Whisperer 06.09.2005 16:01 |
This is just a theory, so please dobn't kill me fo saying this ;-) If you listen to Mother Love and try to leave all the music out and only listen to Freddie singing, do you get the idea that the song in fact consists of two different songs (probably put together after Freddie's death)? No you will probably think say that BohRhap is one song and still sounds like that. Ok, but isn't it still possible that Freddie didn't have the strenght to finish the two written songs and Brian & co. could only had snippets of both to use while recording the music in 1994? According to my theory the songs are: 1. I don't want to sleep with you I don't need the passion too I don't want a stormy affair To make me feel my life is heading somewhere All I want is the comfort and care Just to know that my woman gives me sweet - Mother love I don't want to make no waves But you can give me all the love that I crave I can't take if you see me cry I long for peace before I die All I want to know that you're there You're gonna give me all your sweet - Mother love My body's aching, but I can't sleep My dreams are all the company I keep Got such a feeling as the sun goes down I'm coming home to my sweet - Mother love The last part is of course recorded and sung by Brian after Freddie's death. 2. I've walked too long in this lonely lane I've had enough of this same old game I'm a man of the world and they say I'm strong But my heart is heavy and my hope is gone Out in the city, in the cold world outside I don't want pity, just safe place to hide Mama please, let me back inside I know that many (Queen) songs have verses that differ from the rest, but still I don't think this is the case with Mother Love. |
Insomni@ 06.09.2005 16:09 |
Whisperer wrote: This is just a theory, so please dobn't kill me fo saying this ;-) If you listen to Mother Love and try to leave all the music out and only listen to Freddie singing, do you get the idea that the song in fact consists of two different songs (probably put together after Freddie's death)? No you will probably think say that BohRhap is one song and still sounds like that. Ok, but isn't it still possible that Freddie didn't have the strenght to finish the two written songs and Brian & co. could only had snippets of both to use while recording the music in 1994? According to my theory the songs are: 1. I don't want to sleep with you I don't need the passion too I don't want a stormy affair To make me feel my life is heading somewhere All I want is the comfort and care Just to know that my woman gives me sweet - Mother love I don't want to make no waves But you can give me all the love that I crave I can't take if you see me cry I long for peace before I die All I want to know that you're there You're gonna give me all your sweet - Mother love My body's aching, but I can't sleep My dreams are all the company I keep Got such a feeling as the sun goes down I'm coming home to my sweet - Mother love The last part is of course recorded and sung by Brian after Freddie's death. 2. I've walked too long in this lonely lane I've had enough of this same old game I'm a man of the world and they say I'm strong But my heart is heavy and my hope is gone Out in the city, in the cold world outside I don't want pity, just safe place to hide Mama please, let me back inside I know that many (Queen) songs have verses that differ from the rest, but still I don't think this is the case with Mother Love.Yeah,it seems like it's two songs. According to what I've heard it was the last song which Freddie recorded before his death but he never finished it,so Brian sung the rest of the song |
Sebastian 06.09.2005 16:17 |
A bridge of a song is meant to provide sharp contrast, that's why the melody is different. Not a surprise. |
Whisperer 06.09.2005 16:52 |
Yes Sebastian, I'm aware of that. That part just sounds like something more than just a bridge. The whole song seems to be mad eout of demo snippets recording at various points in time. |
brENsKi 06.09.2005 17:13 |
i agree.. it's very much a 'let me live' type thing |
kohuept 06.09.2005 17:31 |
I remember Brian writing about the recording of that song, and he mentioned how Freddie kept trying the bridge over and over to make it better. I don't think it was the most properly conceived song given the time, but I think it was meant to be ONE song. It seems Freddie just 'did a Freddie' and made the song explode in the bridge. |
Adam Baboolal 06.09.2005 17:39 |
As John S Stuart has explained in the fan mix section, it is most definitely an important part of this song. It's definitely NOT from another song. Peace, Adam. |
Oszmercury 06.09.2005 19:12 |
well, i was hearin the song, and check, in the last part, I think that is in the middle of the mix of sounds, you can hear freddie singing, from what song comes that line?? it sounds so beautiful d u know¨? |
FriedChicken 06.09.2005 19:45 |
Could be his vocal games from Wembley '86, Could be One Vision Could be Going Back (I think you mean this one) |
Wiley 06.09.2005 20:36 |
There's something else about that song. Someone else mentioned some time ago that he could hear Brian sing the first sylabe of the bridge instead of Freddie but that it was almost seamlessly integrated with Freddie's powerful vocals of the rest of the bridge. I mean the "I walked alone in this lonely lane" part. You could say that the "I..." part sounds a little different and it could be Brian. I know it was mentioned before but I'm just bringing it up again to see if someone else hears this aswell or if I'm being predisposed by what I've been told. :S What do you think? |
The Real Wizard 06.09.2005 22:44 |
Wiley wrote: There's something else about that song. Someone else mentioned some time ago that he could hear Brian sing the first sylabe of the bridge instead of Freddie but that it was almost seamlessly integrated with Freddie's powerful vocals of the rest of the bridge. I mean the "I walked alone in this lonely lane" part. You could say that the "I..." part sounds a little different and it could be Brian. I know it was mentioned before but I'm just bringing it up again to see if someone else hears this aswell or if I'm being predisposed by what I've been told. :S What do you think?Freddie and Brian have occasionally had moments of sounding similar, and I think this is just another one of those cases. But it's close!! There's one moment on Happiness where Roger sounds just like Freddie, but I forget where it is! Someone help me out...! |
Daburcor? 07.09.2005 01:34 |
On the song Happiness or the album in general? |
GreatKingSam 07.09.2005 03:27 |
In No-One But You, when Roger sings ''...and well remember, forever'' - when he says ''forever'', I recon he sounds like Freddie there, maybe thats what you're talking about? |
GreatKingSam 07.09.2005 03:27 |
sorry, double post |
sdferertg 07.09.2005 04:00 |
There is something I noticed about Mother Love. It's mentioned here before in some way. in this verse: I walked too long in this lonely lane >>I've<< had enough of this same old game Now every time I hear that "I've", I hear Rogers voice. Maybe it's overdubbed with Rogers voice to make it sound more powerful.. I don't know. Houdoe, GaLiLe0 |
QUEENROCKS_1991 07.09.2005 04:14 |
Mmmm.... didnt know that but now u said it very cool the song is lovely |
EraserHead 07.09.2005 04:23 |
Wow it does sound like Brian. Quite odd. I have to say the bridge is the best part of the song. It makes it so epic and quite chilling. |
GreatKingSam 07.09.2005 05:23 |
I really, really, REALLY think that it is a simple as it's just Freddie's voice. To be honest, it doesn't sound at all like Bri or Rog, especially the "IIII've had enough..." part. |
Serry... 07.09.2005 07:01 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: There's one moment on Happiness where Roger sounds just like Freddie, but I forget where it is! Someone help me out...!For me it was Touch The Sky and this 'yeahhh' there - sounds like Freddie's |
Bobby_brown 07.09.2005 09:15 |
In my opinion it was just one song, probably recorded one bit at a time, but you can tell that the atmosphere is from the same place. You can't fake that in the studio, and i don't think that the last days of Freddie were spent writing songs about his dead so they could pick the best parts. Take care |
john bodega 07.09.2005 10:01 |
It's not Brian and Roger dubbing certain parts to make it stronger. It's Freddie. Because it sounds like him! That can sound incredibly naive, but the three of them have such distinctive voices, it's not possible for them to do anything that overt. Subtly, they could use each others voices, yeah. But not in this case. It's Freddie. |
gmhmagic 07.09.2005 10:22 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:maybe "touch the sky"? When I first heard it I thought that the "yeah" that comes from behind was done by Freddie... but he is not mentioned in the credits for doing it... despite the fact that the album "Happiness...?" is dedicated to him and that rare tiger... :DWiley wrote: There's something else about that song. Someone else mentioned some time ago that he could hear Brian sing the first sylabe of the bridge instead of Freddie but that it was almost seamlessly integrated with Freddie's powerful vocals of the rest of the bridge. I mean the "I walked alone in this lonely lane" part. You could say that the "I..." part sounds a little different and it could be Brian. I know it was mentioned before but I'm just bringing it up again to see if someone else hears this aswell or if I'm being predisposed by what I've been told. :S What do you think?Freddie and Brian have occasionally had moments of sounding similar, and I think this is just another one of those cases. But it's close!! There's one moment on Happiness where Roger sounds just like Freddie, but I forget where it is! Someone help me out...! |
The Real Wizard 07.09.2005 13:25 |
Serry... wrote:That's the one!! I love that. Thanks for finding it, both Serry and gmhmagic.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: There's one moment on Happiness where Roger sounds just like Freddie, but I forget where it is! Someone help me out...!For me it was Touch The Sky and this 'yeahhh' there - sounds like Freddie's |
kohuept 07.09.2005 16:00 |
I second Zebonka12's post. |
sbazb 07.09.2005 20:00 |
Over the years, and after many many listens to this song, I've come up with a few of theories about how this song was recorded. I like to think I have a well-trained ear. I've been into music since I can remember (from day 1 according to my parents) and played various instruments since I was 4. Anyway... as people have said above, and as Brian May has stated on occasion, the song is made up of many different takes of Freddie. They all belong to the same song though - Freddie was just so ill at this point he could only record in short snippets. As other people have noticed, the bridge of the song seems to have been strengthened by adding in Brian's voice for certain syllables. One clear example of this is "I'VE had enough of this same old game" Also in the bridge, the very last line "Mama please let me back inside" sounds as if it was recorded on a completely different day to the rest of the bridge. The overall sound quality and ambience is completely different to the rest of the bridge. It sounds very compressed. Another possibility is that the line was electronically pitch-shifted before being edited into the song. BEFORE I GET ATTACKED, I KNOW FREDDIE WAS A PITCH PERFECT SINGER BUT PLEASE REMEMBER HE WAS VERY ILL AND SOME OF THESE LINES PROBABLY ONLY HAD ONE USUABLE TAKE. In my defence, if you look at the "Champions of the World" documentary, in the section about recording the "Made In Heaven" album, there are shots of the tracksheets for "Mother Love". One track definately says something about a half-tone shift on a vocal line and you can also see how each line of the bridge was recorded separately and listed on a separate track. Anyway, any thoughts anyone has would be greatly received. Sorry if I sound pompous about anything. I'm very prepared to be proved wrong. :) Cheers Steve |
Adam Baboolal 07.09.2005 20:38 |
sbazb wrote: Anyway... as people have said above, and as Brian May has stated on occasion, the song is made up of many different takes of Freddie. They all belong to the same song though - Freddie was just so ill at this point he could only record in short snippets.Just remember that this way of recording was always the norm for Queen, i.e. recording bits and pieces of vocals to find what they wanted. The only difference would be the amount of time taken to get something completed. And the time in between takes. So, nothing to really worry over here. sbazb wrote: As other people have noticed, the bridge of the song seems to have been strengthened by adding in Brian's voice for certain syllables. One clear example of this is "I'VE had enough of this same old game"I admit that I listened specifically to this part and thought I heard Brian in the echoes. However, on a second listen it seemed to me that it was simply something born in the echoes. It's very possible that the character of the echoes and Freddie's voice just create that kind of sound. At least, that's what it sounds like. sbazb wrote: Also in the bridge, the very last line "Mama please let me back inside" sounds as if it was recorded on a completely different day to the rest of the bridge. The overall sound quality and ambience is completely different to the rest of the bridge. It sounds very compressed. Another possibility is that the line was electronically pitch-shifted before being edited into the song.Nope, on practically all of that. The reason it sounds different is the processing of the part. True, the compression definitely plays a part in why it sounds different. But it's not as much as you'd think, that's actually on there. There's also a frequency change as it's probably EQ'd differently to the rest of the vocals. It's also practically dry, i.e. no effects to make it sit like the rest of the vocal does before and after it. And therefore without all the reverb, delays and softer EQ for the vocal, it's entirely different sounding. Trust me, there's nothing fancy added to this part of the entire vocal to make it stick out more than usual. And regardless if it was recorded on a different day, it's the engineer's job to make it sound like the rest of the pre-recorded vocal takes. But obviously in this case, it was a completely intentional effect. sbazb wrote: ...if you look at the "Champions of the World" documentary, in the section about recording the "Made In Heaven" album, there are shots of the tracksheets for "Mother Love". One track definately says something about a half-tone shift on a vocal line and you can also see how each line of the bridge was recorded separately and listed on a separate track.Hmm... I'll have to watch that part in the studio. I haven't seen the video in a few years. That's pretty cool if it's definitely on there. Peace, Adam. |
NTL 08.09.2005 11:22 |
GaLiLe0 wrote: There is something I noticed about Mother Love. It's mentioned here before in some way. in this verse: I walked too long in this lonely lane >>I've<< had enough of this same old game Now every time I hear that "I've", I hear Rogers voice. Maybe it's overdubbed with Rogers voice to make it sound more powerful.. I don't know. Houdoe, GaLiLe0I am certain you are correct about this, I mentioned this on a forum a few years back and may aswell have been sent death threats. It is clearly Roger singing this and I dont see how anyone can argue that it is not. |
The Real Wizard 08.09.2005 12:22 |
NTL wrote: It is clearly Roger singing this and I dont see how anyone can argue that it is not.I can - because it's Freddie singing. Listen to the vibrato. Totally not Roger. |
GreatKingSam 08.09.2005 13:03 |
I'm not being funny or trying to sound rude or anything, but how the hell is it Brian or Roger? I really REALLY cannot hear it, have never thought it and... well, it's Freddie. Full stop. |
Adam Baboolal 08.09.2005 14:54 |
GreatKingSam wrote: I'm not being funny or trying to sound rude or anything, but how the hell is it Brian or Roger? I really REALLY cannot hear it, have never thought it and... well, it's Freddie. Full stop.Amen to that! Peace, Adam. |
kohuept 08.09.2005 15:36 |
Out of genuine curiosity and with no intent to sound rude... How many of the people who think they hear B or R singing were surprised to find that Freddie sang Sheer Heart Attack? |
Wiley 08.09.2005 15:43 |
I actually didn't listen to Sheer Heart Attack that much and I had the idea that it was Roger who sang it. I've been a fan since 1992, I've got all albums, some singles, some concerts in digital format and it's kinda embarrasing to admit that but I actually thought it was Roger. Never paid too much attention, actually, but Freddie sings very different from his usual way, specially the phrasing. Well, there it is, make fun of me, haha :) See ya, Wiley |
Insomni@ 08.09.2005 17:18 |
sbazb wrote: the song is made up of many different takes of Freddie. They all belong to the same song though - Freddie was just so ill at this point he could only record in short snippets. Also in the bridge, the very last line "Mama please let me back inside" sounds as if it was recorded on a completely different day to the rest of the bridge.I agree.I only know that Brian once said that they did record it on different days cause Freddie wanted the song to be perfect but the one time it was too sentimental and the other not that good for him.And when it was time to record the last part-the one that Brian sung-Freddie somehow couldn't and he told ''I'm gonna finish it another day'' but he never did. So,it tooks days to succeed the desirable hearing. Of course,I' m not denying that Brian or Roger helped to the vocal part to make song hear stronger.In a couple of parts you can clearly understand it. |
The Man On The Prowl 08.09.2005 18:56 |
I believe it was all one song from the beginning. Just think the way the bridge ends: Out in the city, in the cold world outside I don't want pity, just a safe place to hide Mama please, let me back inside. It can only take to Gm. Both music and lyrics of the bridge are strongly connected with the rest song. Anyway, if you are still doubtful, you could send an email and ask Brian himself! |
kohuept 16.09.2005 20:39 |
I know it's been a while since this topic was 'hot', but it just occurred to me that someone suggested that Brian was singing to strengthen Freddie's vocal. Have we EVER heard Brian overpower Freddie? |
zaiga 19.09.2005 08:02 |
It's not a matter of Brian's voice overpowering Freddie's. It's a matter of creating more total power by adding an extra layer... just like 2 + 1 = 3. Having said that, I'm doubtful that they added a layer with Brain's voice on Mother Love. I never noticed it, but I'll give it another listen.... |
spymyshadow 19.09.2005 10:24 |
GaLiLe0 wrote: Now every time I hear that "I've", I hear Rogers voice. Maybe it's overdubbed with Rogers voice to make it sound more powerful.. I don't know. Houdoe, GaLiLe0to me it seems more like brian's voice, but it is all the more fascinating for that |
john bodega 19.09.2005 11:00 |
Ok first of all, Freddie's voice changed from album to album, so it's not strange that he sounded a little different in '91. Second, I do believe his illness had an effect on his voice. It didn't make him 'bad', just - different. So when he sings "I've", it's a different sort of rough sound to what one is used to hearing. Without a shadow of a doubt, I say that it's just Freddie. Unless Sir Brian (ok, he's not knighted yet but he should be) comes on and puts me straight, I don't think anything can change my mind. Come on, it's Freddie Mercury! He didn't need frickin' overdubs to strengthen his voice. |
The Real Wizard 19.09.2005 15:09 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Come on, it's Freddie Mercury! He didn't need frickin' overdubs to strengthen his voice.Even if it was a month or two before he died? I'm pretty sure it's Freddie, but there is a sense of Brian's voice in that one word in the song. But again, there have been many times where they have sounded like each other. For years, I thought it was Brian that sang Dear Friends. |
Adam Baboolal 19.09.2005 23:26 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:See, overdubs that you're all suggesting to strengthen the voice are not necessary. It's actually used for a particular sounding effect. The best example is Bohemian Rhapsody where Freddie is double-tracked at certain points.Zebonka12 wrote: Come on, it's Freddie Mercury! He didn't need frickin' overdubs to strengthen his voice.Even if it was a month or two before he died? I'm pretty sure it's Freddie, but there is a sense of Brian's voice in that one word in the song. But again, there have been many times where they have sounded like each other. For years, I thought it was Brian that sang Dear Friends. And it should be obvious from Innuendo onwards that Freddie's voice was treated to more and more reverb and delay. Mother Love, being the final track he did, is full of the stuff. The point of delay in this sense is to thicken the vocal sound. So, there would be no need to record anything underneath one word. And thinking about this more, convinces me more that it's just a figment of peoples imagination that they're hearing this stuff. Perfect example is NOBY where Roger sings one word, "forever" and it sounds like Freddie. Even I can admit there's a striking resemblance. Peace, Adam. |
john bodega 22.09.2005 00:57 |
Well it's not unheard of for other singers to dub over other's lines to strengthen the sound. The Beatles did it to John Lennon's recordings to just give the sound a bit more oompha. |