| Krizzy 02.09.2005 11:18 |
READ THIS: link I hope that Bush-loving brainwashed teenager that supports that idiot of a president reads this too! Kriz >:o( |
| Smitty 02.09.2005 11:33 |
...was written by a CLINTON advisor!! Bush isn't an idiot. |
| Winter Land Man 02.09.2005 11:54 |
Smittygecko<br><font size=1>geckos rule! wrote: ...was written by a CLINTON advisor!! Bush isn't an idiot.No, the CLINTON advisor said "Bush should of known"... |
| Krizzy 02.09.2005 12:00 |
I truly beg to differ...but he's been paying back all the people that help him "steal" or excuse me ahem.. "win" the last two elections...the phatmaceutical and oil induistries...Please educate yourself and stop believing all the lies. Dick Cheney our vice president was CEO of Halliburton the company that supposed contract to rebuild Iraq....no way did they "win" that contract my friend because there was NO competition, sorry but you keep believing all those lies and hold your bible close honey the rest of us will seek the truth and hopefully enough of it will help to impeach the bastard! |
| Mr.Jingles 02.09.2005 12:12 |
The truth of the matter is that all those billions spent on the war in Iraq could have been spent re-building New Orleans. |
| The Mir@cle 02.09.2005 12:34 |
You all know my opinion... Days before Katrina destroyed New Orleans, they precisely knew what could happen there. They did not enough to help the people getting out of there... And now it's still a chaos... People die because there are no medicines, food or water. I think Bush is responsible for the lack of organisation. |
| rachael mae. 02.09.2005 12:34 |
Hmm.. as a "Bush-loving brainwashed teenager" I think I'll stay out of this.. |
| doremi 02.09.2005 12:41 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: The truth of the matter is that all those billions spent on the war in Iraq could have been spent re-building New Orleans.Totally agree. We are wasting billions of dollars, plus our military troops, medical personnel, food, medical, water, clothing supplies are all going to Iraq...to the Iraqui people who hate us and KILL US for being there... ...when we could use all those resources, and personnel..to HELP our OWN U.S. citizens in life & death dire need over here. ...Bush and the past adminsitrations all were told REPEATEDLY by engineers and legislators in/from Louisiana, that the levys HAD to be strengthened and updated, to prevent a catastrophe such as this, and were repeatedly told...there was no ''budget''. ..Now untold lives are lost and the cost to rebuild a city that looks like it was hit by an atom bomb will be MUCH higher. ..Bush and past administrations were all told to take staunch measures to stop global warming...that THIS is the primary cause of the increased amount..and increased FORCE of the hurricanes we have had the last few years....Bush and the past administrations BLEW it off and didn't give a rat's ass. Krizzy..I watched ABC's Prime Time last night night and they discussed all the things you have here in your posted article and I am still in utter disgust. As many have said, NO-ONE would ever think that in the USA, the richest, most modern, advanced nation in the world, that they could allow their own people to live....in 3rd world conditions. People are dying like flies from starvation, dehydration,..there is fear of typhoid and cholera from the standing filthy water and mosquitoes, people who need dire medications like insulin or dialysis treatments or blood who can't get any and are dying like flies.. ..they showed a man who had his own car and had to outrun carjackers to drive to Houston to be with his wife and terminally ill daughter who were evacuated by chopper to a hospital there, and he said that he saw horror stories like nothing you could imagine right here in the USA....women being dragged into abandoned destructed bulidings and being raped, people with cars being car jacked and killed. There have been snipers shooting at choppers and medivacs helicoptering out people from rooftops and hospitals. This makes Africa..and the Live 8 benefit seem like small potatoes. It is UNACCEPTABLE this is happening in the USA. |
| Winter Land Man 02.09.2005 12:59 |
I feel like going down there and murdering the rapists. There's no excuse to do that, not even in an emergency. No excuse to rape people. It fucking pisses me off. |
| Lisser 02.09.2005 13:08 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote:Agreed!!!Mr.Jingles wrote: The truth of the matter is that all those billions spent on the war in Iraq could have been spent re-building New Orleans.Totally agree. We are wasting billions of dollars, plus our military troops, medical personnel, food, medical, water, clothing supplies are all going to Iraq...to the Iraqui people who hate us and KILL US for being there... ...when we could use all those resources, and personnel..to HELP our OWN U.S. citizens in life & death dire need over here. ...Bush and the past adminsitrations all were told REPEATEDLY by engineers and legislators in/from Louisiana, that the levys HAD to be strengthened and updated, to prevent a catastrophe such as this, and were repeatedly told...there was no ''budget''. ..Now untold lives are lost and the cost to rebuild a city that looks like it was hit by an atom bomb will be MUCH higher. ..Bush and past administrations were all told to take staunch measures to stop global warming...that THIS is the primary cause of the increased amount..and increased FORCE of the hurricanes we have had the last few years....Bush and the past administrations BLEW it off and didn't give a rat's ass. Krizzy..I watched ABC's Prime Time last night night and they discussed all the things you have here in your posted article and I am still in utter disgust. As many have said, NO-ONE would ever think that in the USA, the richest, most modern, advanced nation in the world, that they could allow their own people to live....in 3rd world conditions. People are dying like flies from starvation, dehydration,..there is fear of typhoid and cholera from the standing filthy water and mosquitoes, people who need dire medications like insulin or dialysis treatments or blood who can't get any and are dying like flies.. ..they showed a man who had his own car and had to outrun carjackers to drive to Houston to be with his wife and terminally ill daughter who were evacuated by chopper to a hospital there, and he said that he saw horror stories like nothing you could imagine right here in the USA....women being dragged into abandoned destructed bulidings and being raped, people with cars being car jacked and killed. There have been snipers shooting at choppers and medivacs helicoptering out people from rooftops and hospitals. This makes Africa..and the Live 8 benefit seem like small potatoes. It is UNACCEPTABLE this is happening in the USA. |
| *3*Playful as a pussycat 02.09.2005 14:21 |
i personally think that the US is falling to pieces...no thanks to Bush! but for once, i wont lay all of the blame on him. i feel this has been coming for a while now....cant wait to get out of here. |
| Haystacks Calhoun 02.09.2005 15:20 |
It didn't take ling for Krizzzzzzzzzzzzzy to climb out from under her rock to slam Bush over a Hurricane..... The blame lies in building a city 10 feet UNDER sea level, the blame lies on the people running New Orleans, who, knowing that this could happen, did NOT make the evacuations MANDATORY. They knew Friday that this thing was coming right at them, yet they chose NOT to bus every soul out of the city. In fact, all day Saturday and Sunday, buses were leaving New Orleans EMPTY.... Why? Why did these folks now follow simple common sense? Why did the Mayor of New Orleans INSIST that everyone get out? Krizzy, in light of the thousands upon thousands of dead and injured, YOU SHOULD SIMPLY BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR ATTEMPTING TO MAKE THIS A POLITICAL ISSUE. You are worse than garbage. |
| Smitty 02.09.2005 15:42 |
The Mir@cle wrote: I think Bush is responsible for the lack of organisation.Bush isn't totally responsible for every single little thing that goes on in the US. Bush does not run rescue operations, Bush does not organize massive evacuations and so on. |
| bohemian 11513 02.09.2005 15:44 |
@Smittygecko: What is his job and his responsibility then... watch people dying, looting and raping in "God´s own country" and have a bbq for a couple of days??? So glad he wasn´t "on duty" when the Berlin Wall was build.... @Haystacks: Glad to see that YOU´ve survived the mess!!! Sorry to say, but I think there´s no more wrestling "down the Louisiana way" for ya in the near future... :-((( |
| Smitty 02.09.2005 15:44 |
Haystacks Calhoun wrote: It didn't take ling for Krizzzzzzzzzzzzzy to climb out from under her rock to slam Bush over a Hurricane..... The blame lies in building a city 10 feet UNDER sea level, the blame lies on the people running New Orleans, who, knowing that this could happen, did NOT make the evacuations MANDATORY. They knew Friday that this thing was coming right at them, yet they chose NOT to bus every soul out of the city. In fact, all day Saturday and Sunday, buses were leaving New Orleans EMPTY.... Why? Why did these folks now follow simple common sense? Why did the Mayor of New Orleans INSIST that everyone get out? Krizzy, in light of the thousands upon thousands of dead and injured, YOU SHOULD SIMPLY BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR ATTEMPTING TO MAKE THIS A POLITICAL ISSUE. You are worse than garbage.AGREED!! |
| Saint Jiub 02.09.2005 15:56 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: The truth of the matter is that all those billions spent on the war in Iraq could have been spent re-building New Orleans.Great ... New Orleans was built on below sea level wetlands ... and there are so-called pro-enviroment Democrats that want to rebuild on these wetlands. Hello? |
| teleman 02.09.2005 16:06 |
The Bush administration has made mistakes but what has happened in New Orleans has many contributing factors. I do think Bush should have been quicker off the mark on this but it is a complex situation. What is with people shooting at rescue helicopters? I just don't get the violence that has occurred. I hope things don't further deteriorate |
| bohemian 11513 02.09.2005 16:06 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: ...and there are so-called pro-enviroment Democrats that want to rebuild on these wetlands. Hello?Didn´t know that George Bush Jr. is a Democrat, even a so-called pro-enviroment Democrat... Thanx for the info Rip!!! |
| iron eagle 02.09.2005 18:15 |
|| News || September 01, 2005 Religious leader blames hurricane on gays An antigay activist group based in Philadelphia says that the disaster wrought by Hurricane Katrina reflects God's judgment on New Orleans for hosting the gay Southern Decadence party. In a statement issued Wednesday, Repent America described "homosexuals engaging in sex acts in the public streets" at the annual event, which draws some 125,000 revelers to the Big Easy each Labor Day weekend. "Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," said Repent America director Michael Marcavage. "May it never be the same." Marcavage is a notorious foe of gays. He and three other Repent America members were charged with felonies last year connected with a demonstration they staged at Philadelphia's gay pride observance. A judge dismissed all charges in February. The head of the predominantly gay Metropolitan Community Church responded to Marcavage's assessment of the tragedy. The Reverend Doctor Cindy Love said she doesn't believe God punishes anyone with natural disasters. "I really believe that the use of scripture in this way is an affront to the life and love of Jesus Christ," she said. (Sirius/OutQ) |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.09.2005 19:28 |
Krizzy wrote: READ THIS: link I hope that Bush-loving brainwashed teenager that supports that idiot of a president reads this too! Kriz >:o(Yep, I suppose you win. It's all Bush's fault. I have a runny nose. That's Bush's fault! He didn't approve enough money for better sneeze pills! Yesterday our school tennis team lost a match... It's Bush! It's because he's FAILING our public schools! And it's Bush's fault I had to travel an hour to get into the Aristocrats! Damn him! Let's see how many other things we can blame on him, if he controls the weather he must control EVERYTHING! Hey, Mr. President, how come The Law Firm got cancelled? No fair! |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.09.2005 19:29 |
<font color=#CC0066>Somebody To Love Me wrote: Hmm.. as a "Bush-loving brainwashed teenager" I think I'll stay out of this..Ooh, there's another one besides me. Howdy. :) |
| dragonzflame 02.09.2005 19:30 |
I'd have thought that the wealthiest superpower in the world would have had the resources to pay to evacuate everyone. But it certainly seems that, if the news reports are to be believed, that the people who stayed are the ones who couldn't afford to get out. Is it a coincidence that almost all of the people I've seen in TV news reports who were stuck there have been black? I'm stounded at the amount of money that is being directed to fighting a war that nobody can possibly win yet little seems to be being done about some of the most needy Americans. It's so true that disasters like that bring out either the best or the worst in people. I can't believe that the situation was allowed to deteriorate so far that people are actually shooting at emergency helicopters. This is quite the fucker of a world we live in. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.09.2005 19:34 |
dragonzflame wrote: I'm stounded at the amount of money that is being directed to fighting a war that nobody can possibly win yet little seems to be being done about some of the most needy <B> Americans </B>.(emphasis mine) Back when Hussein was in power, Iraq was like the anarchy occurring in the aftermath of Katrina EVER SINGLE DAY FOR 25 YEARS. Except it was Saddam-run and therefore not anarchy but a disturbingly well-run rape-and-torture machine. But of course, we shouldn't care about them because they're not Americans. |
| OgreBattleField1980 02.09.2005 20:06 |
Where is donald trump in all of this? Fidel Castro is sending Doctors from Cuba down to help they just said that on CNN |
| Mr.Jingles 02.09.2005 20:16 |
OgreBattleField1980 wrote: Where is donald trump in all of this? Fidel Castro is sending Doctors from Cuba down to help they just said that on CNNHas Donald Trump ever given a flying shit about anyone other than himself? No wonder why the guy names every single building he owns after himself. |
| *3*Playful as a pussycat 02.09.2005 23:14 |
i dont like him...he has too much money |
| iGSM 03.09.2005 01:18 |
Will New Orleans ever be liveable in again? Or is it dumpster city now? |
| inu-liger 03.09.2005 05:12 |
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| Winter Land Man 03.09.2005 06:50 |
It's gonna take a month or so (24 hours a day), of pumping water out of New Orleans back into the ocean. The water came in, over land, and since the land is below sea level and there is a barrier, they've got to pump it out. It's probably like a giant swamp down there at the moment! |
| Haystacks Calhoun 03.09.2005 09:16 |
iron eagle wrote: || News || September 01, 2005 Religious leader blames hurricane on gays An antigay activist group based in Philadelphia says that the disaster wrought by Hurricane Katrina reflects God's judgment on New Orleans for hosting the gay Southern Decadence party. In a statement issued Wednesday, Repent America described "homosexuals engaging in sex acts in the public streets" at the annual event, which draws some 125,000 revelers to the Big Easy each Labor Day weekend. "Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," said Repent America director Michael Marcavage. "May it never be the same." Marcavage is a notorious foe of gays. He and three other Repent America members were charged with felonies last year connected with a demonstration they staged at Philadelphia's gay pride observance. A judge dismissed all charges in February. The head of the predominantly gay Metropolitan Community Church responded to Marcavage's assessment of the tragedy. The Reverend Doctor Cindy Love said she doesn't believe God punishes anyone with natural disasters. "I really believe that the use of scripture in this way is an affront to the life and love of Jesus Christ," she said. (Sirius/OutQ)This person's thought proccesses are just as fucked up as Krizzys..... |
| OgreBattleField1980 03.09.2005 11:41 |
Ya thats kinda off the wall and totally off topic im sure. |
| doremi 03.09.2005 12:20 |
OgreBattleField1980 wrote: Where is donald trump in all of this? Fidel Castro is sending Doctors from Cuba down to help they just said that on CNNI agree. Almost every clebrity from the music and film and TV communities are making like million dollar donations and holding benefit concerts and such. But...where are the Donald Trumps, Leona Helmsleys, Hilton Dynasty (Paris' Father Nicky who is a billionaire), Bill Gates, Rupert Murdochs,...all the multi-BILLIONAIRES who could easil;y afford to help and donate money. .............Also.........The ''One Campaign'' started by Bob Geldof and...alot of music and film stars........IS involved and IS helping in this. ..........I am on the ''One Campaign's'' email newsletter list and this morning I received an email press release from actor George Clooney informing people how to donate funds, food, clothing, or volunteer through the American Red Cross. ....Taylorgaga and every one who thought the ''One Campaign'' was a one tine thing....even though I keep telling you all, it is an ongoing charity with a website,....it was not formed to only help out Africa........ ......The ''One Campaign'' helps out any nation in need from natural disaster's and war, and they ARE actively involved with helping the USA, and the victims of Hurricane Katrina. |
| Bob The Shrek 03.09.2005 14:01 |
Maybe Donald Trump, Bill Gates and other rich folks have donated money and don't wish to have it plastered all over the media. |
| Lisser 03.09.2005 18:52 |
Bob The Shrek wrote: Maybe Donald Trump, Bill Gates and other rich folks have donated money and don't wish to have it plastered all over the media.Not sure about Trump but I know that when Bill Gates gives, he always does it anonymously. Bob's right. |
| Smitty 03.09.2005 23:22 |
Bohemian<br><font size=1>777 wrote: @Smittygecko: What is his job and his responsibility then... watch people dying, looting and raping in "God´s own country" and have a bbq for a couple of days??? So glad he wasn´t "on duty" when the Berlin Wall was build....Do you think YOU could do a better job? and besides... YOU AREN'T EVEN FROM THE USA SO WHAT DO YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON EXCEPT FROM WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE SLANTED MEDIA (no offence to any people who work for a media organization and do not apply). But really!!?? I'm amazed. Look he is not down there because he has many other jobs to uphold. Do you think anybody in their right mind of power wold go down there when police officers are being taken out by snipers protecting people looting stores? Huh? You need to think before you speak and SHUT UP BEFORE YOU SAY SOMETHING STUPID!! |
| Tero 04.09.2005 04:28 |
Barry © wrote: The Islamic Raji's are now saying it was Allah that caused the hurricane and destruction in the U.S. I don't think Bush is guilty of anything here except not getting down there quicker and getting things done.You mean like some of the American minister's were saying about their god and the tsunami last Christmas? :P Bush might not be personally responsible this time, but he is the highest ranking government official, and as such people will vent their frustration on him anyway. |
| inu-liger 04.09.2005 05:37 |
Barry © wrote: The Islamic Raji's are now saying it was Allah that caused the hurricane and destruction in the U.S.Allah, God, it doesn't matter to me. We all have the same God (or "creator" if you will). And I personally believe, while I'll make it clear that I am NOT a religious person (despite my being baptized a Roman Catholic), that this is our God's punishment on the Americans for the Iraqi war |
| Bob The Shrek 04.09.2005 06:13 |
'And I personally believe, while I'll make it clear that I am NOT a religious person (despite my being baptized a Roman Catholic), that this is our God's punishment on the Americans for the Iraqi war' Brilliant - now, explain 'His' punishment on America when hurricanes batter the country and they are not at war.* * This is meant to highlight a rediculous statement and not intended to start another religious debate. |
| OgreBattleField1980 04.09.2005 06:40 |
ya lets not start a holy war ... ill never see how religion is the cause of this ... because not everyone here is for this war ... infact most of us unless insanely stupid are against the stupid thing. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 04.09.2005 09:42 |
Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote:So, God is punishing us for helping innocent Iraqis live in democracy without a brutal dictator?Barry © wrote: The Islamic Raji's are now saying it was Allah that caused the hurricane and destruction in the U.S.Allah, God, it doesn't matter to me. We all have the same God (or "creator" if you will). And I personally believe, while I'll make it clear that I am NOT a religious person (despite my being baptized a Roman Catholic), that this is our God's punishment on the Americans for the Iraqi war |
| Bobby_brown 04.09.2005 10:06 |
Every time something bad happens in America people talk about Iraq and Bush trying to proove something, conecting facts that doesn't have anything to do with each other, etc. When we want to say bad things it's easy, just wait for an oportunuty, even if it sounds stupid. I´m not Bush's biggest fan, but to blame him for this terrible situation just doesn't sound good! No one could predict such a thing, this exceeded probably their worst expectations! He's not coordinating the resque teams, and as you saw, the city was under water so you have to make new plans, because in America this is not the kind of thing you deal every year. As for the people left behind (black people, poor people, white people) this is not only a Federal issue, it's everyone's issue. It shows that people in general doesn't guive a fuck about each others- Is this Bush's fault? And by the way, black people in New Orleans should think why they were left behind too, i don't like the pitty thing, racism victims speech (even though in America there's a lot of racism). I think it's about time black people start to live in comunity with white people, but in some cases they like to be left alone in their neighbourhoods, interacting with the white people just for the crime, like a revenge thing. Hate leads to hate! And when you have people that have already raped and stolen and killed last week, perhaps you get an idea of why they are being marginalised!- Because if you're telling me that of all those 100.000 thousand people left behind didn't have a friend that could guive them a lift out of town, then i thing they should re-think their situiation in modern society. I'm talking for me now, in my area here in Portugal there's a lot of Black people and poor people (black and white), and if something like this happened we would save the ones we cared about, but one thing i tell you, we woulodn't care less of some black comunities that live in neighbours and like to say with all authority "Our neighbour is so bad that not even cops can get in"- They have choosen their role in society and one day society will guive back to them the same thing they guive to others- It´s a Universal law! This is a New Era coming, our mother earth is transmuting energies to achieve a new equilibrium point. Now, Texas are guiving the New Orleans a place for them to stay for the next 3 months. Why didn't they've done it a week ago?- Probably because they never thought that something of this scale could have happened. And for the survivers, do you think that all of them wanted to leave in the first place? Of course now everybody feels abandoned but a week ago the CNN news reported this guys goin to the stadium as the ones that didn't have anywhere to go, and people that simply didn't wanted to leave the town. And one last think, when i see an American speack against war, i don't know what to think, because Bush has guiven Americans what they wanted. After 9/11 the American people were consulted and the majority of them thought that Bush was taken too much time to react to the atacks. He had to do something, and it´s easier for us to talk after the events, and express our opinion, because now we can say that the war was a bad move. But before it happened someone has to make some dificult dicisions, and don't forget that he won the second time for president after stating that the war on terrorism was to continue. Now, Americans don't like him? -Guive me a breack!!! Take care |
| rachael mae. 04.09.2005 13:15 |
*applause* It's about time everyone stopped blaming Bush, the man isn't responsible for natural disasters and absolutely everything that happens to his country.. |
| Lisser 04.09.2005 13:29 |
Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote:Inu--delete this post just like the other ones you post and then realize its poop. This ranks high among the most ridiculous. There are many but all the same...this is ridiculous.Barry © wrote: The Islamic Raji's are now saying it was Allah that caused the hurricane and destruction in the U.S.Allah, God, it doesn't matter to me. We all have the same God (or "creator" if you will). And I personally believe, while I'll make it clear that I am NOT a religious person (despite my being baptized a Roman Catholic), that this is our God's punishment on the Americans for the Iraqi war |
| inu-liger 04.09.2005 15:16 |
Lisser wrote:I refuse.Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote:Inu--delete this post just like the other ones you post and then realize its poop. This ranks high among the most ridiculous. There are many but all the same...this is ridiculous.Barry © wrote: The Islamic Raji's are now saying it was Allah that caused the hurricane and destruction in the U.S.Allah, God, it doesn't matter to me. We all have the same God (or "creator" if you will). And I personally believe, while I'll make it clear that I am NOT a religious person (despite my being baptized a Roman Catholic), that this is our God's punishment on the Americans for the Iraqi war I have a right to talk about what I *believe*, not what I *think* is hard fact. It's more or less like an opinion. Otherwise, BPP should've shut up about Queen and Paul Rodgers in the first place if that's the case. |
| Bob The Shrek 04.09.2005 16:01 |
It's everyone's right to have an opinion but when you ignore certain hard facts, it is no longer an opinion but a bucket full of shit. |
| inu-liger 04.09.2005 17:43 |
Right |
| Mr.Jingles 04.09.2005 18:12 |
Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote:Richard, you criticize SaraJane (FreddiesGhettoTrench) for making stupid posts, but the truth of the matter is that posts like the one you just made are even more idiotic nonsense as the ones she makes.Barry © wrote: The Islamic Raji's are now saying it was Allah that caused the hurricane and destruction in the U.S.Allah, God, it doesn't matter to me. We all have the same God (or "creator" if you will). And I personally believe, while I'll make it clear that I am NOT a religious person (despite my being baptized a Roman Catholic), that this is our God's punishment on the Americans for the Iraqi war You could blame it on global warming, or say that U.S. troops should be aiding victims and restoring the order in the area of disaster, but saying that God wanted innocent people to pay for the mistakes of some dumb politicians is just idiotic. |
| deleted user 04.09.2005 19:15 |
ok plain and simple:- 1-IT IS A HURRICANE! -Hurricanes are natural disaters, they form out at sea and have a trend of getting stronger as tehy get closer to land and genreally lose power once over land. Can cause a great deal of damage and large scale flooding depending on the terrain and location. 2-ITS NOT AN ACT OF GOD FOR A WAR! -the fact that hurricanes happen so often during the summer months otherwise known as hurricane season, they cant always be for a particular reason such as a war. these are natural disaters and cannot be prevented. 3-BUSH DOES NOT CONTROL THE WEATHER! President Bush or anyone else in fact does not and cannot control the weather over there beloved country. They can however can control how quick aid and emrgancy personal get into the area of disaster. 4-THE REAL REASON FOR HURRICANE KATRINA TAKING A HEAVY TOLL IS... -Flood barriers which were sopposably meant to be funded had its costs sent to Iraq instead. so these defences were never put in place. So due to the large scale flooding many roads in and out of the city were flooded and therefore trapping people in and out of the city of NEw Orleans. This also along with the igh force winds caused power grids to be knocked out. This caused large scale fear and rioting as it were in the city. Thus leading to more fires, rape and violence that is not needed. But at night cos of the power shortage and flooding many thousands are sheltered in a scary environemnt of pure darkness which the unexpected can happen. Many are now in the state of fending for tehmselves as evacuations out of some places have been halted. And Many believe since they have lost everything, the way to get it back, is by killing and stealing other peoples belongings while raping the odd one or two 7 yrs olds. That is the eepalnations of the hurricane now lets pleaseSTOP THE PATHETIC EXCUSES AND BELIEFS! ITS A NATURAL DISASTER AND WE ARE FIGHTING OVER SILLY REASONS! THINK OF THOSE OVER THERE FOR A CHANGE INSTEAD OF FIGHTING ABOUT IT! my rants over |
| dragonzflame 04.09.2005 23:41 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:I have said many times that I did not support Saddam's regime but nor do I support the war on terror. Of course I care about people outside of America and the rest of the world. I'm not American. What I meant was that I'm disgusted that the US has all these people, like the National Guard, in Iraq yet is failing to take care of its own people in their time of disaster. The situation in Iraq is man-made and was preventable, the situation in New Orleans was a natural disaster and the people deserve better than what they've been getting.dragonzflame wrote: I'm stounded at the amount of money that is being directed to fighting a war that nobody can possibly win yet little seems to be being done about some of the most needy <B> Americans </B>.(emphasis mine) Back when Hussein was in power, Iraq was like the anarchy occurring in the aftermath of Katrina EVER SINGLE DAY FOR 25 YEARS. Except it was Saddam-run and therefore not anarchy but a disturbingly well-run rape-and-torture machine. But of course, we shouldn't care about them because they're not Americans. |
| Victoria 05.09.2005 03:21 |
No, Bush does not control the weather. We all understand that, so please stop harping on that. -------------------------------------------------------- If he did control the weather, that would make him God. And if he had a brain with sense to protect and provide resources and honor for his own people, that would make him Franklin D. Roosevelt. |
| Victoria 05.09.2005 03:21 |
Double post, cause it jumped on me ... into the middle of the page ... :S |
| spymyshadow 05.09.2005 10:10 |
Who's there for a change? The few I heard of are risking their lives because their trying to put a stop to the tide of violence and crime. |
| deleted user 05.09.2005 11:04 |
i hate it when the boards fuck up like this, everything in the wrong order :S >( |
| Serry... 05.09.2005 11:50 |
Every President must think about citizens of his own country firstly. And after it about people of Iraq, Albania etc. If you can't defend your own country - don't try to bring your political system to others. If you put all your money into 'democracy for all' instead of building something what would help to stop dangerous weather factors... Well... I could never imagine that such powerful and rich country as USA would ask for the help to my country, especially after all these years of cold war, but now it's happened. |
| john bodega 05.09.2005 14:08 |
I am not casting aspersions on his ability as a president when I say that Bush is an idiot. It doesn't matter if he's the right man for the job or whatever, but I truly think that this guy is a little under-equipped in the head. Just look at that fotie of him having a great time playing guitar right about the same time that the hurricane was initiating beatdown on the Gulf. Absolutely horrifying. Now there's people shooting at each other... this is a bad situation. I'm not a praying man so there's not a lot for me to do other than watch and wait, and hope that things turn out for the better. Oh. And donate. |
| iron eagle 05.09.2005 15:29 |
Army Corps funding Staff members for Louisiana congressional representatives of both parties agreed in interviews last week that the Army Corps' budget in Louisiana had been underfunded in recent years. "We've always gotten money - not in the requested amounts - and in recent years it's been because of budget constraints. The budget's been stretched in many ways," said Melanie Roussell, a spokeswoman for Rep. William J. Jefferson, a Democrat whose district includes New Orleans. Chris Paolino, a spokesman for Rep. Bobby Jindal, a Republican whose district lies just north of New Orleans, said underfunding of Army Corps projects stretched back several decades. "There's been a sense that this is a Louisiana problem, when of course there are national implications," he said. "It hasn't been the national priority it should have been." Army Corps commander Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock said last week that the uncompleted levee-improvement projects could not be linked to the levee failures. The areas that were breached were at "full project design and were not going to be improved," Strock told reporters in a conference call. "We were just caught by a storm of an intensity which exceeded the design of the [flood protection] project we have in place." While attention has been focused on the failure of the city's last line of defense, the levees, others are pointing to the deterioration of the area's outer rim of protection against gulf storms: Louisiana's coastal marshes and barrier beaches. Upriver development and flood-control projects have cut off the flow of river sediments that built the Mississippi delta region to 3.6 million acres over the last 7,000 years. The decision to maintain the river's current path rather than letting it drift westward - done to sustain river commerce in New Orleans and its environs - prevents the broader distribution of sediments. Marshland has also been affected by oil and gas exploration, which, by carving access channels through the marshlands, exposes it to greater erosion. With normal erosion at the delta's edges now outstripping new soil deposition, more than a million acres of coastal wetlands have disappeared since 1930 - roughly the size of Rhode Island - and another 300,000 acres are expected to vanish by 2050 if nothing is done. "These wetlands and barrier islands serve as a natural hurricane protection system," said Scot Faber, a spokesman for Environmental Defense, a New York-based environmental group. "New Orleans will not be safe from another disaster like Hurricane Katrina until we begin to restore this natural hurricane buffer." The Army Corps and the state of Louisiana are developing ambitious plans to divert river water, and the sediment that goes with it, to help rebuild the marshes and the vanishing barrier islands. There is even talk of transferring dredged sediment from upriver to build up the vanishing delta. The project would be very costly - an estimated $14 billion, or more than the huge Everglades restoration project. So far, pilot projects for freshwater diversions and island restoration have been funded at only $50 million per year. But Bahr, the Louisiana coastal official, said it was possible that last week's disaster would build support for such a large investment. After all, the $14 billion price tag doesn't look as big when held against the damage wrought by a single storm like Katrina. "One side of this tragedy is that the nation is now going to be forced to come to grips with this, the magnitude of this," he said. "Some of us have said in the long run it's going to take a catastrophe to get people to pay attention at the level it is called for ... This is going to get the attention we needed for a long time." **As the dust settles and the emotions calm the truth always comes out*** |
| Haystacks Calhoun 05.09.2005 15:33 |
How exactly do you defend yourself? The part of the levee that failed was, by far, the STRONGEST PART! The problem lies in the people that flatly REFUSED to leave. No one can tell me "Well, they didn't have a way out". Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. If you had told those same people on Thursday that Aunt Meg was getting married in Jackson or Baton Rouge on Sunday, how many would have made it there SOMEHOW? The tradegy has a number of factors, one being the sheer idiocy of the 70 IQ folks who stayed, who were warned repeatedly to get out, the "Cry Wolf" syndrome, meaning some people didn't think that it would turn out this way, in spite of ALL the warnings that if a storm just like this one hit, that the city would be inundated..... The problem also lies in the fact that, with no communications, the levees broke nearly 24 hours AFTER the hurricane came through, when all of the media was rejoicing how "New Orleans has been spared"..... How, exactly, should this have been done? First, and foremost, the people, simply put, should have left. Those who wish to blame the Government are complete idiots. They did all that they could before the storm to get the people out, but these people that didn't leave are the ones who DEPEND on the GOVERNMENT for EVERYTHING in their lives, their food, their "Check" at the first of every month....you get the picture. Government welfare idiots who, with ample worning, refused to leave, and paid the price. How is that the Governments fault again? |
| Mr.Jingles 05.09.2005 16:18 |
There's a very small partial blame on the people, but what the Bush administration did was far worse. People living in the gulf of Mexico and the Florida peninsula are so used to tropical storms and hurricaines with a limited amount of destruction that many of them thought that Katrina would be their common kind of hurricaine, but it wasn't. A few days before hurricaine Katrina hit New Orleans and its surrounding area, meteoroligists found that the strength of the hurricaine had increased to it's highest (Category 5). By then, the order was to evacuate the city and those who could did, while some others who tried to evacuate got stuck in a chaotic traffic jam that forced them to remain and hope for the worst not to happen. Also keep in mind that New Orleans is a city with high levels of poverty, and many of those who wished to leave had nowhere to go or enough money to leave the city. The response of the government was nothing but shameful and absolutely negligent. Knowing the strength of the Hurricaine days before hitting the coast, the governemt should have prepared the National Guard to arrive as soon as the hurricaine had left the zone of destruction. But how long did it take them to arrive? 5 DAYS!! YES, 5 GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKIN' DAYS where thousands of lives could have been saved. This wasn't an earthquake or a terrorist attack which couldn't have been predicted. This was a hurricaine that was predicted to happen days in advance. 2 or 3 days are more than enough to gather aid forces ready to leave as soon as disaster strikes. So by the time they arrived chaos had already erupted and those who needed to be aided within hours, saw death come a lot sooner. |
| Maz 05.09.2005 16:49 |
Haystacks Calhoun wrote: Those who wish to blame the Government are complete idiots. They did all that they could before the storm to get the people out, but these people that didn't leave are the ones who DEPEND on the GOVERNMENT for EVERYTHING in their lives, their food, their "Check" at the first of every month....you get the picture. Government welfare idiots who, with ample worning, refused to leave, and paid the price.Us and them. Such a simple way to view the world. Us - the intelligent folk who (hindsight being 20/20) saw the disaster coming, who work hard at our lives, and who love our family enough to get out of harm's way. Them - welfare loving, lazy idiots, too stupid to leave all of their worldly possessions behind. The hidden strain in your post is that somehow these people deserved what they got. There is a reason that the poor, irrespective of color or race, gets hit hard during disasters. You seem to blame it on their reliance on the government to fulfill their needs, which is closely tied to their IQ. How many intelligent, God-fearing, anti-welfare rich folk continue to build their luxury homes on fault lines in California? How many bedroom communities with golf courses on every block continue to spring up near forests ripe for wildfires? The simple fact is that human nature is to blame, irrespective of color, race, IQ, class, or politics. You say Krizzy is ''worse than garbage'' for making this a poltical issue, yet you are doing the same thing by blaming ''Welfare Queens'' for the extent of the tragedy. |
| dragonzflame 05.09.2005 18:16 |
Great post. |
| Mr.Jingles 05.09.2005 18:20 |
It seems like some people consider intelligence and class something that comes along with race or social status. |
| iron eagle 05.09.2005 19:14 |
I refuse.
I have a right to talk about what I *believe*, not what I *think* is hard fact. It's more or less like an opinion.
Otherwise, BPP should've shut up about Queen and Paul Rodgers in the first place if that's the case.
Boy its been a loooooong time since i had to say this...... NIMROD NIMROD NIMROD....... please go to your corner and dont come out until i tell you too dang...and you were doing soooo good there for a while... |
| Saint Jiub 05.09.2005 22:12 |
link Louisiana Senators thanked Bush. In frustration, the New Orleans mayor and Louisiana governor, played hard and loose with the facts. As illustrated in this link, there was more federal aid than the Brain-washed far-left Democrats would lead one to believe. Typical Democrats, with no decent ideas of their own, all they can manage is to bash Bush. |
| Saint Jiub 05.09.2005 22:54 |
As of Tuesday, less than 24 hours after the storm had passed over the area, this represented the federal response to date to the disaster. Here are some highlights: FEMA deployed 23 Disaster Medical Assistance Teams from all across the U.S. to staging areas in Alabama, Tennessee, Texas, and Louisiana and is now moving them into impacted areas. Seven Urban Search and Rescue task forces and two Incident Support Teams have been deployed and propositioned in Shreveport, La., and Jackson, Miss., including teams from Florida, Indiana, Ohio, Maryland, Missouri, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. Three more Urban Search and Rescue teams are in the process of deployment. FEMA is moving supplies and equipment into the hardest hit areas as quickly as possible, especially water, ice, meals, medical supplies, generators, tents, and tarps. The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) dispatched more than 390 trucks that are beginning to deliver millions of meals ready to eat, millions of liters of water, tarps, millions of pounds of ice, mobile homes, generators, containers of disaster supplies, and forklifts to flood damaged areas. DOT has helicopters and a plane assisting delivery of essential supplies. The National Guard of the four most heavily impacted states are providing support to civil authorities as well as generator, medical and shelter with approximately 7,500 troops on State Active Duty. The National Guard is augmenting civilian law enforcement capacity; not acting in lieu of it. |
| OgreBattleField1980 05.09.2005 23:03 |
Ok .. this topic just needs to drop off the planet now ... granted ..its an on going story ... but i think its safe to say that they can start rebuilding now ... |
| Mr.Jingles 06.09.2005 07:15 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: link Louisiana Senators thanked Bush. In frustration, the New Orleans mayor and Louisiana governor, played hard and loose with the facts. As illustrated in this link, there was more federal aid than the Brain-washed far-left Democrats would lead one to believe. Typical Democrats, with no decent ideas of their own, all they can manage is to bash Bush.In a natural disaster of this kind the help initially sent was NOT ENOUGH. When you have a city covered by water on its 80%, it calls out to send as much aid as possible within hours, not days. After all, Bush wasn't criticized by only Democrats but Republicans as well for not responding quick enough to the emergency. link The truth of the matter is that by now is too late to play the blame game. The only thing we can do as individuals is send our own donations and hope that the rescue and relief teams have everything they need to aid the victims. |
| The Mir@cle 06.09.2005 07:22 |
So true Jingles. I think they even should have send aid before this disaster happened. People knew what could possible happen there, days before. There was time to evacuate lots off people. And they should have been prepared to give aid immediately after Katrina reached land. |
| Mr.Jingles 06.09.2005 07:28 |
As I mentioned before this wasn't a disaster that came without a warning. Days in advance everybody knew that it was going to become a category 5 hurricaine that was going to leave everything in its path in nearly complete destruction and total chaos. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 06.09.2005 07:45 |
Serry... wrote: Every President must think about citizens of his own country firstly. And after it about people of Iraq, Albania etc. If you can't defend your own country - don't try to bring your political system to others. If you put all your money into 'democracy for all' instead of building something what would help to stop dangerous weather factors... Well...And then that other country flies planes into your country's landmarks. So how does that work out? |
| Serry... 06.09.2005 07:49 |
I'm not gonna discuss with you about Mr Bush and his politic, you don't hear reasons that me and other persons talk to you. I think you need to find political forum instead of music's for sharing your thoughts, we're not good enough to understand them. |
| The Mir@cle 06.09.2005 07:52 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:Yes... you're right FreddiesGhettoTrench. It's good they let all the people die in New Orleans. If they would have helped the people within a few hours, there would have been several plane crashes all over the US, due to Al Qaeda. Viva Bush!!!Serry... wrote: Every President must think about citizens of his own country firstly. And after it about people of Iraq, Albania etc. If you can't defend your own country - don't try to bring your political system to others. If you put all your money into 'democracy for all' instead of building something what would help to stop dangerous weather factors... Well...And then that other country flies planes into your country's landmarks. So how does that work out? |
| Saint Jiub 06.09.2005 08:31 |
"In a sign of the political pressure facing Bush, Mississippi Republican Sen. Trent Lott (news, bio, voting record), a former Senate majority leader, said he has been battling the Federal Emergency Management Agency and its Mississippi counterpart for help for his state and urged Bush to cut red tape." The Democrats would have done so much better as they never have trouble with red tape. Miracle - did you read my link? There was preparation, and there was aid given - Are miracles to be expected when a whole city is flooded and police and firefighters are partakers in the looting? Jingles - The Hurricane hit Monday morning - New Orleans was not 80% flooded until Tuesday night. |
| Mr.Jingles 06.09.2005 08:59 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: The Democrats would have done so much better as they never have trouble with red tape.All politicians share the blame for their incompetence to respond to this disaster. They're the ones who didn't respond quick enough to this emergency and they're the ones who cut the budget of FEMA and other emergency organizations when this is a country commonly hit by hurricaines, tornadoes and earthquakes. Why put the blame only on the Democrats? Oh, and this comes from someone who calls others "brainwashed". Pleeeeaase!! Rip Van Winkle wrote: Miracle - did you read my link? There was preparation, and there was aid given - Are miracles to be expected when a whole city is flooded and police and firefighters are partakers in the looting?Sure, there was local aid, but with a disaster of such magnitude do you truly think these poor rescue workers, paramedics, nurses, firefighters, and cops have ENOUGH help to aid a whole city in chaos? As I mentioned many times before this was a national emergency predicted to happen days in advance. Aid from the Federal government should have arrived withing hours, and not 5 days. Rip Van Winkle wrote: Jingles - The Hurricane hit Monday morning - New Orleans was not 80% flooded until Tuesday night.And what difference does that make? The city eventually was flooded in its majority. Just because some people had more time to flee or climb trees and rooftops doesn't mean that they're going to be safe. In an emergency like this the lives of hundreds (perhaps thousands) hang on a thread that could break in a matter of minutes. |
| great king rat 1138 06.09.2005 09:12 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:Hang on, I wasn't aware that any 'country' had flown planes into anything. Or is that something being hidden from us here in Britain by our supposedly 'biased, left wing media.' Although seeing as a large proportion of our media is still owned by Rupert Murdoch, I don't think 'left-wing' is a particularly accurate description!Serry... wrote: Every President must think about citizens of his own country firstly. And after it about people of Iraq, Albania etc. If you can't defend your own country - don't try to bring your political system to others. If you put all your money into 'democracy for all' instead of building something what would help to stop dangerous weather factors... Well...And then that other country flies planes into your country's landmarks. So how does that work out? Try getting your facts straight next time kiddo. |
| Haystacks Calhoun 06.09.2005 10:04 |
The same paper that called for the firing of everyone at FEMA is the SAME paper that, on July 24th, 7 weeks before the storm, told people that in this exact scenario, that they were ONE THEIR OWN to get out.... The dependency of government, expecially in these areas, is appalling. However, that said, if there is a failure on the part of gevernment, it rests solely on the shoulders of the local and state folks. Mayor Ray Nagin waited until 24 HOURS before the storm to sound the mandatory evacuation, not George Bush. The criminals shooting at the rescuers kept the buses out of New Orleans for a full 24 hours, as they wouldn't send the buses unless equipped with ARMED GUARDS, not George Bush. The 145 RTA buses, parked less that ONE MILE from the Superdome, not used to evacuate 9,000 people in one trip, but left there to flood is George Bushes fault too, I presume? What about the 200 yellow school buses under water, yup. 200 x 50? 10,000 people, who could have been moved out of harms way by the local authorities? Nah, blame George. Sickening.... By the way, it is not an "Us versus Them" situation, as some here would like you to believe. It is a matter of being personally responsible, or depending on Government to do everything for you..... Sadly, personal responsibility is something that, in this world, is sorely lacking. WHen you point the finger at someone else, there are three more pointing at you.... But that is probably Bush's fault, too...... |
| Haystacks Calhoun 06.09.2005 11:40 |
Before residents had ever heard the words "Hurricane Katrina," the New Orleans TIMES-PICAYUNE ran a story warning residents: If you stay behind during a big storm, you'll be on your own! Editors at TIMES-PICAYUNE on Monday called for every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency to be fired. In an open letter to President Bush, the paper said: "Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That's to the government's shame." But the TIMES-PICAYUNE published a story on July 24, 2005 stating: City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give a historically blunt message: "In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own." Staff writer Bruce Nolan reported some 7 weeks before Katrina: "In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation." "In the video, made by the anti-poverty agency Total Community Action, they urge those people to make arrangements now by finding their own ways to leave the city in the event of an evacuation. "You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you," Wilkins said in an interview. "If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you." THAT IS FROM THE LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS, FOLKS. Don't let these loony liberals deceive you yet again. It is partisan politics at it's worst.... Trying to make political hay out of this immense tragedy. Absolutely revolting, and shows the true colors of the left. |
| Haystacks Calhoun 06.09.2005 11:41 |
Not much traction with the abuse September 6, 2005 George W. finally gets it -- in more ways than one. The tardy president was back on the Gulf Coast yesterday, bucking up the spirits of the damned and stiffening the resolve of the slackers. He's getting it as well from his critics, many of whom can't believe their great good luck, that a hurricane, of all things, finally gives them the opening they've been waiting for to heap calumny and scorn on him for something that might get a little traction. Cindy Sheehan is yesterday's news; she couldn't attract a camera crew this morning if she stripped down to her step-ins for a march on Prairie Chapel Ranch. The vultures of the venomous left are attacking on two fronts, first that the president didn't do what the incompetent mayor of New Orleans and the pouty governor of Louisiana should have done, and didn't, in the early hours after Katrina loosed the deluge on the city that care and good judgment forgot. Ray Nagin, the mayor, ordered a "mandatory" evacuation a day late, but kept the city's 2,000 school buses parked and locked in neat rows when there was still time to take the refugees to higher ground. The bright-yellow buses sit ruined now in four feet of dirty water. Then the governor, Kathleen Blanco, resisted early pleas to declare martial law, and her dithering opened the way for looters, rapists and killers to make New Orleans an unholy hell. Gov. Haley Barbour did not hesitate in neighboring Mississippi, and looters, rapists and killers have not turned the streets of Gulfport and Biloxi into killing fields. The drumbeat of partisan ingratitude continues even after the president flooded the city with National Guardsmen from a dozen states, paratroopers from Fort Bragg and Marines from the Atlantic and the Pacific. The flutter and chatter of the helicopters above the ghostly abandoned city, some of them from as far away as Singapore and averaging 240 missions a day, is eerily reminiscent of the last days of Saigon. Nevertheless, Sen. Mary Landrieu, who seems to think she's cute when she's mad, even threatened on national television to punch out the president -- a felony, by the way, even as a threat. Mayor Nagin, who you might think would be looking for a place to hide, and Gov. Blanco, nursing a bigtime snit, can't find the right word of thanks to a nation pouring out its heart and emptying its pockets. Maybe the senator should consider punching out the governor, only a misdemeanor. The race hustlers waited for three days to inflame a tense situation, but then set to work with their usual dedication. The Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, our self-appointed twin ambassadors of ill will, made the scene as soon as they could, taking up the coded cry that Katrina was the work of white folks, that a shortage of white looters and snipers made looting and sniping look like black crime, that calling the refugees "refugees" was an act of linguistic racism. A "civil rights activist" on Arianna Huffington's celebrity blog even floated the rumor that the starving folks abandoned in New Orleans had been forced to eat their dead -- after only four days. New Orleans has a reputation for its unusual cuisine, but this tale was so tall that nobody paid it much attention. Neither did anyone tell the tale-bearer to put a dirty sock in it. Condi Rice went to the scene to say what everyone can see for himself, that no one but the race hustlers imagine Americans of any hue attaching strings to the humanitarian aid pouring into the broken and bruised cities of the Gulf. Most of the suffering faces in the flickering television images are black, true enough, and most of the helping hands are white. Black and white churches of all denominations across a wide swath of the South stretching from Texas across Arkansas and Louisiana into Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama and Georgia turned their Sunday schools |
| Krizzy 06.09.2005 11:56 |
One day the WHOLE truth about what Bush knew and didn't know will come out and then any A-hole who calls me a nutcase will be to busy kicking themself to argue...hey it may even happen sooner if you start being blind little sheep and think for yourselves. |
| Krizzy 06.09.2005 12:07 |
Id also like to thank Zeni and Mr. Jingles for defending me against the moron named Haystacks Calhoun...you sir need to WAKE UP! |
| Haystacks Calhoun 06.09.2005 12:22 |
Krizzy wrote: One day the WHOLE truth about what Bush knew and didn't know will come out and then any A-hole who calls me a nutcase will be to busy kicking themself to argue...hey it may even happen sooner if you start being blind little sheep and think for yourselves.Shut up, you idiot. Check this out from 2002... LEFT BEHIND Once it’s certain a major storm is about to hit, evacuation offers the best chance for survival. But for those who wait, getting out will become nearly impossible as the few routes out of town grow hopelessly clogged. And 100,000 people without transportation will be especially threatened. By John McQuaid and Mark Schleifstein Staff writers A flooded underpass on I-10 westbound near the Orleans/Jefferson parish line was a critical choke point during Tropical Storm Frances. (FILE PHOTO BY ALEX BRANDON / The Times-Picayune) CLICK FOR LARGER IMAGE Hurricane evacuations rarely go as planned. Storm tracks are hard to predict, and roads are not designed to handle the traffic flow, so huge traffic jams are a common result. In 1998 it took six hours for people leaving the New Orleans area in advance of Hurricane Georges to reach Baton Rouge, 80 miles away. The following year, Hurricane Floyd’s constantly changing course spurred evacuations and bumper-to-bumper traffic on highways from Florida to North Carolina. Moving entire populations out of harm’s way is a time-consuming and unpredictable operation complicated by geography, demographics, human psychology, the limits of weather forecasting, and transportation problems that tie many cities in knots even in perfect weather. Like every coastal area vulnerable to hurricanes, south Louisiana faces these challenges. But the Louisiana delta also has it worse than other coastal areas. Because the entire region is susceptible to storm-surge flooding, hurricanes pose more danger to those left behind than in places where the coastal profile is higher. *****"Evacuation is what’s necessary: evacuation, evacuation, evacuation," Jefferson Parish Emergency Preparedness Director Walter Maestri said. "We anticipate that (even) with refuges of last resort in place, some 5 (percent) to 10 percent of the individuals who remain in the face of catastrophic storms are going to lose their lives."******* The region’s sinking coast and rising flood risk also make the task of getting people out harder than it is elsewhere. South Louisiana presents some of the most daunting evacuation problems in the United States because: The region’s large population, including more than 1 million people in the New Orleans area, requires a 72- to 84-hour window for evacuation, well ahead of the time that forecasters can accurately predict a storm’s track and strength. Few north-south escape routes exist to move residents away from the coast, and many of those include low-lying sections that can flood days before a hurricane makes landfall. Evacuees must travel more than 80 miles to reach high ground, meaning more cars on the highways for a longer time as the storm approaches. A large population of low-income residents do not own cars and would have to depend on an untested emergency public transportation system to evacuate them. Much of the area is below sea level and vulnerable to catastrophic flooding. Based on the danger to refugees and workers, the Red Cross has decided not to operate shelters south of the Interstate 10-Interstate 12 corridor, leaving refuges of last resort that offer only minimal protection and no food or bedding. The risk of dying is so high that trying to ride out a storm is foolish, emergency managers say. Yet for various reasons, many people do not leave. In New Orleans, many residents don’t own cars. Some are unaware of the danger. Some think they can judge it for themselves. About 44 percent of Orleans residents and 52 percent of Jefferson residents ev |
| doremi 06.09.2005 12:28 |
Krizzy wrote: One day the WHOLE truth about what Bush knew and didn't know will come out and then any A-hole who calls me a nutcase will be to busy kicking themself to argue...hey it may even happen sooner if you start being blind little sheep and think for yourselves.Krizzy...first I want to make clear to all on QZ... 1) This was in fact a natural disaster. It was not Bush's fault. 2) It was NOT God's or Allah's or any God's (if there is a God and which ever one you pray to) will. It was just nature, like it has been for gazillion's of years. 3) However....what WAS Bush's fault and also the fault of the past several administrations, was NOT heading the facts and pleas of the Louisiana's meteorologists, weather monitors, engineers, developers, and legislators...who KNEW that the century old levys were FAR outdated and needed updating/restructuring to PREVENT a catastrophe such as this, and repeatedly requested funding and were repeatedly DENIED and told there was no ''budget''. 4) What Bush and the past administrations are also responsible for (including at this year's 2005 G8 Summir..was repeatedly being asked by other nations to take measures to reduce and STOP global warming to prevent..something like thus hurricane...and far worse that can and WILL continue to happen if measures are not put into effective place...NOW..and again, Bash said NO! 5) Bush's and the US government's response time was rediculous. I've seen snails that were faster. If a war had been declared overnight, like WW2 after Pearl Harbor say, you can bet you ass, that within 24 hours, 20 times the military personnel, security personnel, medical personnel, water, food, medical supplies, and evacuations necessary would have been done ASAP!!!!!! without pause ot hesitation. 6) I do put alot of blame on the residents..AFTER the storm hit. While most that stayed in New Orleans did so because they were too poor and had no vehicles to get out, once and AFTER the storm hit, I agree that people, rather than acting like savages in ''Lord Of The Flies'', raping, pillaging, looting for electronics (NOT foof/water), and ESPECIALLY.......shooting the rescue personnel, medical personnel trying to HELP THEM was F**KING absurd. They should have stuck together as people DID do durin say, 911, and tried to help one another and not acted like it was the stone age, ''let's go and kill for thrill.'' 7) Alot of finger poiting is going on and deservedly so...and in end...alot of innocent and NOT innocent people are suffering or dying and in the end...it is BOTH heart wrenching and disgusting at the same time. My heart goes out for many while others have only my disdain. This is the first 2 sided catastrophe I have ever seen in the USA. There are BOTH innocent victims and gukity idiots....a very complex and dismaying chapter in America's history....which I hope people LEARN from and is NEVER...repeated. |
| Bob The Shrek 06.09.2005 12:59 |
'5) Bush's and the US government's response time was rediculous. I've seen snails that were faster. If a war had been declared overnight, like WW2 after Pearl Harbor say, you can bet you ass, that within 24 hours, 20 times the military personnel, security personnel, medical personnel, water, food, medical supplies, and evacuations necessary would have been done ASAP!!!!!! without pause ot hesitation.' WW2 started on 1st September 1939, you were 2 years late in joining in. |
| doremi 06.09.2005 13:21 |
Bob The Shrek wrote: '5) Bush's and the US government's response time was rediculous. I've seen snails that were faster. If a war had been declared overnight, like WW2 after Pearl Harbor say, you can bet you ass, that within 24 hours, 20 times the military personnel, security personnel, medical personnel, water, food, medical supplies, and evacuations necessary would have been done ASAP!!!!!! without pause ot hesitation.' WW2 started on 1st September 1939, you were 2 years late in joining in.I am referring to when the USA declared war on the Axis powers, and enacted in congress for the USA ro be involved IN WW2..AFTER being attacked the day of Pearl Harbor. We wer'ent ''Late''. We were not yet involved and were trying to stay out of that war, until we were under personal attack. Then...it was our war too. But we were not ''late''. |
| Haystacks Calhoun 06.09.2005 13:30 |
The rescuers would have been 24-36 hours less "late" had they not had to wait for SECURITY FORCES for the rescue boats..... |
| Mr.Jingles 06.09.2005 13:46 |
As far as I'm concerned Krizzy never said the hurricaine was Bush's fault, but she does indeed criticize him for his slow reaction to respond to the emergency. After all, Bush himself said that the lack of preparation and the relief effort on the first days after the tragedy was "unacceptable". At least I have to say that I have a bit more respect for someone who is actually willing to acknowledge his own failure, even if it's one out of many. link Krizzy is one of the best posters on this board, and thanks to people like her is why many of us haven't left. I'm sure many people will agree with me. |
| Krizzy 06.09.2005 13:50 |
***CLAPS***CHEERS*** My point exactly, thank you to Arlene, Bob the Shrek and Mr. Jingles for explaining it to the S-L-O-W!!! |
| Bob The Shrek 06.09.2005 13:53 |
'I am referring to when the USA declared war on the Axis powers, and enacted in congress for the USA ro be involved IN WW2..AFTER being attacked the day of Pearl Harbor. We wer'ent ''Late''. We were not yet involved and were trying to stay out of that war, until we were under personal attack. Then...it was our war too. But we were not ''late'' You were already involved by supplying the Allies with ships, tanks, trucks and other vital spupplies to keep the war effort going - the only thing you didn't do was send troops. WW2 was already 2 years old and you didn't want in until attacked by Japan. Regardless of how you word it, the USA was late joining in the fight for freedom. Edit: This is not an attack on the USA's policy at the time, btw. |
| Haystacks Calhoun 06.09.2005 14:05 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: As far as I'm concerned Krizzy never said the hurricaine was Bush's fault, but she does indeed criticize him for his slow reaction to respond to the emergency. After all, Bush himself said that the lack of preparation and the relief effort on the first days after the tragedy was "unacceptable". At least I have to say that I have a bit more respect for someone who is actually willing to acknowledge his own failure, even if it's one out of many. link Krizzy is one of the best posters on this board, and thanks to people like her is why many of us haven't left. I'm sure many people will agree with me.Krizzu used the biggest natural disaster to ever strike the US to attempt to score points politically. That, to me, is simply wrong. I have no doubt that Krizzy is a fine person. However, that said, she is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY of base on this thread that SHE started.... The local folks knew that if this storm hit, that thousands would die. What could have been done differently? Getting the people OUT of harms way would have been a start...all it would hav taken was a phone call from Nagin on Friday morning asking for Federal help, but did it come? Get a look at the "real" New Orleans to see why the raping, pillaging, murder, and looting took place.... The American Spectator reports that "New Orleans has one of the highest murder rates in the country. By mid-August of this year, 192 murders had been committed in New Orleans, 'nearly 10 times the national average,' ...New Orleans was ripe for collapse. Its dangerous geography, combined with a dangerous culture, made it susceptible to an unfolding catastrophe. Currents of chaos and lawlessness were running through the city long before this past week, and they were bound to come to the surface under the pressure of natural disaster and explode in a scene of looting and mayhem". The Sept. 4 New York Daily News reported "Louisiana and New Orleans have a long, well-known reputation for corruption... Adjusted for population size, the state ranks third in the number of elected officials convicted of crimes (Mississippi is No. 1). Recent scandals include the conviction of 14 state judges and an FBI raid on the business and personal files of a Louisiana congressman." One former governor from the 1990's recently completed a prison term for tax fraud and the one that followed him, reports the Daily New, "is currently serving a 10-year prison sentence for taking bribes from casino owners". The Daily News goes on to note that in the 1990s the New Orleans Police Department "had the dubious distinction of being the nation's most corrupt police force and the least effective: the city had the highest murder rate in America. More than 50 officers were eventually convicted of crimes including murder, rape and robbery; two are currently on Death Row." Playing politics with disaster, Krizzy? You are better than that.... |
| Mr.Jingles 06.09.2005 14:22 |
Haystacks Calhoun wrote:For God's sake how many fuckin' times do we have to repeat that Krizzy is criticizing Bush for not responding fast enough to the emergency. She's not the only one, and even Republicans have expressed their criticism for the lack of fast reaction to this tragedy.Mr.Jingles wrote: As far as I'm concerned Krizzy never said the hurricaine was Bush's fault, but she does indeed criticize him for his slow reaction to respond to the emergency. After all, Bush himself said that the lack of preparation and the relief effort on the first days after the tragedy was "unacceptable". At least I have to say that I have a bit more respect for someone who is actually willing to acknowledge his own failure, even if it's one out of many. link Krizzy is one of the best posters on this board, and thanks to people like her is why many of us haven't left. I'm sure many people will agree with me.Krizzy used the biggest natural disaster to ever strike the US to attempt to score points politically. That, to me, is simply wrong. Playing politics with disaster, Krizzy? You are better than that.... Do we need to bring Barney The Dinosaur to explain it to you? Hopefully that purple S.O.B. has better luck than we do. |
| Haystacks Calhoun 06.09.2005 15:08 |
Here is yet another take... Contrary to what is being spouted within the media at this time, a Cat 5 storm did not exist, AND WAS NOT PREDICTED by the National Hurricane Center 84 hours prior to landfall. And, as of today, there never will be. All of NOAA's predictions beyond 72 hours are "experimental", and its stated they should NOT be used for evac planning. As for the 72-hour window prior to landfall, this storm was a Cat 2 72 hours before obliterating the Gulf Coast. Here is the projected strengths divulged by NOAA, which shows a maximum projected wind speed of 90 knots - hardly the killer that came ashore. These from the update on Friday at 0500 - 72 hours prior to landfall. --------------------------------- FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INITIAL 26/0900Z 25.3N 81.5W 65 KT 12HR VT 26/1800Z 25.2N 82.6W 70 KT 24HR VT 27/0600Z 25.4N 83.8W 75 KT 36HR VT 27/1800Z 25.9N 84.6W 80 KT 48HR VT 28/0600Z 26.6N 85.4W 85 KT 72HR VT 29/0600Z 28.5N 86.5W 90 KT 96HR VT 30/0600Z 33.0N 84.5W 40 KT...INLAND 120HR VT 31/0600Z 39.0N 79.0W 25 KT...INLAND ---------------------------------------------- Get to a mere 48 hours prior to landfall, and the storm had just become a Cat 3 as of 0500 Saturday. Below is the actual 0500 update from NOAA on Saturday. --------------------------------------------- ZCZC MIATCPAT2 ALL TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM BULLETIN HURRICANE KATRINA ADVISORY NUMBER 16 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 5 AM EDT SAT AUG 27 2005 ...KATRINA BECOMES A MAJOR HURRICANE WITH 115 MPH WINDS... AT 5 AM EDT... 0900Z... THE TROPICAL STORM WARNING HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED FROM THE SEVEN MILE BRIDGE TO KEY LARGO FLORIDA AND FOR FLORIDA BAY. A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM WEST OF THE SEVEN MILE BRIDGE WESTWARD TO KEY WEST INCLUDING THE DRY TORTUGAS. FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE. AT 5 AM EDT...0900Z...THE EYE OF HURRICANE KATRINA WAS LOCATED BY RADAR AND RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT NEAR LATITUDE 24.4 NORTH... LONGITUDE 84.4 WEST OR ABOUT 435 MILES SOUTHEAST OF THE MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER AND ABOUT 165 MILES WEST OF KEY WEST FLORIDA. KATRINA IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 7 MPH... 11 KM/HR. A GRADUAL TURN TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 115 MPH...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. KATRINA IS A CATEGORY THREE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. SOME STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS. RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT DATA AND SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT KATRINA HAS BECOME A LARGER HURRICANE. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 40 MILES FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 150 MILES. TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE OCCURRING JUST OFFSHORE OF THE NORTHERN COAST OF WESTERN CUBA. THE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE RECENTLY REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT WAS 945 MB...27.91 INCHES. STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 2 TO 4 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS... CAN BE EXPECTED ALONG THE SOUTHWEST COAST OF FLORIDA IN AREAS OF ONSHORE FLOW EAST OF CAPE SABLE... AND IN FLORIDA BAY. STORM SURGE WILL GRADUALLY SUBSIDE TODAY. KATRINA IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES OVER WESTERN CUBA... AND 1 TO 3 INCHES OF RAINFALL IS EXPECTED OVER THE YUCATAN PENINSULA. RAINFALL IS EXPECTED TO SLOWLY DIMINISH ACROSS THE LOWER FLORIDA KEYS TODAY... ALTHOUGH AN ADDITIONAL 1 TO 2 INCHES OF RAIN IS POSSIBLE IN SOME OF THE HEAVIER RAIN BANDS. ISOLATED TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE THIS MORNING OVER THE LOWER FLORIDA KEYS. REPEATING THE 5 AM EDT POSITION...24.4 N... 84.4 W. MOVEMENT TOWARD...WEST NEAR 7 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...115 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 945 MB. AN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER AT 8 AM EDT FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT COMPLETE AD |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 06.09.2005 19:16 |
Krizzy wrote: One day the WHOLE truth about what Bush knew and didn't know will come out and then any A-hole who calls me a nutcase will be to busy kicking themself to argue...hey it may even happen sooner if you start being blind little sheep and think for yourselves.In other words, start thinking like you. |
| Mr.Jingles 06.09.2005 19:38 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:Hey, it beats thinking like you. If I did, I should get a lobotomy.Krizzy wrote: One day the WHOLE truth about what Bush knew and didn't know will come out and then any A-hole who calls me a nutcase will be to busy kicking themself to argue...hey it may even happen sooner if you start being blind little sheep and think for yourselves.In other words, start thinking like you. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 06.09.2005 20:56 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:And if I ever was as insulting as you lot, I would wash my mouth out with soap.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:Hey, it beats thinking like you. If I did, I should get a lobotomy.Krizzy wrote: One day the WHOLE truth about what Bush knew and didn't know will come out and then any A-hole who calls me a nutcase will be to busy kicking themself to argue...hey it may even happen sooner if you start being blind little sheep and think for yourselves.In other words, start thinking like you. |
| Saint Jiub 06.09.2005 22:31 |
Krizzy wrote: READ THIS: link I hope that Bush-loving brainwashed teenager that supports that idiot of a president reads this too! Kriz >:o(Nope - Krizzy is not piling on, Of course not. No political opportunism - no sirree Bob. I so admire Krizzy, that I decided to return the favor and call Democrats brainwashed. I think from now on, I will try to be more original and just refer to Krizzy and Jingles as "Dizzy" because they are spin masters. Question is - are they really dumb enough to believe their own spin? |
| MamaQueen 06.09.2005 23:44 |
I don't understand this? Why couldn't all these people that are being evacuated now been evacuated before the huracaine? It's like they knew that a missile was going to hit that area and the people who had the power just crossed their fingers and looked the other way. What is the difference between before and after Katrina?: thousand of deaths. |
| Saint Jiub 07.09.2005 00:25 |
The mayor of New Orleans was afraid of lawsuits from the business district. Manditory evacuations were ordered by the mayor less than a day before Katrina's arrival after Bush pleaded for a manditory evacuation. |
| Mr.Jingles 07.09.2005 08:56 |
I think it's funny how the same person who accusses others of "spinning" is the same one who figures that because we don't support Bush, we're can automatically be labeled as "Democrats". As far as I'm concerned neither Krizzy or me have ever mentioned being supporters of the Democrat Party, or any other political organization for that matter. Well here are some other labels for us, so you can use them anytime you want in the future: - Commies - Pot Smoking Hippies - Pinheads - Slackers - Tree Hugging Idiots - Anti-American - Left Wing Nuts - Traitors - Terrorists That's McCarthyism at it's very best. The ultimate spin. |
| Haystacks Calhoun 07.09.2005 09:29 |
Don't blame only feds Crime rate, inept pols leveled New Orleans before the storm Let's take a break from the joy of Bush bashing to reveal the dirty little secret of New Orleans: Its local government deserves an F for its planning and response to Katrina. And one other thing: The New Orleans police force would be a joke if it weren't a disgrace. Yes, I know it's impolitic to say such things while the suffering in the Big Easy is fresh and many cops risked their lives to save others. But now is the time to blow the whistle on the story line being repeated by rote across America: That the federal government ignored New Orleans because most of its residents are black and poor. That narrative has all the accuracy of a historic novel: it takes two undisputed facts - the feds were slow and New Orleans is largely black and poor - and weaves in pure fiction to make the desired link. The charge of racism-inspired foot-dragging isn't just nonsense. It's pernicious nonsense, as in destructive and malicious. You know that's a fact because loony Howard Dean, the Democratic Party boss, is now peddling it. He's joined by Jesse Jackson, who said the squalor in New Orleans "looks like the hull of a slave ship." Oh, please. If even a smidgen of the racism charges are true, President Bush should be shot. But before we give him his blindfold, let's look at New Orleans before Katrina. Start with crime. That looters ran unchecked after the hurricane isn't surprising when you consider that criminals have had the run of the city for years. It is a perennial contender for Murder Capital. The 264 homicides last year were a drop of only 11 from 2003 - and the first decline in five years. New Orleans, with fewer than 500,000 people, had almost half the murders of New York, which had 570 homicides last year in a city of more than 8 million. Put another way, if New York had New Orleans' murder rate, we would have more than 4,200 murders a year. That the New Orleans police are hardly the Finest was proven by a shocking report yesterday: Nearly a third of New Orleans cops - some 500 of the 1,600 - are now unaccounted for. The department says some quit, but it doesn't know where most of them are. The top cop, Eddie Compass, has responded by offering all officers paid vacations to Las Vegas and Atlanta. Yes, that's right - he is pulling all cops off the street, even while bodies lie in the open. Never in New York. Then there's Mayor Ray Nagin, a Democrat, who has blamed everybody but himself. Maybe he has forgotten his plans for dealing with Katrina. Last July, his office prepared DVDs warning that, if the city ever had to be evacuated, residents were on their own. According toa July 24 article in The Times-Picayune (spotted by the Web's Drudge Report), "Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation." "You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you," one official said of the message. And how's this for preparation? Cops were told not to work on the day Katrina hit, one officer told The New York Times, but "to come in the next day, to save money on their budget." By all means, let's investigate what went wrong in New Orleans. Let's start in City Hall. Originally published on September 7, 2005 link |
| Bob The Shrek 07.09.2005 09:55 |
Received this by email today: This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. By giving an honest answer, you will discover where you stand morally. No one else will know, so you wont be fooling anyone but yourself if you give anything but a truthful answer. The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation in which you will have to make a decision. Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet spontaneous. Please read slowly and thoughtfully, giving due consideration to each line. Here's the situation: You are in New Orleans. There is chaos all around you caused by a hurricane with severe flooding. This is a flood of biblical proportions. You are a photo journalist working for a major newspaper, and you're caught in the middle of this epic disaster. The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot career-making photos. There are houses and people swirling around you, some disappearing under the water. Nature is unleashing all of its destructive fury. Suddenly you see a man floundering in the water. He is fighting for his life, trying not to be taken down with the debris. You move closer...somehow the man looks familiar. You suddenly realize who it is. It's George W. Bush, President of the United States!! At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him under... forever. You have two options - you can save the life of G.W.Bush, or you can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize winning photo, documenting the death of one of the world's most powerful men. So here's the question, and please give an honest answer: Would you select high contrast color film, or would you go with the classic simplicity of black and white? |
| Mr.Jingles 07.09.2005 10:03 |
That was hilarious Bob. On the much sadder side of the reality of Hurricaine Katrina, I found this video that truly reflects how all those poor rescue workers had to put up with a government that had abandoned them. link |
| Haystacks Calhoun 07.09.2005 15:03 |
Anyway, this piece spells it out slowly for those, like Jingles, who will never get it, as their hatred of all things Bush apparently clouds good judgement reagarding FEMA and what they do... Blame Amid the Tragedy Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents. BY BOB WILLIAMS Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT As the devastation of Hurricane Katrina continues to shock and sadden the nation, the question on many lips is, Who is to blame for the inadequate response? As a former state legislator who represented the legislative district most impacted by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980, I can fully understand and empathize with the people and public officials over the loss of life and property. Many in the media are turning their eyes toward the federal government, rather than considering the culpability of city and state officials. I am fully aware of the challenges of having a quick and responsive emergency response to a major disaster. And there is definitely a time for accountability; but what isn't fair is to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin. The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center. The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved. In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved. A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected. The New Orleans contingency plan is still, as of this writing, on the city's Web site, and states: "The safe evacuation of threatened populations is one of the principle [sic] reasons for developing a Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan." But the plan was apparently ignored. Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he |
| Maz 07.09.2005 15:19 |
link For abhoring the political agenda of the left in regards to Katrina, you sure do a good job of promoting the right. All I see are cut-and-paste jobs of largely conservative publications. The reason I won't listen to you is that this shows no understanding of the facts, just regurgitation of someone else's opinion. Whenever you do go off-script and post your own feelings, they betray you. Saying that liberals run on emotions is a ludricous statement when you call Katrina's victims a bunch of welfare-loving, stupid criminals. People have died, and wasting time trying to discuss this issue with you is counter-productive. I will stop. But before you think that posting a bunch of regurgitated opinion counts as enlightenment, remember that most intelligent QZers can see any hidden bias in your ''sources.'' |
| Haystacks Calhoun 07.09.2005 15:25 |
Zeni wrote: link For abhoring the political agenda of the left in regards to Katrina, you sure do a good job of promoting the right. All I see are cut-and-paste jobs of largely conservative publications. The reason I won't listen to you is that this shows no understanding of the facts, just regurgitation of someone else's opinion. Whenever you do go off-script and post your own feelings, they betray you. Saying that liberals run on emotions is a ludricous statement when you call Katrina's victims a bunch of welfare-loving, stupid criminals. People have died, and wasting time trying to discuss this issue with you is counter-productive. I will stop. But before you think that posting a bunch of regurgitated opinion counts as enlightenment, remember that most intelligent QZers can see any hidden bias in your ''sources.''So, you refuse to listen to the truth, simply because it was published in the Wall Street Journal? Is it not true that the vast majority of the folks that were not evacuated by the local authorities poor, and dependent on the government for food and money? Even Jesse Jackson agrees with that....Mayor Nagin and Gov. Blanco KNEW that, according to all of the plans in place, and ignored it. Are there any facts in the article posted that aren't accurate? I have no bias to one side or the other, my bias is, quite simply, right from wrong..... It is really, really sad that you cannot see that, and that you let politics get in the way of sound judgement... |
| YourValentine 07.09.2005 16:41 |
For an outsider it seems like Americans have 2 answers for a disaster like that: 1. blame someone 2. shoot someone Since Katrina could not be blamed on Al Quaeda, there is a certain confusion who should be blamed (god, the gays, the federal government, the local government) and who should be shot (in the absence of some Arabs just shoot each other). Luckily, the vast majority of the American people are compassionate and generous and help the victims instead of fighting about who is to blame and who has a political advantage from this. |
| Janet 07.09.2005 16:56 |
Thank you for being a voice of reason, Barbara. |
| Haystacks Calhoun 07.09.2005 17:07 |
YourValentine wrote: For an outsider it seems like Americans have 2 answers for a disaster like that: 1. blame someone 2. shoot someone Since Katrina could not be blamed on Al Quaeda, there is a certain confusion who should be blamed (god, the gays, the federal government, the local government) and who should be shot (in the absence of some Arabs just shoot each other). Luckily, the vast majority of the American people are compassionate and generous and help the victims instead of fighting about who is to blame and who has a political advantage from this.Agreed....there would be no argument here, though, were it not for Krizzy and her idiotic post. Someone has to call her on her mis-statement. Furthermore, there is only one side playing politics with this situation, and it is the party of the Nancy Pelosis, the Jesse Jacksons, the Al Sharptons, the Harry Reids, et al. I sent my check, way bigger than I could really afford.....have the rest put there money where their mouths are????? |