| John S Stuart 14.08.2005 14:46 |
It's just a question - so no jumping on me please! I was watching a couple of television documentaries I had recorded this afternoon - and basically they got me thinking... First: Psychological profiles. Usually used by the police to create a picture of wanted criminals, but essentially, you can build up a psychological identity of someone from the music they listen to. For example, we can all picture our "typical" gansta rapper, country and western fan, or Hard ' n heavy rocker. Second: Obsessional Compulsive Behaviours. This can lead to debilitating circumstnces like washing one's hands 2-300 times per day, or placing one's food on the plate so that one food item does not touch another. So here are the questions: What is the Psychological profile of a "typical" Queen fan? (Are we super-intelligent - or more like "Star Trek" geeks?), and do we (considering the exteremes we collectors go to) suffer from some type of Obsessive Compulsive Behaviour? Finally, do you think the band (or their marketing teams) cash in on this? I mean, who else (thinking of Innuendo here) has released an edited version of their CD album, to increase sales within their fan base, and, furthermore, could this be the reasoning behind releasing "rarities" drip-by-drip, rather than the promised all encompassing box-sets? |
| luthorn 15.08.2005 04:01 |
We're all psychos here with no life and emphasis on serial killings, witch craft and random chat room postings. After all there are no stupid questions, only 'blink blink' people who ask questions, if you know what I mean. |
| Serry... 15.08.2005 09:21 |
Queen fans..... link |
| Sharon G. 15.08.2005 11:08 |
Some of us like Sharon G. appear to have an un natural obsession with Freddie. |
| Fenderek 15.08.2005 11:32 |
No criticism whatsoever. Absolutely blind with devotion, multiplied by the fact that the Queen story (and espacially the one of late Freddie Mercury) is actually really dramatic. Because of that they feel and think that their love is special and better than anyone else's. Hence the unability to appreciate any other artist or actually aknowledge any change (see: the last Tour threads). Extremely possesive of a Freddie Mrcury legend, almost agressive when confronted. Feel that they own the band because they still cry after Freddie (16 years!!!!) and because of that they feel they know him better than other band members or even his own parents... Confronting is not recommended- may become dangerous or at least unpleasant... Also extremely gullible- will buy anything with QUEEN written on it- be it chocolate bar or a 1st class stamp... Pretentiuous, proud and naive... And some bad taste as well evident, especially when defending RARE LIVE or HOT SPACE or 5ive collaboration :P If you don't fit the picture- either: a) "good on you- you're just enjoying great music" b) "the power of denial is amazing"... Negative? Maybe- but we'e talking "AVARAGE" Queen fan, not the reasonbable folk from QZ... ;) Take it with a pinch of salt... but some of it is unfortunatelly true... |
| Little_Queenie 15.08.2005 11:40 |
Have to agree with you on this one... Even recognised myself in some lines, lol. |
| Little_Queenie 15.08.2005 11:41 |
Little_Queenie wrote: Have to agree with you on this one... Even recognised myself in some lines, lol. Btw, are you talking from your own experience?;) |
| Erin 15.08.2005 11:49 |
I feel like if collectors have sufficient funds to support extreme collecting, then it's just an expensive hobby. However, if a collector is getting themselves into hordes of credit card debt and needs to refinance their home to support their habit, then that might fall under the obsessive compulsive label. I've been a Queen fan for around 14 years now, drop in the bucket to some I know, and my fandom has gone under various stages. I don't find myself watching videos every single day at this point or collecting like I used to. It doesn't mean I don't love the music just as much as when I first heard it. I am just not as obsessed as a lot on here about knowing every little Queen fact. Having said that, I did put $1200 on my credit card for VIP NJ tickets and intend on seeing multiple shows next year. If that makes me a bit strange, then so be it...:-) Oh..and about the marketing. Yes, I feel like we are taken advantage of. I'm sure the majority of us on here own several copies of all the albums and will continue to buy any new releases...even if it's just a rehash of the same or a "drip-by-drip" release of rarities instead of one nicely packaged COMPLETE boxset/s. |
| tupincs 15.08.2005 12:11 |
Who do you call a fan? |
| Mercuryworks 15.08.2005 17:31 |
A bunch of fags really to tell you the truth is what they think of Queen fans. Their is also a fine line between between most Queenzoners and a Queen fan. Most of the Qzers are morons who have nothing better to do then flame the board.......yeah.......dicks......? But most do have the compulsive disorder and most are retards with no life whatsoever. A Queen fan I think is a chill out guitar player who like Beatles, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, the Who and other great bands. Not the shit today though "Finally, do you think the band (or their marketing teams) cash in on this? I mean, who else (thinking of Innuendo here) has released an edited version of their CD album, to increase sales within their fan base, and, furthermore, could this be the reasoning behind releasing "rarities" drip-by-drip, rather than the promised all encompassing box-sets?" Yes. |
| YourValentine 16.08.2005 04:55 |
I am sure that Queen music attracts lots of nutters - just read some entries on the Freddie tribute page and you will find some examples. I have also heard of cases of obsession concerning the band (stalking) and collecting. I do not agree that Queenzoners in general are obsessed and hate each other. Serry quoted the thread about Wembley/Budapest but you will see that the unfriendly stuff there was posted by people nobody really knows here. Long term Queenzoners are funny, intelligent and share their hobby. Most of the rubbish posted on the notice board comes from people who stay here for a couple of weeks and never contribute something useful. Queen fans in general are friendly, tolerant, helpful and have a sense of humour. That's my experience from a couple of Dutch Queen Parties and the recent tour. Mainly on the tour I was impressed by the fans who travelled the continent to see as many shows as possible and helped each other reducing the costs. They shared cars and homes and stood in the rain for hours to be in front row or to get a signature from the band. Actually, I think the band does not deserve them considering Brian's complaints about the bother they are with their requests for autographs and photos. I am not the only one who thinks that the tour was such an exceptional experience because of the people you got to know and the friendship you could so easily start with all these fantastic people. |
| Serry... 16.08.2005 08:12 |
Yes, YV, but John asked about Queen fans, not only Queenzoners... And those 'new at QZ' fans are fans as well... Thanks God, there's no a lot of them (SUCH fans)! |
| YourValentine 16.08.2005 08:39 |
Yes, Serry, the fans I met on conventions and the tour were not all Queenzoners:) |
| Mr. Scully 16.08.2005 09:00 |
Before the Hyde Park gig the staff were given a "profile of a typical Queen fan" (a couple of A4 pages, not much info really). I don't remember much of it but among others it said something like: - typical age: 35-45 - potential alcohol drinker: yes (I remember these two because the "typical R.E.M. fan" is apparently 25-35 years old and doesn't drink alcohol). |
| John S Stuart 16.08.2005 09:08 |
Mr. Scully: - typical age: 35-45 - potential alcohol drinker: yes Jeepers, that's me nailed - kinda spooky isn't it!! |
| Erin 16.08.2005 09:20 |
YourValentine wrote: Queen fans in general are friendly, tolerant, helpful and have a sense of humour. That's my experience from a couple of Dutch Queen Parties and the recent tour. Mainly on the tour I was impressed by the fans who travelled the continent to see as many shows as possible and helped each other reducing the costs. They shared cars and homes and stood in the rain for hours to be in front row or to get a signature from the band. Actually, I think the band does not deserve them considering Brian's complaints about the bother they are with their requests for autographs and photos.I think it's wrong for Brian or Roger to complain about giving autographs, but there is the stalking factor, especially with Roger, that sometimes screws it up for the rest of us normal folks. I mean, does anyone really need 20 autographs from one tour? If I was Roger, I'd be slightly gun shy about giving autographs for fear of getting tackled.. I hope that the American fans will be able to help each other out with the tour next year. Maybe some the Europeans will make the trip over? :-) Things are a bit different here, though, given the sheer size of the country it could get pricey.. |
| Krizzy 16.08.2005 10:56 |
Roger stalked! That's news to me! Whose stalking him? He'd better get some burly security guards! Kriz ;o) |
| Erin 16.08.2005 11:13 |
Krizzy wrote: Roger stalked! That's news to me!I don't mean stalking as in peeking in his windows and such.. It's just some fans act a little too nuts during close encounters of the Queen kind..;-) |
| FriedChicken 16.08.2005 11:49 |
(I remember these two because the "typical R.E.M. fan" is apparently 25-35 years old and doesn't drink alcohol). The typical R.E.M fan is highly suicidal |
| Erin 16.08.2005 11:56 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: The typical R.E.M fan is highly suicidalEveeerrryyboddy huuuuurts soooometiiimes... |
| PieterMC 16.08.2005 12:18 |
Thanks you just made me slit my wrists..... |
| Erin 16.08.2005 12:29 |
PieterMC wrote: Thanks you just made me slit my wrists.....Oh crap...Shiny happy people holding haaaaands.... That better?? |
| John S Stuart 16.08.2005 13:10 |
PieterMc/Erin You guys have way too much time on your hands;-) |
| Erin 16.08.2005 13:14 |
John S Stuart wrote: PieterMc/Erin You guys have way too much time on your hands;-)Sad, ain't it? And Pieter's at work right now..:-) |
| Bobby_brown 17.08.2005 20:59 |
I toatlly agree that we can take a psychological profile (or at least, a part of it) from a person based on what music they ear. George Harrison said that in an interview some 8 years ago an i agree. You have to look at it with a spiritual view: First of all, we have to admit that people only listen to music that makes them feel good, or enjoy themselves, or in many cases, that makes them cry. Let's analise some cases: Gangsta Rap: In most cases, lyrics appeal to violence, or revenge, or loving a chick. In most cases can be the author biography, so Kids that listen to their music have a real example to look for. You tell me, what kind of person can relate to that kind of energy?- Not Ghandi. You know what i mean?- Because you can say you enjoy the rythm, etc, but if you go deeper and read the lines you'll understand what i mean. For the sake of it i'm talking about fans of this type of music, people that breath this music all day long, not the guys that enjoy listen to it while they're in the disco. Because in the end this music has a social message, and in many cases people do relate to them, so you can say that people who adopt this kind of music almost as a religion, can be part of ethnic minority groups (and so, they relate to the message). They feel that society is unfair to them and they want to fight back, so they can become violent. And due to the place where they were born they can face violence from a very early stage in their lives. You can say- but everybody listen to this music in the states (black and white), wich is true and this is due to the other part of the question- Marketing. Thre's a lot of money promoting this type of music, but there's more: Black people- probably listen to this music more because of it's social message. They're the minority so they need to fight back (please, read this as an extreme example, just for you to understand my point of view. Of course this can't aply to everyone, but in the most extreme example i think it does). When i say fight back i'm not talking just about violence, i'm talking about determination to succeed too. White people- probably listen to this music more for the fun of it other that the message. Probably they just absorve the Chicks message, and if they're young they can be highlly influentiated about this. Music doesn't make you violent, but if you're a violent person you'll end up listen to violent music (when i say violent person i'm refering to people that can beat your ass down, or can pull a trigger, or are extremely brutal. Street fighters really, not those rich mafia guys that take decisions on someone's lives- in most cases this guys have very refined tastes in what concerns to arts). I compare Gangsta rap to the Heavy Metal movement in the eighties. I mean i those years, heavy metal people were alchooloic and drug adicts (most of them). You can compare an Heavy metal band (from the 80's) with a Queen fan (from that period as well)- Can you get a conclusion? See this as a question of energies- an energy will surround itself with equal energies. A violent person simply don't chill out whith Mozart- that is for winies!! Now, people that listen to music that makes them cry- When we break a relation or someone dies what do we do?- We feel sad, but instead of trying to feel happy we for some reason won't allow ourselves to be happy in a certain period of time. What do we do?- We listen to sad music, the kind that we already know will makes us cry. So, if you like to listen to a lot of sad music in your everyday live, you can be dealing with some kind of depression, or there's something in your life that needs to be resolved. Introspection is the key, meditation too. Remember the thing about the energies- You emotional energy is atracting equal energies and sometimes it's necessary a great deal of inner strenght to breack the cicle. The thing is, if you are with a girlfriend and you're are laughing, you don't wanna listen |