QueenZone discussion #605260

Zeni wrote: Live Killers and Live Magic are both compilation live albums, which (correct me if I am wrong) is not _that_ unusual of an idea. .

Bobby_brown wrote: but to release 2 or even 3 venues during a song it's something else!- It's ridiculous, and it's not certainly a live concert, because they simple didn't catch the live moment at all- that special moment.

brucifer wrote: The fact that the songs themselves and not just the album are compiled from various concerts shouldn't really surprise anyone. Most live albums are done this way .... even ones that claim to be from one show. In fact, it's been common practice in the industry for groups, or artists, to go back into the studio and "fix" the live tracks. This is rampant on many live albums - ex: Kiss - Alive I, II, III & IV; Judas Priest - Unleashed In The East (which has been nicknamed Unleashed In The Studio); Thin Lizzy - Live & Dangerous ..... the list goes on and on and on. there are very few that are truly live, although they do exist. At least, to our knowledge, Queen hasn't resorted to this. The tracks are still "live", even if pieces of songs are taken from different venues. Just thought I'd throw my two cents in. Sorry for interupting.

Bobby_brown wrote: I thought that Kiss hit the bottom line when they've released Alive 1, but Live Killers own that position. Can't this guys relax?- To release a live album should be the simplest thing in the world, but not whith Queen, they have to keep things difficult. I´m really start to think that Queen have the best cathalog to sing live, but as long as being the greatest live band ever...really don't know! If they were so great why do they need all that production?

Even though i noticed subtle sound changes during the songs, i never realise that they were changing venues, and if you want my opinion, this is not the way a live album should me made.

Wiley wrote: The video is not from Frankfurt. I don't know if there's a video for that gig but the clip from LOML is from a gig in Japan, I believe. Weird. :S Wiley

Zeni wrote: Live Killers and Live Magic are both compilation live albums, which (correct me if I am wrong) is not _that_ unusual of an idea. The difference betweem the two albums is that Live Killers was compiled by people outside of the band. Brian and Roger, I believe, were especially upset with the end product. Live Magic, coming nearly a decade later and after Queen had more control over their careers, was probably more directly controlled by the band. Not sure what the excuse was there, other than the fact they did not want to release another 2LP set.

Bobby_brown wrote:

brucifer wrote: The fact that the songs themselves and not just the album are compiled from various concerts shouldn't really surprise anyone. Most live albums are done this way .... even ones that claim to be from one show. In fact, it's been common practice in the industry for groups, or artists, to go back into the studio and "fix" the live tracks. This is rampant on many live albums - ex: Kiss - Alive I, II, III & IV; Judas Priest - Unleashed In The East (which has been nicknamed Unleashed In The Studio); Thin Lizzy - Live & Dangerous ..... the list goes on and on and on. there are very few that are truly live, although they do exist. At least, to our knowledge, Queen hasn't resorted to this. The tracks are still "live", even if pieces of songs are taken from different venues. Just thought I'd throw my two cents in. Sorry for interupting.

I'm not surprised about fixing the tracks in the studio, because shit happens during a performance even though i think that Kiss and Judas Priest really abuse of this studio thing. But to release two or even three performances in one song, i really never heard this was made, because it's a lot more hard to do, instead of just fixing the mistakes! What disapointes me the most is that Queen are considered to be the best live band ever -the BEST- but "Live Killers" is not the type of thing that the best live band should release, or Rare Live, or Live Magic.-"They should put their money where their mouth is, so to speack!" I´m not been cinical here, but i do really think that Queen were considered to be the best because of the anthems and crowd reaction, because i've seen Van Halen concerts , bootlegs , or even Iron Maiden, and let me tell you, there's no way Queen could beat those guys, because they've really worked very hard to be that good live. I think that the 80's was the decade where Queen really established themselves as a very good live band. Don't get me wrong, their my favourite band, but there's people out there that really work harder to guive the best concert they can. When Steve Vai goes on tour with G3 he says that he can reharse until 15 hours a day, because he wants to be on top form. Take care

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote: I thought that Kiss hit the bottom line when they've released Alive 1, but Live Killers own that position. Can't this guys relax?- To release a live album should be the simplest thing in the world, but not whith Queen, they have to keep things difficult. I´m really start to think that Queen have the best cathalog to sing live, but as long as being the greatest live band ever...really don't know! If they were so great why do they need all that production?

No way is Live Killers as bad as Kiss Alive. Apparently they re-did all of the vocals in the studio for that one. Unbelievable!

Even though i noticed subtle sound changes during the songs, i never realise that they were changing venues, and if you want my opinion, this is not the way a live album should me made.

But if one doesn't own bootlegs, they'll never notice the difference, will they? I'd say less than 0.01% of the album's buyers have heard even one bootleg from the tour. I do see your point though, and I'd have to agree.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS re-recorded everything for Alive! except the drums.

Regor wrote: I saw Thomas Gottschalks interview with the guys right before the show, and the snippets include Freddie saying "why the hell do you want that fucking song" or something.

Jeffrey Todd wrote: I've just bought 'Live Magic' for the first time and it's not a bad little album. They could have made some smoother transitions. I was wondering if we can confirm the venues for that disc, while we're at it.. is this correct? 01 One Vision (5:07) (from Knebworth) 02 Tie Your Mother Down (2:59) (from Knebworth) 03 Seven Seas Of Rhye (1:19) (from Knebworth) 04 A Kind of Magic (5:31) (from Budapest) 05 Under Pressure (3:48) (from Budapest) 06 Another One Bites The Dust (5:50) (from Knebworth) 07 I Want To Break Free (2:40) (from Knebworth) 08 Is This The World We Created (1:31) (from Wembley) 09 Bohemian Rhapsody (4:40) (from Knebworth) 10 Hammer To Fall (5:20) (from Wembley) 11 Radio Ga Ga (4:27) (from Knebworth) 12 We Will Rock You (1:31) (from Knebworth) 13 Friends Will Be Friends (1:09) (from Knebworth) 14 We Are The Champions (2:02) (from Knebworth) 15 God Save The Queen (1:18) (from Knebworth)

Regor wrote: Sir GH: It was a short snippet in a "patchwork documentary" on german TV, a DoRo kinda thing. Thomas Gottschalk was shown interviewing the band on the steps of the drumriser, and short sequences from the concert were integrated. One of the snippets included the audience shouting "Mustapha" and Freddie responded. I'm pretty sure that I remember it right, although I've recorded accidentally over my videotape of that documentary - so not 100 %, apologies for that. Is there a common video from that show out there ? That was the first time I've seen anything from munich.

Jeffrey Todd wrote: Thanks very much for the info GH, and for all the time you've invested in analyzing this stuff :) I have another question: Has there always been a little 'click' in the left channel during the Mustapha intro to Bo Rhap on 'Live Killers'? It's about 20 seconds into it. Just wondering whether or not to correct it for my playing copy. :)

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS re-recorded everything for Alive! except the drums.

Wow, I can't believe that... but again, I guess I'm gonna have to. :P
...No, you don't have to, because it's not the case. Yes there were overdubs done on Alive, as is the case on most live records (which I don't agree with -but understand- by the way) and one of the areas that received the MOST work was in fact the drums (to which Peter Criss himself feely admits). On the whole though, it is indeed considered to be a live album (just not too live!)

Jeffrey Todd<br><font size=1>cat lover wrote: Yeah, I think it's the sound of one hand clapping.

ANAGRAMER wrote: does any of this matter?

Regor wrote: Anyway, another question: in Bycicle Race the vocal harmonies on "Fat bottomed girls, they'll be riding today" are just so damn perfect, I listened to them several times and I am pretty convinced that they added an "additional Freddie". One can clearly detect Rog, I am not sure about Bri, but it sounds as if there is a nice third sung over, and it sounds like Fred. Any comments ?

Enricosta wrote: During Freddie's presentation of Love of my live (in the LK album) you can hear someone from the public saying in spanish "Qué guapo eres!" (how beautiful you are (?). Does it means this is from Barcelona or Madrid?

ANAGRAMER wrote: does any of this matter?

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Regor wrote: Anyway, another question: in Bycicle Race the vocal harmonies on "Fat bottomed girls, they'll be riding today" are just so damn perfect, I listened to them several times and I am pretty convinced that they added an "additional Freddie". One can clearly detect Rog, I am not sure about Bri, but it sounds as if there is a nice third sung over, and it sounds like Fred. Any comments ?

I just listened ultra-carefully to the Frankfurt bootleg and Live Killers side to side at this point for about a minute, and I assure you, they're identical. Sometimes their harmonies on stage really were that good!!

zaiga wrote: Bob, I just want to say a quick "thank you" for the incredible amount of work you've put into this project. The table with an overview of which parts of which songs come from which night is a great addition. Thanks!

ibanez122 wrote: killer job GH. I noticed something today when I was listening to LK on the way home that I dont think you listed in your analysis. I noticed your double vocal thing on Love of my Life, and while listening I noticed a semi-obvious mistake. When he sings the part "to remind you...", about a quarter of a second before he says "to" you hear another vox start the line "to remind you", then it evens itself out.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

ibanez122 wrote: killer job GH. I noticed something today when I was listening to LK on the way home that I dont think you listed in your analysis. I noticed your double vocal thing on Love of my Life, and while listening I noticed a semi-obvious mistake. When he sings the part "to remind you...", about a quarter of a second before he says "to" you hear another vox start the line "to remind you", then it evens itself out.

Im listening to LOML right now w/ headphones and the timing of the vox is way off in some places. Also, on Death on Two Legs, I dont hear the extra hey's after he says "death". I may be missing it or is it that faint to hear? Yes sir... that's the line that made it so obvious to me! Glad you're all enjoying. I'll post again when the mp3 samples are ready.

ibanez122 wrote: Also, on Death on Two Legs, I dont hear the extra hey's after he says "death". I may be missing it or is it that faint to hear?

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

ibanez122 wrote: Also, on Death on Two Legs, I dont hear the extra hey's after he says "death". I may be missing it or is it that faint to hear?

You can only hear them on the Barcelona bootleg, because they were completely muted for LK.

ibanez122 wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

ibanez122 wrote: Also, on Death on Two Legs, I dont hear the extra hey's after he says "death". I may be missing it or is it that faint to hear?

You can only hear them on the Barcelona bootleg, because they were completely muted for LK.

ah ok then. misunderstood what you said on you site!

NTL wrote: I remember someone writing to Brians website not to long ago saying that the slow version of WWRY was from the show in Zargrebb ( correct spelling ?) Yugoslavia. He said that he attended the show and at some point during the song Freddie says something in Yugoslavian or whatever language they speak, Brian confirmed this and said he would pass the info onto GB.

theCro wrote:

NTL wrote: I remember someone writing to Brians website not to long ago saying that the slow version of WWRY was from the show in Zargrebb ( correct spelling ?) Yugoslavia. He said that he attended the show and at some point during the song Freddie says something in Yugoslavian or whatever language they speak, Brian confirmed this and said he would pass the info onto GB.

ITS NOT YUGOSLAVIAN but Croatian Language and Freddie said "AJMO SAD!" which means"Lets go now" - we will rock you song

Walter B. wrote: Oops, sorry Serry! I thought I would be clever using the searchbutton at Brian´s site. But you were the first to do so... And I did not read the other topic... Thanks for pointing this out to me.

ibanez122 wrote: Put on LK on the way home from work today, and im not sure if im hearing things though :S - maybe you can help Sir GH. On Dreamers Ball - the first time they do the chorus. When FM sings "Ill be right on time" and a few seconds following that you hear a few "yeah's" in their - over the vox (or simultaniously) - possible mistake with the live tracks and forgetting to remove em. They dont sound like Rog/Brian

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

ibanez122 wrote: Put on LK on the way home from work today, and im not sure if im hearing things though :S - maybe you can help Sir GH. On Dreamers Ball - the first time they do the chorus. When FM sings "Ill be right on time" and a few seconds following that you hear a few "yeah's" in their - over the vox (or simultaniously) - possible mistake with the live tracks and forgetting to remove em. They dont sound like Rog/Brian

You know, I've thought of that on every listen, and it has always been a mystery to me. Good luck to whoever wants to figure that one out!

<font color=blue>Rick<h6>Queenboots</h6> wrote: Well, I was talking about another 'yeah' part. Sorry. To many 'yeahs' in this song...

Franck GAVARD PERRET wrote: Hi, I'm French, and I can tell you Dreamers's Ball was recorded in Paris, as we can hear freddie saying ("merci beaucoup") ("thanks a lot"). Concerning the dates, I'm quite sure that : Dreamers's ball was recorded in Paris, Pavillon, on Feb 27, 1979. Love of my Life was recorded in Paris, Pavillon, on the same night. I think We are the Champions is taken from the Barcelona gig, on Feb, 20th. Freddie's voice was quite good ! Cheers, Franck

Franck GAVARD PERRET wrote: Dreamers's ball was recorded in Paris, Pavillon, on Feb 27, 1979. Love of my Life was recorded in Paris, Pavillon, on the same night.

I think We are the Champions is taken from the Barcelona gig, on Feb, 20th. Freddie's voice was quite good !

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Franck GAVARD PERRET wrote: Dreamers's ball was recorded in Paris, Pavillon, on Feb 27, 1979. Love of my Life was recorded in Paris, Pavillon, on the same night.

What proof do you have? LOML is definitely from Frankfurt. I clearly have provided proof, with regards to the Freddie double-tracking. Listen carefully and you'll hear it. Every time you hear only one Freddie singing, it was at that exact moment in Frankfurt he let the audience sing.

I think We are the Champions is taken from the Barcelona gig, on Feb, 20th. Freddie's voice was quite good !

Yes, it was definitely an above average night for Freddie, but the Live Killers WATC is definitely not from this show, or any other show we can check with a commonly available bootleg at the moment.

<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: In the booklet to GVH1 you can see that the audio from Love Of My Life video is from Frankfurt and the audio is exactly the same as on Live Killers but without: "The things you have to do for money hahahaha" and so on...

stateside fan wrote: every piece of info concerning this matter is like reading a good novel.wonderful!keep it coming John

John S Stuart wrote:

stateside fan wrote: every piece of info concerning this matter is like reading a good novel.wonderful!keep it coming John

Actually, its Bob's baby. He is the mastermind behind it all! But I must agree, it is like reading a good novel!

stateside fan wrote: Correct i know Bob's great work i visit the site often and stay in touch with him.But i must also say John's bits on here are extraordinary.I think we all look forward these type of threads and topics.Best of all...its free!!GB maybe you should take a page from these fellas huh.just a thought.

stateside fan wrote: i will Bob i noticed Greg gave you a credit in his book its a shame he didnt just let you write the bloody thing.would have been far more interesting and great fun as well.

ibanez122 wrote: *bump* ok...bought some awesome sounding headphones - anyways listening to *39. From 1:31-1:35 (the last of the "ahhh's") as they did in LOML (the double voice w/ Freddie - I think they applied here. On the last "ah" when FM and RT hit the note - I hear one voice cut out and another finish off the note. I can honestly say that the voice that cuts out is FM's..amazing what killer set of headphones can hear