QueenZone discussion #601760
Brian's website edits ''Killer Queen'' Bad Review
| doremi 10.08.2005 18:10 |
One of the things that I DO respect Brian for is how angry he gets when he says the press misquotes or edits what he has said verbatim. Well, he is posting reviews of ''Killer Queen A Tribute To Queen'' on his website. One of the few bad reviews is from New York's Newsday.com. and Brian's website cuts and edits the unfavorable words in the 1st paragraph, and totally leaves out/cuts/edits the 2nd paragraph which is unfavorable. Look, not all the reviews will be good, but then don't post it if it's unfavorable, rather than editing the unfavorable parts/words and making it ''appear'' to be better than it is. I want to know, as a Queen fan the TRUTH, of what critics think, both good and bad. Give Queen fans enough credit for having enough intelligence to read the TRUTH of what critics think, but want to listen to the CD for themselves and make their own, responsible, intelligent decisions of its merits, based on their own independent, intelligent thoughts. Playing with the truth...hmmmmm. I have lost a bit of respect for Brian here. The FULL, complete review is: Another ''Killer Queen A tribute To Queen'' review, from New York's Newsday.com. by Glenn Gamboa. ''KILLING QUEEN. Queen's music, especially Freddie Mercury's vocals, are incredibly difficult to re-create, much less surpass. Which is why ''Killer Queen: A Tribute to Queen'' (Hollywood) may have seemed like a good idea on paper, but in practice, it runs the gamut from exciting to excruciating. Be Your Own Pet's snotty, fast-and-loose reworking of ''Bicycle Race'' is surprisingly good, as is Josh Kelley's decision to turn ''Crazy Little Thing Called Love'' into a Cars song. Both versions of ''Bohemian Rhapsody'' work well, Flaming Lips' spacey remake and Constantine's faithful one.'' ''Unfortunately, Gavin DeGraw's overacting makes ''We Are The Champions'' practically unlistenable, and Joss Stone sucks all the life out of ''Under Pressure'' when she recasts it as a glossy soul number. Luckily, they can't kill the originals, no matter how hard they try.'' "Killer Queen," in stores today: Grade: C- Source: link ..........Brian's edited version of the review, which deletes the unfavorable words in paragraph 1, and which totally edits out the 2nd paragraph which is not so favorable, on his website is: NEW YORK NEWS DAY KILLING QUEEN Queen's music, especially Freddie Mercury's vocals, are incredibly difficult to re-create, much less surpass. Which is why "Killer Queen: A Tribute to Queen" (Hollywood) may have seemed like a good idea on paper . . . Be Your Own Pet's snotty, fast-and-loose reworking of "Bicycle Race" is surprisingly good, as is Josh Kelley's decision to turn "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" into a Cars song. Both versions of "Bohemian Rhapsody" work well, Flaming Lips' spacey remake and Constantine's faithful one. . . . "Killer Queen," in stores today; Grade: C- |
| Tero 11.08.2005 00:47 |
barn wrote: What kind of idiot would post bad things about the music he has made?First of all, it would not be Brian's fault if somebody else has fucked up the songs. Brian doesn't even appear on them! Secondly, writing bad things as well as the good things actually is the whole point of independent reviews. If I want to hear how absolutely wonderful every single Queen-related item is, I'll stick to reading Queenonline (or QZ apparently..). |
| freesia 11.08.2005 05:39 |
It sounds to me as though Brian, has edited the bits that are unfavourable to the people who performed the songs. He may have done this as a sign of respect to them, as in saying everyone knows what has been written however I dont feel the need to repeat it here. I actually respect him for that, and lets be right if he had put the full article in then some people would have said he was being bitchy, just because they were Queen songs, and this critic thought they were done badly by other people, he couldnt win. Also, I have only read this quickly but it appears to me that the critic was in no way slagging off Queen or their music. I'm with Brian on this. |
| Serry... 11.08.2005 06:21 |
If you misquote someone by yourself, then don't complain if someone's misquoting you... |
| FriedChicken 11.08.2005 06:30 |
I highly doubt if Brian is aware of that. As far as I know Jen does everything on the website, she even puts on Brian's soapbox thingies. Jen also checks his fanmail which he gets through the website. She has to protect Brian from the reality |
| Fenderek 11.08.2005 06:47 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: I highly doubt if Brian is aware of that. As far as I know Jen does everything on the website, she even puts on Brian's soapbox thingies. Jen also checks his fanmail which he gets through the website. She has to protect Brian from the realityDitto- IMO she does a pretty... weird job sometimes... |
| YourValentine 11.08.2005 09:10 |
I am afraid you are ill informed, Niek. Jen does not pre-select the fan emails for Brian, he gets to see them all. I think she does an awesome job maintaining the website and answering all the emails (her emails, not Brian's)and providing for the news. Please don't forget that she had her website for ages before Brian started to write his soap box stuff there and finally made it his official website. It's not so easy to run an official website for a star like Brian and Jen has to put up with loads of rubbish each day which she does with grace and style. She is a great lady with a great heart and she never tries to put herself into the spotlight like so many other people who are close to celebrities. |
| Fenderek 11.08.2005 09:13 |
But if a review have been edited- it's her decission surely, not Brian's...? And do you think Brian really gets all the Emails? |
| doremi 11.08.2005 10:34 |
barn wrote: What I wonder is why there are like 10 different "Killer Queen" reviews on the news section. By the way, DO NOT COPY ANYTHING FROM BRIAN'S SITE. It is illegal... it says so on there. If I was Brian, I would of edited the shit out too. What kind of idiot would post bad things about the music he has made?Richard and I both know NOT to copy anything from Brian's website and we have discussed this. I did NOT and NEVER do, copy ANYTHING from Brian's website. I copied them per Richard, DIRECTLY from the NEWS SOURCES and I ALWAYS give the SOURCE links as I have been instructed to do by Richard. ...(which shows you contradict yourself and don't read before you open your mouth, as the review I posted......IS COMPLETE, because it IS FROM NY Newsday.com....it is NOT the EDITED version from and on Brian's website!)......... ....I ALSO gave the WRITER'S Name who wrote the article........... You also will see my intros at the beginning of each article ... .....and each article or person's statements is in italics.....with the quotes'/articles' source and link so that it is not copyright infringement, that's what the italics and SOURCE link are for.................. ......Anything that are MY OWN Original comments, are NOT in italics......... Before you make statements you know nothing about, better check your facts. Richard has specific instructions for what I do as QZ Official News Journalist, his appointment to me, which I follow to the letter. |
| Erin 11.08.2005 10:38 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote:YOU..YOU...Plagiarizor!!! ;-)barn wrote: What I wonder is why there are like 10 different "Killer Queen" reviews on the news section. By the way, DO NOT COPY ANYTHING FROM BRIAN'S SITE. It is illegal... it says so on there. If I was Brian, I would of edited the shit out too. What kind of idiot would post bad things about the music he has made?Richard and I both know NOT to copy anything from Brian's website and we have discussed this. I did NOT and NEVER do, copy ANYTHING from Brian's website. I copied them per Richard, DIRECTLY from the NEWS SOURCES and gave the links as I have been instructed to do. |
| YourValentine 11.08.2005 12:28 |
"But if a review have been edited- it's her decission surely, not Brian's...? And do you think Brian really gets all the Emails?" yes, that's Jen's decision, therefore the criticism aims at Jen and not Brian. And , yes, I am 100% sure that Brian sees all his emails. The website says that requests for autographs will be deleted but otherwise Brian's emails are not pre-selected at all. |
| Krizzy 11.08.2005 14:25 |
After finally hearing the album I think the only decent or fairly reasonable produced track is Jason Mraz's GOFLB otherwise it sucks big time! There that's my personal review...short and sweet and to the bleeding point! Sorry JenX and Dr. BHM do not feel the same but hey that's life! Kriz ;o) |
| Groucho Marx 11.08.2005 17:31 |
"I want to know, as a Queen fan the TRUTH, of what critics think, both good and bad." As a fan, I don't care what critics think. They usually have different tastes than I do. It doesn't make sense to go by what someone else says about music unless you like the same music for the same reasons. I like about half of the tribute CD. I was disappointed that Sum 41 tried to make their song so much like the original. It doesn't even sound like Sum 41. I like when bands cover a song by interpreting it into their own style or giving it a different perspective, musically. Otherwise it's pointless. The covers of Stone Cold Crazy and Play The Game are good examples of that. |
| tupincs 12.08.2005 08:57 |
Jen is an editor. I don't think she does anything without asking Brian. Cutting the article wasn't just her decision. I think it's obvious for every brianmay.com readers that The Master doens't really like if someone doesn't like him, his work or any related projects. BTW I find it not alright, either, if they cut out the unpleasant parts. |
| Lisser 12.08.2005 10:50 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote:I didn't know we had an official news journalist on QZ. I thought we could all post anything Queen news related that we found. Does this mean we have to send any news article on Queen to Arlene first and she'll post it?barn wrote: What I wonder is why there are like 10 different "Killer Queen" reviews on the news section. By the way, DO NOT COPY ANYTHING FROM BRIAN'S SITE. It is illegal... it says so on there. If I was Brian, I would of edited the shit out too. What kind of idiot would post bad things about the music he has made?Richard and I both know NOT to copy anything from Brian's website and we have discussed this. I did NOT and NEVER do, copy ANYTHING from Brian's website. I copied them per Richard, DIRECTLY from the NEWS SOURCES and I ALWAYS give the SOURCE links as I have been instructed to do by Richard. ...(which shows you contradict yourself and don't read before you open your mouth, as the review I posted......IS COMPLETE, because it IS FROM NY Newsday.com....it is NOT the EDITED version from and on Brian's website!)......... ....I ALSO gave the WRITER'S Name who wrote the article........... You also will see my intros at the beginning of each article ... .....and each article or person's statements is in italics.....with the quotes'/articles' source and link so that it is not copyright infringement, that's what the italics and SOURCE link are for.................. ......Anything that are MY OWN Original comments, are NOT in italics......... Before you make statements you know nothing about, better check your facts. Richard has specific instructions for what I do as QZ Official News Journalist, his appointment to me, which I follow to the letter. |
| YourValentine 12.08.2005 11:14 |
"I didn't know we had an official news journalist on QZ. I thought we could all post anything Queen news related that we found. Does this mean we have to send any news article on Queen to Arlene first and she'll post it?" No, please do submit anything you want just like usual through your member profile page. |
| Richard Orchard 13.08.2005 07:12 |
Just to clarify: I offered arlene the "Queenzone journalist" role because she takes the time to submit news stories. It is a recognition of her efforts. If other people want to take time out to regularly submit news stories, then they can get the same reward. Other people are still more than welcome to submit news stories. |
| Bobby_brown 13.08.2005 09:49 |
YourValentine wrote: I am afraid you are ill informed, Niek. Jen does not pre-select the fan emails for Brian, he gets to see them all. I think she does an awesome job maintaining the website and answering all the emails (her emails, not Brian's)and providing for the news. Please don't forget that she had her website for ages before Brian started to write his soap box stuff there and finally made it his official website. It's not so easy to run an official website for a star like Brian and Jen has to put up with loads of rubbish each day which she does with grace and style. She is a great lady with a great heart and she never tries to put herself into the spotlight like so many other people who are close to celebrities.Acording to Brian, Jen do select the fan mails for him, because he don't have time to read them all. She already knows the type of things that Brian likes to read, and she knows what not to send. If you ask things about Freddie's, or questions like: How was the mood when you're recording the made in heaven album? Was it painfull to see Freddie with aids? ...and all the intelligent questions that fans like to ask, probably she don't even pass them to Brian. Take care |
| Bobby_brown 13.08.2005 09:55 |
barn wrote:There's no need to be offensive to Arlene.Lisser wrote:I doubt there is an official journalist or, I imagine it's something like Arlene - "RICHARD PLEASE, I AM BEGGING YOU! I WILL PAY YOU IF YOU CALL ME THE OFFICIAL NEWS JOURNALIST SINCE I KNOW ALL ABOUT QUEEN DESPITE NOT HAVING 3/4 OF THE ALBUMS AND NONE OF THE SOLO ALBUMS!" Really, the woman creeps me out. She claims to be a journalist of Queen, yet the only articles she gets are articles already released by real journalists. :-DArlene R. Weiss wrote:I didn't know we had an official news journalist on QZ. I thought we could all post anything Queen news related that we found. Does this mean we have to send any news article on Queen to Arlene first and she'll post it?barn wrote: What I wonder is why there are like 10 different "Killer Queen" reviews on the news section. By the way, DO NOT COPY ANYTHING FROM BRIAN'S SITE. It is illegal... it says so on there. If I was Brian, I would of edited the shit out too. What kind of idiot would post bad things about the music he has made?Richard and I both know NOT to copy anything from Brian's website and we have discussed this. I did NOT and NEVER do, copy ANYTHING from Brian's website. I copied them per Richard, DIRECTLY from the NEWS SOURCES and I ALWAYS give the SOURCE links as I have been instructed to do by Richard. ...(which shows you contradict yourself and don't read before you open your mouth, as the review I posted......IS COMPLETE, because it IS FROM NY Newsday.com....it is NOT the EDITED version from and on Brian's website!)......... ....I ALSO gave the WRITER'S Name who wrote the article........... You also will see my intros at the beginning of each article ... .....and each article or person's statements is in italics.....with the quotes'/articles' source and link so that it is not copyright infringement, that's what the italics and SOURCE link are for.................. ......Anything that are MY OWN Original comments, are NOT in italics......... Before you make statements you know nothing about, better check your facts. Richard has specific instructions for what I do as QZ Official News Journalist, his appointment to me, which I follow to the letter. The thing is, she is the person that post more news in the news section, and if the articles are made by other journalists, at least she spends some time researching for them and posts the link so you can read them just by click in the link, instead of loosing your time searching for them!! Thanks Arlene, to me you're doing a great job. Don´t stop... Take care |
| YourValentine 13.08.2005 14:51 |
"Acording to Brian, Jen do select the fan mails for him, because he don't have time to read them all. She already knows the type of things that Brian likes to read, and she knows what not to send." Maybe you are right. Perhaps I misunderstood Jen when she said that Brian sees all his emails. I would not be surprised if she removes obvious rubbish from the mail box. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 13.08.2005 20:22 |
I couldn't care less if the reviews are edited on Brian's site, and for several reasons. One, entertainment reviewers know shit and their opinions are slightly less than worthless. Two, its Brian's website, and if he wants to edit that shit, more power to him. Three, expanding upon two, why should anybody be expected to put negative criticism of work they're even tangentially connected to on their own website? Its completely counterintuitive and not 1 person in 100 is going to use their own forum to let people badmouth them. Four, Brian's website is, at least in part, a promotional tool for him and various Queen-related projects, and its stupid to expect him to give a venue for displaying his own bad press. Five, neither Brian nor Jen is a journalist by profession, and so there is a world of difference when a journalist (who is supposed to adhere to the high standards for truth and accuracy of their so-called profession) misquotes the focus of a story and when an individual person does something similar. A journalist is supposed make his living disseminating the facts and thus has a higher standard of responsibility than someone running a promotional or personal website. Its no different than ads for movies that cherry pick the most positive parts of reviews. Six, any moron who can use Google can exercise a tiny bit of effort to track down the source of any review and read it for themselves. And seven, who gives a shit? I mean really. Who cares if a few negative comments were edited out of a review of a tribute album written by some no-name hack whose career is based on leeching off of other people's work? Its not a big deal by any stretch of the imagination. This is not something worthy of elliciting outrage. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 13.08.2005 20:29 |
But if anyone would like to criticize my above post, I'll be happy to post it on my personal web page. I'm a very big man :-) |
| Anto1 14.08.2005 00:49 |
barn wrote:I doubt there is an official journalist or, I imagine it's something like Arlene - "RICHARD PLEASE, I AM BEGGING YOU! I WILL PAY YOU IF YOU CALL ME THE OFFICIAL NEWS JOURNALIST SINCE I KNOW ALL ABOUT QUEEN DESPITE NOT HAVING 3/4 OF THE ALBUMS AND NONE OF THE SOLO ALBUMS!" Really, the woman creeps me out. She claims to be a journalist of Queen, yet the only articles she gets are articles already released by real journalists. :-DWill you ****ing grow up. |
| Bobby_brown 14.08.2005 09:30 |
barn wrote: Hey, you're talking about a woman who downloads Queen songs instead of buying the albums.You probably buy All your music!! If so, it only means you have more money than i do. God bless you! I just don't download the Queen stuff because by the time i got a computer i already own all the collection, and as a Queen collector i just buy everything. This means that i don't spend money on other bands, and yes i do download them. For those prices the managers of companies can stick their CD's on their but, i couldn't care less!! If you buy your Queen stuff that's good for you, but that doesn't mean your a bigger fan than Arlene or other fans that download their stuff. And the fact that she doesn't own 3/4 of their CD's doesn't mean that she can't express her opinion about their music, or any queen topic that might emerge! This is a Queen site for all the fans, and it's normal that there are ones with more knowledge of the band than others, and that's what makes it interesting. I´ve learn many things about Queen since the day i started reading this site and i thoght i was an expert!! Take care |
| Jjeroen 24.08.2005 06:05 |
Apart from a very lousy translation (they took it from the Dutch press-office)- Brian's website also HEAVILY edited and re-wrote my Brixton-review! (Though, I get the impression that overall it is now less 'positive' as all nuance has been edited out...) |
| YourValentine 24.08.2005 06:52 |
I would like to see your complete review, Jeroen. |
| Jjeroen 24.08.2005 06:55 |
You shall, then! :-) I first have to make a translation though. |