| GoodOldFashionLoverBoy 18.10.2005 03:24 |
big debate going on between a few friends of mine who have different opinions on da best eva guitarists. i say brian may is da best but only just of jimmy page. if randy rhodes was still alive id say he would have been da best eva seen. wat you people think? |
| GreatKingSam 18.10.2005 05:30 |
Probably Jimi Hendrix, even though anyone who likes music will say him just to say it. I like to call it "The Beatles syndrome" lol. I like Jimmy Page too, but I think he's a little overrated, plays too much for himself in my opinion and not enough for the song. Unlike Brian, who I think is underrated outside of guitarist circles purely because he doesn't love himself and would prefer to talk about others. Jimi was just different, playing a right handed guitar left handed without the strings changed around etc. Legend. I cant wait for the day when muse have released their 15th album and Matt Bellamy finally gets the proper credit he deserves for probably being the current best guitarist there is. There's sumthin about him that is sheer class. |
| Bohardy 18.10.2005 10:36 |
"Jimi was just different, playing a right handed guitar left handed without the strings changed around etc. Legend." - Jimi did restring his guitar for left-handed play. I think he was more adept than most at playing "upside-down" but certainly for most of his work he used a 'normal' guitar, in that it was strung correctly for a left-hander. And I can't say Jimi's my favourite either. Never really got into him. I'd have to be obvious and say Bri. He's the only 'guitarist' I listen to in any way these days. |
| doremi 18.10.2005 11:02 |
Duane Allman A Legend, even Clapton was in awe of him, and hooked him up to play on ''Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs'' 2nd is Eric Clapton |
| GreatKingSam 18.10.2005 11:38 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:My point, that appears to be overlooked, is just its another little cool part of Hendrix.Bohardy wrote: "Jimi was just different, playing a right handed guitar left handed without the strings changed around etc. Legend." - Jimi did restring his guitar for left-handed play. I think he was more adept than most at playing "upside-down" but certainly for most of his work he used a 'normal' guitar, in that it was strung correctly for a left-hander.I don't wish to bust your bubble, but I'm left handed, and I play a right-handed guitar without re-stringing it, and it works just fine. No offence, but so what if you play with the strings the wrong way too? I might play with a six-pence, but it doesn't make me as good as Brian. |
| Rockyuk 18.10.2005 12:09 |
Not sure about best, but Jimmy Page and Dave Gilmour are my favourite two. |
| teleman 18.10.2005 14:53 |
Kind of hard to call someone the best since music cannot be quantified in the same manner as an athletic competition. There are guitarists who change the way people approach the instrument. Chuck Berry, Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen come to mind. Maybe it’s those who touch people with the substance of their music. Who knows? You like what you like. I like Jeff Beck because he turns my ear upside down while playing ethereal music. I like Brian May for the way he played an orchestra of guitar lines and his tone. How about George Harrison who played for the song? I never understood how good he really was 'til he was gone. How about Malmsteen, Herb Ellis, Django Reinhardt, B.B.King & Albert King, SRV, Alan Holdsworth, Chet Atkins, Kirk Hammett and Dimebag? The list is endless and there is always someone we'll never hear who is absolutely brilliant. Hell, on a good night I might be the best. :) |
| Music Man 18.10.2005 14:54 |
Asking who the best guitarist ever is like asking, "What's your favorite candy?" I mean, we all could spend hours arguing why our candy is the best, but without placing foundations as to what makes a candy the best, we're not going to get anywhere. It's pretty much opinion, and, thus, to each his own. You have to be more specific: Who is the most technically proficient guitarist in the practice of shred-metal? Who is the most melodic guitarist in the practice of pop rock? Who is the most consistent jazz rhythm guitarist? However, even after you've done this, it will still be extremely difficult to answer your question. Also, you all will notice a very sharp difference in those whom guitarists view as the best and whom the general public view as the best. On that note, I can tell you my favorite guitarists. Firstly, Paul Gilbert, who, in my humble opinion, bests Randy Rhoads in technique, speed, melody, musicality, etc. He is very overlooked, and it makes me disappointed. |
| Mr.Jingles 18.10.2005 14:59 |
John Mayer and Isaac Hanson |
| doremi 18.10.2005 16:09 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: John Mayer and Isaac HansonLMFAO! ;) You forgot to include David Cassidy from The Partridge Family! |
| Aisha Sweetness 18.10.2005 17:38 |
Slash, Matt Belhamy(muse) James Iah (pumpkins) Tom Morello (rage and audioslave) Jimmy Page Kerry King (SLAYER) |
| Music Man 18.10.2005 18:35 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote:And Kurt Cobain...who people STILL insist should be considered a great guitarist. I want to hit them. Hard.Mr.Jingles wrote: John Mayer and Isaac HansonLMFAO! ;) You forgot to include David Cassidy from The Partridge Family! |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 18.10.2005 20:40 |
Who knows about best...But for favorites, mine are Brian May, David Gilmour, Slash and Joe Satriani...I love The Edge, but even I can admit he's not technically amazing! :) |
| ibanez122 19.10.2005 00:42 |
Aisha Sweetness wrote: Slash, Matt Belhamy(muse) James Iah (pumpkins) Tom Morello (rage and audioslave) Jimmy Page Kerry King (SLAYER)Kerry King is worthless.. I could make solos too if all I did was wank the wammy bar all the god damn time.... Ace Frehley EVH John Petrucci Randy Rhoads David Gilmore Al Di Meola Dimebag Darrell Zakk Wylde |
| GoodOldFashionLoverBoy 19.10.2005 02:08 |
Joe Satriani is an excellent guitarists. its hard 2 really say who was da best coz all in different era's. guitarist of 2day or more educated and have advanced skills than those from the 60;s and 70's. dats why wen it cums 2 jimi hendrix, ritchie blackmore n jimmy page that are are mostly considered the best. even pete townshend from the who was a great guitairst. ive tried doin da windmill on it aint as easy as it looks. but i still cant go past brian may, his guitar produces the best sound ive ever heard so rich and pure. |
| GreatKingSam 19.10.2005 03:22 |
Aisha Sweetness wrote: Slash, Matt Belhamy(muse) James Iah (pumpkins) Tom Morello (rage and audioslave) Jimmy Page Kerry King (SLAYER)Christ, I feel I've let myself down... I completely forgot Tom Morello from my list. He is absolutely class. It is safe to say he is a completely original player. I've always thought he was good, Rage and Audioslave, but I recently bought the Rage DVD of their final show, and until you witness him live, it's like you realise he's even more class. Maybe it's because you can actually see him making all the noises and not just take them for granted. But he is class. |
| The Real Wizard 19.10.2005 13:00 |
God... most of you people don't have a clue what you're talking about. Most of the classic rock guitarists aren't in the top 1000 of all time. The radio exposes you mostly to rock guitarists, but you need to realize that the guitar goes far deeper than that. link link link Phil Keaggy, Joe Pass, and Wes Montgomery vs Angus Young, Brian May, Jimi Hendrix, and Jimmy Page? Not a chance. Branch out, people. Most jazz, classical, and flamenco guitarists put any rock guitarist to utter shame. Fans of rock music will often say that jazz and classical players are all technique and no emotion, but that's just because the jazz and classical players are so far over their heads. Emotion is relative. Taste is relative. I'd take Joe Pass over Hendrix any day. Pass is a far more interesting guitarist to listen to. Most of the classic rockers are limited to major and pentatonic stuff, but the other genres move so much further than that. |
| LiveAidQueen 19.10.2005 13:06 |
Eddie Van Halen |
| Music Man 19.10.2005 13:12 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: God... most of you people don't have a clue what you're talking about. Most of the classic rock guitarists aren't in the top 1000 of all time. The radio exposes you mostly to rock guitarists, but you need to realize that the guitar goes far deeper than that. link link link Phil Keaggy, Joe Pass, and Wes Montgomery vs Angus Young, Brian May, Jimi Hendrix, and Jimmy Page? Not a chance. Branch out, people. Most jazz, classical, and flamenco guitarists put any rock guitarist to utter shame.I disagree. Firstly, I find classical guitarists extremely uncreative and boring. Sure, many can play complex, impressive pieces, but those are usually the limits of their abilities. Secondly, while jazz guitarists can play great jazz, the skill levels of the best jazz players are about on par with the skill levels of the best rock players. There is no utter shame when it comes to guitar because most of it is about expression. Remember, there is no such thing as "balls to the wall" when referring to jazz, classical, or flamenco. There's no such thing as "heavy". The types of melodies are completely different. The instruments themselves are completely different. There is no putting to shame involved, you are comparing apples and oranges. |
| The Real Wizard 19.10.2005 13:32 |
Music Man wrote: I disagree. Firstly, I find classical guitarists extremely uncreative and boring. Sure, many can play complex, impressive pieces, but those are usually the limits of their abilities. Secondly, while jazz guitarists can play great jazz, the skill levels of the best jazz players are about on par with the skill levels of the best rock players. There is no utter shame when it comes to guitar because most of it is about expression. Remember, there is no such thing as "balls to the wall" when referring to jazz, classical, or flamenco. There's no such thing as "heavy". The types of melodies are completely different. The instruments themselves are completely different. There is no putting to shame involved, you are comparing apples and oranges.Argument well received. While I see what you're saying, I still insist that the average classical or jazz player's knowledge of music far exceeds the knowledge of the average rock player, hence from a technical perspective, they usually create much more interesting music. Of course, that's just one aspect of music, but that's the one I'm focusing on right now. Being a serious musician, listening to major, minor, and pentatonic scales along with major/minor/7th chords does little for me anymore. They're bland and boring, as I've heard every pentatonic scale and basic chord in the world put together. I much more enjoy listening to other genres of music now, or fusions of styles, which can include rock. The Dixie Dregs blow me away in that regard. Although they were obviously not as influential as say Zeppelin or Black Sabbath, few can deny that the Dregs covered far more musical ground than Zeppelin did. Sure, Zeppelin tried many styles, but none that were nearly as complex as the directions that the Dregs took. Morse is a 10x better and cleaner guitarist than Page. But more influential? Of course not. Most people can't relate to Morse. He's way over their heads. However - to me, still, nothing compares to the energy of a rock concert, like when I saw Queen+Rodgers on Sunday. Again, it's all about tastes, and I'm just explaining how my tastes have evolved. This doesn't have to ring true for everyone, nor is everyone required to have musical tastes that evolve. |
| Mr.Jingles 19.10.2005 13:50 |
Am I the only one who thinks Clapton is a bit overated? |
| Music Man 19.10.2005 14:33 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Argument well received. While I see what you're saying, I still insist that the average classical or jazz player's knowledge of music far exceeds the knowledge of the average rock player, hence from a technical perspective, they usually create much more interesting music. Of course, that's just one aspect of music, but that's the one I'm focusing on right now. Being a serious musician, listening to major, minor, and pentatonic scales along with major/minor/7th chords does little for me anymore. They're bland and boring, as I've heard every pentatonic scale and basic chord in the world put together. I much more enjoy listening to other genres of music now, or fusions of styles, which can include rock. The Dixie Dregs blow me away in that regard. Although they were obviously not as influential as say Zeppelin or Black Sabbath, few can deny that the Dregs covered far more musical ground than Zeppelin did. Sure, Zeppelin tried many styles, but none that were nearly as complex as the directions that the Dregs took. Morse is a 10x better and cleaner guitarist than Page. But more influential? Of course not. Most people can't relate to Morse. He's way over their heads. However - to me, still, nothing compares to the energy of a rock concert, like when I saw Queen+Rodgers on Sunday. Again, it's all about tastes, and I'm just explaining how my tastes have evolved. This doesn't have to ring true for everyone, nor is everyone required to have musical tastes that evolve.As for knowledge of music, I really can't argue with you. Very few rock guitarists have a deep understanding of the more intricate facets of music for the reason that it is unnecessary. But rock and roll is really about being able to express yourself without spending 40 or so years on being proficient at one's particular instrument. But furthermore, this is primarily the reason that rock bands are more influential than the more esoteric genres: more people can relate to it, as well as recreate it. I think I can firmly say that there is a rock song for everybody out there, or at least a rock song to be written. However, as for mastering the instrument itself, I would say that jazz, classical, etc. has a firm stranglehold on the vast rock population, although you will at least acknowledge that there are many rock guitarists who have reached a skill level that could not be surpassed, although I am still doubtful that as far as musical knowledge goes, any rock guitarist stands a chance. But like I stated before, there is an extreme difference between the tastes of guitarists and non-guitarists, musicians and non-musicians, which anyone can see. |
| The Real Wizard 20.10.2005 01:53 |
Music Man wrote: As for knowledge of music, I really can't argue with you. Very few rock guitarists have a deep understanding of the more intricate facets of music for the reason that it is unnecessary. But rock and roll is really about being able to express yourself without spending 40 or so years on being proficient at one's particular instrument.Good point, but why can't one do both? Genesis and Yes did both, and then some. But furthermore, this is primarily the reason that rock bands are more influential than the more esoteric genres: more people can relate to it, as well as recreate it.Another good point, but not everyone's goal is to be influential on the mainstream. Many musicians play to please themselves, or to select crowds, and that makes them happy enough. Not everyone wants to be commercially successful. Nowadays, 99% of the time, commercial success requires some kind of selling out, be it creatively, artistically, or visually. In the end, it's all about who is doing the appreciating. A musician will ask himself, does the opinion of the majority, aka mainstream matter most, or the opinions of those who are most musically educated, aka those whom have a more musically/technically valid view? Like I say, these things are always relative. I think I can firmly say that there is a rock song for everybody out there, or at least a rock song to be written.I disagree, because you're speaking again from a very commercial point of view only. Not all music fans are satisfied with a catchy piece of music connecting with them for the short term. For example, progressive rock music often means concept albums and opuses which can last with people for a lifetime. Many rock albums are the same way, too. Pop music is usually disposable, with very few long-lasting songs that still connect with people. Pop is all about who is big *now*. Some people like their music to be deeper than that, and thus connect with albums and bands as opposed to single songs. But like I stated before, there is an extreme difference between the tastes of guitarists and non-guitarists, musicians and non-musicians, which anyone can see.Yep, of course! That's why there are jazz crowds, dance crowds, punk crowds, and rock crowds. All have different aspects regarding appreciation for music, and thus contribute to very different atmospheres. |