Sharron .G 01.08.2005 20:07 |
Your thoughts... |
bohemian 11513 01.08.2005 20:16 |
Of course I do... since he was born he needed our help! That won´t change as long as he still is mentaly handicaped... or is he alright now?:-) |
Penis - Vagina 01.08.2005 22:44 |
Boy, if there was ever someone who so obviously just wanted to stir up trouble, it would be this Sharron with 2 R's. |
Mr.Jingles 01.08.2005 23:18 |
Of course I support this poor man. Anyone who says something like "Is Our Children Learning?" needs some serious help. |
geeksandgeeks 02.08.2005 00:23 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Of course I support this poor man. Anyone who says something like "Is Our Children Learning?" needs some serious help.And under the No Child Left Behind act he implemented, they is not. |
Serry... 02.08.2005 02:12 |
Not me |
pma 02.08.2005 03:25 |
I like a good Bush, I hate it when they shave it. [/predictable][/old] |
rachael mae. 02.08.2005 04:34 |
This is the kinda thread I hate... because people end up being flamed for their political views.. so I'm keeping schtum :P |
djaef 02.08.2005 04:40 |
Bush? Whack-job George Dubbya? support him? I'd hold him up while they put a noose around his neck if that's what you mean... |
@ndy38 02.08.2005 05:31 |
No i do not support him, but then again i'm glad he won the election over John Kerry, who is an idiot. |
Daburcor? 02.08.2005 06:00 |
There are no politicians I support. |
Mr Drowse 02.08.2005 07:08 |
No. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.08.2005 07:29 |
Despite the fact that I am neverceasingingly (is that even a word) taking shit for it, I support the President with all my heart. |
Guy 02.08.2005 07:33 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Despite the fact that I am neverceasingingly (is that even a word) taking shit for it, I support the President with all my heart.2 thumbs up. |
Mr.Jingles 02.08.2005 08:17 |
Dan Corson wrote: There are no politicians I support.Not even Mary Carey? I mean, if she ran for governor in California then that makes her a politician. She gets my support anytime. |
Mr Drowse 02.08.2005 08:59 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:LOLDan Corson wrote: There are no politicians I support.Not even Mary Carey? I mean, if she ran for governor in California then that makes her a politician. She gets my support anytime. |
Sharron .G 02.08.2005 12:08 |
I thought many of you would fell this way...and... I couldn't agree more. Anytime I see "W" attempting to speak.... I still cannot fucking believe this hillbilly idiot got elected to 2 terms. By the way to the person above, John Kerry, while not awesome.... is/was 1000 times more intelligent than George Dubbya I saw "W" on t.v. the other night in a old clip, he was bashing homosexuality, and referring to homosexuals as "the troubled homosexers" He said "its a troubled mind of a homosexer that feels the need to go homosexing, when clearly this is a sin of the highest degree" Bill Clinton may have been alot of things.... he was also one of the USA greatest presidents. What a dissappointment Bush is. |
*3*Playful as a pussycat 02.08.2005 13:14 |
ass who chokes on a friggin' pretzel while his dogs stare at him? bastard who wants to get rid of (and has) gay marriages? fool who wants to fight the war on terror that is ending up getting everyone else blown up? fucker who wants to drill oil in alaska? ummmm...no...i don't think i do.....flame me, i'll take it proudly *drinks Root Beer* |
Mr.Jingles 02.08.2005 13:52 |
Sharron .G wrote: Bill Clinton may have been alot of things.... he was also one of the USA greatest presidents.As Bill Maher said, Clinton is a man of the people because he fucked ugly women. I should even reply to this fuckin topic, because everytime someone replies to a political topic is opening a can of worms. Even if you reply with something that has nothing to be with politics, then you're leaving the post at the top of the thread list ready for someone to post something that will spark a fight. It'd be great if political threads could go down to the bottom where they could be more easily ignored. |
yamamamia 02.08.2005 15:44 |
Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him now??? |
Mr.Jingles 02.08.2005 15:56 |
yamamamia wrote: Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him now???Wouldn't make a difference my friend. Bush is a puppet, and even Bush supporters know that. Behind him there's a group of EVIL men pulling the strings. Rove, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, and Cheney knew that they couldn't run for president because their image doesn't sell, so they called a somewhat charming village idiot to become candidate. Bush is indeed the Ashlee Simpson of politics. |
Guy 02.08.2005 15:59 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:You can say whatever you want, he was still elected democratically.yamamamia wrote: Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him now???Wouldn't make a difference my friend. Bush is a puppet, and even Bush supporters know that. Behind him there's a group of EVIL men pulling the strings. Rove, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, and Cheney knew that they couldn't run for president because their image doesn't sell, so they called a somewhat charming village idiot to become candidate. Bush is indeed the Ashlee Simpson of politics. |
siljeoen 02.08.2005 16:01 |
Va fAn??? President Bush is the biggest sucker that has ever "legally" runned a country!! The guy must have an IQ on 12 or something..-The fact that he's actually the most powerful person in the world is really really scary!... |
Mr.Jingles 02.08.2005 16:13 |
Guy wrote:Well politics is kinda like music, image plays a huge role whether you like it or not, so in many cases integrity, intelligence and wisdom have to be put aside. Afterall, anyone over 18 is allowed to vote regardless of their educational background. There's just too many idiots who absolutely no knowledge of politics whatsoever, and they just vote for one or the other becase "he kinda seems like a better person". Oh, and don't get me started with those who are 100% sure of who they're voting for before the debates when they don't know what their candidates really stand for.Mr.Jingles wrote:You can say whatever you want, he was still elected democratically.yamamamia wrote: Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him now???Wouldn't make a difference my friend. Bush is a puppet, and even Bush supporters know that. Behind him there's a group of EVIL men pulling the strings. Rove, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, and Cheney knew that they couldn't run for president because their image doesn't sell, so they called a somewhat charming village idiot to become candidate. Bush is indeed the Ashlee Simpson of politics. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.08.2005 16:52 |
yamamamia wrote: Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him now???Again, it's nice to know that we have Bush-haters who have to jump over any sort of decency and have to wish he would have his head blown off. Well, listen, it ain't gonna happen as far as I'm around. FYI, I'd gladly take a bullet for Bush. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.08.2005 16:53 |
<font><font color=charm>Alex Solan</font> wrote:Why are you bitching about Mandy? She's a LIBERAL, in case you haven't noticed!pma wrote: I like a good Bush, I hate it when they shave it. [/predictable][/old]... but always effective xD Predictable... hmm... like FGT, Guy, Miss James, Rip Van Winkle, geeks.. etc etc etc etc etc...? Is that the right word? Yes! :D |
D@VID 02.08.2005 16:54 |
I know this topic is a tricky one but here is my two cents.... It has been touched on but its not Bush who is the idiot but the percentage of Americans who voted for him.This man really is a mental midget and possibly worse,maybe,if not totally responsible,a main instigator in 9/11.How this event was allowed to happen(and believe it or not it was allowed)is beyond comprehension. Not only are Americans(not all of them)stupid for voting for him but idiotic for not questioning this mans involvement in the worst criminal act in American history. |
doremi 02.08.2005 17:32 |
D@VID wrote: I know this topic is a tricky one but here is my two cents.... It has been touched on but its not Bush who is the idiot but the percentage of Americans who voted for him.This man really is a mental midget and possibly worse,maybe,if not totally responsible,a main instigator in 9/11.How this event was allowed to happen(and believe it or not it was allowed)is beyond comprehension. Not only are Americans(not all of them)stupid for voting for him but idiotic for not questioning this mans involvement in the worst criminal act in American history.Totally agree with you and I am PROUD to day that I did NOT vote for that butthead, conservative, landgrabbing (thanks for getting the Supreme Court to pass that lovely Eminent Domain law, hope some developer builds a mall on your house Buch!), war mongerer. Unfortunately, yes I do support him...but not in the sense you mean. My freakin' tax dollars pay that a-holes salary, (and so does every tax paying US citizen) and will continue to ''support'' him even after he leaves the oval office until he pops off to heaven (or hell, take your pick though neither would have him I'm sure). |
geeksandgeeks 02.08.2005 17:45 |
<font><font color=charm>Alex Solan</font> wrote:Are you saying I'm conservative?pma wrote: I like a good Bush, I hate it when they shave it. [/predictable][/old]... but always effective xD Predictable... hmm... like FGT, Guy, Miss James, Rip Van Winkle, geeks.. etc etc etc etc etc...? Is that the right word? Yes! :D Honey, I worked for the Dean campaign. I supported a tax raise. I volunteered at an abortion clinic. I'm about as liberal as they come. I just don't believe in lambasting those with a different belief system than mine. |
Guy 02.08.2005 17:46 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Unfortunately for you, democracy is a system for the people, not for educated only. Besides, who decides what educated means? Elementary school? High school? First degree? Second degree?Guy wrote:Well politics is kinda like music, image plays a huge role whether you like it or not, so in many cases integrity, intelligence and wisdom have to be put aside. Afterall, anyone over 18 is allowed to vote regardless of their educational background. There's just too many idiots who absolutely no knowledge of politics whatsoever, and they just vote for one or the other becase "he kinda seems like a better person". Oh, and don't get me started with those who are 100% sure of who they're voting for before the debates when they don't know what their candidates really stand for.Mr.Jingles wrote:You can say whatever you want, he was still elected democratically.yamamamia wrote: Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him now???Wouldn't make a difference my friend. Bush is a puppet, and even Bush supporters know that. Behind him there's a group of EVIL men pulling the strings. Rove, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, and Cheney knew that they couldn't run for president because their image doesn't sell, so they called a somewhat charming village idiot to become candidate. Bush is indeed the Ashlee Simpson of politics. If the majority of the Americans were stupid enough to vote for Kennedy merely because he looked better than Nixon in the televised debate, there's cleary a problem with the system. But until you find a better one, you'll have to acknowledge Bush is running the White House because the American people wanted him to. |
Mr.Jingles 02.08.2005 18:28 |
Guy wrote:I'm not asking to change the system, buddy. I'm asking for people to educate and inform themselves better before making a decision that will change the course of their lives.Mr.Jingles wrote:Unfortunately for you, democracy is a system for the people, not for educated only. Besides, who decides what educated means? Elementary school? High school? First degree? Second degree? If the majority of the Americans were stupid enough to vote for Kennedy merely because he looked better than Nixon in the televised debate, there's cleary a problem with the system. But until you find a better one, you'll have to acknowledge Bush is running the White House because the American people wanted him to.Guy wrote:Well politics is kinda like music, image plays a huge role whether you like it or not, so in many cases integrity, intelligence and wisdom have to be put aside. Afterall, anyone over 18 is allowed to vote regardless of their educational background. There's just too many idiots who absolutely no knowledge of politics whatsoever, and they just vote for one or the other becase "he kinda seems like a better person". Oh, and don't get me started with those who are 100% sure of who they're voting for before the debates when they don't know what their candidates really stand for.Mr.Jingles wrote:You can say whatever you want, he was still elected democratically.yamamamia wrote: Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him now???Wouldn't make a difference my friend. Bush is a puppet, and even Bush supporters know that. Behind him there's a group of EVIL men pulling the strings. Rove, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, and Cheney knew that they couldn't run for president because their image doesn't sell, so they called a somewhat charming village idiot to become candidate. Bush is indeed the Ashlee Simpson of politics. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.08.2005 19:05 |
D@VID wrote: Not only are Americans(not all of them)stupid for voting for him but idiotic for not questioning this mans involvement in the worst criminal act in American history.Bush voters are "stupid"? FYI, my father is an assistant professor of chemistry (an EARNED Ph.D - nothing against those with honorary ones - and 26 papers published in scientific journals). Hardly "stupid" or uneducated. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.08.2005 19:07 |
geeksandgeeks wrote:Alex Solan is reminding me of people on the right who accuse Alberto Gonzalez of being too liberal ;)<font><font color=charm>Alex Solan</font> wrote:Are you saying I'm conservative? Honey, I worked for the Dean campaign. I supported a tax raise. I volunteered at an abortion clinic. I'm about as liberal as they come. I just don't believe in lambasting those with a different belief system than mine.pma wrote: I like a good Bush, I hate it when they shave it. [/predictable][/old]... but always effective xD Predictable... hmm... like FGT, Guy, Miss James, Rip Van Winkle, geeks.. etc etc etc etc etc...? Is that the right word? Yes! :D |
Mr.Jingles 02.08.2005 19:10 |
They're not accusing him of being too liberal, they're accusing him of being too Mexican. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.08.2005 19:20 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: They're not accusing him of being too liberal, they're accusing him of being too Mexican.They're being loco hombres ;) (...Sara is Hispanic yet, ashamedly, knows about three words of Spanish. However, she does know a fair bit of French. Qui est ton pere?) |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.08.2005 19:22 |
djaef wrote: Bush? Whack-job George Dubbya? support him? I'd hold him up while they put a noose around his neck if that's what you mean...Yet again, another post from the Murderous Wing of the Democratic Party... I simply point out, you don't see me saying or THINKING anything like that about Kerry or Dean. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.08.2005 19:24 |
andylamb_38 wrote: No i do not support him, but then again i'm glad he won the election over John Kerry, who is an idiot.Kerry's not an idiot. He's quite intelligent. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 02.08.2005 19:26 |
Sharron .G wrote: I I saw "W" on t.v. the other night in a old clip, he was bashing homosexuality, and referring to homosexuals as "the troubled homosexers" He said "its a troubled mind of a homosexer that feels the need to go homosexing, when clearly this is a sin of the highest degree"Have a link to this interview? I sincerely doubt he used the word "homosexing". Sounds more like someone made a play on his former Bushims such as "misunderestimated". <B>Edit:</B> Also: "We have a choice to make in America and that is to treat people with tolerance and respect and dignity. It's important that we do that. And I also know in a free society people, consenting adults can live the way they want to live. And that's to be honored." - President George W. Bush, October 13th, 2004 |
Gecko 02.08.2005 19:28 |
bust was elected once, he was selected the first time.... i support him cause hes my commander in chief... but im sure there are other people out there who can do a better job (powell) |
Erin 02.08.2005 19:41 |
Gecko wrote: i support him cause hes my commander in chief... but im sure there are other people out there who can do a better job (powell)..or chimps that can do a better job.. ;-) |
iron eagle 02.08.2005 20:36 |
Yo Gecko...package recieved...opened but all was well..... very cool |
Maruga 02.08.2005 20:50 |
He is a mass killer. Of course i don't support him. He is the real terrorist. EL PUEBLO UNIDO JAMAS SERA VENCIDO!!! From Chile. |
Yogurt 02.08.2005 20:51 |
I just try to stay away from anything politics related. Besides, I don't know anything about politics. |
Sharron .G 02.08.2005 23:25 |
The bottom line: 9-11-2001 happened because opportunistic suicide sand nig-nog's knew that we had a idiot ass hillbilly in office who can't find his ass with two hands, and wouldn't know what the fuck to do, especially since his thinker (Dick-head Cheney's) billion dollar a year company was directly linked to the bin Laden's. Bill Clinton may have fucked a few skanky whores in his married years, but the events of Sept. 11 2001 couldn't have/ wouldn't have happened with Bill Clinton in office. They waited for a low IQ chimp who gets his advice from a senile, disgruntled ex-president daddy to be at the wheel.... that way they didn't have deal with Bill Clinton's brain power... they just had to deal with a chimp. |
Saint Jiub 02.08.2005 23:26 |
Top 10 topic "highlights"???: That won´t change as long as he still is mentaly handicapped I'd hold him up while they put a noose around his neck if that's what you mean... I still cannot fucking believe this hillbilly idiot got elected to 2 terms. ass who chokes on a friggin' pretzel while his dogs stare at him? Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him now??? The guy must have an IQ on 12 or something This man really is a mental midget and possibly worse,maybe,if not totally responsible,a main instigator in 9/11. I did NOT vote for that butthead, conservative, landgrabbing (thanks for getting the Supreme Court to pass that lovely Eminent Domain law, hope some developer builds a mall on your house Buch!), ..or chimps that can do a better job.. He is the real terrorist. |
Tero 03.08.2005 00:42 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:My dad is smarter than your dad! :PD@VID wrote: Not only are Americans(not all of them)stupid for voting for him but idiotic for not questioning this mans involvement in the worst criminal act in American history.Bush voters are "stupid"? FYI, my father is an assistant professor of chemistry (an EARNED Ph.D - nothing against those with honorary ones - and 26 papers published in scientific journals). Hardly "stupid" or uneducated. |
Gecko 03.08.2005 01:37 |
AL BUNDY for predident |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 03.08.2005 07:34 |
Sharron .G wrote: The bottom line: Bill Clinton may have fucked a few skanky whores in his married years, but the events of Sept. 11 2001 couldn't have/ wouldn't have happened with Bill Clinton in office.- the first WTC bombing happened while Clinton was in office - the bombing in Kenya happened while Clinton was in office - the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole happened while Clinton was in office - an attempt to fly a plane into the White House happened while Clinton was in office So who's to say 9/11 couldn't have happened with Clinton in office? |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 03.08.2005 07:35 |
Also, Sharron G. Do you or don't you have a link to the interview where Bush used the word "homosexers"? Or are you just making things up? |
Fenderek 03.08.2005 07:58 |
Yesterday I watched Farrenheit 9.11 for the first time. interesting... I loved the bit when they told him about the plains and he was still sitting in the classrom reading a book with kids... He's one of the erasons why America is being hated all over the world... What? You diddn't know almost 75% of the world hates America? Wake up...! |
Guy 03.08.2005 08:11 |
Fenderek wrote: Yesterday I watched Farrenheit 9.11 for the first time. interesting... I loved the bit when they told him about the plains and he was still sitting in the classrom reading a book with kids... He's one of the erasons why America is being hated all over the world... What? You diddn't know almost 75% of the world hates America? Wake up...!That's only because there are lots of Islamic countries :P |
Guy 03.08.2005 08:12 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: - the first WTC bombing happened while Clinton was in officeI'm not so sure about that... |
The Mir@cle 03.08.2005 08:13 |
Of course there were some incidents with Clinton in office, but he was able the think rational after it happened. Bush reacted like a cowboy, gettin his troops ready to conquer the world. And what's the result beside a lot of deaths?? Well, Sadam (the man that wasn't a real danger for the USA... In fact he wasn't even able to defend his contry for a few days) is arrested and Iraq is one big mess right now. And the Taliban is still ruling the biggest parts of Afghanistan, except the regions where the troops are settled. FreddiesGhettoTrench, open your eyes.. That silly president of your country doesn't make a lot of friends. The most Europeans hate him, so does the rest of the world. He's arrogant, he thinks he can tell the rest of the world what to do. I can't stand him. Well, you seem to be a real fan... Ever watched in the mirror and realised that you may miss one chromosome?? |
Mr.Jingles 03.08.2005 08:24 |
Guy wrote:Ramzi Yousef who was the mastermind and carried the WTC bombing in January 1993 was captured in Febraury 1995.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: - the first WTC bombing happened while Clinton was in officeI'm not so sure about that... Now where is Osama Bin Laden. Perhaps we should listen to Bush and forget about him. |
Tero 03.08.2005 08:25 |
Guy wrote:Why not? Wasn't the attempt to collapse one of the towers in 1993 the first bombing? :/FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: - the first WTC bombing happened while Clinton was in officeI'm not so sure about that... |
Guy 03.08.2005 08:42 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Ah, that bombing. I somehow forgot about it. Thanks.Guy wrote:Ramzi Yousef who was the mastermind and carried the WTC bombing in January 1993 was captured in Febraury 1995. Now where is Osama Bin Laden. Perhaps we should listen to Bush and forget about him.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: - the first WTC bombing happened while Clinton was in officeI'm not so sure about that... And about Bin Laden, he's in some cave. |
Erin 03.08.2005 10:06 |
Fenderek wrote: He's one of the erasons why America is being hated all over the world... What? You diddn't know almost 75% of the world hates America? Wake up...!I knew...:-( That's why I hope a lot of people around the world have looked at this website: link |
Mr.Jingles 03.08.2005 10:23 |
Guy wrote:...thanking Dubya for ignoring him, and putting all the blame on Saddam.Mr.Jingles wrote:Ah, that bombing. I somehow forgot about it. Thanks. And about Bin Laden, he's in some cave.Guy wrote:Ramzi Yousef who was the mastermind and carried the WTC bombing in January 1993 was captured in Febraury 1995. Now where is Osama Bin Laden. Perhaps we should listen to Bush and forget about him.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: - the first WTC bombing happened while Clinton was in officeI'm not so sure about that... |
flash00. 03.08.2005 11:09 |
Alex Solan<br><font size=1>Japan soon bastards! wrote:i agree!! ban razors!!! thats what i say :)pma wrote: I like a good Bush, I hate it when they shave it. [/predictable][/old]... but always effective xD Predictable... hmm... like FGT, Guy, Miss James, Rip Van Winkle, geeks.. etc etc etc etc etc...? Is that the right word? Yes! :D |
D@VID 03.08.2005 11:37 |
Blieve it or not people with degrees can also be stupid.Some of the dopiest people I have met have been well schooled.It comes down to something called commen sense.This can't be taught. A good book to read about Bush's failings on 9/11 is David Ray Griffin's book A NEW PEARL HARBOUR.Fascinating stuff. Also check out link |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 03.08.2005 12:12 |
D@VID wrote: Blieve it or not people with degrees can also be stupid.Some of the dopiest people I have met have been well schooled.It comes down to something called commen sense.This can't be taught.Does it really come down to "comMEN sense"? Does this mean that women can't have it? ;) |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 03.08.2005 12:26 |
The Mir@cle wrote: Of course there were some incidents with Clinton in office, but he was able the think rational after it happened.And that's why terrorism disappeared under Clinton's term in office. Yep. Bush reacted like a cowboy, gettin his troops ready to conquer the world.And what do you think he should have done? And what's the result beside a lot of deaths??Let's see - democratic government in Afghanistan - democratic government in Iraq - Libya gave up its nuclear weapons program - election overturned in Ukraine Well, Sadam (the man that wasn't a real danger for the USA... In fact he wasn't even able to defend his contry for a few days) is arrested and Iraq is one big mess right now.Aww, poor defenseless Saddam. I really cry every night for him. Hmmm and you would have preferred he keep raping 13-year-olds? As long as they're his country's own 13-year-olds of course! No Americans are worth sparing for the lives and well-being for those Ay-rabs! FreddiesGhettoTrench, open your eyes.. That silly president of your country doesn't make a lot of friends.Yep, so he should have sat on his ass and given head to the terrorists? The most Europeans hate him, so does the rest of the world.And we care... why? He's arrogant, he thinks he can tell the rest of the world what to do. I can't stand him.Well, mark my words! You can't stand him! We'll have to get rid of him, then! Well, you seem to be a real fan...Ceiling. Ever watched in the mirror and realised that you may miss one chromosome??#1 - You don't "watch" in the mirror, you "look" in the mirror. #2 - You can't see your chromosomes in the mirror. #3 - There are no disorders that come from missing a chromosome. However, there *is* a disorder that comes from having three copies of a specific chormosome - chromosome 21. This disorder is Down's Syndrome, and if this is what you are referring to, your insult is in very bad taste and I am sure those who suffer from this disorder would not enjoy you using it as an insult. |
yamamamia 03.08.2005 13:23 |
Getting a blowjob in office, and lying about it to the American public is one thing. Sending hundreds of thousands of troops to the middle east and going around the fact that there were no WMD's, but telling the Americans there was, is another ( Downing St. papers anyone? ). By the way did a blowjob kill 1800+ American troops. The toll is rising, and so is the bill to America. He needs to pull out the tampon and grow some balls, nuke the fucks, and get out. I just love paying $3.00 a gallon for gas don't you? |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 03.08.2005 13:32 |
yamamamia wrote: By the way did a blowjob kill 1800+ American troops.Nope, but it killed a shitload of innocent Serbian civilians when Clinton put us in Kosovo for very little reason (mainly to detract media attention from his scandal). The toll is rising, and so is the bill to America. He needs to pull out the tampon and grow some balls, nuke the fucks, and get out. I just love paying $3.00 a gallon for gas don't you?So in other words, Iraqi civilians are worth less than your gas? If you don't like paying $3.00 a gallon for gas, why don't you get rid of your car? |
Guy 03.08.2005 17:19 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: #1 - You don't "watch" in the mirror, you "look" in the mirror.Don't ever do that. English is not everyone's native language. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 03.08.2005 17:36 |
Guy wrote:Wasn't saying it to be mean. I was pointing it out. They're the one whose entire post was meant to discredit my intelligence. Why don't you admonish THEM?FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: #1 - You don't "watch" in the mirror, you "look" in the mirror.Don't ever do that. English is not everyone's native language. |
Guy 03.08.2005 17:45 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:Because everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, it's wrong to try and mock someone's knowledge of the language.Guy wrote:Wasn't saying it to be mean. I was pointing it out. They're the one whose entire post was meant to discredit my intelligence. Why don't you admonish THEM?FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: #1 - You don't "watch" in the mirror, you "look" in the mirror.Don't ever do that. English is not everyone's native language. Anyhow, I supported you earlier because you stood up even though you knew you'd be attacked for it. So why are you so suprised, now that you're being attacked? I don't think the same as you do, but I respect the fact you have a different point of view. If you believe someone is trying to discredit your intelligence rather than trying to make a point, ignore him/her. Laughing at someone's grammar or spelling only creates disrespect, while I'm sure you aim for gaining the opposite. |
Mr.Jingles 03.08.2005 18:55 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: So in other words, Iraqi civilians are worth less than your gas? If you don't like paying $3.00 a gallon for gas, why don't you get rid of your car?I don't know. Ask Cheney and the executives of Halliburton how much is oil worth compared to human lives (either Iraqi civilians or American soldiers). It doesn't matter, human lives are not worth shit when you work for Halliburton. |
Maruga 03.08.2005 22:07 |
Gecko wrote: AL BUNDY for predidentHell yeah!!! I support you. From Chile. |
Tero 04.08.2005 01:13 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Let's see - democratic government in AfghanistanDemocratic government in Kabul, while the local warlords are running the rest of the country just as badly as the taliban regime... Plus they've taken up on opium cultivation again. I'm sure there are thousands of heroin addicts who are grateful for Bush getting them cheaper drugs. ;) - democratic government in IraqWhat a wonderful development Iraq has had in the past few years. Before the US occupation you were in danger of being jailed or even tortured if you happened to dislike Saddam Hussein. Now you have an equal chance if being randomly killed no matter who you support. :) For the past decade, after the UN actually started to pay attention to the country, there was no mass murders. In fact Iraq has been just about as nice a place to live as any of those other undemocratic countries around the world. All the mass murders and wars with chemical weapons in 80's and early 90's happened under western support/supervision. - Libya gave up its nuclear weapons programYes, right after the international sanctions were removed. Even USA realised that there was more to gain financially than morally, once Libya started to move away from it's horrble socialist system... But we don't really expect anyone to care about the continuing human rights violations in Libya as long as we get their money, do we? The Libyan government has more conncetions to international terrorism and WMD's than Saddam, but the difference between these countries is that somebody other than the USA was reaping the major financial benefits from Iraq. - election overturned in UkraineI might have a really lousy memory, but I can't seem to remember the US having any part in these elections... |
The Mir@cle 04.08.2005 02:51 |
Thanx Tero... couldn't have said it better :) |
The Mir@cle 04.08.2005 02:59 |
Guy wrote:It's ok Guy... What I said wasn't nice either. And at the same time she learned me that I looked in the mirror this morning ;-)FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: #1 - You don't "watch" in the mirror, you "look" in the mirror.Don't ever do that. English is not everyone's native language. |
The Mir@cle 04.08.2005 03:59 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Nope, but it killed a shitload of innocent Serbian civilians when Clinton put us in Kosovo for very little reason (mainly to detract media attention from his scandal).For very little reason?? Sorry?? I don't think you realise that Slobodan Milosevic was just as mad as Adolf Hitler. He gave the orders to kill all the men in Srebrenica... |
@ndy38 04.08.2005 04:25 |
The Mir@cle wrote:The Mir@cle is correct, my brother was at Milosevic's trial at the E.U court of justice a few months ago, and Milosevic didn't even show one bit of remorse for his actions, in fact quite the opposite. So yes, Milosevic is an evil mad man, and there wasn't 'very little reason' for Clinton to get involved.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Nope, but it killed a shitload of innocent Serbian civilians when Clinton put us in Kosovo for <b>very little</b> reason (mainly to detract media attention from his scandal).For very little reason?? Sorry?? I don't think you realise that Slobodan Milosevic was just as mad as Adolf Hitler. He gave the orders to kill all the men in Srebrenica... |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 04.08.2005 07:31 |
<font color=black>andylamb_38 wrote:And Saddam Hussein shows remorse for HIS actions? So in other words, it's okay to overthrow a dictator if you're a Democrat, but not if you're a Republican?The Mir@cle wrote:The Mir@cle is correct, my brother was at Milosevic's trial at the E.U court of justice a few months ago, and Milosevic didn't even show one bit of remorse for his actions, in fact quite the opposite. So yes, Milosevic is an evil mad man, and there wasn't 'very little reason' for Clinton to get involved.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Nope, but it killed a shitload of innocent Serbian civilians when Clinton put us in Kosovo for <b>very little</b> reason (mainly to detract media attention from his scandal).For very little reason?? Sorry?? I don't think you realise that Slobodan Milosevic was just as mad as Adolf Hitler. He gave the orders to kill all the men in Srebrenica... Also, FYI - Clinton did not overthrow Milosevic, instead he simply wanted Milosevic to let Kosovo become its own country. Milosevic was overthrown AFTER the Kosovo War. |
@ndy38 04.08.2005 08:45 |
And Saddam Hussein shows remorse for HIS actions? So in other words, it's okay to overthrow a dictator if you're a Democrat, but not if you're a Republican?I never said that, all i'm saying is that Clinton did have good reason to get involved in the Kosovo fiasco. |
The Mir@cle 04.08.2005 08:55 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: And Saddam Hussein shows remorse for HIS actions? So in other words, it's okay to overthrow a dictator if you're a Democrat, but not if you're a Republican?It's okay to overthrow a dictator if you have the intention to help the people, instead of doing it for other (selfish) reasons. Do you really think Bush invaded Iraq to help the Iraqi people?? |
Guy 04.08.2005 08:59 |
The Mir@cle wrote:Does it matter? As I wrote in another topic, there are 4,200 less innocent deaths a month in Iraq right now. Nowadays it's 800 a month, while it was 5,000 a month when Saddam was in power.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: And Saddam Hussein shows remorse for HIS actions? So in other words, it's okay to overthrow a dictator if you're a Democrat, but not if you're a Republican?It's okay to overthrow a dictator if you have the intention to help the people, instead of doing it for other (selfish) reasons. Do you really think Bush invaded Iraq to help the Iraqi people?? Bush's motives are irrelevant, the consequences are relevant. It's just like you shouldn't care why someone murdered his wife, the fact she's dead is what matters. Like it or not, the situation in Iraq as far as deaths are concerned is better right now. |
Guy 04.08.2005 09:00 |
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The Mir@cle 04.08.2005 10:10 |
Guy wrote: Does it matter? As I wrote in another topic, there are 4,200 less innocent deaths a month in Iraq right now. Nowadays it's 800 a month, while it was 5,000 a month when Saddam was in power. Bush's motives are irrelevant, the consequences are relevant. It's just like you shouldn't care why someone murdered his wife, the fact she's dead is what matters. Like it or not, the situation in Iraq as far as deaths are concerned is better right now.Of course... Sadam was/is a monster. Some Iraqi political parties estimate more than 1 million were executed in 23 years time. And I hope they get rid of the terrorists in Iraq, so they have the chance to build a democracy there. Though it's gonna be very hard with all the different kinds of people there. It's just the arrogance of Mr. Bush that most foreigners (even non-muslims like me) find offensive. He doesn't need the opinions of others, he thinks he can invade a country based on lies he gave to the American people and he treats Europe as the "Lap Dog" of United States.... Clinton is a far more "social intelligent" person than Cowboy Bush is. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 04.08.2005 10:16 |
The Mir@cle wrote:Oh yeah, and Clinton really helped the people of Serbia. He dropped a bunch of bombs and accomplished NOTHING. He didn't overthrow Milosevic, all he did was try to make Kosovo independent.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: And Saddam Hussein shows remorse for HIS actions? So in other words, it's okay to overthrow a dictator if you're a Democrat, but not if you're a Republican?It's okay to overthrow a dictator if you have the intention to help the people, instead of doing it for other (selfish) reasons. Do you really think Bush invaded Iraq to help the Iraqi people?? |
The Mir@cle 04.08.2005 10:54 |
Would the Serbian people have overthrown Milosevic without the sanctions?? Don’t think so. |
Guy 04.08.2005 12:19 |
The Mir@cle wrote:What's your point exactly? Would you rather have 5,000 innocent deaths a month rather than 800? Because that's what would have happened if America hadn't gotten Saddam out of power.Guy wrote: Does it matter? As I wrote in another topic, there are 4,200 less innocent deaths a month in Iraq right now. Nowadays it's 800 a month, while it was 5,000 a month when Saddam was in power. Bush's motives are irrelevant, the consequences are relevant. It's just like you shouldn't care why someone murdered his wife, the fact she's dead is what matters. Like it or not, the situation in Iraq as far as deaths are concerned is better right now.Of course... Sadam was/is a monster. Some Iraqi political parties estimate more than 1 million were executed in 23 years time. And I hope they get rid of the terrorists in Iraq, so they have the chance to build a democracy there. Though it's gonna be very hard with all the different kinds of people there. It's just the arrogance of Mr. Bush that most foreigners (even non-muslims like me) find offensive. He doesn't need the opinions of others, he thinks he can invade a country based on lies he gave to the American people and he treats Europe as the "Lap Dog" of United States.... Clinton is a far more "social intelligent" person than Cowboy Bush is. |
The Real Wizard 04.08.2005 13:17 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Not to mention the number of people that voted because the southern Baptist church said they'll go to hell if they don't. But let's not make this a discussion of willpower vs. control by the church. I have family members in Pennsylvania who vote for Bush just because he's republican. This is the mentality of at least 1/4 of the United States. It's not about "democratically voting him in". It's not a democratic vote when a percentage of the voters don't even know the name of the other candidate(s).Guy wrote:Well politics is kinda like music, image plays a huge role whether you like it or not, so in many cases integrity, intelligence and wisdom have to be put aside. Afterall, anyone over 18 is allowed to vote regardless of their educational background. There's just too many idiots who absolutely no knowledge of politics whatsoever, and they just vote for one or the other becase "he kinda seems like a better person". Oh, and don't get me started with those who are 100% sure of who they're voting for before the debates when they don't know what their candidates really stand for.Mr.Jingles wrote:You can say whatever you want, he was still elected democratically.yamamamia wrote: Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him now???Wouldn't make a difference my friend. Bush is a puppet, and even Bush supporters know that. Behind him there's a group of EVIL men pulling the strings. Rove, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, and Cheney knew that they couldn't run for president because their image doesn't sell, so they called a somewhat charming village idiot to become candidate. Bush is indeed the Ashlee Simpson of politics. Dan Corson wrote: There are no politicians I support.Even George Galloway? Here are some things you can check out: link link And this video: link He's quite possibly the last real politician we've got. |
The Real Wizard 04.08.2005 13:50 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: - democratic government in IraqEven though tonnes of Iraqi people are quoted saying it's worse now than it was before, I guess that doesn't matter... Oh yes, the self-centred American patriotic mentality of "as long as we're okay, then screw everyone else and what they think."The most Europeans hate him, so does the rest of the world.And we care... why? |
Guy 04.08.2005 14:00 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:If every country in the world had to listen to what every other country in the world had to say, we wouldn't get anywhere.Oh yes, the self-centred American patriotic mentality of "as long as we're okay, then screw everyone else and what they think."The most Europeans hate him, so does the rest of the world.And we care... why? |
The Real Wizard 04.08.2005 15:22 |
Guy wrote: If every country in the world had to listen to what every other country in the world had to say, we wouldn't get anywhere.100% disagree. If every country listened to every other country, then we would at least have a world where everyone understood the worldview of everyone else. Everyone would build tolerance and understanding of differences. There would be much less war, because we wouldn't attack people for "being different" than us. And there certainly wouldn't be bigotry in the masses towards other countries, because our politicians would be the ones telling us to be accepting of others, even though we don't agree with or understand the culture, mentality, and history of some countries and their people. |
Mr.Jingles 04.08.2005 15:34 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:I totally agree with Bob here.Guy wrote: If every country in the world had to listen to what every other country in the world had to say, we wouldn't get anywhere.100% disagree. If every country listened to every other country, then we would at least have a world where everyone understood the worldview of everyone else. Everyone would build tolerance and understanding of differences. There would be much less war, because we wouldn't attack people for "being different" than us. And there certainly wouldn't be bigotry in the masses towards other countries, because our politicians would be the ones telling us to be accepting of others, even though we don't agree with or understand the culture, mentality, and history of some countries and their people. Fixing what's wrong is not achieved by destroying and the re-building again, and that seems to be the Bush administration's mentality. Why else do you think they would send a right wing extremist bully like John Bolton to become the United States representative on the United Nations when Bolton has publicly said that he completely despised the United Nations and the U.S. should be the one an only nation leading the way when it comes to international affairs. It's obvious that the United Nations need to be fix a certain number of bereaucratic flaws, but you can't fix it by sending the worst thing since Joseph McCarthy. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 04.08.2005 15:36 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:So... let's see... during World War II everyone should have just stood around "understanding the worldview" of Hitler?Guy wrote: If every country in the world had to listen to what every other country in the world had to say, we wouldn't get anywhere.100% disagree. If every country listened to every other country, then we would at least have a world where everyone understood the worldview of everyone else. Everyone would build tolerance and understanding of differences. There would be much less war, because we wouldn't attack people for "being different" than us. And there certainly wouldn't be bigotry in the masses towards other countries, because our politicians would be the ones telling us to be accepting of others, even though we don't agree with or understand the culture, mentality, and history of some countries and their people. That would have REALLY helped. |
The Real Wizard 04.08.2005 15:41 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: So... let's see... during World War II everyone should have just stood around "understanding the worldview" of Hitler? That would have REALLY helped.Typical fucking conservative. Ignoring ALL possible positives of someone's comment, and picking out the one possible exception that is entirely negative, hoping to make them feel like their suggestion is pointless in all cases. There is no talking with you. You are pathetic. You suck. You and people like you are the reason why there is intolerance, lack of open dialogue, and war in this world. |
Saint Jiub 04.08.2005 15:48 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:There is no talking with you. You are pathetic. You suck. You and people like you are the reason why there is intolerance, lack of open dialogue, and war in this world.Cute and ironic statement, sir. |
The Real Wizard 04.08.2005 16:14 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote:Ironic how? I initiated the dialogue, and she chose to ignore all positive elements of it and turn the tables completely. This is not a case of the paradox of being intolerant of someone else's intolerance. I could not even enter dialogue with her to get to that point, because she refused to speak about the subject at hand. It is a very typical and almost clever way for someone to avoid discussing something where they know they cannot offer a valid and related comment.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: There is no talking with you. You are pathetic. You suck. You and people like you are the reason why there is intolerance, lack of open dialogue, and war in this world.Cute and ironic statement, sir. |
Mr.Jingles 04.08.2005 16:15 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:What you don't seem to understand is that the reason why Bush invaded Iraq wasn't "liberating Iraq" as you and the rest of the conservatives put it. It was all about the WMDs and the Al-Qaeda links, neither of one existed in the first place. So after finding NOTHING in Iraq, the Bush administration had no other choice but to pull out the "freedom" flag and make the United States the "heros who liberated Iraq". What makes me sick of the stomach about right and left wing extremists is that they claim to be "freedom fighters" when all they do is opress people to the extreme. Can't tell which one is worse. Both are the scum of humanity.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:So... let's see... during World War II everyone should have just stood around "understanding the worldview" of Hitler? That would have REALLY helped.Guy wrote: If every country in the world had to listen to what every other country in the world had to say, we wouldn't get anywhere.100% disagree. If every country listened to every other country, then we would at least have a world where everyone understood the worldview of everyone else. Everyone would build tolerance and understanding of differences. There would be much less war, because we wouldn't attack people for "being different" than us. And there certainly wouldn't be bigotry in the masses towards other countries, because our politicians would be the ones telling us to be accepting of others, even though we don't agree with or understand the culture, mentality, and history of some countries and their people. Oh, and btw mind me if I ask once again what is Halliburton doing in Iraq? |
Saint Jiub 04.08.2005 17:21 |
Sir - Please tell me how your personal attacks help foster "open dialogue" (as you so eloquently put it). Why did you not respond to FGT's Hitler comparison? Why is ok to depose barbaric European dictators, but not ok to depose 3rd world barbaric dictators? Who is doing the vast majority of killing in Iraq and Afghanistan NOW? AlQaeda, Bathists and the Taliban - All brutal thugs. But yet, the terrorist's actions are 100% Bush's fault. |
Guy 04.08.2005 17:35 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:We have different points of view, obviously. As much as I'd like to have world peace, it's just not going to happen. One word springs to mind... Utopy.Guy wrote: If every country in the world had to listen to what every other country in the world had to say, we wouldn't get anywhere.100% disagree. If every country listened to every other country, then we would at least have a world where everyone understood the worldview of everyone else. Everyone would build tolerance and understanding of differences. There would be much less war, because we wouldn't attack people for "being different" than us. And there certainly wouldn't be bigotry in the masses towards other countries, because our politicians would be the ones telling us to be accepting of others, even though we don't agree with or understand the culture, mentality, and history of some countries and their people. Besides, what is a country supposed to do when 2 countries suggest opposite things? Take Iran and the States for example. Their views regarding Muslim terror are clearly not the same... Right? People misinterpret religion and do deadly things. I bet anyone other than Bob is wondering what the hell I'm talking about. Well, it always comes down to religion. As somebody previously said, religion doesn't fuck people up, people fuck religion up. Almost every single conflict in the world is somehow related to religion... Why? I honestly don't know, but it's been that way for centuries, and it's very likely not to change any time soon. A very recent example? link |
geeksandgeeks 04.08.2005 20:16 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Actually, I think the reason for that is either that we continue to allow men (who, let's face it, have a much bigger fascination with guns, weapons, power, and beating each other up than women, even from birth) to rule most of the world, or that NO ONE will listen to anyone else. He was trying to make a point. She was trying to make a point. Whenever someone makes a valid point on here, everyone starts spitting at them.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: So... let's see... during World War II everyone should have just stood around "understanding the worldview" of Hitler? That would have REALLY helped.Typical fucking conservative. Ignoring ALL possible positives of someone's comment, and picking out the one possible exception that is entirely negative, hoping to make them feel like their suggestion is pointless in all cases. There is no talking with you. You are pathetic. You suck. You and people like you are the reason why there is intolerance, lack of open dialogue, and war in this world. Sir GH, I'm not entirely sure why you reacted so violently to that - in a debate, which is what some of us are trying to have, the POINT is to shoot holes in what the other person says, not to have as loud projectile-vomiting contest where we trade "you suck"s. I think I know the answer to this question, but is there any possibility at all that we could try and talk about this reasonably, with a little less spewing of venom? God, we have more reasonable discussions than this on the IMDb horror movie fan boards, and half of the folks on there are under thirteen. That said - I can't stand Bush, and I think the war in Iraq, regardless of his motive, was depraved and wrong. I thought the same thing about Clinton's various bombing campaigns in Iraq and Kosovo, because I believe that all war and violence is wrong. So don't go saying I'm a conservative or an apologist for the conservatives, because then my only recourse will be to laugh my ass off. |
The Real Wizard 05.08.2005 02:23 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: Sir - Please tell me how your personal attacks help foster "open dialogue" (as you so eloquently put it).I was expressing frustration at the fact that I was not able to enter the dialogue in the first place, because she changed the subject as she did. If she was not willing to enter the dialogue at all, then how could I be at fault for merely reacting to that? I stand by the things I said. You can't possibly think that people who try their best to understand the worldviews of those different than them are the perpetrators of major conflicts, can you? If you're in your right mind, then the answer should be no. People who do not work like that are political dictators who kill people needlessly, religious fanatics who judge people endlessly, and any others who think it is their worldview that should be the optimal one for everyone. Why did you not respond to FGT's Hitler comparison?You're asking me why I didn't respond to her question, yet you're not asking her why she failed to respond to what I initially said. Nice show of equality there. Nonetheless, I'll do my part and answer. Of course Hitler is a grave exception to the idea I've suggested, but I was just speaking of an ideal. Of course my suggestion isn't entirely practical, because there are far too many countries led by either dictators or religion that wouldn't allow such open dialogue and understanding to happen. But that doesn't mean it can't be possible on a smaller scale with those who are willing to give it a try. In fact, most of those who are able to do it are doing it. Not on the list: United States Of America. Guy wrote: We have different points of view, obviously. As much as I'd like to have world peace, it's just not going to happen. One word springs to mind... Utopy.Utopia is an ideal, not a practical plan. However, we can slowly move in that direction, one person at a time. One person who tries their best to understand another person whose worldview is different than theirs has helped humanity move one small step closer to that ideal Utopia. Tolerance has nothing to do with condoning or agreeing. Far too many people in this world do not understand that simple difference. |
The Mir@cle 05.08.2005 02:48 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:You're so right Bob... If you don't even try to understand others, you're not gonna bring peace to this world. We have to live with each other instead of destroying each other. And the only possibility to realise that is to respect each other.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: So... let's see... during World War II everyone should have just stood around "understanding the worldview" of Hitler? That would have REALLY helped.Typical fucking conservative. Ignoring ALL possible positives of someone's comment, and picking out the one possible exception that is entirely negative, hoping to make them feel like their suggestion is pointless in all cases. There is no talking with you. You are pathetic. You suck. You and people like you are the reason why there is intolerance, lack of open dialogue, and war in this world. The Hitler argument doesn't makes any sense at all... |
Guy 05.08.2005 03:07 |
The Mir@cle wrote: You're so right Bob... If you don't even try to understand others, you're not gonna bring peace to this world. We have to live with each other instead of destroying each other. And the only possibility to realise that is to respect each other.I respect anyone I meet, until he (or she) proves he's not worthy of my respect. Respect me, and I'll respect you. It doesn't work any other way. Face it, there are plenty of assholes in this world and we can't be nice to everyone all the time, because these assholes don't deserve our respect. |
The Mir@cle 05.08.2005 03:21 |
I have to agree with you this time Guy. I wouldn't mind if Bush is gonna kick the ass of the leaders of Iran... They deserve it. There's no way to respect such people. But you can't just ignore people because they have a different way of life or different opinions. |
Guy 05.08.2005 03:59 |
The Mir@cle wrote: But you can't just ignore people because they have a different way of life or different opinions.I never said that... I'm right-wing but I have family members friends who are left-wing. Hell, my girlfriend doesn't give a damn about politics. There are some extreme examples of people I would never be friends with, such as neo-nazis or people who support terror, but that's about it. I don't push anyone away from me merely because they don't think the same as I do - that's stupidity. |
The Mir@cle 05.08.2005 04:04 |
I wasn't pointing at you Guy!! I meant it in general. |
Guy 05.08.2005 07:30 |
The Mir@cle wrote: I wasn't pointing at you Guy!! I meant it in general.Okay then :) |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 05.08.2005 08:02 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Oh, yeah... I'M intolerant.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: So... let's see... during World War II everyone should have just stood around "understanding the worldview" of Hitler? That would have REALLY helped.Typical fucking conservative. Ignoring ALL possible positives of someone's comment, and picking out the one possible exception that is entirely negative, hoping to make them feel like their suggestion is pointless in all cases. There is no talking with you. You are pathetic. You suck. You and people like you are the reason why there is intolerance, lack of open dialogue, and war in this world. Yet "typical conservative". "People like you" Now if you were to put any other group of people - homosexual, African-American, Hispanic, etc. after "typical", that would be obvious prejudice. But it's fine for you to say "typical conservative", and then say I'M intolerant? Sure. |
Guy 05.08.2005 08:08 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:Don't take it personally... Bob doesn't like conservatism, it's nothing against you :)Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Oh, yeah... I'M intolerant. Yet "typical conservative". "People like you" Now if you were to put any other group of people - homosexual, African-American, Hispanic, etc. after "typical", that would be obvious prejudice. But it's fine for you to say "typical conservative", and then say I'M intolerant? Sure.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: So... let's see... during World War II everyone should have just stood around "understanding the worldview" of Hitler? That would have REALLY helped.Typical fucking conservative. Ignoring ALL possible positives of someone's comment, and picking out the one possible exception that is entirely negative, hoping to make them feel like their suggestion is pointless in all cases. There is no talking with you. You are pathetic. You suck. You and people like you are the reason why there is intolerance, lack of open dialogue, and war in this world. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 05.08.2005 08:13 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Rip Van Winkle wrote: Of course Hitler is a grave exception to the idea I've suggested, but I was just speaking of an ideal.Actually, he's not. You suggested that Bush would do better to enter into a dialogue with people before he insists on declaring war on them. The problem with this idea is that, generally, the people that *can* be reasoned with are not the people that we end up declaring war on. We have dialogues. We just can't have dialogues with lunatic dictators. For instance, if we have a problem with France, we go tell France. "France, you're being an asshole." France goes, "Oh, okay, let's discuss it. By the way, we think YOU'RE being an asshole." We don't go, "Bomb Paris!" Whereas, with someone like Saddam, if we go, "Saddam, you're an asshole," he goes, "Come and stop me from being an asshole." So we did. It's like, if you are in a hostage negotiation with a guy who is an illegal alien who is afraid of being deported. You can go, "Okay, let's talk about this. We can discuss the programs you can go through, just put down the hostage and we can talk." However, if you're in a hostage situation with a guy who enjoys killing, who, when you go, "Just put down the hostage" he shoots one of the hostages in the head and laughs about it and is about to go after another one, what do you do? You shoot the guy.But that doesn't mean it can't be possible on a smaller scale with those who are willing to give it a try. In fact, most of those who are able to do it are doing it. Not on the list: United States Of America.How does the USA not try to have dialogues? Unless you count a dialogue as ignoring Iraq's rights abuses as the U.N. did. |
Mr.Jingles 05.08.2005 08:30 |
The Mir@cle wrote: I have to agree with you this time Guy. I wouldn't mind if Bush is gonna kick the ass of the leaders of Iran... They deserve it. There's no way to respect such people.If someone is going to bring ruthless leaders and dictators into justice, then let it be someone who actually has integrity, which is something that Bush lacks. If there was any justice in the world, then Osama Bin Laden, George W. Bush, Saddam Hussein, Ariel Sharon, Kim Jong Il, Al-Zarqawi, Ali Khamenei, Tony Blair, and all those sick bastards would be sharing the same prison cell. They're all fuckin' extremist cowards who don't have the balls to fight the wars they started. |
FreddiesGhettoTrench 05.08.2005 08:54 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:What has Ariel Sharon done that is so wrong? And Blair?The Mir@cle wrote: I have to agree with you this time Guy. I wouldn't mind if Bush is gonna kick the ass of the leaders of Iran... They deserve it. There's no way to respect such people.If someone is going to bring ruthless leaders and dictators into justice, then let it be someone who actually has integrity, which is something that Bush lacks. If there was any justice in the world, then Osama Bin Laden, George W. Bush, Saddam Hussein, Ariel Sharon, Kim Jong Il, Al-Zarqawi, Ali Khamenei, Tony Blair, and all those sick bastards would be sharing the same prison cell. They're all fuckin' extremist cowards who don't have the balls to fight the wars they started. And, okay, why don't we send Bush off to fight in the war! They'll be no one in charge! |
Mr.Jingles 05.08.2005 09:00 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:They've all been responsible for the death of thousands of innocents in a another form of terrorism with a much nicer name called "retaliation". Which in many cases doesn't actually affect the terrorists themselves, but instead gives them more motives to keep comitting terrorists acts, as well as motivating people who have lost loved to become terrorists.Mr.Jingles wrote:What has Ariel Sharon done that is so wrong? And Blair? And, okay, why don't we send Bush off to fight in the war! They'll be no one in charge!The Mir@cle wrote: I have to agree with you this time Guy. I wouldn't mind if Bush is gonna kick the ass of the leaders of Iran... They deserve it. There's no way to respect such people.If someone is going to bring ruthless leaders and dictators into justice, then let it be someone who actually has integrity, which is something that Bush lacks. If there was any justice in the world, then Osama Bin Laden, George W. Bush, Saddam Hussein, Ariel Sharon, Kim Jong Il, Al-Zarqawi, Ali Khamenei, Tony Blair, and all those sick bastards would be sharing the same prison cell. They're all fuckin' extremist cowards who don't have the balls to fight the wars they started. |
Mr.Jingles 05.08.2005 09:02 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: What has Ariel Sharon done that is so wrong? And Blair? And, okay, why don't we send Bush off to fight in the war! They'll be no one in charge!They've all been responsible for the death of thousands of innocents in a another form of terrorism with a much nicer name called "retaliation". Which in many cases doesn't actually affect the terrorists themselves, but instead gives them more motives to keep comitting terrorists acts, as well as motivating people who have lost loved to become terrorists. Trust me, having NO ONE IN CHARGE is far better than having Bush IN CHARGE. |
Guy 05.08.2005 09:12 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Roosevelt, the greatest American president ever, was responsible for deaths of innocents. Truman, the president who ended WWII by using the nuclear bomb, was responsible for deaths of innocents. Churchill, arguably the best prime minister Britain ever had, was responsible for deaths of innocents.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: What has Ariel Sharon done that is so wrong? And Blair? And, okay, why don't we send Bush off to fight in the war! They'll be no one in charge!They've all been responsible for the death of thousands of innocents in a another form of terrorism with a much nicer name called "retaliation". Which in many cases doesn't actually affect the terrorists themselves, but instead gives them more motives to keep comitting terrorists acts, as well as motivating people who have lost loved to become terrorists. Trust me, having NO ONE IN CHARGE is far better than having Bush IN CHARGE. Your definition of the word 'responsible' would bring each of the above to the electric chair, or, if you're forgiving, to imprisonment. |
The Mir@cle 05.08.2005 09:19 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Trust me, having NO ONE IN CHARGE is far better than having Bush IN CHARGE.I don't think she's ever gonna realise that Mr.Jingles. This world is heading straight into a big disaster, and it's everybody's fault but his. |
@ndy38 05.08.2005 09:30 |
Why can't everyone in this world just get along, and treat one another with respect? I know it's a stupid question but it's soooooo frustrating!!! |
Erin 05.08.2005 09:33 |
<font color=black>andylamb_38 wrote: Why can't everyone in this world just get along, and treat one another with respect? I know it's a stupid question but it's soooooo frustrating!!!I hear ya, brotha.. |
Mr.Jingles 05.08.2005 09:49 |
Guy wrote:As far as I'm concerned Roosevelt and Churchill sent their troops to battle the Axis right on the battlefield. Of course there's the strong possibility that there would be some innocent lives lost on the crossfire, but for the most part they clearly aimed at military targets. On the other hand, the Russian Army showed no mercy when taking over Berlin in April 1945. Soldiers would shoot at anyone they felt like it, as well as rape some of the women. Now, when it comes to Truman I don't know what to think of him. He brought an end to WWII on the expense of more than 100.000 innocent lives, not including those whose bodies were deformed by radiation. I can't blame Truman completely, but I think for the most part it was Hirohito's fault for not surrendering on time.Mr.Jingles wrote:Roosevelt, the greatest American president ever, was responsible for deaths of innocents. Truman, the president who ended WWII by using the nuclear bomb, was responsible for deaths of innocents. Churchill, arguably the best prime minister Britain ever had, was responsible for deaths of innocents. Your definition of the word 'responsible' would bring each of the above to the electric chair, or, if you're forgiving, to imprisonment.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: What has Ariel Sharon done that is so wrong? And Blair? And, okay, why don't we send Bush off to fight in the war! They'll be no one in charge!They've all been responsible for the death of thousands of innocents in a another form of terrorism with a much nicer name called "retaliation". Which in many cases doesn't actually affect the terrorists themselves, but instead gives them more motives to keep comitting terrorists acts, as well as motivating people who have lost loved to become terrorists. Trust me, having NO ONE IN CHARGE is far better than having Bush IN CHARGE. Once against, my stand is for the loss of innocent lives. I know that accidents can happen on the crossfire, but for the most part I believe that this 'War On Terrorism' is only breeding MORE TERRORISM. Do you think orphans who have lost their loved ones on air bombings are just going to let their feelings go? I'm not justifying by any means that they end up joining a terrorist cell, but what nobody can deny is that it's very likely that they will. |
Guy 05.08.2005 10:36 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Saddam Hussein was not as harmless as people make him. The man murdered millions of innocent people, including his own son (which probably wasn't innocent, but nevermind that). The man invaded Kuwait. The man fired scuds in 1991 at a country (Israel) which never attacked him or his country (besides destroying his nuclear reactors), aiming at civilian population. Information on what the scuds contained was lacking, and there was fear they might contain deadly chemichals or gas. Iraq certainly had that ability.Guy wrote:As far as I'm concerned Roosevelt and Churchill sent their troops to battle the Axis right on the battlefield. Of course there's the strong possibility that there would be some innocent lives lost on the crossfire, but for the most part they clearly aimed at military targets. On the other hand, the Russian Army showed no mercy when taking over Berlin in April 1945. Soldiers would shoot at anyone they felt like it, as well as rape some of the women. Now, when it comes to Truman I don't know what to think of him. He brought an end to WWII on the expense of more than 100.000 innocent lives, not including those whose bodies were deformed by radiation. I can't blame Truman completely, but I think for the most part it was Hirohito's fault for not surrendering on time. Once against, my stand is for the loss of innocent lives. I know that accidents can happen on the crossfire, but for the most part I believe that this 'War On Terrorism' is only breeding MORE TERRORISM. Do you think orphans who have lost their loved ones on air bombings are just going to let their feelings go? I'm not justifying by any means that they end up joining a terrorist cell, but what nobody can deny is that it's very likely that they will.Mr.Jingles wrote:Roosevelt, the greatest American president ever, was responsible for deaths of innocents. Truman, the president who ended WWII by using the nuclear bomb, was responsible for deaths of innocents. Churchill, arguably the best prime minister Britain ever had, was responsible for deaths of innocents. Your definition of the word 'responsible' would bring each of the above to the electric chair, or, if you're forgiving, to imprisonment.FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: What has Ariel Sharon done that is so wrong? And Blair? And, okay, why don't we send Bush off to fight in the war! They'll be no one in charge!They've all been responsible for the death of thousands of innocents in a another form of terrorism with a much nicer name called "retaliation". Which in many cases doesn't actually affect the terrorists themselves, but instead gives them more motives to keep comitting terrorists acts, as well as motivating people who have lost loved to become terrorists. Trust me, having NO ONE IN CHARGE is far better than having Bush IN CHARGE. Now let's go back to WWII, okay? Roosevelt wanted to join the war but he didn't have the American people's support. The congress forbade him to sell weapons and ammunition to Britain, so he helped the British secretly and claimed he wasn't selling - he was renting. My point in saying that is that the president was obviously right, only he did not have the support he needed. Until Pearl Harbor, that is. People all over the world thought the war would never get to them as long as they did not interfere. Most of the west, including Russia, allowed Hitler to conquer territories such as those of the Czech Republic. No one stopped him, which allowed the holocaust to take place. The United States did not take an active part in the fight against Muslim terror until September 11th. This was their Pearl Harbor, the point after which they would finally understand we were in the middle of a third world war, only this time it's much more difficult to win. Saddam's invasio |
Mr.Jingles 05.08.2005 11:06 |
Guy wrote: Maybe there weren't weapons of mass destruction. It doesn't matter. Iraq, Iran & Syria contribute so much to the instability of the middle east that they each, in their time, must be taken care of....and the United States and Israel don't? C'mon, let's be real for once. They ALL have their share of blame. They're all idiots who think that war is the only solution. When it comes to foreign affairs, what the United States and Israel need are people like Jimmy Carter and Yitzak Rabin who pushed things forward for diplomatic talks instead of waging war against anything or anyone who doesn't agree with them. I know leaders in Iran are hard to deal with, but Bush and Sharon follow that same path. Once again, you can't fight TERRORISM with more TERRORISM! If you're willing to enlist for an invasion to another country, then it's obvious that you have a vengeful mentality, and that's why the world so fucked up. I was recently reading the story of Kim Phuc Phan Thi, the Vietnamese girl who was pictured running naked after her home was destroyed by a napalm bomb in 1972. She could have well grown to become an anti-American militia leader or a terrorist, but instead she chose to work for those who just like her were victims of war, and was willing to forgive those who destroyed her home and left her on the verge of death. People like Kim Phuc Phan Thi are the kind that we need in this world, instead of people who let themselves be taken over by revenge and hatred in order to allow war to prevail. link |
The Real Wizard 05.08.2005 12:25 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Now if you were to put any other group of people - homosexual, African-American, Hispanic, etc. after "typical", that would be obvious prejudice. But it's fine for you to say "typical conservative", and then say I'M intolerant?There you go again, turning around and attacking the person and not the problem; namely the issue I first wanted to discuss. I was not being prejudicial. You cannot compare ethnic origin and sexual orientation to a choice in political stances. The former two you are born with, whereas political stances are a choice. That just shows your level of intelligence, or perhaps desperation, by attempting to put those on the same page. That argument totally does not fly with me. You initially chose to purposely change the subject to the polar extreme as a way of diverting focus. That is a (subconscious?) conversation tactic of many conservatives that they think works, but it doesn't. And don't come back saying I'm turning this into a partisan battle, because I'm not. I am stating facts. I couldn't think of one liberal who wouldn't be happy to openly entertain the positive ideas and hopes that lie within open dialogue and tolerance. Whether or not it is practical in all cases was not the focus. Either reply to the subject at hand, or please don't waste any more time in this topic. This is a place to discuss things, not to turn tables and destroy people's thoughts and ideas with extreme examples. I was being positive. You chose to be negative. That is the point I am making. So if you can't help out in this discussion, then this is the last thing I'll say to you on the matter. So, who's going swimming today? I am! |
Mr.Jingles 05.08.2005 13:08 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: So, who's going swimming today? I am!Ahhhhh yeaahh!!! I'm gonna have to go to my girlfriend's house, because I don't have a pool. |
Guy 05.08.2005 16:26 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Israel is currently working on executing the disengagement plan. If you call evacuating conquered-during-war territories terrorism, you seriously need help. THAT's a step towards peace.Guy wrote: Maybe there weren't weapons of mass destruction. It doesn't matter. Iraq, Iran & Syria contribute so much to the instability of the middle east that they each, in their time, must be taken care of....and the United States and Israel don't? C'mon, let's be real for once. They ALL have their share of blame. They're all idiots who think that war is the only solution. When it comes to foreign affairs, what the United States and Israel need are people like Jimmy Carter and Yitzak Rabin who pushed things forward for diplomatic talks instead of waging war against anything or anyone who doesn't agree with them. I know leaders in Iran are hard to deal with, but Bush and Sharon follow that same path. Once again, you can't fight TERRORISM with more TERRORISM! If you're willing to enlist for an invasion to another country, then it's obvious that you have a vengeful mentality, and that's why the world so fucked up. I was recently reading the story of Kim Phuc Phan Thi, the Vietnamese girl who was pictured running naked after her home was destroyed by a napalm bomb in 1972. She could have well grown to become an anti-American militia leader or a terrorist, but instead she chose to work for those who just like her were victims of war, and was willing to forgive those who destroyed her home and left her on the verge of death. People like Kim Phuc Phan Thi are the kind that we need in this world, instead of people who let themselves be taken over by revenge and hatred in order to allow war to prevail. link Rabin made the biggest mistake in Israel's existence, and that's signing the Oslo accords. Do you have any idea how much power those accords gave the Palestinian authority, under Arafat's leadership, who supported terrorists in every possible way (including police officers shooting civilians)? The accords were not a step forward, they were a step backwards. 99% of the Israelis believe they were a huge mistake, and guess what? A new prime minister from the opposite party was elected right after his death. Oh, and since you love Rabin so much, maybe you'd be delighted to know he said "We'll break their bones!" in the first intifada... Yeah, he was talking about the Palestinians. From Wikipedia: "Another possible contributor to the high initial casualties was Yitzhak Rabin's aggressive stance towards the Palestinians (notably including an exhortation to the IDF to "break the bones" of the demonstrators). His successor Moshe Arens subsequently proved to have a better understanding of pacification, which perhaps reflects in the lower casualty rates for the following years." And before you even ask... Of course I'm not glad he was murdered. I just think he's appreciated way too much. |