tape, just that it is pretty obvious that SOMETHING happened to the sound. Anyway, the position of the decay curve is typical from a 320 kbps mp3. I might post a comparison later. 5) The track is definetely from the 1973.09.13 Golders Green Hippodrome broadcasting, just a little slower. Not only the music and comments are the very same, but also the audience response and the ambience noise are exact matches aswell. A very good example are Brian's mumble and 'accidental' chord at about 4:07. All that is unquestionable evidence that the track on the CD has nothing to do with the 1971 recording as in the story we have heard so many times. I have no explanation for all this. I am as shocked as some of you. |
| Rick 19.11.2005 13:33 |
<font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote: Well, for one <B>I</B> don't have the recording. One of my friends (more specifically my friend's mom) has the recording and they aren't interested in selling, trading, sharing, or giving away. sorry. I've heard it and it really isn't very good quality. Tyical setlist yadda yadda yadda. So in a way, I'm joking as well.Okay, thanks. |