Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 14.10.2005 01:07 |
To Queen fans, It is too bad that many gay people do not appreciate Freddie in the way that they they should. For instance, they are always acting like Cher and Barbra Streisand are so great, even though they are not even gay. Why don't they praise one of their own? Meanwhile, they refuse to recognize Freddie as a great musician and entertainer. Instead, they act like Madonna, who has very little musical talent, is so great instead. It is so obnoxious to hear gay guys criticize Freddie for "not being openly gay". Since when was Freddie not open about this? I can cite three different quotes where he flat out admits it. Are there any gay fans on this forum who would like to share their experiences/thoughts about this? |
deleted user 14.10.2005 03:00 |
Freddie wasn't gay. Freddie wasn't straight Freddie wasn't bi. He was more like a dentist, he just had to fill holes. To be quite honest I think Freddie himself didn't knew what he was. Sertain times he would have a girlfriend, but even more often a boyfriend. And he was always in love with Mary. |
YourValentine 14.10.2005 03:52 |
"It is too bad that many gay people do not appreciate Freddie in the way that they they should. For instance, they are always acting like Cher and Barbra Streisand are so great, even though they are not even gay." I am straight, I really should not listen to a band whose lead singer was gay. Shouldn't I much rather listen to musicians "of my own" ? Moreover, I am a woman and Queen do not even have a woman in their band. Should I not listen to Madonna or Blondie instead? I hope you see that your idea that gay people automatically like Freddie's music only because he was gay is unrealistic. As to the "openly gay" issue: Freddie always refused to answer questions about his sexual orientation. Although he never really denied it, he also never openly confirmed it. He said he wanted to keep the "mystique". The truth is that he was also a good business man and he did not want to alienate fans who might have a problem with it. |
tupincs 14.10.2005 04:52 |
I heard that he never said the whole truth because of his parents who were deeply religious. BTW I also noticed that there's a little aversion of Freddie in the gay community. My friend (he's bi) says for example that Freddie had played "the gay thing" to the extremes. He had fullfilled all the bad stereotypes (promiscuity, dreesing in drag, leather outfits etc.). It made the everyday of 'normal' homos very difficult. Madonna is more a lesbian icon. B. Streisand has been always one of the big favourites. It's not problem, I think. |
Whisperer 14.10.2005 06:36 |
I have understood that Freddie treated his gay partners like shit. I don't he was too proud about being bisexual. |
Fairy 14.10.2005 07:33 |
Yeah. Some gay people who just want to lead a normal life might not identify with Freddie because he lived the gay scene to the extreme. So some of them might not see him as their best representative. |
darkblue 14.10.2005 07:37 |
everyone has own music taste,and it is not based on sexual preferences e.g. straight should listen to straight and gay should listen to gay.I think it was very clever that freddie left this kind of space for conjectures,because it is business and as long as it is showbusinnes it was his job to be in some cases a man of extremes,he let himself for what some of his fans could only dream of,and stars are to make people's dreams come true ,that's why there are idols,and fans. |
deleted user 14.10.2005 07:42 |
YourValentine wrote: "It is too bad that many gay people do not appreciate Freddie in the way that they they should. For instance, they are always acting like Cher and Barbra Streisand are so great, even though they are not even gay." I am straight, I really should not listen to a band whose lead singer was gay. Shouldn't I much rather listen to musicians "of my own" ? Moreover, I am a woman and Queen do not even have a woman in their band. Should I not listen to Madonna or Blondie instead? I hope you see that your idea that gay people automatically like Freddie's music only because he was gay is unrealistic. As to the "openly gay" issue: Freddie always refused to answer questions about his sexual orientation. Although he never really denied it, he also never openly confirmed it. He said he wanted to keep the "mystique". The truth is that he was also a good business man and he did not want to alienate fans who might have a problem with it.Agree completely. I have just one quote about his sexuality. And that was when he left Mary Austin. He told her he was bisexual. Mary answerred that she thought Freddie was gay. |
Munchsack 14.10.2005 07:51 |
I love Freddie. He had an excellent voice and excellent songwriting talent, not to mention the unique way he performed on stage. It could be argued that he was as flambuoyant as he was because he was gay, but I don't like him because he was gay. I like him because he is THE GREATEST SINGER WHO EVER LIVED. Don't even bother to argue with this statement. |
Sharon G. 14.10.2005 08:12 |
Freddie and ONLY Freddie............ |
tia 14.10.2005 08:18 |
Whisperer wrote: I have understood that Freddie treated his gay partners like shit. I don't he was too proud about being bisexual.I read the opposite. Freddie was hurt so many times by his lovers.Alot of them took advantage of him and used him. |
Jaywilliams 14.10.2005 08:24 |
I don't think loyal2freddie is implying gay people should listen to Queen because Freddie Mercury was Gay or whatever he was, at all. I happen to think that Freddie Mercury was an extremely icon figure to the general public, but because he partied and had many boyfriends, we gather he is gay. Therefore he is a gay icon also. Wasn't Jim Hutton introduced as Mercury's Husband by Mercury himself? Hold on right! If some male were to introduce another male as their husband - i think that is a pretty good clue, they might be homosexual. . . Do correct me if I am wrong. . . |
Soviet girl 14.10.2005 08:37 |
loyal2freddie wrote: It is so obnoxious to hear gay guys criticize Freddie for "not being openly gay". Since when was Freddie not open about this? I can cite three different quotes where he flat out admits it.Ok, can you show us these quotes? It'd be interesting to read them. |
spymyshadow 14.10.2005 08:38 |
loyal2freddie wrote: To Queen fans, It is too bad that many gay people do not appreciate Freddie in the way that they they should. For instance, they are always acting like Cher and Barbra Streisand are so great, even though they are not even gay. Why don't they praise one of their own? Meanwhile, they refuse to recognize Freddie as a great musician and entertainer. Instead, they act like Madonna, who has very little musical talent, is so great instead. It is so obnoxious to hear gay guys criticize Freddie for "not being openly gay". Since when was Freddie not open about this? I can cite three different quotes where he flat out admits it. Are there any gay fans on this forum who would like to share their experiences/thoughts about this?gay people are just human beings with their tastes, so being gay doesn't mean strictly appreciating anyone who's gay. concerning some gay's reproach about freddie's blurred outing, I think it was part of his fierce defense of his private life not to talk about what he did between sheets, so it comes that at least in case of women or men lovers it behaved the same . |
Richy Mercury 14.10.2005 11:33 |
I never met a gay that liked the music of Freddie Mercury. |
its_a_hard_life 14.10.2005 12:24 |
I love Freddie for his music his talent not for him being gay/bi that doesnt matter to me, in the long run we must never forget that he was the best showman rockstar in the world gay or not hes still my hero. |
Mr.Jingles 14.10.2005 12:42 |
Gays don't appreciate Freddie (or Queen for that matter) because gay people have an awful music taste, therefore they like all the shitty music like Barbara Streisand, Cher, Madonna, and genres like techno, disco, and dance. So whenever you hear someone saying... "that music sounds kinda gay", what they mean is: "it sounds like CRAP". |
deleted user 14.10.2005 13:30 |
Actualy I think you should look at it a more psychologique.... Barbara Streisand and Madonna or some other female singers (Doley Parten maybe too) are adonished by gay man because of the fact that they have that faminity that they are looking for.... They might not be the best female singers or gay they just are in the view of gay man very faminine... On the contrary to gay women (lesbians) they are very against Madonna, Barbara Streisand or other female, because of the fact they are to faminine... and sure don't go around looking like Britney Spears you might get a fist or called dolley.... Very funny to notice is that within the lesbian sociaty they do not adonish that much of famous ppl...They do tent to like much the actress of Tank Girl (be jet no adonishing) Psychologicaly they explain that gay man have the same mind as (hetero)girls -> they do look up to very female singers, actress while lesbian are more like (hetero)boys, trying to proove the world they don't need help and that they all can do it by themselfs... Of course this is all psychologic view.... |
wembley86 14.10.2005 14:23 |
it is alot of crap about gays not liking freddie. everybody has different tasts in music no matter if they were gay of straight. and as madonna having not talent, THAT IS A LOAD OF CRAP! she's writes her own songs thankyou very much. she has been in the business for over 20years changing herself imagine and that's talent to keep yourself original with todays music styles. and as for freddie i love him just as much as any other queen fan. and he didn't want to say he was gay or bi because he thought it would kill his career. elton john didn't come out until the earliy 90's. no one knew about rock hudson until the great actor died. rock stars and actors have imagine to live up to. for fans of all sexualiy. and that's my two cents! |
its_a_hard_life 14.10.2005 15:04 |
the_hero wrote:IMFAO!Mr.Jingles wrote: Gays don't appreciate Freddie (or Queen for that matter) because gay people have an awful music taste, therefore they like all the shitty music like Barbara Streisand, Cher, Madonna, and genres like techno, disco, and dance. So whenever you hear someone saying... "that music sounds kinda gay", what they mean is: "it sounds like CRAP".Rap/R&B/Hardcore/Bubbling is gay music then to me. |
doremi 14.10.2005 15:12 |
YourValentine wrote: "It is too bad that many gay people do not appreciate Freddie in the way that they they should. For instance, they are always acting like Cher and Barbra Streisand are so great, even though they are not even gay." I am straight, I really should not listen to a band whose lead singer was gay. Shouldn't I much rather listen to musicians "of my own" ? Moreover, I am a woman and Queen do not even have a woman in their band. Should I not listen to Madonna or Blondie instead? I hope you see that your idea that gay people automatically like Freddie's music only because he was gay is unrealistic. As to the "openly gay" issue: Freddie always refused to answer questions about his sexual orientation. Although he never really denied it, he also never openly confirmed it. He said he wanted to keep the "mystique". The truth is that he was also a good business man and he did not want to alienate fans who might have a problem with it.First, I totally agree 100% with what Barb said. 2nd....here's one for you. Freddie himself, was a fan of Liza Minelli, Liz Taylor (though she's an actress not a musician), Marilyn Monroe (also an actress), and Montserrat Caballe...all iconic women that Gay men like and so Freddie for whatever appeal certain female artists have for gay men, Freddie had the same tastes, as well as for disco music (though many straight people love disco, disco was born initially as a reaction and out of the New York gay counter culture). |
eekabear 14.10.2005 15:20 |
Wow! To find such ignorance and bigotry in this day and age is astonishing and appalling! 'Gays' don't have an opinion on Freddie's coming out or not - most intelligent gay people understand the trauma of coming out, and that it's a personal choice to do so or not, and that everyone has their own reasons for making that choice, so a gay person lambasting someone for not coming out, highlights them as vacuus, and so not worth listening to. As for 'gays' not liking Queen, that too is bollocks - all the gay guys I know love Queen. Of those that I've talked with, none of them like Queen JUST because Freddie was gay/bi/curious (though he was bent as a bottle of chips, whether anyone else likes it or not) but because the music is so good. As for Cher/Kylie/Madonna, that's not music for 'gay' people - it's music for 'camp' people... you'll find the vast majority of 'gays' aren't camp and don't buy into the 'gay' ethos of listening to crap just because it's purportedly 'gay'. Sadly, there are a few that do, but they're just pointless, weak-minded cretins - their sexuality has nothing to do with it. And me? Been a Queen fan since '75, been gay since the day I was born, been camp once and that was only for a laugh, been 'out' since 1987, work for a gay company, listen to prog rock, and I didn't attempt to shag Freddie when I met him. He wasn't my type. Much rather have Roger. End of rant. Until next time... |
The Fairy King 14.10.2005 15:25 |
Remember the annoying interview with the lady asking the same questions? (Champions Of the World) She asked if IWTBF was dedicated to the "gay world". And he answered with something like: No, it's not written for the gayworld at all, it's basically about everybody...besides it's not my song, John wrote it. *wink* *wink* |
The Fairy King 14.10.2005 15:25 |
Remember the annoying interview with the lady asking the same questions? (Champions Of the World) She asked if IWTBF was dedicated to the "gay world". And he answered with something like: No, it's not written for the gayworld at all, it's basically about everybody...besides it's not my song, John wrote it. *wink* *wink* |
Jjeroen 14.10.2005 15:28 |
Eekabear... I wrote something quite similar to what you wrote, but then descided 'no, forget it, I'm not getting in this again - it's no use anyway', and deleted. But you are absolutely right! It's shocking to see how ignorant, shortsighted and full of prejudice and stereotype people can be. Rob Halford (Judas Priest) is openly GAY! Think about that one for a while. |
deleted user 14.10.2005 15:32 |
I dont mind gays or bisexuals or watever because at leats they dont hury me i like them or hurt my feelings thats to nayone old human being though.Freddie Mercury was my love of my life my rock legend singer and hero and still is so no take the piss out of my lovely adorble sexy freddie mercury!!!! |
brENsKi 14.10.2005 17:27 |
yeah, and all those blind f*ckers - no appreciation whatsoever for Stevie Wonder....and druggies why don't more of em stand up and say how much Kurt Cobain has done for them.....and don't get me started on Paedos...why the fuck don't more of em appreciate Michael Jackson? |
kat at lack 14.10.2005 20:07 |
I don't see why it matters. Freddie was a great singer weather he was gay or strait. As a strait person I really don't see why people make such a big deal about it. Freddie was one of a kind gays and straits agree. |
kdj2hot 15.10.2005 03:51 |
YourValentine wrote: "It is too bad that many gay people do not appreciate Freddie in the way that they they should. For instance, they are always acting like Cher and Barbra Streisand are so great, even though they are not even gay." I am straight, I really should not listen to a band whose lead singer was gay. Shouldn't I much rather listen to musicians "of my own" ? Moreover, I am a woman and Queen do not even have a woman in their band. Should I not listen to Madonna or Blondie instead? I hope you see that your idea that gay people automatically like Freddie's music only because he was gay is unrealistic. As to the "openly gay" issue: Freddie always refused to answer questions about his sexual orientation. Although he never really denied it, he also never openly confirmed it. He said he wanted to keep the "mystique". The truth is that he was also a good business man and he did not want to alienate fans who might have a problem with it.I have to say you're speaking out your ass a lil. Freddie not answering questions publically had nothing to do with good business. Why would he sing homosexual lyrics on a record. What, he didn't expect anyone to buy Mr. Bad Guy? Be for real, Freddie was what he was as Roger Taylor said and I don't think he cared what he thought. This is further proved by how he dealt with the AIDS issue, everyone and their mama knew it wasn't normal for someone to lose that much weight over a couple of yrs but he didn't shy away from making videos. To psychologically analyse Freddie, I'd say he probably felt the answer was too obvious already, why would he need to say anything when you can already see it. The same with his sexuality, if you didn't know and cared to know the answer you're obviously stupid. Some of the smarter zoners will understand that. |
deleted user 15.10.2005 05:37 |
<font color=red>BEE<font color=gold>ny wrote: Actualy I think you should look at it a more psychologique.... Barbara Streisand and Madonna or some other female singers (Doley Parten maybe too) are adonished by gay man because of the fact that they have that faminity that they are looking for.... They might not be the best female singers or gay they just are in the view of gay man very faminine... On the contrary to gay women (lesbians) they are very against Madonna, Barbara Streisand or other female, because of the fact they are to faminine... and sure don't go around looking like Britney Spears you might get a fist or called dolley.... Very funny to notice is that within the lesbian sociaty they do not adonish that much of famous ppl...They do tent to like much the actress of Tank Girl (be jet no adonishing) Psychologicaly they explain that gay man have the same mind as (hetero)girls -> they do look up to very female singers, actress while lesbian are more like (hetero)boys, trying to proove the world they don't need help and that they all can do it by themselfs... Of course this is all psychologic view.........I don't know what happen yesterday ... but half of my message fall out of it... so after: of course this is all psychologic view... I wanted to make clear that this wasn't my point of view and that this was only ppl giving a stereo type to the gay world.... I got this psychologic view from teachers at the UCD when I studied SEN (Special Education Needs)... I have to say I was outraged... I got a week suspention because I told him that this was ridiculous and called him an ignorent... I am not gay but bisexuel (ne, I said it), but aldought it was directed to the gay ppl I was kind of upset... I have been going out a lot within the gay area and I can tell you this isn't correct at all... Just go and take a look at the George in Dublin or the Castle Inn(aldough I think it has changed of address I am not sure)... I don't like mecanics .... I am quite feminine(you can ask to everyone who was at the Cologne Concert)and do like to ask the help of my neighbour male of female.... Ofcourse to the same teacher (back in time), I have no right of speech as I am bisexual and bisexuality is a lot bullucks and are ppl who are confused.... |
Little_Queenie 15.10.2005 08:03 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Gays don't appreciate Freddie (or Queen for that matter) because gay people have an awful music taste, therefore they like all the shitty music like Barbara Streisand, Cher, Madonna, and genres like techno, disco, and dance.Lol, you're joking, right? Please tell me you are... I didn't even had the nerves to read all posts of this topic, but even those I have were far too much.. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It's hillarious in the first case, but also sad how you people are full of stereotypes and prejudices. Sorry to disappoint many of you who are constantly trying to generalise things (in this case that all or most gay people have the same musical taste). I have more than a few gay friends who listen to METAL. I mean how's this possible??!?? Metal is not for gay people!!! (I hope you'll be able to see the sarcasm in these last two sentences). Rubbish and load of shit. Also most of them actually love Queen - and BIG SURPRISE AGAIN - not because Freddie was gay but simply because Queen made a hell of a great music. I still can't believe there is so much ignorance in here.. |
PainPleasure 08.11.2005 21:58 |
<font color=black>Dennis Daja<h6>QZs God wrote: Freddie wasn't gay. Freddie wasn't straight Freddie wasn't bi. He was more like a dentist, he just had to fill holes. To be quite honest I think Freddie himself didn't knew what he was. Sertain times he would have a girlfriend, but even more often a boyfriend. And he was always in love with Mary.I think this is quite true... |
PainPleasure 08.11.2005 21:59 |
vivival wrote: Just reading one post on this page makes me want to vomit.Get a life... |
A_night_@_the_opera 09.11.2005 07:04 |
vivival wrote: Just reading one post on this page makes me want to vomit.Reading your thread makes me want to vomit more like, your a sick twist person. |
Zander05 10.11.2005 19:05 |
loyal2freddie wrote: To Queen fans, It is too bad that many gay people do not appreciate Freddie in the way that they they should. For instance, they are always acting like Cher and Barbra Streisand are so great, even though they are not even gay. Why don't they praise one of their own? Meanwhile, they refuse to recognize Freddie as a great musician and entertainer. Instead, they act like Madonna, who has very little musical talent, is so great instead. It is so obnoxious to hear gay guys criticize Freddie for "not being openly gay". Since when was Freddie not open about this? I can cite three different quotes where he flat out admits it. Are there any gay fans on this forum who would like to share their experiences/thoughts about this?I don't really identify as gay, but I will say something here. *puts on his rant hat and straps on his ass-kicking boots* I'm attracted to guys (and I don't mean the biological ones), and *I* consider Freddie Mercury my hero. Loads of gay people, having been/being in the closet would not bitch just because Freddie didn't announce he was gay every two seconds. The GLBTQI community is about visibility but there's no law saying "If you're queer, you must be an out, flaming femme man or a butch, flannel-wearing bull-dyke. Also, you must all listen to techno and dance music (which I also love) and Melissa Etheridge and KD Lang respectively." There's no law saying gays /have/ to like certain music or music artists. That's like telling me I can only listen to this rap artist link just because I'm FTM like he is. Just because you happen to appreciate the music of one gay man does not mean that you're an authority on queer issues and know entirely what goes on in the community. To put it bluntly: Don't assume anything. You go on ahead and let people have their own opinions about music. |
*3*Playful as a pussycat 10.11.2005 20:41 |
*sigh*....does it honestly matter? you are what you are and it shouldnt matter otherwise... tell me...what do u achieve by labeling people? ...absolutely NOTHING! love who you love, make love to who you choose to make love to, and anyone that has a problem with it should just fuck off because in the end...who cares? |
Grantcdn 11.11.2005 00:57 |
who cares what he was as that clearly doesn't matter, all of us are human beings....some male some female some straight, some not so straight....some homosexual....some have dark hair....some are white,black,etc. whatever...............and anyone not appreciating his music and performances clearly has a lack of musical taste.... as for him not revealing himself earlier due to business sense I think is true.....their career in North America took a nose dive once people suspected....and then confirmed that he was something other than straight.......'85 and Mr Bad Guy was probably the first time it was completely obvious.....otherwise you could always guess at it..........personally I think he should have just kept the guessing game going.....as even with sitcoms on tv when the two individuals actually get together it takes the fun and interest out of it....................the press were pretty much in the know but couldn't really get that out there fearing suits and repurcussions from the band....and I think the bigoted press hated Freddie partly because he was something other than straight and hated that someone like that could be so successful and arrogant about it.... |