| Wilki Amieva 25.10.2005 14:40 |
Hello, everybody. As some of you might know already, I have been compiling a QUEEN discography/versionary for some years now and it seems that I need your help with a very obscure item. It is compilation album almost released by a label called Hollywood BASIC, which was a subsidiary from Hollywod Records. The album was called QUEEN: THE BASIC BOOTLEGS (HB-61287-2/4) and it was set for an April 1992 release, but it never materialized in the streets, although some 'acetate' CD-Rs were pressed. I would love to know more about this compilation, which it is supposed to have a lot of specifically-made remixes of QUEEN tracks. A tracklist including version names will do, but any further details such as running times and production details will be a very welcome addition. Besides, I suppose that there are some 1991/1992 Hollywood Records/BASIC remixes which were never meant to be released. Any help on the subject will be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Best wishes, Wilki |
| Walter B. 25.10.2005 14:59 |
I guess you will already have noticed this? link |
| Penetration_Guru 25.10.2005 17:43 |
It seems fair to assume that most of the Hollywood Bonus remixes that WERE released would have been on there. |
| John S Stuart 25.10.2005 18:36 |
Wilki: As I understand it, although, officially this remains unreleased, you can still obtain the "unofficial bootlegged" version, which I believe was digitally cloned from an original CD acetate (Hence the superb sound quality). In memories Of Freddie Mercury - RM CD 01 This CD was originally released in Germany, 1992, and as PG correctly suggests, all are Basic Hollywood remixes. (Although some of these mixes are remixes/extended versions of the original bonus tracks). Seven Seas Of Rhye (6:43) Theme From Flash Gordon (6:49) Bicycle Race (5:03) Dragon Attack (7:22) We Will Rock You (4:52) Radio Ga Ga (9:52) Love Kills (5:17) Queen's Reprise '92 (20:53) (Queen medley) This cloned disc runs for around 65 minutes, but the original acetates run for about 75 - 80 minutes. (I don't know why, but it was very difficult in those days to fully record extended play CDs). The missing tracks are: "We Will Rock You - Ruined by Rick Ruben", (I guess because it is so very common), and the not so common "Another One Bites The Dust - Long Dusted B-Boy Version", (I guess because at c11 minutes long, it was too long to include on the cloned disc at that time). Although I do not know the original running order of the disc, I am fairly certain that if you add the final two tracks to the listing above, this should recreate the disc you are looking for. Again as PG so correctly observed, this was produced to highlight the Hollywood remixes, so nothing rare or new would have been pencilled for inclusion anyway but as I have already said, some of the "In memories Of Freddie Mercury" mixes (eg: "Dragon Attack" and "Theme From Flash Gordon"), are longer/extended versions, than those that appear as bonus tracks on the Hollywood CDs. |
| Wilki Amieva 25.10.2005 20:22 |
Thanks for the information. I have one of the numerous editions of the pirate 'Canadian' CD (it is made in the EEC). It is nice to know where it came from. Anyway, it would be very nice to know the original names of the versions and their production details. However, I clearly recall seeing an 'acetate' CD-R sold by ESPRIT in the late 90s which had some exclusive mixes. I remember a 'Cohen mix' of The Miracle (Cohen should be producer/engineer David Cohen). Also, I would like to know more about the 'unreleased' Hollywood remixes like Tie Your Mother Down (re-produced by Trent Reznor). |
| inu-liger 25.10.2005 23:09 |
I have these two MP3s: Another One Bites The Dust (Long Dusted B-Boy Version) - 10:39 Tie Your Mother Down (Trent Reznor Remix) - 4:49 AOBTD is somewhat interesting. TYMD is remixed to sound like a slow(?!?!) song. Not very interesting IMO. I WOULD upload them, but given this site's stance against uploading official material... |
| inu-liger 25.10.2005 23:15 |
Also, I think another remix that would've appeared on that CD is the Dave Ogilvie Alternative Remix of AOBTD, which I like. |
| M. 26.10.2005 00:09 |
"TYMD is remixed to sound like a slow(?!?!) song. Not very interesting IMO." Reznor's version is great! One of the best Queen remixes IMO. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 26.10.2005 01:58 |
Reznor's remix/re-production of "Stone Cold Crazy" is great. His take on "Tie Your Mother Down" missed the mark by a mile. |
| Wilki Amieva 26.10.2005 06:20 |
I do have the BASIC BEAT SAMPLER and FREAKSHOW CDs. I have my doubts that they would have included two long versions of Another One Bites The Dust in the compilation. About Tie Your Mother Down (re-produced by Trent Reznor), I know this one it is only available in a CD-R 'acetate'. However, I do not know if this 'acetate' is the same one as discussed above. Unfortunately, I obtained my copy from a NIN fan who did not know much about QUEEN and now I have lost contact with her. Maybe Richard can add something to this - I believe he uploaded a RealAudio version of it ages ago. We should not forget that THE BASIC BOOTLEGS was about to be released by Hollywood BASIC, a label which gained quite a fame issuing a very special kind of rap from a very selected group of artists. |
| inu-liger 26.10.2005 22:08 |
Wilki wrote: I do have the BASIC BEAT SAMPLER and FREAKSHOW CDs. I have my doubts that they would have included two long versions of Another One Bites The Dust in the compilation. About Tie Your Mother Down (re-produced by Trent Reznor), I know this one it is only available in a CD-R 'acetate'. However, I do not know if this 'acetate' is the same one as discussed above. Unfortunately, I obtained my copy from a NIN fan who did not know much about QUEEN and now I have lost contact with her. Maybe Richard can add something to this - I believe he uploaded a RealAudio version of it ages ago.That RealAudio version actually came from me. |
| Wilki Amieva 26.10.2005 23:49 |
Sorry, I didn't knew that you were around Richard's site in 1997. Anyway, where did you get the original audio from? |
| Walter B. 17.04.2006 13:06 |
Sorry to bring this post to life again ;-) Sometimes I did take notes when I had found something on the internet that was (for me) interesting in some form. I do not know where I found the following information neither if it is correct. Anyway: the supposed tracklist for the Basic Bootlegs should have been: We Will Rock You (Rick Rubin Remix) Don't Try Suicide (Muggs) Another One Bites The Dust (Ice Cube) Under Pressure (Mr Mixx) We Are The Champions (Rick Rubin Remix) Fat Bottomed Girls (OK) Dragon Attack (RAK) Another One Bites The Dust (Phase And Rave) Stone Cold Crazy (Trent Reznor) Dragon Attack (Rave). Most remixes did not see the light of day, some of them did. I hope this helps. |
| Jan78 17.04.2006 19:19 |
How about this: link |
| Wilki Amieva 19.04.2006 13:52 |
The CD in Ron's site is just another edition of the pirate album commented by John. I know at least five different editions that have surfaced since 1992. I still wonder if that pirate albums come from a BASIC BOOTLEGS reference CD. Some of the tracks and the varying audio quality (which is IMHO far from excellent) account for my doubts. On the other hand, I believe that some (just some) of the material might come from some kind of monitor tape. About that tracklisting, Walter, it comes from the Ultimate QUEEN site: link I contacted Ian and he answered saying that the "tracklisting was supplied by a visitor to the site who is a DJ in the USA, who owns a copy of the album." |
| Walter B. 19.04.2006 14:06 |
Thanks Wilki, I think you are right about the Ultimate Queen website. This is the first time I heard someone actually owns a copy of the Basic Bootlegs...(btw: did you get my mail?) |
| Wilki Amieva 22.04.2006 16:08 |
OK then. P.S: Yes, and I WILL report. ;-) |
| inu-liger 04.05.2006 00:31 |
Wilki wrote: Sorry, I didn't knew that you were around Richard's site in 1997. Anyway, where did you get the original audio from?Oh! Sorry for taking so long to answer your question! (Didn't think to check this thread since my last post!) I got this from Napster. |
| updj1 12.07.2006 22:49 |
Hello. I just came across your site and I am the US DJ that bought the QUEEN BASIC BOOTLEGS cdr from esprit in UK for a pretty penny and supplied the info to Ian. Esprit sold it as authentic, although when I called the Hollywood label last year they had no information about it and would not confirm it as official. Hollywood Basic was a sublabel of Hollywood Records that handled the more rap oriented material. I remember getting the Hollywood Basic beats sampler (later withdrawn due to sample clearance issues) that had the Long Dusted B-Boy Version of AOBTD on it. The liner notes of the cassette and CD even mentioned an upcoming Queen Basic Bootlegs release and gave a catalog number. I called the promotions rep at Hollywood to ask about these remixes and he told me they had a few rap producers remix some Queen tracks, including Ice Cube and Mr. Mixx from 2 Live Crew, and that they would be very different and released soon. My guess is that the album was shelved after the somewhat negative respone of Queen fans to the 1991 Hollywood remixes and perhaps Queen themselves as some of the mixes have raps over them. Then in 1999 some enterprising Hollywood employee burned a few cdr's and made up a CD insert. Strangely my favorite mix, Under Pressure (Mr. Mixx), had what sounded like a DAT digital tape dropout at like 1:41 into the song, which I repaired using Peak and a little creative editing so it sounds exactly like it should. I think 6 of these remixes on the disc are unreleased so certainly interesting from a collectors stand point but to a lover of Queen music some of these are destroyed! I have the In Memories Of Freddie Mercury CD. It is most certainly a bootleg and most likely not an intended compilation of Hollywood remixes. The mixes of Radio Ga Ga and We Will Rock You are remix service mixes made for DJ's and had nothing to do with the Hollywood remixes. I forget who re-edited the Radio Ga Ga mix but the We Will Rock You remix was on the UK and US DMC remix service back in 1991 and remixed by Dakeyne. I think the Queen Medley was put together and added to fill out the CD, certainly unofficial. BTW I LOVE the Dave Ogilvie remix of AOBTD from that Hollywood promo sampler CD. Another neat remix from the Hollywood remix sessions and my favorite remix of the song out of all I've ever heard. |
| Walter B. 13.07.2006 00:44 |
Hello updj1! Thank you for adding this bit of information and welcome to Queenzone. Could you please tell if there are running times of the tracks on the inlay/cd available? But far more interesting: how do the tracks sound like? We have heard some of them, as they have been released, but the other tracks are 'new'. Is the tracklist that was mentioned in this thread complete by the way? Thanks for answering. |
| updj1 13.07.2006 10:16 |
No problem. Yes the track listing given previously is correct. I will find my copy and get the track times. I will also listen to the 6 unreleased mixes and give a review. Give me a little time. |
| updj1 13.07.2006 10:18 |
No problem. Yes the track listing given previously is correct. I will find my copy and get the track times. I will also listen to the 6 unreleased mixes and give a review. Give me a little time. |
| Walter B. 13.07.2006 10:32 |
Thank you updj1! It will be worth the wait. Is there an inlay for the cd by the way and if so, does it give details of a releasedate? |
| Mr Faron Hyte 13.07.2006 11:55 |
Its terrific to read posts by people who know what they're talking about. *applause* |
| Wilki Amieva 13.07.2006 20:52 |
I've been very busy in the past months so I missed the follow-up. Regarding the IN MEMORIES OF FREDDIE MERCURY/MIX-UP/CLASSIC QUEEN REMIXES bootleg compilations, they have crappy sound and most of the 'unreleased' tracks have no connection to the HR remixes and are in fact taken from vinyl, either official/commercial ('Love Kills', 'In My Defence' in the re-issues) or DJ-only 'white label' releases (the Dakeyne mixes). updj1: Please contact me. |
| updj1 13.07.2006 21:25 |
Actually the Dakeyne remix of AOBTD is not a "white label" but on one of the monthly UK DJ-only DMC remix compilations with full labels and picture sleeves. These remixes are not commissioned by the group or label but they DO require the approval of the record company in the country of release which also requires that the remix sets only be sold to qualified DJ's adhering to the useage agreement. Most of the well known remix services (Ultimix, Hot Tracks, Razormaid, DMC, Music Factory, etc) get permission to remix but there have been many lesser known remix services that don't. |
| updj1 13.07.2006 21:26 |
Actaully I meant the multi-track Dakeyne remix of We Will Rock You but if I remember correctly he also edited AOBTD for an earlier DMC issue I have. |
| Wilki Amieva 13.07.2006 22:42 |
I meant 'white label' on a generic sense - hence the quotation marks. I own the 12". |
| updj1 13.07.2006 22:55 |
As a 20 year DJ I am used to white labels being either promos or bootlegs with little or no information on them and usually having actual blank labels. I always loved that We Will Rock You remix. Better than the Music Factory Mastermix! For a full list of Queen DJ remixes go to link and search Queen |
| Wilki Amieva 14.07.2006 11:29 |
I know what a white label (sensu stricto) is. I've been collecting these in the past 18 years or so. And, just for the record, the list in that site is faaar from full (misses most of the European stuff)! By the way, will you actually contact me, or will you just keep on fooling around? ;-) |
| ern2150 14.07.2006 20:10 |
Hi Wilki! I'm reviewing my collection of fanmixes, and was always amazed by your China Belle and Why Don't We Try Again...do you have any more up your sleeve? To the topic, do you now have a more complete list of what was supposed to be on this release? Could you list it so I can start searching the usual places for the stuff I haven't heard yet? It'd be cool to tell people what these sound like, though I think we need to resurrect the Trainspotter's Guide to Queen, as it had some good reviews of some of these tracks. Quickly -- Dakeyne WWRY is great, a sped up version with some creative repetitions and rearrangements. Ogilive's AOBTD is cool the way it makes Freddie go all shouty. Long Dusted B Boy is more of a medley of songs that sound a bit like AOBTD, with only bits of the Queen track mixed in here and there (I once made a mix of only those parts for someone on a mix tape...) All of Reznor's stuff is greatness, as much as I don't really like his NIN stuff, he clearly loves Queen, and unlike other professional enthusiasts, is good at remixing and covering them. |
| Wilki Amieva 14.07.2006 22:09 |
Thanks for your comments. I am working very hard in a Versionary now. It should be up very soon. Fanmixes will NOT be included, but you can check link or link . |
| Walter B. 20.08.2006 10:43 |
updj1 wrote: No problem. Yes the track listing given previously is correct. I will find my copy and get the track times. I will also listen to the 6 unreleased mixes and give a review. Give me a little time.Sorry for bringing this up again...Is there any news by any chance? |
| Joeker 20.08.2006 12:27 |
is the queen reprise medley any good? i'd like to hear it |
| updj1 22.09.2006 20:10 |
OK I took the QUEEN Basic Bootlegs mixes and turned them into lower quality mono mp3's for listening and review. It's in a 4.5 meg zip file. Where can I send it or put it up at? |
| Walter B. 23.09.2006 02:42 |
Hello updj1: thanks for the effort! You could use rapidshare.de or another upload site or make a torrent. Information on how to make a torrent can be found in the Announce-forum. I am looking forward to it! |
| Adam Baboolal 23.09.2006 08:20 |
I believe someone already posted the Reznor version of TYMD here - link Adam. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 23.09.2006 09:38 |
Ohhhhh, the waiting... the paaaain... LOL |
| updj1 23.09.2006 19:20 |
link to the QUEEN Basic Bootlegs zip file: link |
| Walter B. 24.09.2006 05:14 |
Thank you. This sounds interesting, I like the start of FBG! Dragon attack (Rave) though just sounds like the instrumental version to me. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 24.09.2006 12:10 |
Thank you. The beggining of FBG is indeed interesting. Cheers, Ogre- |
| ern2150 25.09.2006 01:04 |
Holy Criznap! FBG contains a diff "take" of the vocals from Freddie, around 2:25/2:30. So the only way to get this in full quality would be from EIL, or do they not even have it there? |
| Wilki Amieva 25.09.2006 08:59 |
Many thanks!!! Some of the tracks are more like covers or new composition than proper remixes. The vocal take of FBG is indeed very interesting. |
| Bohardy 26.09.2006 11:36 |
The ENTIRE Freddie vocal track for Fat Bottomed Girls is a different take. It really pisses me off that shit remixers and producers get access to the mastertapes and these rarities, only for these lovely little nuggets of unheard Queen to end up some obscure unreleased promo somewhere. |
| Bohardy 26.09.2006 11:43 |
Further to that, I've just noticed that the Dragon Attack (Rave) features 'new' guitar at about 3:37, which clearly shows that the solo we hear on the finished record is actually a composite of two different takes. |
| Bobby_brown 30.10.2006 10:35 |
Yesterday i bought this CD: link According to this site, it was released in 1991, but can soemone confirm this? There is no mention in the CD to the date release! Here are the pics of the CD (it looks too "young" for 15 years!). link Take care |
| inu-liger 30.10.2006 11:39 |
Can someone please reupload the Basic Bootlegs? Please and thanks if possible... |
| updj1 19.05.2008 19:57 |
Link to low quality zip file re-uploaded here: link I may decide to SELL this cd thru ebay in the next couple months if I do I will post here a couple weeks ahead of time to give everyone an opportunity. |
| inu-liger 20.05.2008 02:28 |
updj1 wrote: Link to low quality zip file re-uploaded here: link I may decide to SELL this cd thru ebay in the next couple months if I do I will post here a couple weeks ahead of time to give everyone an opportunity.Thank you! Also, how much do you plan to sell the CD for? I'm rather interested in buying it from you privately. |
| inu-liger 20.05.2008 02:35 |
Bobby_brown wrote: Yesterday i bought this CD: link According to this site, it was released in 1991, but can soemone confirm this? There is no mention in the CD to the date release! Take careYes, it is from 1991. It was a US-only single release. |
| Wilki Amieva 03.06.2008 13:24 |
So... this would be all for the 1999 CD-R "acetate" from Hollywood BASIC, catalogue number PRCD-61287-2 (please note that the withdrawn, original 1992 commercial release was meant to have the HB-61287-2 code instead). I am now wondering if someone here might know a thing or two about another release from that time: QUEEN THE UNAUTHORIZED CLUB RECORD CD-R "acetate" 1999 (late) - USA, Hollywood BASIC: PRCD-61292-2 It is supposed to also have 10 tracks, including one of the NO MORE BROTHERS mixes of Living On My Own, the 1991 bonus remix of Bicycle Race, the DMC version of We Will Rock You, the Trent Reznor mix of Tie Your Mother Down and the (I guess) otherwise unreleased The Miracle (Keith Cohen-Femi Jiya mix). Any information about this disc or its contents would be very welcome! |
| Michael Allred 03.06.2008 15:50 |
updj1 wrote: Link to low quality zip file re-uploaded here: link I may decide to SELL this cd thru ebay in the next couple months if I do I will post here a couple weeks ahead of time to give everyone an opportunity.Hmm, seems like it won't let me download. It requires a security code but it only lets me put in like the first 4 of the code but not the rest so I get an error page. What's up with that? |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 03.06.2008 17:09 |
Michael Allred wrote:Some months ago Rapidshare changed the way to input the code.updj1 wrote: Link to low quality zip file re-uploaded here: link I may decide to SELL this cd thru ebay in the next couple months if I do I will post here a couple weeks ahead of time to give everyone an opportunity.Hmm, seems like it won't let me download. It requires a security code but it only lets me put in like the first 4 of the code but not the rest so I get an error page. What's up with that? I found this tutorial in google for you. I don't know the website that hosts this and cannot inform you if it is safe in any way for any purpose. Here it goes: link Cheers, Ogre- |
| Michael Allred 04.06.2008 00:31 |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote:Thanks for that but as it turned out, it was "happy hour" on rapidshare and they did not require a code, lol.Michael Allred wrote:Some months ago Rapidshare changed the way to input the code. I found this tutorial in google for you. I don't know the website that hosts this and cannot inform you if it is safe in any way for any purpose. Here it goes: link Cheers, Ogre-updj1 wrote: Link to low quality zip file re-uploaded here: link I may decide to SELL this cd thru ebay in the next couple months if I do I will post here a couple weeks ahead of time to give everyone an opportunity.Hmm, seems like it won't let me download. It requires a security code but it only lets me put in like the first 4 of the code but not the rest so I get an error page. What's up with that? Anyway, it's hard for me to judge those remixes 'cuz as the man said, they're low quality (he wasn't kiddin') but from what I *could* make out, these mixes, much like the ones included as bonus tracks on the Hollywood re-isses, should've been put out on a seperate CD of their own, there is an audience for them, just not necessarily Queen fans. |
| Daniel Nester 05.06.2008 10:41 |
Love to get a high-quality version of the CD. I had a copy before mp3s, then lost it. Ug. |
| Roger's Beard 05.06.2008 12:07 |
Yes! Please can someone upload FBG in high quality ? Just a shame that whoever mixed them thought it a good idea to add rapping to virtually every song and therefore ruin it :( Hey, I almost feel inspired to add the following as my signature: "Rap? Only because they couldn't spell "crap"! |
| Micrówave 10.06.2008 16:02 |
Bobby_brown wrote: Yesterday i bought this CD: link According to this site, it was released in 1991, but can soemone confirm this? There is no mention in the CD to the date release! Here are the pics of the CD (it looks too "young" for 15 years!). linkCorrect, 1991. I was working at the record store when this came in. Also issued on a cassette. There was no full-length album type release. This is when "maxi-singles" were flying off the wall. I don't think we sold a single one, aside from the two I got. |
| Dane 19.06.2008 06:32 |
I bought my copy in 1992 (so a 1991 release is very likely) in Holland. They were selling these for about $5,- in a few regular music stores. |
| bigV 19.06.2008 11:12 |
Speaking of HR remixes, has anyone heard this: The Miracle (David Cohen Mix) It's been bugging me for years. V. |
| Wilki Amieva 20.06.2008 10:06 |
Please see above. It's not David Cohen (sorry, my mistake!), but Keith Cohen. |
| pittrek 20.06.2010 09:05 |
updj1 wrote: link to the QUEEN Basic Bootlegs zip file: linkCould somebody re-post this ? Or mail me it ? |
| francisdarko 15.07.2013 00:01 |
Is there any chance for a repost or by mail (even as torrent), been looking for this for a while. |
| dysan 15.07.2013 06:49 |
Part of the Queen story that I'm glad to forget! |