| big_fan_of_them 23.08.2005 16:17 |
I think that bisexual is the right word to describe him. He did live with other women, right? |
| Sirk 23.08.2005 16:19 |
.......wasn't he straight then gay.... and bi in the middle.....wtf im confused. |
| big_fan_of_them 23.08.2005 16:20 |
thats exactly what im talking about, he kept it a mystery. But people say that hes gay. |
| Saint Jiub 23.08.2005 16:27 |
Two as far as I know. Mary was before he completely discovered his sexuality Barbara was an interpreter for his boyfriend Winnie also ... But she had a relationship with Freddie too. Does one or two women make Freddie bisexual? Not really |
| big_fan_of_them 23.08.2005 16:32 |
i think theres a 3rd one. ill look it up later. hell yeah it makes him bi, because he had relationships with them, but then, he dated the same amount of guys..so its both right? |
| brENsKi 23.08.2005 16:33 |
winning your school cross-country race doesn't make you World Middle-Distant Champion does it? things, and times change people |
| brENsKi 23.08.2005 16:35 |
big_fan_of_them wrote: but then, he dated the same amount of guys..so its both right?no. he went through a phase (early 80s) where he shagged practically every bloke who offered themselves...there's one occasion where he bragged about shagging loads of different blokes in one night |
| Saint Jiub 23.08.2005 16:37 |
He easily had 100's of guys. If he "experimented" with a few women ... that does not make him bisexual. |
| Saint Jiub 23.08.2005 16:38 |
Maybe his left pinky fingernail was bisexual. |
| big_fan_of_them 23.08.2005 16:46 |
but wait, he left his millions and his mansion to the woman he loved. which is Mary, wouldnt he leave all his stuff to his friend/bf Jim? thats what confuses me. |
| deleted user 23.08.2005 16:46 |
freddie was straight at first, then he realized he was gay |
| big_fan_of_them 23.08.2005 16:47 |
why didnt he ever say that he was when asked: are you gay, he replied: im gay as a daffodill dear. what the hell does that mean? |
| Penetration_Guru 23.08.2005 17:37 |
Whatever he thought it meant, I'm sure you could twist it/refuse to believe it/ignore it. |
| gem27 23.08.2005 17:41 |
freddie wasnt bisexual anyway Elton John was once married so that means nothing if he had girlfriends or not. Mary was with Freddie the longest so thats why he left his things to her i suppose |
| doremi 23.08.2005 18:30 |
the_hero wrote: I think when the being homosexual thing got less and less a taboo, Freddie felt more open and felt more and more comfortable being gay. Maybe he had a relationship with Mary Austin so the press would think he was straight. The start of glamour rock made it more easy to show your female side without people thinking you're homosexual1) Your 1st statement is spot on. From both Freddie's own personal self discovery and the acceptance (or not) of society..as Brian has said about Freddie's road to sexual discovery in several interviews. 2) Jim Hutton said that during the Magic Tour, especially at the 2 Wembley 86 concerts, that though he and Fredie were already living together as lovers, Freddie DID in FACT take Mary out with him to all public functions and on the tour, as well as Ferrdie also having Barbra Valentine meet Freddie at the airport in Munich (while Freddie was living with Jim as lovers)...to keep up appearances to the press and public. JIM actually said this himself. 3) Is also spot on. Glam rock gave many gay and Bi-sexual, or even straight men who wanted to experiment, the chance to be ''loud and proud'' and dress in drag, makeup, without people thinking (or so they thought because as we are saying HERE, we knew why they did it and that they were gay or Bi)...but they thought the general public and fans would think they were straight but cool and just artsy, ecclectic, cutting edge, etc. big_fan_of_them wrote: but wait, he left his millions and his mansion to the woman he loved. which is Mary, wouldnt he leave all his stuff to his friend/bf Jim? thats what confuses me.A person's sexuality or even current lover/wife/husband has nothing to do with who they love most or who they leave their money/estate to when they die. Freddie loved Mary as a lifelong, very dear friend who stood by him through thick and thin, gave up much of her life to be his ''public/pretend for the press'' girlfriend and according to her interviews in 2000, she said it ruined her genuine straight relationships with the actual father of her children, who left her. She spent her life, over 2 decades being loyal to Freddie, and so he left her his estate. So there you go. Freddie left the person he had known and cared about and trusted, the longest amount of time, being Mary, who likewise knew, loved and stood by him for over 20 years, the bulk of his estate. That doesn't mean he didn't love Jim any less, as well as past lovers and friends like Phoebe, or Freddie's MOM and sister, whom Freddie all left money, and quite a good chunk at that. |
| big_fan_of_them 23.08.2005 19:49 |
thanks that made alot of sence Arlene R. Weiss ^_^ |
| big_fan_of_them 23.08.2005 19:49 |
*sense :P |
| Sharon G. 23.08.2005 21:21 |
Right on Arlene. |
| Zander05 24.08.2005 01:14 |
I really, honestly don't know how many times I've felt the need to address such topics. But here's one more! People do not change their sexual orientation. A lot of folks, especially at a time or in an envirement where being queer is not okay, have straight romantic relationships in effort to be "normal." And a lot of times, under the same circumstances, a person can be in denial (I myself have been through this). Freddie had had three - maybe more - girlfriends because he probably couldn't grasp at the time that he was gay. This certainly didn't mean that his girlfriends meant nothing more to him than a publicity stunt. Mary was someone who had loved Freddie before and after fame and never judged him. Freddie had left her Garden Lodge so that his home could become one fit for a family he never had. Again, to summarize: a person cannot consciously become homosexual. A person can try to change through those ex-gay groups that don't work at all and are a total waste of time, but a person cannot deny who they are. Freddie is gay. Always has been. He never woke up "Hmm. As much fun as girls are, I think I'd rather just be a homo. It'll make me more interesting and also make my life more difficult. But that's okay as long as I get some attention!" Breaking it down more for the slower audience: A PERSON'S SEXUALITY CANNOT BE CHANGED AT ALL. You'd have a better chance finding a tiger who could change its stripes! |
| The prophet's song 24.08.2005 04:40 |
Because he was bi |
| Mr Mercury 24.08.2005 06:34 |
big_fan_of_them wrote: i think theres a 3rd one. ill look it up later. hell yeah it makes him bi, because he had relationships with them, but then, he dated the same amount of guys..so its both right?That would be Rose Pearson. Originally she was called Rosemary but dropped the "mary" part and became just Rose Rose after hearing that Freddie was going out with Mary Austin. Apparently she didnt want to be confused with her. When she was asked about Freddie on ITV's This Morning show, she said something along the lines of he was more interested in her friends, namely Derek Jarman, and she suspected then that he was gay. link |
| mercuryrocks 24.08.2005 07:09 |
big_fan_of_them wrote: why didnt he ever say that he was when asked: are you gay, he replied: im gay as a daffodill dear. what the hell does that mean?Yeah I would like to know what that means, as well... What does it mean?? |
| Winter Land Man 24.08.2005 07:42 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: He easily had 100's of guys. If he "experimented" with a few women ... that does not make him bisexual.I wouldn't say having sex with Mary Austin every night for years, is experimenting. He liked the sex he said. |
| Winter Land Man 24.08.2005 07:43 |
the_hero wrote: I think when the being homosexual thing got less and less a taboo, Freddie felt more open and felt more and more comfortable being gay. Maybe he had a relationship with Mary Austin so the press would think he was straight. The start of glamour rock made it more easy to show your female side without people thinking you're homosexualHe was with Mary before he even had a record contract or professionally recorded music. |
| Winter Land Man 24.08.2005 07:46 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote: Freddie DID in FACT take Mary out with him to all public functions and on the tour, as well as Ferrdie also having Barbra ValentineWHO IS FERRDIE? |
| deleted user 24.08.2005 07:49 |
Dude... I thought he was bi--hm... I wonder if I'd had a chance if I was born earlier... damn my 80's childness |
| We Are The Champions 24.08.2005 08:38 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:I remember this being said as well..shagging guys left, right and centre to everyone who offered it to him on a plate! Out and out gay as they say! It's also been suggested that he brought up his relationship with Mary to cover his homosexuality from his parents. He split from Mary in 1976 as far as I know and had his first serious boyfriend after that. Don't forget that Freddie was apparently Kenny Everett's first gay relationship and he was married for some time!big_fan_of_them wrote: but then, he dated the same amount of guys..so its both right?no. he went through a phase (early 80s) where he shagged practically every bloke who offered themselves...there's one occasion where he bragged about shagging loads of different blokes in one night I know that's it's speculation but it may be very likely that Freddie contracted the AIDS virus form his "heavy crusing" days in New York in the early 80's. Mick Rock first suggested this in the Untold Story documentary. Nobody really knows except for Freddie of course but he should have told the world he had AIDS long before he announced it a day before he died to the world. Nobody deserves to get AIDS, but Freddie's promiscuous, devil-may-care attitude and burning the candle in the middle as well as both ends contributed to his early death. Live fast, die young as they say. Freddie was really gay but partial to a bit of pussy once in a while..so I guess that makes him bi. I just really remember him for his brilliant voice, his music and superb showmanship. His private life was his business but when you're in the limelight it's never private. |
| deleted user 24.08.2005 09:56 |
Well, at the time when he was discovering he was gay, he must have been confused and don't know what to choose... so I guess many gays are a little bit of bisexual in the middle.. |
| deleted user 24.08.2005 10:00 |
GAY, LESBIAN, MALE, FEMALE... Freddie could be anything he wanted to be Just turn himself into anything he thought that he could ever be Be free with his tempo be free be free Surrender his ego be free be free to himself :D |
| deleted user 24.08.2005 10:11 |
Biseksual |
| written_in_the_stars 24.08.2005 10:24 |
<font color=red>ROGER<font color=blue>37 wrote: GAY, LESBIAN, MALE, FEMALE... Freddie could be anything he wanted to be Just turn himself into anything he thought that he could ever be Be free with his tempo be free be free Surrender his ego be free be free to himself :DThat's well said LOLLLLL |
| *3*Playful as a pussycat 24.08.2005 12:24 |
sorry, but who cares? he was what he was. we'll never know because im not too sure he knew. period |
| doremi 24.08.2005 15:44 |
the_hero wrote:Not lame. LMAO! What's that other stuffed animal, carton character? Flobey I think! LOL!Messenger Of Leah wrote:Furby's brother (sorry lame)Arlene R. Weiss wrote: Freddie DID in FACT take Mary out with him to all public functions and on the tour, as well as Ferrdie also having Barbra ValentineWHO IS FERRDIE? |
| big_fan_of_them 24.08.2005 23:59 |
sorry, but who cares? he was what he was. i agree. its just people are telling THEIR opinions on what he was, and i believed their words. so i just wanted to know. i guess we will never know |
| freesia 25.08.2005 11:57 |
Rip Van Winkel wrote something like hes had 100s of guys, but experimented with a few women, this does not make him bi-sexual. Surely then if the opposite were applied, and he had had hundreds of women and experimented with a few blokes that does not make him gay? I still like to think that Freddie was very much a free spirit, all the time. If he met someone who he fancied, he took the opportunity, and that was that. If he met someone who he liked on an intellectual level maybe he spent longer getting to know them, and just possibly he didnt totally understand his sexuality anyway. Two things are clear to me, Freddie wanted a relationship with someone he trusted and loved, he had that with both Mary and Jim, that, in my book makes him bi-sexual. Secondly he was a people person, he enjoyed peoples company, and if he trusted them he would not want to lose their friendship (proof of that in all his ex lovers living with him at Garden Lodge. Finally, my view is that he lived life so much in the fast lane, he wanted to sample as much as he could, maybe looking for an answer that always evaded him, his life was very complicated, even during school / teenage years he had the schoolmate he experimented with, and the lady that was on GMTV, so even that far back he was trying to make his mind up. I wonder if Freddie had lived, if he would still be with Jim? Afterall he did cheat on him, I think above all he needed to feel secure, and who ever his other half was at the time, if they fitted that bill, they would do until something more attractive came along. However, I dont think Mary would ever truly be replaced. |
| LIZAWITHAZ 25.08.2005 12:11 |
Really you have to be joking! This subject is older than the hills. Well, I can speak only from personal experience as I only seen Freddie with gay men, but he admired women. and speaking as a gay man, myself who has alot of women friends I can tell you that at the time I came out of the preverbial closet there was a lot of gay haters more so then than now. I came out in the 1970s and let me just say we had to know who and where to met otherwise we'd be completely beaten up. As I unfortunately was back in 1972 in Liverpool by a bunch of bloody thugs...but I shall not go into that. Before I came out I dated both sexes as well but sex with women for a gay man is kind of like fishing in a bucket. Whilst I was with my male lovers it felt right and comfortable. Cheers all, David |
| Krizzy 25.08.2005 13:02 |
I love you David! Kriz ;o* |
| freesia 26.08.2005 04:25 |
Hi there David, its interesting to see it from your point of view, and youve made some good points such as the distinct threat of being beaten up back in the 70s, which was probably a big part of the reasoning behind Freddies behaviour at that time. As he felt safe when surrounded by his mates, he allowed himself to indulge when he was out. He surely must have been a risk taker, I read in some book somewhere that when he was told of clubs which were considered no-go areas he made a point of going! The thing that makes me more than a little uncertain about his sexuality is that he slept (reputedly) with Barbara Valentin, in an interview with her daughter she said she could have seen them getting married! As you said this subject is as old as the hills, and everyone will have their opinions I think the only thing we can assume for definate is Freddie certainly wasnt straight! |
| deleted user 26.08.2005 06:45 |
Well, at first he was bisexual but then it went to full blown gay. Yeah. |
| LIZAWITHAZ 26.08.2005 07:48 |
Well Freesia, lovely flowers BTW but not to get off the subject...Freddie was a man who LOVED to shock people...not sure if he slept with Barbara Valentin but she was a very sexy woman...and alot of gay men worshipped her because of her work with Fassbinder (not sure of spelling), anyway her daughter probably was correct but Freddie must have been out of his head high on coke when it happened, dear. He and Barbara were certainly coked up much of the time back then. They shared an apartment in Munich for a while and then after he passed she had a time holding on to it for legal reasons. More later, David |
| freesia 26.08.2005 10:09 |
Very true David, perhaps it was just the side of his personality where he liked to keep everyone guessing, and I reckon hes probably sat up there thinking look at them, still trying to guess what Bo Rhap was about, still wondering about my sexuality, he will be having a BALL! I think it would appeal to him immensely if he could see the confusion and questions he left behind! I think with hindsight, he probably started with experimenting at school, and as you say, the 70s were a whole different ball game to today, so possibly kept things under his hat so to speak. Then with Mary, he realised possibly that he loved her but more as a friend, then later spending more time in Munich and NY came out when he was more relaxed in the company he was with. So, I suppose, from there on he was out and out gay, I hadnt thought of the coke being involved with Barbra, that would explain it. It matters not to me, I found him just as attractive whether he was gay, bi or straight! |
| Grantcdn 26.08.2005 22:04 |
Like really who cares but I'd say he was Bi Because if he was only experimenting....he wouldn't have done the experimenting over the years....let's face it from what we here he probably would have done anyone or anything that was legal....when it comes down to Mary, Barbara, Rose, the girls Brian may says he'd go into a room with...there were girls on tour etc. etc. etc....he had his preferences but if he wanted his rocks off he'd find someone....not that I condone that type of behaviour esp. now.....a lot of people don't seem to think their can be a bi...as if it HAS to be one or the other.... I've always been curious though too why Mary got almost everything....like just think if you are in a relationship yet leave all your stuff to one of your friends? doesn't that seem strange? and everyone seemed to hate Mary for it....while quite obviously Freddie loved Mary very much to do that for her.... |