QueenZone discussion #628389

This 'lady' here needs a lobotomy. I mean, it can't make it any worse.

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:

This 'lady' here needs a lobotomy. I mean, it can't make it any worse.

How about slow starvation? Since that seems to be what YOU'RE into.

Slow starvation on someone who is braindead doesn't have any effect. And now I'm talking about someone who is LITERALLY braindead, so not you and your soulmates. Her body was not able to take up any usefull nourishment anyway. If you were to know ANYTHING at all about the human body, you would've known that. But I prefer the idea of lobotomizing you over starvation.

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:

Zeni wrote: I would imagine there are several websites that are more open to your specific political thoughts.

Yeah, but she was banned from the forum of the American Nazi Party because they thought she was too conservative. This 'lady' here needs a lobotomy. I mean, it can't make it any worse.

Haystacks Calhoun wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:

Zeni wrote: I would imagine there are several websites that are more open to your specific political thoughts.

Yeah, but she was banned from the forum of the American Nazi Party because they thought she was too conservative. This 'lady' here needs a lobotomy. I mean, it can't make it any worse.

This is called "liberal tolerance".....

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Haystacks Calhoun wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:

Zeni wrote: I would imagine there are several websites that are more open to your specific political thoughts.

Yeah, but she was banned from the forum of the American Nazi Party because they thought she was too conservative. This 'lady' here needs a lobotomy. I mean, it can't make it any worse.

This is called "liberal tolerance".....

Same as conservative tolerance, which reminds me of: - Ann Coulter claiming that the U.S. should invade the entire middle east, kill all their leaders and convert them to christianity. - Rev. Pat Robertson calling out for the assasination of the president of Venezuela. - Bill O'Reilly claiming that sadly the UN building wasn't hit by Katrina.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: How do you know? How do you know she didn't feel anything? Are you her? No, you're not.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Coulter, O'Reilly, and Robertson are simply talking heads. No one does or should take them seriously.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: How do you know? How do you know she didn't feel anything? Are you her? No, you're not.

As has been said here several times before: If the cerebral cortex is dead, then the person is dead. End of debate. Anyone who disagrees is either scientifically misinformed or too religious (or both).

jasen101 wrote: If I ever end up a vegetable...please, please switch me off right away! More power to Michael Schiavo...as howard stern said...when blinking becomes the highlight of your day...it's time to go.

Tero wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Coulter, O'Reilly, and Robertson are simply talking heads. No one does or should take them seriously.

That reminds me... Why is every similar comment by muslims taken as the official opinion of the entire community, and used as an excuse to villify millions of people? And this is coming from the same people (mainly Americans and British) spend an awful lot of time emphasising how their views should not be deduced from those of their leaders.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: How do you know? How do you know she didn't feel anything? Are you her? No, you're not.

As has been said here several times before: If the cerebral cortex is dead, then the person is dead. End of debate. Anyone who disagrees is either scientifically misinformed or too religious (or both).

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: How do you know? How do you know she didn't feel anything? Are you her? No, you're not.

As has been said here several times before: If the cerebral cortex is dead, then the person is dead. End of debate. Anyone who disagrees is either scientifically misinformed or too religious (or both).

It's useless Bob. Arguing with Sarajane is like beating a dead horse, it doesn't matter if you hold all the correct facts to support your argument. Look at all the evidence against Mark Fuhrman for being racist and commiting perjury, yet she still believes that he's an innocent man victim of a conspiracy against him.

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: How about arguing with a dead horse and beating Sarajane instead? That's a lot more fun, and the dead horse is better conversation. Sarajane, you seem to be devoid of every sense of reason in the world. Your 'what part of the body holds the soul' crap, well, if it's what you want to believe...but if the soul is not part of the body, it cannot feel the pain of the body, and if it can feel the pain of the body, it's part of it and thus dies with it. It's that simple. So either her soul died or it didn't hurt.

Mr.Jingles wrote: Can anyone tell me straight from the heart that allowing someone to live under a vegetate state for the rest of their existence when there's no medical posibility of bringing them back to live a normal life is the right thing to do? Personally if that was my case, I'd want the plug to be pulled on me. I would pretty much do the same thing if it was one of my parents living under those conditions. Personally, I respect the decision of those who hope for a miracle to happen, but after over 10 years of living in such conditions some of us lose all our hope. Do we deserve to be called "criminals" or "murderers" for that?

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Because we DON'T KNOW WHAT MS. SCHIAVO'S WISHES WERE.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:

Tero wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Coulter, O'Reilly, and Robertson are simply talking heads. No one does or should take them seriously.

That reminds me... Why is every similar comment by muslims taken as the official opinion of the entire community, and used as an excuse to villify millions of people? And this is coming from the same people (mainly Americans and British) spend an awful lot of time emphasising how their views should not be deduced from those of their leaders.

/I/ don't judge all Muslims. Many Muslims are fine people.

Mr.Jingles wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Because we DON'T KNOW WHAT MS. SCHIAVO'S WISHES WERE.

Which also bring us back to the point where we ask ourselves... "Would she have wanted to live like that?". We don't know that either. Once a person is brain dead, it's pretty much DEAD. You can't talk nor share all kinds of human emotions with this person, and it's very sad to see someone like this but they're quite just simply DEAD. I wouldn't blame my girlfriend for starting a new life with someone else while I'm brain dead. After all, if I'm dead and I'm completely unable to give the love, affection and all the things that makes a relationship work. I would definitely want her to move on with her life and find happiness with another person.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: No, because they weren't guided by ulterior motives and reasons to get her out of the way. Don't you remember the Euthanasia campaign of 1939? That got rid of a lot of people like Terri, too. Who was the great fellow in charge of that? Oh yeah, that was HITLER. Whoops.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: FYI, it's never been scientifically determined what part of the body, if any, holds the "soul". So you don't know if she was still in there. And if she was already dead, then what's the big deal? The parents wanted to pay for her, let them pay for her and keep her alive as long as they want. Why take their child out from underneath them and murder her?

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Even if she DIDN'T feel anything, MURDER IS WRONG.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Can anyone tell me straight from the heart that allowing someone to live under a vegetate state for the rest of their existence when there's no medical posibility of bringing them back to live a normal life is the right thing to do? Personally if that was my case, I'd want the plug to be pulled on me. I would pretty much do the same thing if it was one of my parents living under those conditions. Personally, I respect the decision of those who hope for a miracle to happen, but after over 10 years of living in such conditions some of us lose all our hope. Do we deserve to be called "criminals" or "murderers" for that?

Because we DON'T KNOW WHAT MS. SCHIAVO'S WISHES WERE. If she had explicitly left instructions or told more people what she wished, it would be different. However, the only witness is her husband, who has ulterior motives (his new chick).

Tero wrote: Should I take it that muslims are so stupid they will mindlessly obey anybody, or are they just intentionally made out to be more dangerous than they really are?

Ravenetta wrote: for Freddiesghettotrench, you need to realize that Mrs Schiavo was indeed brain dead, and that basically means in laymans terms that she wouldve never truly live again. she will never communicate with others, and blinking was merely an automatic response of any brain impulses taht existted. if you saw the autopsy, her brain was pretty much mush (as horrible as it sounded). i suggest you research more on her case before getting defensive.

i had to deal with the same thing with a loved one of the family. she was braindead and her organs were shutting down day by day. if she had lived, she wouldve never spoken, moved or done anything on her own. i dont kow about you but i wouldnt want to live a life like that. i hope this helps settle some things. if i hear about another schiavo thing, i will snap lol.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Tero wrote: Should I take it that muslims are so stupid they will mindlessly obey anybody, or are they just intentionally made out to be more dangerous than they really are?

Of course, the right-wing American media wants you to believe Islam is wrong and Muslims are all bad people, because they want to impose the idea that Christianity is the only correct religion.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: FYI, it's never been scientifically determined what part of the body, if any, holds the "soul". So you don't know if she was still in there. And if she was already dead, then what's the big deal? The parents wanted to pay for her, let them pay for her and keep her alive as long as they want. Why take their child out from underneath them and murder her?

If she's dead, then we're spending unnecessary money to feed her and keep her alive. But again, the US has spent trillions in Iraq, money which could have healthily fed the entire world for a year, so what difference is one person in a hospital?

So in the end, I can concede and say that since there was no evidence that she wanted to die in a vegetative state, the parents should have been allowed to do what they wish. She wouldn't have known the difference, anyway. But in my opinion, there should really be no purpose in keeping her alive. Letting her go has hopefully allowed the parents to move on with their lives, rather than live in false hope that their daughter would miraculously return.

You still failed to answer his question objectively.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: BUZZ. Wrong. Not all Republicans are Christian and the media is anything but "right-wing".

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: If she's dead, then we're spending unnecessary money to feed her and keep her alive. But again, the US has spent trillions in Iraq, money which could have healthily fed the entire world for a year, so what difference is one person in a hospital?

We're also spending a good deal of money to feed blood-thirsty murderers in prisons. At least Terri wasn't hurting anyone. And, FYI, in Iraq we are rebuilding a country.

Ravenetta wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:

Ravenetta wrote: for Freddiesghettotrench, you need to realize that Mrs Schiavo was indeed brain dead, and that basically means in laymans terms that she wouldve never truly live again. she will never communicate with others, and blinking was merely an automatic response of any brain impulses taht existted. if you saw the autopsy, her brain was pretty much mush (as horrible as it sounded). i suggest you research more on her case before getting defensive.

That doesn't make it all right for her husband to kill her so he can marry his new flame.

i had to deal with the same thing with a loved one of the family. she was braindead and her organs were shutting down day by day. if she had lived, she wouldve never spoken, moved or done anything on her own. i dont kow about you but i wouldnt want to live a life like that. i hope this helps settle some things. if i hear about another schiavo thing, i will snap lol.

It's not going to "settle" anything because whatever her condition starving someone to death is WRONG.

the stravation thing it something the media tried to make it sound worse than it really was.

as for response to "kill her for a new flame" wasnt the case. if you heard that then it was more media shit. you should know by now that they distort things so people pay more attention to their sourse than others.

i dont think you were listening very well bc you didnt respond with something other than your view of the same answer over again.

not to be a bitch, but really i think you need to check your research and look at a medical ethisist.

if youre willing to listen or accept the fact that life moves on, and terris life was pretty much at its end.

i suggest you look up how she ended up the way she did as well and hte things leading up to the point of her collapse.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Oh yeah. Starvation, it's underrated. It's not so bad. How about you don't eat for fourteen days and see how the media "tried to make it sound worse than it really was"?

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Oh yeah. Starvation, it's underrated. It's not so bad. How about you don't eat for fourteen days and see how the media "tried to make it sound worse than it really was"?

She was a vegetable. Therefore she did not feel anything.

Bob The Shrek wrote: 'Yeah, because MURDER IS WRONG. There's no real clear-cut way to rephrase that.' The only trouble is - it wasn't murder. And no matter how much you argue the case, the ethics, the reasoning behind Michael Shciavo's decision - it is still not murder because your court system said so.

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: I'm starting to feel a strong urge to kill you brutally and inhumanly...

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: I'm starting to feel a strong urge to kill you brutally and inhumanly...

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: ...it's always nice to know that where there's a disgusting villian, there will be a profitable book deal.

I didn't know George Bush was writing a book?

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: ...it's always nice to know that where there's a disgusting villian, there will be a profitable book deal.

I didn't know George Bush was writing a book?

Ha. Ha. Ha. It probably took you all night to come up with that one.

Actually, it took me some 15 seconds. Not everyone has your speed when it comes to thinking of witty comments.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Also, FYI: <I> In 1920, well before the Nazis rose to power, German judge Karl Binding and psychiatrist Alfred Hoche wrote "The Release of the Destruction of Life Devoid of Value," a 60 page booklet which suggested that some lives were not worth living. Binding and Hoche justified euthanasia of "absolutely worthless human beings." Over time, the ideas presented by Binding and Hoche gained acceptance in German society. That acceptance provided a convenient foundation for the Nazi euthanasia program known as Aktion T-4. Implemented in 1939, the purpose of Aktion T-4 was to eliminate "the worthless lives of seriously ill mental patients." This program began with the euthanasia of children up to the age of three, but was quickly expanded to include physically and mentally handicapped older children and adults. These people, whose lives were considered to be "not worth living," were killed by starvation, lethal injection, and the gas chamber. </I> (Source: The American Thinker) Sound familiar?

Bob The Shrek wrote: You can also turn the argument around and ask how humane was it to keep her alive by artificial means for so long.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Vegetable is an offensive phrase. If she didn't feel anything, I suppose that would have made it alright to chop off her head then, too?

Zeni wrote: To compare a systematic execution of unfit people in 1930s Germany to the death of one person who was already medically brain dead is grasping at intellectual straws. You pluck out a few facts from history, but you provide no context for them. German society in the early-twentieth century (and especially in the inter-war period) was drastically different than the US today. These facts speak more to racial theory and the influence of Darwinism upon the imperial powers of the late-nineteenth/early-twentieth centuries than they do to modern debate over right-to-die issues in the US.

Rip Van Winkle wrote: A feeding tube and an I-V are arificial means.

Rip Van Winkle wrote: A feeding tube and an I-V are arificial means.

dragonzflame wrote: Where did you hear that? If you're going to make sweeping accusations about this man - like you've done through this thread - the least you can do is share your sources with us. One of the first things any university teaches you is to always back up your statements with reliable facts. And stuff posted on random internet sites/Justice for Terri Schaivo message boards don't count.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Fuhrman, Mark. "Silent Witness". New York: 2005.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Fuhrman, Mark. "Silent Witness". New York: 2005.

Ahh yeah, there's an unbiased, bi-partisan source for information.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Well, it's also the only book written on the matter ATM.

FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Michael Schiavo refused to let minority nurses treat his wife because he didn't want them to see her naked. Instead, he requested blonde females. Yeah, he was SO devoted to his wife.

<font color=#CC0066>SomebodyToLoveMe wrote: I know he has as much right as anyone, but people die everyday, and their partners don't write books about it.. :|