| carboengine 23.10.2005 12:58 |
link I read he wore a wedding band from Jim Hutton at home in the later years, and I think he showed a ring to an audience in his early pageboy haircut days asking, "Do you like it?" But otherwise? |
| Penetration_Guru 23.10.2005 15:22 |
So, apart from the occasions when he wore a ring, did he wear a ring? I'm guessing he didn't. |
| kagezan1313 23.10.2005 23:53 |
I believe the performace you were thinking of carbo was when he wore a glove that would have its fingertips flame up (no idea how it was accomplished, but looked really cool). If I remember, and it's been awhile since I saw the clip, he shows the audience the tips of his gloves and says "Do you like them? They're real diamonds. They were a gift from the devil himself. You don't believe me? They don't believe me!" They would then play Stone Cold Crazy and just before the title line, he'd flick his fingers out and they'd all be on fire. Awesome bit of stagecraft. In answer to your original question, he wore a few rings here and there, probably just trinkets. He was quite fond of jewelry in the early days. Had to have the glam to go with the rock, I guess. |
| radio_what's_new 27.10.2005 22:13 |
At Live aid freddie wore a ring during is this the world we created. |
| carboengine 28.10.2005 20:40 |
radio_what's_new wrote: At Live aid freddie wore a ring during is this the world we created.Thanks. I watched it again. Yes, a gold ring on his ring finger on his right hand. I asked the question originally because with all of Freddie's dazzling costumes and flash, I would have thought he'd have bling on each finger when performing. Rings would have probably clunked against his mic wand anyway. I'm glad he wasn't into earrings. |
| PinkInk 28.10.2005 21:36 |
lol..he would look hideous with earrings, like Paul Stanley did.. |
| FreddieDearie 25.03.2019 07:17 |
Freddie wore Winnie Kirschberger's wedding band from Sept 5, 1984 until May 12, 1986. Jim HuttOn had to guilt Freddie into wearing a ring he gave him for Freddie's birthday 1986. Freddie never chose to give Hutton a ring. |
| Dr Magus 25.03.2019 13:22 |
Freddie's ring was pretty worn out by the mid-eighties. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 25.03.2019 23:58 |
Hey FreddieDearie: Let me guess, you're one of the Jim haters on instagram. Pathetic. Do you honestly think Freddie would want his fans to be slandering a man he loved? The ring from Winnie was a silver ring. It wasn't a wedding ring. Freddie did buy Jim a ring from Cartier and there are several photos of him wearing it. |
| FreddieDearie 26.03.2019 21:58 |
Hey Sweetandtenderholligan, Don't know what you're referring to, but Im nearly stating facts here. No hate involved. Just interested in ACCURACY. Funny how so many accepted it was a wedding band when you presumed it was from Jim! ?? You're dead WRONG. 1) It doesn't matter if it was gold and/or silver... It was a BAND. (But it was gold and had a diamond in it. ) 2) When a gay man wore a BAND on his right hand ring finger in the 1980's .... It was unambiguously SIGNALING to the gay community and anyone who was aware gay code... the man wearing it was in a gay committed relationship. Freddie KNEW when he wore that ring what it would signal exactly that. 3) Gay men didn't wear "Friendship rings" in 1980's. ESPECIALLY Freddie. Freddie had stopped wearing all jewelry at that point ... EXCEPT for Winnie's wedding band. 4). Please learn how to use a calendar. Freddie did NOT buy Jim a wedding ring and there are ZERO pictures of him wearing BAND when he was with Freddie. JUST A SIGNET ring he had been wearing since June 1985 when Jim was still only a one night stand at that point. Any picture of Jim wearing a signet ring (on his LEFT hand). Was a ring he wore before knowing Freddie. You can see Jim wearing it the day Freddie took all his friends visiting his flat to Garden Lodge. In January 1987, Jim used Freddies money to buy HIMSELF a signet ring. NOT a wedding ring. Freddie never GAVE him a wedding ring. There are ZERO photos of him wearing it. |
| RandomProcess2 27.03.2019 06:06 |
Hi FreddieDearie, This is the quote from you on another post Freddie called many of his boyfriend's "hubby" and "my husband". From David Minns thru Winnie Kirschberger. And there's no evidence Freddie was still wearing the wedding band. Jim lies many times in that book. Phoebe mentions a Teddy bear being put in the mortuary bag with Freddie, nothing about him wearing Jim's ring. Please read the ask-phoebe. link In the last years he used to wear a single piece of jewellery, a ring given him by Jim. He was still wearing it at the end of his life. And Jim's ring, please google picture in IBIZA . You could find the answer there. |
| DoeBoy 30.07.2020 07:27 |
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| Freddie4L 30.07.2020 07:28 |
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| FreddieDearie 03.08.2020 22:44 |
RandomProcessed wrote: Hi FreddieDearie, This is the quote from you on another post Freddie called many of his boyfriend's "hubby" and "my husband". From David Minns thru Winnie Kirschberger. And there's no evidence Freddie was still wearing the wedding band. Jim lies many times in that book. Phoebe mentions a Teddy bear being put in the mortuary bag with Freddie, nothing about him wearing Jim's ring. Please read the ask-phoebe. link In the last years he used to wear a single piece of jewellery, a ring given him by Jim. He was still wearing it at the end of his life. ” Yes, that's why I pointed out that Hutton had to guilt him into consistently wearing it. Freddie was EMBARRASED to wear Jim’s ring. From Hutton’s book: ” We had been out clubbing and his habit of hiding the ring from the people around him began to annoy me. He seemed too embarrassed to wear it, and I was beginning to feel like a part-time partner. ‘Every time you go out of the house you take the bloody thing off.” RandomProcessed wrote: ” And Jim's ring, please google picture in IBIZA . You could find the answer there” Freddie didn't give him that ring you see in Ibiza. That was a signet ring that HUTTON BOUGHT FOR HIMSELF with birthday money when he couldn't coax Freddie into buying him one. |
| Thereuhaveit 04.08.2020 01:27 |
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| CHEVYMAN 04.08.2020 14:11 |
Freddie had a ring on and was wearing it when he died because Mary Austin wanted him to take it off when he got sick up to her old tricks. She even at the end wanted him to be hers even in death.The ring was given to him by Jim to represent his love for him Jim was old fashioned country boy it seemed how special I bet that was. What other man would’ve stayed with their bf with that diagnoses.Mary was there to collect the money and her house promised to many years ago by a young struggling Freddie that didn’t want to hurt her by revealing the fact he was gay. |
| CHEVYMAN 04.08.2020 14:33 |
Freddie’s friends Lee and Thor said they were on a special visit to meet Jim Freddie called him his husband. I won’t give out no more info they are writing a book that will cover such matters.Whoever wants to know more needs to by the book there is a lot of answered material I’m sure. |
| FreddieDearie 04.08.2020 16:28 |
Chevyman, your presumptions about Mary are sexist quite frankly. Why do men presume women are always pining away and carrying a touch for them? Their relationship was platonic. They BOTH accepted their relationship had shifted into a platonic, but still deeply loving friendship. QUOTE Freddie Mercury: ”Mary is very independent about the life I lead. But it is a kind of understanding that doesn’t come overnight. We have gone through a lot of ups and downs in our times together, but that has made our relationship all the stronger. I know a lot of people find it difficult to understand our relationship, and, yes it is an odd bond, but other people who come into our lives just have to except it. WE LOVE EACH OTHER VERY MUCH AND LOOK AFTER EACH OTHER Mary and I will probably grow ancient and grey together, I can't imagine life without her. Sometimes a good friend is more valuable than a lover” ”Mary IS VERY INDEPENDENT ABOUT THE LIFE I LEAD” They had an adult understanding between each other. There is no need to infantile Mary or any woman as some sort of love-sick forlorn unrequited love. They had an understanding with each other. Mary was a grown woman. I think it would be wise to not take Jim Hutton’s claims as the gospel truth. We know know that he lied about them all being summarily thrown out. Phoebe has explained why, because of the probate court, the assets at been frozen and for legal reasons NO ONE was able to live in the main house until probate was signed off on. It was nothing personal, but Jim lied about that. Mary gave them 3 months to leave. That was PLENTY enough time and reasonable. I mean REALLY. is anybody SOOO FOOLISH as to think Freddie wouldve wanted or expected a 7 month pregnant woman with a toddler and a baby daddy and all the coming complication that came with being bequeathed the house and having to mourn Freddie herself, to ADDOPT 3 middle aged men and continue to pay all their expenses indefinitely until they just felt like leaving?[/B] So if he lied about those things, why would you just take his word about the nafarous ring incident? |
| FreddieDearie 04.08.2020 16:30 |
Freddie called multiple boyfriends ”the Hubby”, ”Husband” through the years. It was a schtick Freddie did. Impossible to know when, if EVER he actually believed that way. |
| FreddieDearie 04.08.2020 16:37 |
Chevyman, Freddie bought a €20,000 ring for Winnie kirschberger and gave it to him the night of the black and white drag ball in Sept. 1985. Jim Hutton tried to get Freddie to buy HIM a ring for his birthday in ’87 when Freddie only wanted to get him a bracelet like he had done other employees and lovers. Jim Hutton tried to coax Freddie into buying him a ring instead, but needless to say, Jim left Cartiers empty handed. Hutton had to take his birthday money and BUY HIMSELF a SIGNET ring (not a wedding band). |
| CHEVYMAN 04.08.2020 16:50 |
His good friends said so so I tend to believe what they say. Mary was still deeply in love with him I believe . He didn’t or couldn’t feel the same way. That’s why she was so old when she had children I think she truly thought he would give up his gay lifestyle and return to her one day. It was never really in her face with his men and when he settled with Jim it was reality that things weren’t gonna change. G Th hen his AIDS diagnoses she finally decides to have children by a man she didn’t love I really think she just settled because she knew Freddie wasn’t coming back and he was now going to die thats my opinion. He did love Jim friends said so.He did wheat Jims ring and Jim and Peter and Joe nursed him two of them with AIDS at the time. They all were a loving family of men. By the way I’m not a man I’m a woman. |
| CHEVYMAN 04.08.2020 17:16 |
It’s not an assumption about Mary loving Freddie a person can’t help what the heart feels. I have had the same similar experience I knew it was wrong to even entertain the thought but the heart doesn’t care if the other person is compatible with your sex or not it just wants what it wants. The only peace I have gotten from my experience is it’s rare for this to happen and it won’t happen again in my life time.So yes I wasn’t assuming anything she couldn’t help feeling the way she did and I’m sure he knew that. But he was gay and he loved Jim Hutton.Just like my gentleman is a gay man an loves men as well and I hope he has found happiness. If you care for someone you want them happy not miserable . She wanted Freddie to take that ring off it meant so much to him he wouldn’t do it.End of story I believe. |
| CHEVYMAN 04.08.2020 17:21 |
People make their own traditions between eachother whether it’s bracelets earrings or rings. A tradition between two people is what you want to make it . It doesn’t have to make since to anyone else but you. I think Freddie and Jim made a handsome couple Freddie liked his men thick and Jim fit the part. |
| FreddieDearie 06.08.2020 02:23 |
Chevyman, Ifmyourma woman, that makes your sexist assumptions about Mary that much worse. What proof is there that Mary was still IN LOVE with Freddie?. His friends say they loved each other. But that does not equate to her still being IN LOVE with him? People absolutely DO get, over their romantic feelings and become platonic friends with ex-lovers/spouses all the time. You projecting your inability to do that is not proof of anything. There is no reason to believe their devotion to EACH OTHER was romantic in nature. Mary mentioned the ring because her grandmother had just died and they were unable to remove her jewelry and wished someone had told her. Mary was being kind to Jim, presuming he would want the ring as a keepsake, and Jim had to twist it into something nasty. Which is very revealing about Hutton’s true nature. We don't know if Hutton ever mentioned the ring to Freddie. Just another Hutton claim with no evidence behind it. Mary was so ”old” when she had children because she was busy running Freddie’s businesses. She was an officer of his companies and she ran them to such a degree Freddiemsaidmall he had left to was ”throw his carcass around the stage. You don't know that she ”decided” to have children at all. It may have been a ”surprise” pregnancy. And once she had one, she wanted a sibling for it. Freddie was definitely gay. That is not proof in and of itself that Hutton was that special to Freddie. I'm sure there was some level of a relationship at some point, I just don't think it was the love affair Hutton makes people think it was. The people who, say Freddie loved Jim are mostly people who are making money off of it. Politically, and from a public relations perspective it wasn't a bad idea, given AIDS and the public judgement of Freddies past promiscuity, to let people believe he had ”settled down and found true love”. And fighting Hutton’s account in his book would only create more scandal around Freddie’s memory. So, the idea wasn't fought against. HOWEVER, according to Hutton himself. neither Joe Fanelli or Phoebe Freestone considered Hutton to be Freddie’s boyfriend while he was alive. They were privy to Freddie’s private life more than almost anyone else, for over half a decade, and STILL did not see Hutton as anything special to Freddie. . From Mercury and Me: . “?????? ?????? ???????? ?????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????????????? ?? ?????????? ???????? ???????????? [????????????] ?????? ?????????????????? ???? ???? '???????? ?????? ????????????????' ~ Jim Hutton . [????] ???????????? ???????????? ???? ?????? ???? '???????? ?????? ????????????????'. ???? ?????????? ?????????????? ???? ?????? ???? ??????????????'?? ??????????????????." ~Joe Fanelli” . In the end, Freddie treated Hutton the same as his two other live-in employees, nothing more and didn't even leave him one sentimental item. 500,000 each. HID from him the location of his final resting place. Freddie had to be coaxed and guilted into wearing Jim’s ring TWO YEARS after Hutton first gave it to him and Freddie never chose to give one to Jim. Jim didn’t nurse Freddie. He took two night shifts in the last 6 days before Freddie died starting on November 18th. And Pheobe said that it required no ACTUAL caretakeing because Freddie would let them sleep rather than disturb them. Yes. People make their own traditions. But Hutton wanted a ring from Freddie and Freddie refused to go along with it. Freddie, who’s favorite thing in the world is to buy gifts for people ended up giving Hutton cold hard cash. Freddie just wasn't that into Hitton |
| FreddieDearie 06.08.2020 02:23 |
Chevyman, Ifmyourma woman, that makes your sexist assumptions about Mary that much worse. What proof is there that Mary was still IN LOVE with Freddie?. His friends say they loved each other. But that does not equate to her still being IN LOVE with him? People absolutely DO get, over their romantic feelings and become platonic friends with ex-lovers/spouses all the time. You projecting your inability to do that is not proof of anything. There is no reason to believe their devotion to EACH OTHER was romantic in nature. Mary mentioned the ring because her grandmother had just died and they were unable to remove her jewelry and wished someone had told her. Mary was being kind to Jim, presuming he would want the ring as a keepsake, and Jim had to twist it into something nasty. Which is very revealing about Hutton’s true nature. We don't know if Hutton ever mentioned the ring to Freddie. Just another Hutton claim with no evidence behind it. Mary was so ”old” when she had children because she was busy running Freddie’s businesses. She was an officer of his companies and she ran them to such a degree Freddiemsaidmall he had left to was ”throw his carcass around the stage. You don't know that she ”decided” to have children at all. It may have been a ”surprise” pregnancy. And once she had one, she wanted a sibling for it. Freddie was definitely gay. That is not proof in and of itself that Hutton was that special to Freddie. I'm sure there was some level of a relationship at some point, I just don't think it was the love affair Hutton makes people think it was. The people who, say Freddie loved Jim are mostly people who are making money off of it. Politically, and from a public relations perspective it wasn't a bad idea, given AIDS and the public judgement of Freddies past promiscuity, to let people believe he had ”settled down and found true love”. And fighting Hutton’s account in his book would only create more scandal around Freddie’s memory. So, the idea wasn't fought against. HOWEVER, according to Hutton himself. neither Joe Fanelli or Phoebe Freestone considered Hutton to be Freddie’s boyfriend while he was alive. They were privy to Freddie’s private life more than almost anyone else, for over half a decade, and STILL did not see Hutton as anything special to Freddie. . From Mercury and Me: . “?????? ?????? ???????? ?????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????????????? ?? ?????????? ???????? ???????????? [????????????] ?????? ?????????????????? ???? ???? '???????? ?????? ????????????????' ~ Jim Hutton . [????] ???????????? ???????????? ???? ?????? ???? '???????? ?????? ????????????????'. ???? ?????????? ?????????????? ???? ?????? ???? ??????????????'?? ??????????????????." ~Joe Fanelli” . In the end, Freddie treated Hutton the same as his two other live-in employees, nothing more and didn't even leave him one sentimental item. 500,000 each. HID from him the location of his final resting place. Freddie had to be coaxed and guilted into wearing Jim’s ring TWO YEARS after Hutton first gave it to him and Freddie never chose to give one to Jim. Jim didn’t nurse Freddie. He took two night shifts in the last 6 days before Freddie died starting on November 18th. And Pheobe said that it required no ACTUAL caretakeing because Freddie would let them sleep rather than disturb them. Yes. People make their own traditions. But Hutton wanted a ring from Freddie and Freddie refused to go along with it. Freddie, who’s favorite thing in the world is to buy gifts for people ended up giving Hutton cold hard cash. Freddie just wasn't that into Hitton |
| FreddieDearie 06.08.2020 02:25 |
Don't know why the system put all the question marks in... But here’s what it said From Mercury and Me': . ”All the time Freddie and I had our loving friendship I lived with certain people [plural, Joe and Phoebe] dismissed me as 'JUS T THE GARDENER.. . [We] always looked on you as 'just the gardener'..,WE NEVER THOUGHT YOU AS FREDDIE'S BOYFRIEND.” |
| CHEVYMAN 06.08.2020 17:11 |
Hutton made a beautiful Garden guys he knew his husband loved his flowers and fish.Thats the way he earned his money as well as showed his loved to his husband. I believe Freddie wanted him near him all the time they were like any little married couple it seemed. People have ups and downs nothing’s perfect especially relationships. |
| CHEVYMAN 06.08.2020 17:21 |
I think he could trust him and some of those scars he talked about began to heal. I can relate. It seems he liked some rough characters in the past that liked to fight and bust things up and fight him. Bill Reid he was terrible I read about him he bit him. Damn was he part dog. |
| CHEVYMAN 06.08.2020 18:29 |
Everybody wants to be loved!!!!!!! |
| FreddieDearie 06.08.2020 20:36 |
Chevyman, Hutton was a part-time gardener. In addition to Jim Freddie had a weekly gardening service to come in and also had a separate Japanese gardener for the Japanese garden section. This is another thing that has been greatly exaggerated. Hutton also physically assaulted Freddie. Freddie stayed with Bill Reid for another 6 months after he bit him. Freddie had a habit of picking abusive men. Hutton himself talks about how Freddie would go clubbing WITHOUT HIM , often with Peter Straker. So, no, Hutton was often only around when Freddie needed him for work, the same way Phoebe and Joe were. As an employee. Mike Moran says that actually Hutton wasn’t always around Freddie as he likes to make out, “Jimmy used to get drunk and embarrass everybody and that’s why HE WAS NEVER PRESENT at a lot of the things he claimed to be. ~ Mike Moran “...Several of Freddie’s friends have a question some of Hutton‘s more over the top anecdotes one said “I’m surprised Jimmy could have stayed sober long enough to have remembered some of those things he did with Freddie.” David Brett Freddie Mercury an intimate biography |
| CHEVYMAN 06.08.2020 22:17 |
I think Freddie had self esteem issues yes it does seem he picked men that weren’t well suited to him they were rough around the edges . Sometimes when someone is being abused they mistake this toxic behavior as love. When I changed to male partners at 17 my gf was really upset we had been together since 13.I had known her since I was 10 the abuse started about 15 between us because I started noticing boys. I didn’t know how to tell her I had spent 5 or 6 years with her and I didn’t think I was gay so things got really brutal.She could hit like a man.I sure didn’t get off on the fights for sure.I killed her self esteem and left her with scars that followed her all her life. Well until Freddie met Jim I think that’s all he knew was jumping from guy to guy. One empty promise till the next. I don’t think he wanted to fully trust at first but then he figured out Jim was there to stay and he could lead a normal life with a man of his dreams. |
| CHEVYMAN 06.08.2020 22:27 |
A lot of Freddie’s associates like mike Moran, Peter straker, were team Mary anyway it does surprise me their level of wording they used against Jim Hutton. Jim liked to get his drink on hell so do I yes embarrassing things can happen .What frustrates me no one talks about how rude Mary was after Freddie’s death when one of Freddie’s friends came to the Garden Lodge to see one of the male tenants there. She was so rude and was not rude to him in the past while Freddie was alive.She didn’t like Freddie’s gay friends including Freddie’s husband Jim .When we include one persons mistakes we need to include everyone’s. Mary isn’t innocent it’s no mystery her and Jim weren’t buddies at all. |
| CHEVYMAN 06.08.2020 22:37 |
I need no convincing the last three years or so I have had honest reliable sources tell me and others the truth and it didn’t cost us anything but a good WiFi connection.For their generosity I truly wish them many blessings in everything they do.Good health and fun holidays ahead for them too. Hopefully try knew things and be spontaneous. |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 14:07 |
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| FreddieDearie 07.08.2020 23:47 |
No, Hutton’s alcoholism was severe and constant. Half his book is him describing hismgetting stinking drunk. It’s thing for a college kid to drink that much, but a middle aged man? And by the way, I don't know if I agree, with you that Moran, Phoebe etc were ”pro-Mary0, but for the sale of argument, lets say they were. Has it occurred to you that people are ”pro-Mary” because she was worthy of that respect, while a button was not? Could it be they’re ”pro-Mary” because Hutton lied about her accusing germ of things she didn't do and they felt they should speak up for her? Mary was fine with Freddie’s gay friends, Freddie said she was. Freddie: “Mary is very independent about the life I lead. But it is a kind of understanding that doesn’t come overnight. We have gone through a lot of ups and downs in our times together, but that has made our relationship all the stronger. I know a lot of people find it difficult to understand our relationship, and, yes it is an odd bond, but other people who come into our lives just have to except it. WE LOVE EACH OTHER VERY MUCH AND LOOK AFTER EACH OTHER All my lovers ask me why they can't replace her, but it's simply impossible.Idon't feel jealous of her lovers because, of course, she has a life to lead, and so do I Basically, I try to make sure she's happy with whoever she's with AND SHE DOES THE SAME FOR ME”. What she wasn't fine with were liggers who took advantage of him. Like Thor and Lee who show up to Garden Lodge while Freddie is sick and then accept £1000 each to go out and party, and who, are now, writing a book about how they helped Freddie troll New York where he was in all, likelihood infected, . I'm sorry but women have to stop expecting women to be perpetually polite, and if they’re not they’re ”cold”. IF Mary was rude to someone, isn't is possible it's because that person did something offensive to her after Freddie died? I don't claim she’s perfectly innocent, as no person is. But it seems that your feelings about her are based on lies and jealousies from the men trying to me a as much to him as she was to him. No it's not a mystery if she and Jim didn't get along. Hutton was jealous, and in the end, Freddie showed is devotion to her while Freddiemdod not more for Hutton than he did for his two other live-in servants. He wants to blame Mary for that. But it's not her fault. Freddie made the choices he did, and THAT IS what Hutton resents. So he decided to punish Mary for it. I've read your posts and have seen your sources. You haven't got reliable sources. You believe Thor and Lee. and some randos on the internet. Thor and Lee started out saying that they basically knew NOTHING about Jim Hutton other than the fact that he got drunk and ”went too far” when they met him. Thor: ”I did not know Jim Hutton well...he was a great drinking buddy although he’d go too far. I did not continue to know Jim well”. Then when they wanted to sell a book, they suddenly started to appease the Hutton fans here and their stories started to get embellished. Sorry, but that’s not reliable. And neither is the guy who helped Hutton thieve thousands of dollars of Queen memorabilia out of Garden Lodge. NOT RELIABLE. He never noticed any ”romantic looks” between them before they were trying to build their clout on Viller’s IG Live. As time has gone on Thor’s stories have...evolved offer the years. NOT RELIABLE. What I know is that their influence on Freddie in New York was not particularly healthy for Freddie. |
| CHEVYMAN 08.08.2020 00:38 |
I think Freddie wore rings in the 70s with some of his costumes. I loved his cat suits . It seemed he started turning the boys heads then too lol! Possible picking a few of them up while on tour that’s what famous rock stars do. Living life in the fast lane has consequences for them all. Unfortunately it was AIDS. They have time and money and he was partying having multiple infected partners way before 1980 I’m sure.To many people were getting it it would be impossible to know where he got it.Its really nobody’s buisness. We shouldn’t cast blame on a innocent person either.He was a grown man that wanted to celebrate his freedom like any other gay gentleman and he did so what?He looks like he took responsibility for his actions and accepted his fate like a man end of story.I never revealed my sources don’t assume it makes an ass out of you. |
| CHEVYMAN 08.08.2020 00:47 |
Not every gay man that went to the men’s clubs went down in the dungeons in the dark where things were sketchy. My uncle would take them to hotels because he traveled nice hotels.He wasn’t having sex in those dark places and a lot of other men wanna be able to see what they are doing as well.They were clean well dressed men and my uncle still got AIDS it doesn’t matter. No he couldn’t remember them all there were too many. |
| FreddieDearie 08.08.2020 01:24 |
Agreed. Of course no one is casting blame. so I really don't know why you made this post. And of course you’ve revealed your sources. Chevy man: ” We shouldn’t cast blame on a innocent person either.He was a grown man that wanted to celebrate his freedom like any other gay gentleman and he did so what?He looks like he took responsibility for his actions and accepted his fate like a man end of story.I never revealed my sources don’t assume it makes an ass out of you. |
| FreddieDearie 08.08.2020 01:25 |
Freddie didn't wear wedding band in the 70’s. Moot point. |
| Invisible Woman 08.08.2020 11:19 |
I think when a person have bad period in life, for example an illness, that person doesn't want to be in the same house with someone whom doesn't like and with someone who are violent. Especially persons who have own place to live. Freddie certainly didn’t have to be in a relationship with Jim, he didn’t have to live with him, he didn’t have to take Jim with him to various events, on vacation to Japan, to Spain and Switzerland, Freddie didn’t have to help him build a house in Ireland, he didn’t have to give him a job when he lost his job, he didn't have to buy him presents, he didn't have to make him a celebration for his fortieth birthday (yes, there is a photo from that birthday where they both wear rings and Mary has a jealous face), he didn't have to wear Jim's ring ... He didn't have to do any of that. But he did. How Jim would be force Freddie to do all that what did for him? Threatened him to publish something in newspapers? What could Jim have published at that time more than Paul Prenter published earlier? No, Freddie did it because he wanted it, it was his choice and those facts speaks for themselves. Jim was his choice. Freddie loved Jim, needed him and trusted him. I don't know why some people find it hard to understand. It's quite logical for me, and if it isn't for someone it's ok, I don't mind. |
| CHEVYMAN 08.08.2020 14:12 |
Invisible Woman, I agree Jim must have been a pretty good man or Freddie would’ve put him out. He had enough money to get around the clock care. I’m so glad he had good boyfriend PA at that time Joe F. Even though he was getting kinda sick. Mary too I guess when she came over. I’m also glad he had a nurse friend to help him with simple things like enimas yes I said enimas constipation is terrible.I get that often it will send you to the hospital. I believe people are put in your path for reasons. Cameras camped outside his house it made it nice for him to have all these options your average people don’t have he was blessed. |
| FreddieDearie 08.08.2020 17:20 |
Invisible woman wrote: “I think when a person have bad period in life, for example an illness, that person doesn't want to be in the same house with someone whom doesn't like and with someone who are violent. “ Let’s not forget that Hutton was alone with Freddie when he broke his bones and that he lied about how it happened. Freddie had a string of abusive relationships and STAYING with them. Jim was just the latest one. Invisible woman wrote: “Especially persons who have own place to live. Freddie certainly didn’t have to be in a relationship with Jim, didn’t have to live with him,” Freddie needed house servants, bodyguards, drivers etc... because of who he was. They didn’t have much of a relationship past 86-87. Freddie said he had stopped having any sex altogether. Freddie kept Hutton on because he felt guilt and obligation for exposing him to HIV and because that was a pattern of Freddie’s. He felt guilt for turning boyfriends lives upside down by being with a rock star, and he would then offer them homes and other consolation prizes. Invisible woman wrote: “he didn’t have to take Jim with him to various events, on vacation to Japan, to Spain and Switzerland, “ Freddie often brought his servants along with him. That is not indicative of anything other than Freddie needed help wherever he went. Invisible woman wrote: “Freddie didn’t have to help him build a house in Ireland” Freddie gave 10 of his friends houses in the last year or 2 before he died. Estate lawyers advise, if you know you’re likely dying to spend, spend, spend so that the “death taxes” due on your estate is greatly reduced. Invisible woman wrote: “he didn’t have to give him a job when he lost his job” Well,he wasn’t gonna let him live under his roof for free! LOL Invisible woman wrote: “he didn't have to buy him presents”. Freddie bought presents for people all the time just because he liked to. And what you don’t realize, when Freddie bought Jim gifts, he often bought Joe and Phoebe those same gifts. For ex. Hutton talks about how Freddie bought HIM a suit as if it was something special Turns out, when you read Pheobe’s book, he had bought Joe and Phoebe suits too. He treated them as a trio. Doesn’t indicate anything romantic. Invisible woman wrote: “he didn't have to make him a celebration for his fortieth birthday (yes, there is a photo from that birthday where they both wear rings and Mary has a jealous face), “ First of all , that ring Jim is wearing is a ring he bought for himself with birthday money because Freddie even though Hutton had bought Freddie a ring, Freddie had no intention of returning the favor. (However , Freddie DID buy Winnie a £20,000 ring and gave it to him on the night of his Black and White party in Munich, Sept 1985. Freddie had asked Winnie to move in with him to Garden Lodge, but Winnie said he had to stay back to help his father run the “Sebastian Stub’n” Freddie often had birthday parties for friends. Doesn’t indicate anything romantic Invisible woman wrote: “he didn't have to wear Jim's ring ... “ He tried not to for two years. For two years, Freddie kept taking the ring off, because as Jim himself said, he seemed two embarrassed to wear it. “‘Every time you go out of the house you take the bloody thing off”, Jim said. Keep in mind that Freddie had no problem wearing WINNIE’s ring. Even wore it while on stage in Live Aid and it wasn’t until June 1986 that Freddie took off Winnie’s ring for good. You know what Hutton says DIRECTLY before he tells the tale of how he had to guilt Freddie into wearing his ring was? Because the timing SPEAKS VOLUMES: Invisible woman wrote: “His illness was taking the drive out of him, out of being in control of those around him. Now he really needed us, he was less demanding.” THAT is the time, after TWO years of Freddie taking off the ring, Hutton decided to cajole Freddie into wearing it. How malignantly manipulative. But that is in keeping with an abuser’s M.O. Invisible woman wrote: ”He didn't have to do any of that. But he did.’ Yes and none of it indicates Jim being anything special to Freddie. Freddie did all those things for friends and EX-lovers, without any romance involved. So MUCH so that neither Joe nor Pheobe, having lived intimately with Freddie and Jim for over half a decade, never saw Jim as anything special to Freddie. . From Mercury and Me': . "All the time Freddie and I had our loving friendship I lived with certain people [plural, Joe and Phoebe] dismissed me as 'JUST THE GARDENER.. . [We] always looked on you as 'just the gardener'...WE NEVER THOUGHT OF YOU AS FREDDIE'S BOYFRIEND.” How Jim would be force Freddie to do all that what did for him? Threatened him to publish something in newspapers? What could Jim have published at that time more than Paul Prenter published earlier? No, Freddie did it Yes Freddie did that for Jim... and all his other workers. Invisible woman wrote: ”because he wanted it, it was his choice and those facts speaks for themselves. No, because he needed in-house workers and was an inherently generous man in general. What the facts say is that Freddie didn’t treat Hutton any differently than his two other house servants. Invisible woman wrote: ”Jim was his choice. Freddie loved Jim, needed him and trusted him. I don't know why some people find it hard to understand. Jim was his choice to make Winnie jealous. Freddie didn’t trust Jim with anything important to him. Hutton, to find out what Freddie was up to, would have to go ask Joe and Phoebe what was going on because Freddie didn't confide much in Hutton. Freddie didn't even trust Jim enough to tell he was about to release to the world (and Jim’s family) that his lover had AIDS. Freddie didn't even trust Jim enough to tell him where he wanted his ashes laid. Freddie was afraid of his grave being be spoiled by crazy fans. He didn't trust Hutton enough to put him in charge or possession of his ashes. Hell, he didn't trust him enough to TELL him where he wanted his cremains to go. And Freddie’s distrust was on point, because I and behold, didn't Hutton publish in his book where he THOUGHT Freddie may be buried. What a shitbag for doing that. Invisible woman wrote: ”It's quite logical for me, and if it isn't for someone it's ok, I don't mind.” When logic is based on false or cherry-picked info, that logic is seriously flawed. I would hope you would mind being misinformed and then spreading false information as a result. |
| FreddieDearie 08.08.2020 17:36 |
Chevyman wrote: “Invisible Woman, I agree Jim must have been a pretty good man or Freddie would’ve put him out. “ Why? Freddie’s pattern was to have abusive boyfriends and not ”put them out” for a long time. And you are presuming Hutton and Freddie were still a couple after 86/87. He was kept on as a house worker. Freddie tried to do the same with Minns. Keep him on as an employee, buy him a flat etc... Chevyman wrote: “He had enough money to get around the clock care. I’m so glad he had good boyfriend PA at that time Joe F. Even though he was getting kinda sick.” He paid Joe and Phoebe for the around the clock care. They were PAID. Freddie feared word getting out about his AIDS status so he couldn’t really have professional live-in nurses. Yes, Freddie is lucky Phoebe and Joe would do that. But let’s not pretend it was all altruistic. It put them in the position of getting £500,000 and a house as compensation. Hutton did not nurse Freddie. But Freddie was a generous man. We all know this. He paid his house servants and assistants well. Chevyman wrote: “Mary too I guess when she came over. “ Mary was with Freddie six hours a day, and she ran his businesses, his finances for him, as well as managed and paid the employees. That Freddie could trust Mary, his “Ol’ Faithful” to take all that worry away from him is the most significant thing that was done for Freddie. Freddie couldn’t even trust Hutton with the mere KNOWLEDGE of where he wanted his cremains placed, much less take possession of them. |
| Invisible Woman 08.08.2020 22:05 |
@FreddieDearie As I have said now and before in other topics, I really have nothing against a different opinion. But I notice that almost everything you write here against Jim you write based on his book but you interpret all it in your own way. Also, you don’t answer my questions, you just spin the same story all the time and just skip what doesn’t like to you. It seems that, acording to you, of all the people in the world, only Jim Hutton could work for Freddie Mercury and you claim that he was an alcoholic, an abuser and a bad person. Those qualities are probably the best recommendation for someone to be employed somewhere for years. I guess everyone wants to have such employees living in his house. And not only that. Such employees are perfect for traveling around the world with those they work for, perfect for employers to buy them a car, organize celebrations, going with them on parties and events etc. And about provoking Winnie's jealousy the best thing Freddie could do was to be with Jim in London while Winnie was in Germany. The perfect plan and perfect timing. Just seven years. No, I don't spreading any information, I just conclude and have my own opinion. And one more thing, this is certainly not from my previous post : Invisible woman wrote: “His illness was taking the drive out of him, out of being in control of those around him. Now he really needed us, he was less demanding.” Be more careful the next time when you copy something. I will certainly not change my opinion because of your interpretation of Jim's book and other things. |
| FreddieDearie 08.08.2020 23:10 |
Invisible woman wrote: ”As I have said now and before in other topics, I really have nothing against a different opinion.” Oh, well, if you SAY you have nothing against a different opinion, I’ll have to ignore what yourmactual posts seem to indicate. Invisible woman wrote: ”Also, you don’t answer my questions, you just spin the same story all the time and just skip what doesn’t like to you. ” No, I answer questions. I've just noticed you like to think of it as spin because certain facts don't match up with your preconceived notions. Much of what I say is above and beyond ”interpretation”. Invisible woman wrote: ”I guess everyone wants to have such employees living in his house. And not only that. Such employees are perfect for traveling around the world with those they work for, perfect for employers organize celebrations, going with them on parties and events etc. ” I don't know if everyone does that, but Freddie did.. The reality is that Freddie did all those things with other abusive lovers as well. It's a pattern. He employed them, traveled with them, organized celebrations, went with them to parties...and he was abused by them. So why you would spin that Jim was any different is illogical. Invisible woman wrote: ”It seems that, acording to you, of all the people in the world, only Jim Hutton could work for Freddie Mercury and you claim that he was an alcoholic, an abuser and a bad person. ” It's not just according to me, it's according to Jim’s book as half of it is him describing him being in a drunken super. It's also people like Mike Moran, Thor Arnold, Jacky Gunn, Jim Jenkins and others. Invisible woman wrote: ”to buy them a car” This is a perfect example of you spreading disinformation. Freddie never bought Hutton a car for his birthday. That was another lie. Freddie bought a company car for his gardener to use. It belonged to ”Goose Productions” even until the day Freddie died and ownership transferred over to Mary. As part of a severence package, Hutton finally got the Volvo by his employer. Ownership, was transferred to Jim on May 13, 1992. But Hutton did buy one of his other abusers, Winnie Kirschberger a Mercedes. In one of their fights, Winnie sold the car for cash. Invisible woman wrote: ”And about provoking Winnie's jealousy the best thing Freddie could do was to be with Jim in London while Winnie was in Germany.” But Freddie didn't stay with Hutton in London, he was still visiting Munich in 1986 and remained married to Winnie until June. And no, trading one abuser for another is not the ”best thing Freddie could do”. But admitted THAT is just my opinion. Invisible woman wrote: ”No, I don't spreading any information, I just conclude and have my own opinion.” Opinions are either based in fact or false/incomplete information. You seem to Cherrypick information that supports your desire form a Jimercury fantasy and ignore the rest. We’re all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts. That results in spreading disinformation. Invisible woman wrote: ”And one more thing, this is certainly not from my previous post.” “His illness was taking the drive out of him, out of being in control of those around him. Now he really needed us, he was less demanding.” Sorry, true. You didn't say that—HUTTON DID. That’s what he said right before he described wheedling Freddie into wearing the ring he resisted wearing for two years. Invisible woman wrote: ”Be more careful the next time when you copy something.” Please be more careful spreading disinformation ”I will certainly not change my opinion because of your interpretation of Jim's book and other things.” It seems you certainly won't change your opinion based on facts and logic either. |
| Invisible Woman 09.08.2020 08:07 |
^ Obviously, you are not interested in Queen, Freddie and their music. It's just important to you to hate Jim Hutton and that's why you usually come to this forum sometimes. And if someone fantasizes about something, it's actually you when you say : "Freddie and Winnie were married". That's your 'facts" and your "real informations" |
| CHEVYMAN 10.08.2020 00:02 |
Invisible Woman, it’s better just to ignore talk to others it works. |
| FreddieDearie 10.08.2020 06:35 |
Invisible Woman said: And if someone fantasizes about something, it's actually you when you say : "Freddie and Winnie were married". That's your 'facts" and your "real informations" I see you’re avoiding the topic and resorting to ad hominem with not facts to offer. Anyway, I will remain factual. 1) Phoebe said Freddie would call Winnie ”Husband” 2) Freddie wore Winnies wedding band for years. 3) Freddie bought Winnie a 20,000 ring and had asked him to move into Garden Lodge, but Winnie said he couldn't because he had to stay and help his father run the ”Sebastian Stib’n”. Those are facts. |
| LilMal 11.08.2020 19:46 |
Invisible Woman, "As I have said now and before in other topics, I really have nothing against a different opinion. But I notice that almost everything you write here against Jim you write based on his book but you interpret all it in your own way. " ---If you really tolerated different opinions ( that unlike your own refer to sources and not personal or idealized beliefs) why then can't you let go ? Some of your " beliefs" were corrected early on in one of the first Thor threads, and here you start again ???? thundergod Posted: 11 Jul 17 Invisible Woman, Freddie loved Mary above anyone else, man or woman. It was obvious every time I saw them together. Even if Freddie was upset about something and might vent about it among his male friends, when Mary was suddenly present, his whole demeanor would change. I think she represented the calm in every storm of his life and he cherished her for that. I know he always thought that she sacrificed her own happiness for his. .... Invisible woman : Thor, But that about Mary was before Freddie met Jim? Perhaps I am wrong, but I have the impression that she was obsessed with Freddie ....... link hm... maybe someone is quite obsessed with having her fantasy confirmed ? |
| Invisible Woman 11.08.2020 21:19 |
^ This should be proof that I don't respect other people's opinions? Or to insult me? Whatever the point was I'm not offended. I just asked questions like everyone who wanted to participate in the topic. This was 3 years ago, thread just started. Later, the answers to similar questions were different. Everyone judge for themselves which answers are more true. |
| LilMal 11.08.2020 22:05 |
Neither, nor. Just an observation. Yes, three years ago...later on answers changed as the weirdos who needed their hopes/ beliefs confirmed took over. Possibly you'll like this ? : link "He sat him on his knees and imitated sexual intercourse. It would seem offensive and utterly crazy to someone who didn't know him. But we all did. Jim was laughing like crazy..." "Jim then went to the toilets for a while, and I, like a stray sheep, followed him through crowds of oblivious dancers. He was somewhat drunk at that time and barely retained a balance. He staggered a little like a broken tree. No surprise after god knows how many Red bulls and vodkas! " |
| Invisible Woman 11.08.2020 22:37 |
^ This has nothing to do with Thor's topic and his answers. But when you mention hopes and beliefs, maybe his first answers were to please you and those who have opinions like yours? Everything is possible. It is clear that you are provoking from all the profiles you use here. From now on, disscusing with yourself. |
| Thereuhaveit 12.08.2020 00:40 |
I read that blog, 'terezavin' some time ago and it was clear to me that her recounting was, if not fabricated, oddly written and slanted. I also recall that later in his participation on QZ Thor mentioned that he was circumspect in his early 'Mary' comments as he was unsure how most fans viewed Freddie's personal relationships, so he opted for discretion as the better part of valor as not to offend. As most open-minded Queen fans accept, there has been a decades-long corporate Queen line about Freddie's "bisexuality" and the role that Mary played in that public relations ruse. I seem to recall that Thor was coming into QZ somewhat as a social media neophyte and he chose his words carefully, which was wise. |
| LilMal 12.08.2020 20:01 |
Thereuhaveit this could be or could not be, but then you also can add 1 and 1 together and wonder perhaps how many insights Thor had from his NY base after FM left. FM had friends who have never entered social media platforms up to this day, but who rather respect privacy . There's friends too who talk , but who clearly respect privacy . " As most open-minded Queen fans" .... not sure what you mean. ... There's millions of Queen fans around the world. I grew up with Queen, the concerts & the music since 1979... It seems to me nowadays , the private life of FM has morphed into Queen legacy as far as younger fans are concerned. ----Fast forward, would Fadi Fawaz be part of George Michael's legacy ? If not, why then would FM's self promoting " inner circle " be part of Queen's legacy ? Or : would Rolling Stones or David Bowie fans have to be familiar with all gossip tales to be " real open minded fans ? I highly doubt. It's stuff for reality TV and Daily Mail gossip. Invisible woman. my quotation was meant as a reminder that you appear to bring up old stuff again and again and again. "his first answers were to please you and those who have opinions like yours?" Unsure what you mean by " opinions like yours"??? The beginning was the time when plenty of people asked plenty of different questions also about context and life in general. All my profiles : ONE SINGLE profile !!! 99 percent silent reader. |
| CHEVYMAN 12.08.2020 20:52 |
Good point TUHI I think Thor chose his words wisely too! He is a strong minded person and so am I but that’s okay. It has nothing to do with the thread . I think he was being honest. He believed by admitting he had spent all of his young life around Gays and observed their behaviors. When he and Freddie and company went out he never looked at women. He made it clear no women for me . Which means to me he has no problem with ladies he just had no desire to sleep with any.Freddie wasn’t bisexual I know this because I am bisexual and he was just into men 100 percent.So were the guys he ran with including a Thor that tells me even more he was Gay. He wanted to be around all Gay men. |
| CHEVYMAN 12.08.2020 21:06 |
As far as Mary that subject it really has helped keep that bisexual image of a man. Freddie began his relationships with a girl in school then mary then strictly men it seemed after the 80s. I think it’s wise to assume he slept around so if he where bisexual where are all these women and what about possible children ?????He died with AIDS so he used unprotected sex wouldn’t there be women like crazy back then to bitch about him possibly infecting them. There were stories and proof of men one being his partner Jim.Well There are no Women because he wasn’t bisexual .A lot of Gay men dated women in their youths high school possibly college. Then once they come out of their shell no more girls or women that’s what I’ve noticed.After their split Mary was his dearest friend I think nothing more.She worked for him and he promised to take care of her and he did.Thats it.He lost no sleep worrying about her sex life he was too worried about his. |
| CHEVYMAN 12.08.2020 21:20 |
I believe Thor and company have kept Freddie’s privacy there have been no over the top sex stories been told. They have never revealed the color or size of his underwear. I think Freddie was private to a point. He was a wild man he made it known to the public it’s been public knowledge for years before his death.He had a wild party with naked women smoking cigarettes from their vaginas. A fish tank with naked people, strippers, I think it’s fair to say at times when it was time to party he wasn’t all that private. Thor or Lee either one has not revealed anything disgusting or tasteless in their threads. I’m sure in the clubs their was a lot to be seen and they respected Freddie’s fans and told or shared nothing but fond kind memories.Im gonna throw this out there God please don’t strike me down I wish they would’ve shared some of the sights they seen as young men in the clubs I’m a curious individual and it intrigues me lol!!!! |
| CHEVYMAN 12.08.2020 21:38 |
I admit I would’ve liked to be a fly on the wall and go to the dirty part of the men’s clubs in the 80s. There it is I said it. I’m just curious as to what went on how and well you know what I mean. No I’m not a man either just a extremly curious female.its to bad no one took any pics of those areas back then what a delight lol!!!!!! |
| CHEVYMAN 12.08.2020 21:57 |
Oh before we want to talk about privacy Leslie Ann and her Lying Eyes.She started the Barbara Valentin saga.So we have no angels here. Barbara was a good drinking buddie she loved the company of Gay men in the 80s. I get that they are nice to look at plus someone to drink with go home with and no strings attached. But that’s all she was she was well known and liked in Germany by Gay men and our boy Freddie liked Gay men. So yes I guess he kinda used her for that. She started telling lies the one thing you don’t do is fall in love with a Gay man and I guess she did and told terrible lies. Well he got done with her. By the way he was dating her friend Winnie while in Germany.Leslie Ann added her little bits and made a chapter in her book about it which were all lies Barbara was his decoy and introduced him into the Gay community in Germany big mistake I think. |
| Invisible Woman 12.08.2020 22:21 |
@LilMal Just so you know, this topic and "old stuff again and again" are not restarted by me, but by another member who comes here just to write the same malicious things about Jim Hutton. If you are a really quiet reader you should know that. But that remains unnoticed on your part, it is important that you remind of my posts from 3 years ago from other thread. That is quite unfair on your part. But, I think that everyone has the right to participate in any topic they want, no matters who started or restarted topics. I am always for a discussion, but not for the kind you started with me, on the edge of insult, so I think it is best to end this. It definitely ends on my part. |
| CHEVYMAN 12.08.2020 23:42 |
Invisible Woman,I get your point I really do but in my opinion Queen corporate has pushed Mary bisexual point so much I do think it was smart of Thor to point out their time with them led to no wham bam thank you man with the ladies or where I come from if the trailers rock”n don’t come Knock”n saying it means he is getting It on with a lady which I guess he wasn’t friends proved that. We have at least prove now . We are fans they were his friends they had the same interests as him and that’s men. Which I think is no big deal but I guess it was then and to corporate maybe it is now.The music he made was his talent that was their job they should’ve stayed out of his buisness. I think to some degree he already knew being Gay would effect his career and they didn’t make it any easier. They say here you need to appear with a woman fine okay maybe Freddie himself gave this thought and said this is best. Could it have not been someone other than Mary why keep that story line going I don’t think that helped things at all. Bisexual my ass.I just don’t think he was at all.m |
| CHEVYMAN 12.08.2020 23:51 |
By the way nothing wrong with being bisexual I am and let me tell you it’s not a easy life. I would have rather been straight or Gay anyday.You are so judged as a bisexual man and woman. It’s terrible you learn to say fuck everybody your not putting me in any box of labels and you rum like hell.Im glad Freddie knew he was Gay and anyone else that knows they are. It tickled my heart the first time I was on QZ I had seen Thor’s post and he had introduced himself and I thought what a unusual but cool name but what caught my attention was the fact he said I’m a Gay man from Newyork that warmed my heart. How glorious that is to be able to not care what people think of you and be sure of yourself. |
| CHEVYMAN 12.08.2020 23:58 |
By the way don’t let anyone detour you from stating your point even if you don’t agree with me Invisable Woman you have as much right to state your opinion as anyone else. I do think you have had some good points about Freddie’s need for those abusive relations and you have made many valid points. |
| FreddieDearie 16.08.2020 15:43 |
I promise not to let anyone detour me from stating my points. I'm agree that I have as much right to express my points as anyone else. The difference between Invosible Woman and I is that she goes along with the party line, so she doesn't normally have anyone contesting her even when there’s so much evidence to the contrary of what she says. SHE Is the one who bullies others for having an anomalou, or divergent opinion. As Freddie said; ”I’m not afraid to speak out and say the things that I want to or do the things I want to do. So I think in the end being natural and being actually genuine is what wins” - Freddie Freddie didn't have a ”need” for abusive relationships. NEED implies want. What Freddie had was a pathology that led him to seek out and accept abuse from partners like Jim Hutton and others. |
| FreddieDearie 16.08.2020 15:43 |
I promise not to let anyone detour me from stating my points. I'm agree that I have as much right to express my points as anyone else. The difference between Invosible Woman and I is that she goes along with the party line, so she doesn't normally have anyone contesting her even when there’s so much evidence to the contrary of what she says. SHE Is the one who bullies others for having an anomalou, or divergent opinion. As Freddie said; ”I’m not afraid to speak out and say the things that I want to or do the things I want to do. So I think in the end being natural and being actually genuine is what wins” - Freddie Freddie didn't have a ”need” for abusive relationships. NEED implies want. What Freddie had was a pathology that led him to seek out and accept abuse from partners like Jim Hutton and others. |
| CHEVYMAN 19.08.2020 03:33 |
Freddie got off on fighting it got him ready to perform on stage . The End . |
| FreddieDearie 19.08.2020 04:51 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Freddie got off on fighting it got him ready to perform on stage . The End .What the hell is that supposed to mean? First of all, that’s just Phoebe’s stupid interpretation. He thinks of Freddie as God, he doesn't see him as human so it never occurred to him that Freddie didn't fight before shows because it ”got him off”, he got in fights because of the nervous energy most performers feel when gearing up for a show. I'm always thought it was an assholish thing for Phoebe to claim Freddie ”got off” on fighting, when the more logical explanation nervous energy, As if Freddie NEEDED to hype himself before a show. Give me a break. LOLOLOL |
| FreddieDearie 19.08.2020 04:54 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Freddie got off on fighting it got him ready to perform on stage . The End .Secondly it's HUGELY offensive to infer that somehow someone LIKES to be abused and is somehow at fault or it’s what they want. |